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Poll Results: Have You Heard Exotic Audio Cables Improve Sound Quality?

 
  • 8% (45)
    Yes, and it was a big improvement
  • 10% (56)
    Yes, but it was only a slight improvement
  • 54% (284)
    No, I did not hear any improvement
  • 25% (132)
    I don't have enough experience to say
517 Total Votes  
post #421 of 645

THis is very nice looking but sincerely it is the same as buying a neckless for your significant other eek.gif Except I ma not sure she would wear it wink.gif

 

http://www.crystalcable.com/#products

 

or this

 

 odin_supreme_reference_speaker_cable_33_34_550.jpg

 
Odin Supreme Reference Speaker Cable with Bi-Wire terminations
post #422 of 645

Using twenty-four conductors made of 99.99999% oxygen free copper with an extruded layer of silver, these cables promise uncompromising sound. The conductors are constructed using a “Precision Dual Micro Mono-Filament” design. I’m not sure what that means, but it certainly sounds awesome. The conductors are arranged in four groups of six conductors for maximum flexibility.

Nordost WHITELIGHT Glass Fiber Optic Cables – about $33,000

World's most expensive audio cable - Nordost WHITELIGHT

Audiophiles have been using fiber optic cables for awhile now, but they’ve always been an expensive option. Toshiba’s TOSLINK connectors (generically known as EIAJ optical) have been in use since the early 80s. The advantage of optical cable is that the optical fibers—strands of clear plastic or quartz glass used to transmit the signal—are not susceptible to the electromagnetic interference that plagues ordinary cables. It’s not surprising, then, that the most expensive audio cable in the world is a fiber optic cable.

Nordost, a company known for their scientific approach to audio/visual cabling, produces the WHITELIGHT fiber optic cable. Made for two-or-more channel audio systems, this expensive cable uses heavily polished, high quality glass fiber with three layers of low loss insulation and an internal damping mechanism to deliver the best possible sound. Each end is capped with a composite TOSLINK connector with precision-polished lenses.

Siltech Emperor Crown – over $40,000

Most Expensive Audio Cables - Siltech Emperor Crown

Siltech utilizes both silver and gold metallurgy in the construction of their Signature series of audio cables. Their twenty years of research in the field have allowed them to claim the lowest measured distortion of any brand of audio cable. They do so by reducing the microscopic cracks (crystalline boundaries) in the silver and filling the remaining ones with gold. The Emperor Crown, part of the Signature series, has the distinction of being the most expensive audio cable on the market.

Coat Hanger – Under a buck

Most Expensive Audio Cables - Coat Hanger

The world’s most expensive audio cables may sound nice, but do they actually sound better? According tothis rather humorous story, a simple wire coat hanger produces sound that is virtually indistinguishable from that produced by audio cables sold by Monster, another brand known for their relatively expensive consumer cables. Perhaps you should think twice before emptying your wallet for a pair of speaker cables.

post #423 of 645
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Using twenty-four conductors made of 99.99999% oxygen free copper with an extruded layer of silver, these cables promise uncompromising sound. The conductors are constructed using a “Precision Dual Micro Mono-Filament” design. I’m not sure what that means, but it certainly sounds awesome. The conductors are arranged in four groups of six conductors for maximum flexibility.



Nordost WHITELIGHT Glass Fiber Optic Cables – about $33,000



World's most expensive audio cable - Nordost WHITELIGHT



Audiophiles have been using fiber optic cables for awhile now, but they’ve always been an expensive option. Toshiba’s TOSLINK connectors (generically known as EIAJ optical) have been in use since the early 80s. The advantage of optical cable is that the optical fibers—strands of clear plastic or quartz glass used to transmit the signal—are not susceptible to the electromagnetic interference that plagues ordinary cables. It’s not surprising, then, that the most expensive audio cable in the world is a fiber optic cable.



Nordost, a company known for their scientific approach to audio/visual cabling, produces the WHITELIGHT fiber optic cable. Made for two-or-more channel audio systems, this expensive cable uses heavily polished, high quality glass fiber with three layers of low loss insulation and an internal damping mechanism to deliver the best possible sound. Each end is capped with a composite TOSLINK connector with precision-polished lenses.



Siltech Emperor Crown – over $40,000



Most Expensive Audio Cables - Siltech Emperor Crown



Siltech utilizes both silver and gold metallurgy in the construction of their Signature series of audio cables. Their twenty years of research in the field have allowed them to claim the lowest measured distortion of any brand of audio cable. They do so by reducing the microscopic cracks (crystalline boundaries) in the silver and filling the remaining ones with gold. The Emperor Crown, part of the Signature series, has the distinction of being the most expensive audio cable on the market.



Coat Hanger – Under a buck



Most Expensive Audio Cables - Coat Hanger



The world’s most expensive audio cables may sound nice, but do they actually sound better? According tothis rather humorous story
, a simple wire coat hanger produces sound that is virtually indistinguishable from that produced by audio cables sold by Monster, another brand known for their relatively expensive consumer cables. Perhaps you should think twice before emptying your wallet for a pair of speaker cables.



Ok smart guy lets see you put all this hard work of yours to action and put a wire hanger between your Classe and B&W's rolleyes.gif I'll wait rolleyes.gif, Oh that's right your using Kimber there eek.gif

Don't worry I won't tell the cable police your cables cost more than $100 dollars biggrin.gif
post #424 of 645
Do people really buy this stuff for performance that may or may not be there or to have it in the systems to show there friends when they stop by, bet few do because that type turns into a one dimensional boor with only one thing to talk about, themselves!!!! I keep it all in the wall so there is little or nothing to be seen, and I have used Monster rope lay cable because it is easy to work with. Got it in 100 foot reals and that does not coast much more then the same 2/14 gage that I have bought from Monoprice.com. The Monoprices cable is a little stiffer and I think it is because the strands of wire in the Monster are a smaller gage. As for the coat hanger, it would, but in the long run coast more then Monster or Monoprice, and 14-2 romax
would also work but that stuff is also to stiff. I have another thought, is the fancy stuff CU rated and have UL listing?
post #425 of 645
It truly is a shame that so much false science and mysticism is infused into the marketing of modern audiophile equipment. For equipment to sound good it seems they must cost dearly and be made from exotic materials, be over engineered and machined to NASSA tolerances.
post #426 of 645
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Originally Posted by Phil17108 View Post

Do people really buy this stuff for performance that may or may not be there or to have it in the systems to show there friends when they stop by, bet few do because that type turns into a one dimensional boor with only one thing to talk about, themselves!!!! I keep it all in the wall so there is little or nothing to be seen, and I have used Monster rope lay cable because it is easy to work with. Got it in 100 foot reals and that does not coast much more then the same 2/14 gage that I have bought from Monoprice.com. The Monoprices cable is a little stiffer and I think it is because the strands of wire in the Monster are a smaller gage. As for the coat hanger, it would, but in the long run coast more then Monster or Monoprice, and 14-2 romax
would also work but that stuff is also to stiff. I have another thought, is the fancy stuff CU rated and have UL listing?

I buy it for performance and it doesn't have to cost a lot, and if it doesn't float my boat I send it back. I would go as far as saying it's really a matter of performance for the large majority of Audiophiles, I 'm not a music lover for anyone but myself, its my thing and my hobby. I really don't see what the problem is on what one may consider a better cable ! Is it price or construction ? or mostly claims of what its supposed to do. In the end as I stated above it either sounds good or doesn't and yes sometimes that means you have to send a little more, but as with all things sometimes you have to pay to play wink.gif
post #427 of 645
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Originally Posted by remilton View Post

It truly is a shame that so much false science and mysticism is infused into the marketing of modern audiophile equipment. For equipment to sound good it seems they must cost dearly and be made from exotic materials, be over engineered and machined to NASSA tolerances.

No need to feel sorry ! and it doesn't always sound good ! but when it does it does. The equipment should sound good in the first place if you have chosen well for your taste, as for the wires that go in between the various components that connect them, what if they are given the same degree of careful selection that the manufacture of a particular piece of gear gave when he or she carefully selected the various parts and wires to get his desired result , to achieve a desired sound. My question is Why wouldn't you do the same when the choice of wires is yours ! or do you simply say it doesn't matter, all the work has been done for me rolleyes.gif

This is why I buy the Aftermarket cables I have and its not for show wink.gif
post #428 of 645
A sucker with money is still a sucker.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Audio_woo
post #429 of 645
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Originally Posted by ratloko View Post

A sucker with money is still a sucker.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Audio_woo

Meh! you can lead a horse to water..... rolleyes.gif
post #430 of 645
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Ok smart guy lets see you put all this hard work of yours to action and put a wire hanger between your Classe and B&W's rolleyes.gif I'll wait rolleyes.gif, Oh that's right your using Kimber there eek.gif Don't worry I won't tell the cable police your cables cost more than $100 dollars biggrin.gif

Yes and the only reason I bought these Kimber cables in the first place is because I bought 2 x 30 feet biwire 8TC KIMBER for $90 so the price per foot was $1.5 per foot smile.gifsmile.gif and that was several years ago smile.gif

My mogami cables are a bit more expensive, thank you
post #431 of 645
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

No need to feel sorry ! and it doesn't always sound good ! but when it does it does. The equipment should sound good in the first place if you have chosen well for your taste, as for the wires that go in between the various components that connect them, what if they are given the same degree of careful selection that the manufacture of a particular piece of gear gave when he or she carefully selected the various parts and wires to get his desired result , to achieve a desired sound. My question is Why wouldn't you do the same when the choice of wires is yours ! or do you simply say it doesn't matter, all the work has been done for me rolleyes.gif

This is why I buy the Aftermarket cables I have and its not for show wink.gif

Yes, your cables make a convincing difference for you by the same principle that Power Balance hologram bracelets "work" for others to, "improve balance, flexibility and strength as well as contributing to an overall sense of well being" .
post #432 of 645
in my experience speakercable can make a difference but it all depends on you electronics and your speakers, and the difference will never be all that obvious and a speakercable definitely cannot make your system better then it really is, it can only make it sound the way it is supposed to sound.

they need to be impedance matched, (this is in effect what those big boxes on those expensive MIT cables do, it enables you to change the inherent impedance to suit your speaker and electronices, designed for brainless 'audiophiles' with too much money and too little of a brain to find out wich impedance suits their system...), and depending on how long your cables are u need to keep in mind the gauge.

furthemore in my experience there is a small tonal difference between pure copper and pure silver wires, where in my experience pure copper has a warmer midrange with bit less defined bass whereas pure silver is a tad cooler with better defined bass. these are very very veeey subtle differences and definitely will not make or break your system...

i myself would recommend trying good silver wires or good copper wires, make sure they suit your system and be done with it, i woud never spent more then a few hundred bucks one good silver wires though...

just my two cents
post #433 of 645
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Originally Posted by denkiedenk View Post


furthemore in my experience there is a small tonal difference between pure copper and pure silver wires, where in my experience pure copper has a warmer midrange with bit less defined bass whereas pure silver is a tad cooler with better defined bass. these are very very veeey subtle differences and definitely will not make or break your system...

i myself would recommend trying good silver wires or good copper wires, make sure they suit your system and be done with it, i woud never spent more then a few hundred bucks one good silver wires though...

just my two cents

Your experience with silver matches mine -- I was running it with a tube preamp/amp system and frankly didn't notice the cooling per se, but the mid and especially the bass became present. Remarkable listening experience.
post #434 of 645
The only difference between silver and copper is about 6% in resistivity. Any perceived tonal differences because of that are solely in the imagination of the listener.
post #435 of 645
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View PostThe only difference between silver and copper is about 6% in resistivity. Any perceived tonal differences because of that are solely in the imagination of the listener.

Silver cables look so nice :)

 

http://www.homegrownaudio.com/solid-core-braided-speaker-wire-16-wires-24-gauge-pure-silver/

 

Pricy but nice looking :)

post #436 of 645
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

The only difference between silver and copper is about 6% in resistivity. Any perceived tonal differences because of that are solely in the imagination of the listener.

Interesting how the two camps persist.

Way back in the day I pinched my pennies to upgrade from a Marantz 1030 integrated amp to a bright shiny Kenwood. The Marantz had average specs for the day, but the Kenwood -- latest design, THD two orders of magnitude better, S/N ratio blew the Marantz out of the water. A better machine by every published number. When the Kenwood arrived mail order from Dixie HiFi I couldn't believe my good fortune. It was a masterpiece of brushed aluminum, big volume knob, lots of switches and adjustments -- a wonder to behold. And I already had the specs --

Then I hooked it up. Gone was the embracing midrange, the subtle nuances of the violins and I had to deal with a collapse of the orchestral soundstage. It sounded dry, lifeless. Totally unsatisfying.

Undaunted I fiddled with the myriad knobs (most lacking on the Marantz), boosted the midrange, toyed with speaker placement.

Then the dark truth became unavoidable -- better specs do not make better sound. I had wasted my treasure on a shiny beast with excellent numbers and no soul, and I hated it.

From that day on I quit looking a spec sheets. I shop by taking a sheath of my favorite albums and sitting and listening and am better for it.

This argument reminds me of my profession, medicine. I've worked with fellow docs who when faced with patients who are racked with fever, shocky, in every measure septic -- if the cultures
come back negative they will not give antibiotic. Crazy isn't it? And some of these are bright docs - double board certified, Cleveland Clinic trained. But they deny what they can see, hear and feel
in favor of a test that when the autopsy report hits the chart turns out to be tragically wrong. I don't let these guys take care of any of my patients and certainly not my family. At least the ones I like.

A9X-308, try using 'perception' instead of 'imagination' and I'll agree with you. My advice (you didn't ask for it so I wouldn't expect you to take it) is to be less jaded and listen. Leave the spec sheets in the box where they belong. If you can't hear a difference, don't buy it. Like those of us who appreciate fine wine, don't think less of those who can taste the difference between a $5 cab and a $500 dollar one. It is easy to pronounce them equal by stating that they both are 750ml and 12% alcohol. Any room for nuance and perception there? I don't suppose so, at least to some.

The bright side is that it leaves more for me. Cheers!
post #437 of 645
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes and the only reason I bought these Kimber cables in the first place is because I bought 2 x 30 feet biwire 8TC KIMBER for $90 so the price per foot was $1.5 per foot smile.gifsmile.gif and that was several years ago smile.gif

My mogami cables are a bit more expensive, thank you

Nice try tongue.gif
post #438 of 645
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

Yes, your cables make a convincing difference for you by the same principle that Power Balance hologram bracelets "work" for others to, "improve balance, flexibility and strength as well as contributing to an overall sense of well being" .

Sure it does rolleyes.gif I use other things for well being like pixy dust and afternoon rides on unicorns biggrin.gif Get your ears checked if you honestly can't hear a difference good or bad between cables and I mean that from the heart wink.gif
post #439 of 645
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

The only difference between silver and copper is about 6% in resistivity. Any perceived tonal differences because of that are solely in the imagination of the listener.

You do listen for a hobby ? or do you view your music through an oscilloscope or other measuring device, you guys are definitely worth a good laugh.
post #440 of 645
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Originally Posted by Friendly Fire View Post

Interesting how the two camps persist.

Way back in the day I pinched my pennies to upgrade from a Marantz 1030 integrated amp to a bright shiny Kenwood. The Marantz had average specs for the day, but the Kenwood -- latest design, THD two orders of magnitude better, S/N ratio blew the Marantz out of the water. A better machine by every published number. When the Kenwood arrived mail order from Dixie HiFi I couldn't believe my good fortune. It was a masterpiece of brushed aluminum, big volume knob, lots of switches and adjustments -- a wonder to behold. And I already had the specs --

Then I hooked it up. Gone was the embracing midrange, the subtle nuances of the violins and I had to deal with a collapse of the orchestral soundstage. It sounded dry, lifeless. Totally unsatisfying.

Undaunted I fiddled with the myriad knobs (most lacking on the Marantz), boosted the midrange, toyed with speaker placement.

Then the dark truth became unavoidable -- better specs do not make better sound. I had wasted my treasure on a shiny beast with excellent numbers and no soul, and I hated it.

From that day on I quit looking a spec sheets. I shop by taking a sheath of my favorite albums and sitting and listening and am better for it.

This argument reminds me of my profession, medicine. I've worked with fellow docs who when faced with patients who are racked with fever, shocky, in every measure septic -- if the cultures
come back negative they will not give antibiotic. Crazy isn't it? And some of these are bright docs - double board certified, Cleveland Clinic trained. But they deny what they can see, hear and feel
in favor of a test that when the autopsy report hits the chart turns out to be tragically wrong. I don't let these guys take care of any of my patients and certainly not my family. At least the ones I like.

A9X-308, try using 'perception' instead of 'imagination' and I'll agree with you. My advice (you didn't ask for it so I wouldn't expect you to take it) is to be less jaded and listen. Leave the spec sheets in the box where they belong. If you can't hear a difference, don't buy it. Like those of us who appreciate fine wine, don't think less of those who can taste the difference between a $5 cab and a $500 dollar one. It is easy to pronounce them equal by stating that they both are 750ml and 12% alcohol. Any room for nuance and perception there? I don't suppose so, at least to some.

The bright side is that it leaves more for me. Cheers!

Nice! but to bad you need to prescribe a stronger dose for this bunch ! they've got a bad case of I just read the paper from so and so and therefore I don't need to investigate this matter for myself itis, we may need to quarantine biggrin.gif
post #441 of 645
It is a very moderate and acceptable opinion. Very cool. I should like to go further. listening to my cables in very different audio system I found the cables determinate the sound character of the systems. Even the USB cables can improve a lot on the sound quality .
http://www.avx.hu/forum/index.php?/topic/42133-power-r-kabelek/
post #442 of 645
well up till now it would've been a hard pill to swallow for me on the digital domain, but a few days ago a friend of mine recommende playing my digital files from a usb stick in stead of directly of my hard disk drive. I thought yeah right whatever....

it almost regrets me to inform u that there is an obvious difference... i'm not too sure what i like best yet... but it's different... dammit

running Jriver in wasapi event style to my dac via hdmi.

further more on MY sytem playing MY favourite records i can definitely spot the difference between all copper wiring or all silver wiring, however i can no longer spot the difference when i mix, eg copper interconnects and silver speakerwire vs silver interconnects and copper speakerwires, that becomes rather hard in my opinion and i up till now still cannot recommend what's best of these two setups...

Maybe it has something to do with me being a classical trained pianist, where my teacher used to slap my fingers with a ruler when my tone was off, i was playing alread for about 5 years before i got that teacher, i didn't have a clue what he was talking about, he teached me the difference between the different tones and colors of one note, it took me a while to understand, let alone master, now i can't help but hearing it... he opened pandora's gate for me as an audio enthusiast...

furthermore i know of people here reviewing gear on house and techno music.... ofcours the only thing that matters then is if the highs are crisp and the bass is deep without being boomy, and then there's the crowd that like boomy bass...biggrin.gif.... ofcourse they are not gonna spot any subtle differences in what a cable might bring....

i listnen a lot to live music, acoustic piano pieces etc...
Edited by denkiedenk - 6/19/13 at 3:58am
post #443 of 645
Man this is really all to funny.
What Im seeing.....

1. You spent $$$ to make your cable look good. Fair enough, bling for your hobby.

2. You spent $$$ on your cable because you think it sounds better. Wrong, its really an excuse to justify your mistake.
3. You spent $$$ on your cable because your convinced it sounds better. Wrong, you believe in magic science. You dont know what a plesebo is.
4. Your pro expensive cable because thats your business and you need some quick bucks.
5. Its cost more so it must be better. Wrong, your dont know any better.
6. Your pro expensive cable because you like to wind people up.
7. Your pro expensive cable because your convnced you can hear a difference. Nope, Its all in the mind.
8. You spent $$$ on your cable because you have so much money you dont give a toss.
post #444 of 645
Hey, better sound does not follow the money. Listen first, make a choice, if the price is agreeable go for it, if not listen some more until you find something pleasing to the ear and the wallet. If a lamp cord from the landfill is all you can afford, that is ok. Each according to his ability.
post #445 of 645
we are not talking about exoctic cables here man, and all i'm saying is there is a difference between run of the mill silver wire of copper wire, these wires run about 100 -200 bucks per meter.

yes i agree on the absurdity of 20,000 -40,000 dollars per m cable, because those calbes will sound just as good as good silver or good copper, as long as gauge and resistance are taken into account.

further more my isp is willing to install here a fiberoptic cable for about 600 bucks with a 300 bucks a month internet connection at speeds of 1 Gb/s up and down. Now i have no experience with fiberoptic speakercables like nordost walhalla or whatever, buts when my isp installs miles and miles of fiberoptic cable just for me, then spending more then 200 bucks on a few meters of fiberoptic speakercable would be just a big scam.

Now relax, try it your yourself , and enjoy.
post #446 of 645
$40k per meter ought to buy platinum buss bars.
post #447 of 645
I've been working in audio professionally all my life. It's common to hear anomalies that can be traced to a cable -- but it's always something mechanical, or with use of a cable that doesn't meet the electrical requirements of the application.

If two cables are mechanically sound, designed to spec, and can properly carry the signal, they will both have the same effect on audio quality. If you hear a difference, one of the cables is defective.

(Sometimes defects are disguised as "features" in boutique cables. Be careful out there!)
post #448 of 645
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Originally Posted by ELECTRONICeng View Post

Man this is really all to funny.
What Im seeing.....

...

3. You spent $$$ on your cable because your convinced it sounds better. Wrong, you believe in magic science. You dont know what a plesebo is.

...
You're right. apparently no dictionary on the internet seems to either.
A Foot Ball Team?
CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 85
post #449 of 645
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

You're right. apparently no dictionary on the internet seems to either.
A Foot Ball Team?
CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 85

good name for a team Make Believes

You spent $$$ on your cable because your convinced it sounds better. Wrong, you believe in magic science. You dont know what a plesebo is.
just missed one letter

"Researchers use placebos during studies to help them understand what effect a new drug or some other treatment might have on a particular condition."
And audio experts use them to make believe. The Make Believers. Sounds like a name for an animation movie or a long cartoon.
post #450 of 645
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Originally Posted by Phil17108 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

You're right. apparently no dictionary on the internet seems to either.
A Foot Ball Team?
CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 85

good name for a team Make Believes

You spent $$$ on your cable because your convinced it sounds better. Wrong, you believe in magic science. You dont know what a plesebo is.
just missed one letter

"Researchers use placebos during studies to help them understand what effect a new drug or some other treatment might have on a particular condition."
And audio experts use them to make believe. The Make Believers. Sounds like a name for an animation movie or a long cartoon.
Which letter? The 'A' or the 'C'? wink.gif
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