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post #271 of 381
3/17/13 at 9:41am
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Wow! Three major releases (Tuesday) in today's Wal-Mart ad for under $20. All three are even combo's.
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post #272 of 381
3/17/13 at 10:08am
I don't know why people don't look at wal Mart more often. They usually have the better prices.
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post #273 of 381
3/17/13 at 10:08am
I don't know why people don't look at wal Mart more often. They usually have the better prices.
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post #274 of 381
3/17/13 at 10:09am
No idea why it did a double post.
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post #275 of 381
3/17/13 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

It isn't bias little buddy. Fact. HD-DVD holds nothing compared to Blu Ray. Hence. It died as quick as it came. It isn't a debate.

First off, I'm not your little buddy. Second off, anyone who makes the statement "It would have had better success if it was available like 7 years before Blu-ray" and still thinks that Blu-ray would have succeeded just shows off their own intellect level. I would suggest doing a double-blind test between the two systems before opening your mouth. And comparing the two formats because of their advertising, are you serious, what does that have to do with the quality of the media. When judging the quality of the media, all that matters is the video and audio aspect, and in this matter they were both comparable. You can swear the sky is yellow and the sun is blue, but that's still not going to make it true. But hey, JukeBox360 says it's fact, so it must be true.
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post #276 of 381
3/17/13 at 12:21pm
Folks there is one thing fairly certain, keep up the Blu-ray vs HD DVD and this thread will get locked.

IMO, HD DVD is a dead format so there is really no need for it in the Blu-ray section. If you still have and use HD DVD that is your prerogative and there is nothing wrong with that. I still have and use on occasion my D-VHS D-Theater.
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post #277 of 381
3/17/13 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Folks there is one thing fairly certain, keep up the Blu-ray vs HD DVD and this thread will get locked.

IMO, HD DVD is a dead format so there is really no need for it in the Blu-ray section. If you still have and use HD DVD that is your prerogative and there is nothing wrong with that. I still have and use on occasion my D-VHS D-Theater.
Fully agree. Which was kinda part of my point. But I don't want this thread locked so I shall move on.

As for blu ray prices. IMO they aren't expensive at all. The only thing I find that's overpriced are 3D blu rays. Shouldn't cost anymore then a normal blu ray title.
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post #278 of 381
3/17/13 at 12:27pm
I don't think Blu-rays are too expensive. There's a lot of price variation though. Popular new releases like Skyfall are street priced very reasonable and in line with what DVD was back in 2004. The main difference is that it's a much better value because you get not only the Blu-ray but the DVD and UV/DC. I can't see why anyone would complain it's too high. Also catalog movies from major studios are on the whole very reasonably priced and there are lots of bargains too. Again, no reason to complain about that either

Less popular new releases, both new movies and theatrical catalog can be pricey though, and may in fact be a little too high.
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post #279 of 381
3/17/13 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 go_quote.gif

Check out the HD DVD forum, lot of people are reporting Warner HD DVDs not playing back properly.

Yep - Warner put out a slew of bad discs manufactured by cinram, according to various reports.
Fortunately Warner USA (in Burbank) has shown excellent customer support by replacing them with the same title on blu-ray.
I've taken advantage of this with a number of titles that were bad.
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post #280 of 381
3/17/13 at 3:24pm
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Yep - Warner put out a slew of bad discs manufactured by cinram, according to various reports.
Fortunately Warner USA (in Burbank) has shown excellent customer support by replacing them with the same title on blu-ray.
I've taken advantage of this with a number of titles that were bad.

Guess I'm lucky as all my Warner discs still play fine. But bad discs are found on any format. It happened with laserdisc, HD-DVD (altho I've never encountered one), and BD as well. In fact, there's a whole thread here regarding TOTAL RECALL in which it seems that the 5.1 audio is constantly dropping out. Only way to circumvent that is by using PCM. Except that Sony isn't bothering to fix them for exchange, AKAIK.
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post #281 of 381
3/17/13 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

In fact, there's a whole thread here regarding TOTAL RECALL in which it seems that the 5.1 audio is constantly dropping out.

That has nothing to do with the physical disc, that most likely is authoring errors rolleyes.gif
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post #282 of 381
3/17/13 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Blu-ray has been around for a long time now. I remember when they first came out the talk was that after the manufacturing equipment cost was re-couped the prices would drop quite a bit. Looking at the new releases coming out over the next few weeks they are still on sale for $22-$24 and retailing for $39. Now I'm all for making a reasonable profit but I think we're being ripped off. Many said this is exactly what would happen when blu-ray out muscled HDDVD. Good old Sony.

Agreed
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post #283 of 381
3/17/13 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

That has nothing to do with the physical disc, that most likely is authoring errors rolleyes.gif

At the least, poor quality control
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post #284 of 381
3/17/13 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

Guess I'm lucky as all my Warner discs still play fine. But bad discs are found on any format. It happened with laserdisc, HD-DVD (altho I've never encountered one), and BD as well. In fact, there's a whole thread here regarding TOTAL RECALL in which it seems that the 5.1 audio is constantly dropping out. Only way to circumvent that is by using PCM. Except that Sony isn't bothering to fix them for exchange, AKAIK.

In my experience - I would put Warner HD-DVDs in the same category as Columbia/Tristar laser discs in terms of reliability.
They both suffered from very poor quality from their subcontracted manufacturer that resulted in far higher than acceptable failures.
I've had some failures with DVD, but very few.
I have had consistently good results with blu-rays, so far.
My Total Recall blu-ray plays perfectly in my system - bitstreaming Dolby TrueHD from my Sony BDP-S1000es to my Yamaha RX-V3900 with no pauses, gaps, dropped audio, etc..
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post #285 of 381
3/17/13 at 9:49pm
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In my experience - I would put Warner HD-DVDs in the same category as Columbia/Tristar laser discs in terms of reliability.
They both suffered from very poor quality from their subcontracted manufacturer that resulted in far higher than acceptable failures.
I have had consistently good results with blu-rays, so far.
My Total Recall blu-ray plays perfectly in my system - bitstreaming Dolby TrueHD from my Sony BDP-S1000es to my Yamaha RX-V3900 with no pauses, gaps, dropped audio, etc..

Might be player-dependent, as laserdisc was. (I haven't seen the RECALL disc myself.) In the LD days, yeah we'd have those Sony discs go bad...colored specks via most players. But the HLD-X9 and XO played them flawlessly (even the most severe cases) that you'd never know there was a problem. Still, one would think that BDs ahould be functional on all players at this point in time.
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post #286 of 381
3/17/13 at 10:02pm
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Might be player-dependent, as laserdisc was. (I haven't seen the RECALL disc myself.) In the LD days, yeah we'd have those Sony discs go bad...colored specks via most players. But the HLD-X9 and XO played them flawlessly (even the most severe cases) that you'd never know there was a problem. Still, one would think that BDs ahould be functional on all players at this point in time.

Years ago, I took the laser rotted Greystoke LD I mentioned above to a local boutique high end AV shop who had a X9 LD player hooked up to one of their systems for demo purposes. Their X9 couldn't make any more sense out of my crappy LD than my own old top loading Sylvania VP7200 or my Pioneer CLD-D704 or Elite CLD-99 players.
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post #287 of 381
3/18/13 at 12:35am
I've had problems with rotted discs on my X9 as well, so they're definitely not a miracle cure.
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post #288 of 381
3/18/13 at 1:13am
Perhaps I should have elaborated...my X9 was able to play most rotted discs. But some (WILLOW for example) were so bad that even the X9 had difficulty. But when I needed a new laser pick-up, I had it replaced by an exceptional technician by the name of Kurtis Bahr. In addition to the pick-up, he added a few tweaks and when he was finished, my X9 handled WILLOW and every other rotted disc perfectly. And the PQ on all other LDs was improved as well. So good, that I never had the need to replace my LDs with DVDs. (Of course, it's a different story with Hi-Def.) His work did not just make the player "as good as new"...it was BETTER than new. He did indeed make the X9 a "miracle machine." So those players did have the capability to eliminate the rot problem, if worked on by an engineer with Mr. Bahr's skills. For anyone out there who still has an LD player, Mr Bahr (if he still does repairs and if parts are even still available) is the wizard to seek. Cannot praise his expertise highly enough.
Edited by cinema13 - 3/18/13 at 1:26am
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post #289 of 381
3/18/13 at 10:16am
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Perhaps I should have elaborated...my X9 was able to play most rotted discs. But some (WILLOW for example) were so bad that even the X9 had difficulty. But when I needed a new laser pick-up, I had it replaced by an exceptional technician by the name of Kurtis Bahr. In addition to the pick-up, he added a few tweaks and when he was finished, my X9 handled WILLOW and every other rotted disc perfectly. And the PQ on all other LDs was improved as well. So good, that I never had the need to replace my LDs with DVDs. (Of course, it's a different story with Hi-Def.) His work did not just make the player "as good as new"...it was BETTER than new. He did indeed make the X9 a "miracle machine." So those players did have the capability to eliminate the rot problem, if worked on by an engineer with Mr. Bahr's skills. For anyone out there who still has an LD player, Mr Bahr (if he still does repairs and if parts are even still available) is the wizard to seek. Cannot praise his expertise highly enough.

Yeah, Kurtis was a legend during the 90's - early 2000's Usenet days on the LD news group(s). By far the most hands-on knowledgeable guy regarding Laserdisc players I've even corresponded with.
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post #290 of 381
3/18/13 at 10:45am
It's kind of sad that LD faded away. I still remember some diehard belittling me once at a Suncoast because I was buying DVD. The fact is I had a player but the software was just too damn expensive and playback quality had a lot to do with player quality. DVD was just a better experience all the way around except for losing the great 2.0 PCM tracks. That's one thing that BD brought back to the table was the great audio quality.

Still had some good laughs at the expense of the LD zealots. There was a post once about that basically outlined a new LD format that was basically everything DVD was except it was on a 12" disc. The zealots were all over about how great it was that Pioneer was going to keep LD alive. It's like some of them were in love with size of the disc and the packaging.
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post #291 of 381
3/18/13 at 10:56am
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It's kind of sad that LD faded away. I still remember some diehard belittling me once at a Suncoast because I was buying DVD. The fact is I had a player but the software was just too damn expensive and playback quality had a lot to do with player quality. DVD was just a better experience all the way around except for losing the great 2.0 PCM tracks. That's one thing that BD brought back to the table was the great audio quality.

I also have the Criterion DVD of Chasing Amy that recycled Kevin Smith's LD commentary where he famously outs DVD. He was later forced to make an apology video on the intro of the DVD, it's always entertaining to watch. The douche didn't realize at the time LD would disappear and he would be making mega revenue off of disc sales for all of his films. tongue.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxyq1ztPib4
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post #292 of 381
3/18/13 at 11:51am
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There was a post once about that basically outlined a new LD format that was basically everything DVD was except it was on a 12" disc. The zealots were all over about how great it was that Pioneer was going to keep LD alive. It's like some of them were in love with size of the disc and the packaging.

I do wish they had kept the LD disc size and packaging for DVD eek.gif
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post #293 of 381
3/18/13 at 12:47pm
Does anyone here buy a normal DVD anymore?
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post #294 of 381
3/18/13 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Does anyone here buy a normal DVD anymore?

Never
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post #295 of 381
3/18/13 at 12:55pm
Even if its like $3? Or you can't find an HD version of that movie?
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post #296 of 381
3/18/13 at 1:06pm
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Even if its like $3? Or you can't find an HD version of that movie?

Yep. Although I shouldn't have said "never" Actually, the only time I buy a DVD is if it's as a gift for someone that doesn't have BD or HD. As for films that aren't released on BD, if I want to see them, I can either stream in HD via CinemaNow, Vudu, Netflix, or OnDemand... or wait until they appear on Showtime, for example, where even movies not released on BD will be shown OAR in HD. Standard 420p just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
Edited by cinema13 - 3/18/13 at 1:12pm
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post #297 of 381
3/18/13 at 1:09pm
I'm the same way for the most part. But sometimes I just can't find a movie in HD. Mainly older titles are header to find.

Speaking of which. Does anyone have Jurassic Park on blu ray? I'm curious on the job they did brining it to blu ray.
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post #298 of 381
3/18/13 at 1:11pm
Why are you constantly quoting yourself?
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post #299 of 381
3/18/13 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Why are you constantly quoting yourself?

Because I like the sound of my typing voice? Just a posting error. Anyway, I get to see many older films on HDNet Movies, Netflix, and sometimes Cinemax. Other channels such as EPIX also have older films on their schedules. All of these options offer more HD choices than a channel like TCM-HD which only presents upconverts. (The HDNet print of HIGH NOON, by the way, which I just saw a week or two back is exceptional in irs detail...stronger even than some contemporary flicks! And the PBS presentation of the digitally restored and remixed THE DOORS LIVE AT THE BOWL was a revelation as well). All of these viewing options mentioned here and previously offer me more HD movies (old, new, obscure, independent) than I could ever watch. At this point , when even silent films are being restored/released in HD, and things like The Little Rascals and The Three Stooges are even available in 3D BD (!), well, standard DVD is now just VHS to me
Edited by cinema13 - 3/18/13 at 1:29pm
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post #300 of 381
3/18/13 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Does anyone here buy a normal DVD anymore?
Mainly older music/concert/documentaries that haven't made their way to blu-ray or most likely never will.
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