Originally Posted by audiofan1
Originally Posted by krabapple
Those who cite quantum effects for macro phenomena, are usually wrong.
Models are always provisional. More data can always be gathered. New data might overturn the old model. Until then it doesn't mean we completely discount the data that HAVE been gathered.
No science ever claimed it could not possibly sink under any circumstance.
pray tell, when was it ever declared completely won?
what we have are new official categories; the celestial body formerly called planet Pluto still exists.
Yes. Do you?
Btw you left out 'bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly' in your cavalcade of pseudo-skeptical gotchas.
Your answers work against you as well , and to so easily dismiss Quantum effects shows a lack belief in your science which is the very leg you and the rest base your assumptions that there is no difference!
Ok smart guys prove it!
I think you may be confusing understanding the scale of quantum effects and applying that to audio, with dismissing quantum effects. It is most likely that quantum effects will first affect audio when we start using them to perform enhanced signal processing.
Quantification seems to be one of the first places where bad audio science derails. I'm not saying that applying what we know about quantification is always easy. However, we do know that any audio signal that is 100 dB or more down is rarely if ever part of the listening pleasure equation for home audio.
And so you get my point on the Titanic they said it wouldn't sink which is Hubris!
You don't seem to understand who said that the Titanic couldn't sink. Hint: it wasn't the best naval architects of the day. The design, materials, and construction techniques were guaranteed to fail given the best science of the day. The high proportion of passenger deaths was entirely predictable if you knew enough science to count lifeboat seats and passengers. Quantification rules!
Its to bad you can't trust your own brain and ears and think every one that actually hears a difference has got to be suffering from some Pseudo effect , but are you sure its not just you?
It is not a matter of not ever trusting the brains and ears. It is a matter of knowing when to trust them, when not to trust them, and knowing how to make them more trustworthy. You seem to be advocating placing unbounded trust in your ears and brain. Nothing in the physical world deserves unbounded faith. I'm surprised that you criticize people for not having unbounded faith.