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We shall.
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Sim.
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transliteration - ken
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Ok I'm lost ...lol
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I understand the answer, but I am not really sure I understand the question...
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To get back on the rails, here...Shell Shocker, today will have the Seagate on sale...
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Has anyone noticed that the new Segates have a 2400hour MTBF of 1%? That sonly 240K for total failure and even less than drives from 20 years ago. It used to be in the millions 5 or so years ago with the 250GB drives. So if you use the drive for 7 hours a day, you have 1 in 100 chances of the drive developing problems. This is why it took them so long to bring out 1TB platters and longer again to bring out desktop models. They know people using it as external storage are not going to be running it 24x7. The 666GB platters have a much higher MTBF and I think those have MTBF in the millions. I know the 333MB platters can last 18000 hours or so before problems develop. Another fun fact is the cost in places were seagate thinks people will return the drive for replacement if problems develop. So the cost of these drives are far cheaper in the US where no one bothers to return a 2 year old drive as the capacity would be 3 times higher by then and at last twice as fast. Or thats how it used to be. . Maybe segate is being taken over by maxtor. Maxtor drives used to be FAST but failed all the time. They also ran very hot. The 500MB 7200RPM drives were so hot you could not hold it in your hand. Most of my maxtor drives are failing or failed even if not used. But drives from others like IBM etc last for many decades. Even the seagate ones if you can ever get them to spin up. Just give it a good push to start it up.
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I am not sure what to say ^

1TB platters is the modern technological advancement and superior in both performance and energy consumption. And it's not just Seagate doing it (they just do it well and are popular due to low costs and high availability of 3TB and 4TB drives). Toshiba, WD and Hitachi are doing 1TB platters too. I don't believe there is any statistical difference worth worrying about in a general sense of one brand over another. I'd be likely to trust WD, Hitachi, or Toshiba just as much as I trust Seagate.

There is always going to be failures with some drives. 1 out of 100 isn't that crazy IMO.

I do know for sure that people are buying up the Seagate 3TB and 4TB drives multiples at a time and reporting back no issues. They have been selling very well for many months now and I am sure if there was serious rampant issues we would be hearing about it. I think it's unreasonable to think HDD will last forever or be super reliable. I just plan for the event they can fail- yet hope they never will. That way I am never disappointed.
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You don't consider 1 dead drive out of 100 high?
Well, everyone has different standards, but i do consider that pretty high.

What irks me the most with Seagate is the low number of operation hours (per year) they list, which comes down to about a work-week, 8 hours on 5 days.
I'm not sure how serious to take this, but if it wouldn't be important somehow, they wouldn't list it, i would think.
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I can see why this thread has got to be so long now. I signed up just to post that info. It is rather important and not well understood or discussed. Because well it was a non factor before. But it is getting rather more problematic now and it looks like if it was not a major problem, why did they drop 5 year warranty to 2? My 5 platter 1.5TB drive is still in warranty until 2015 while my 3 platter 2TB drive is already almost out . And saying larger drives do not have problems well, since I do not want to go through another 19 pages I wont say anything since what I already mentioned in a few lines says all there is to say about it and we cant prove otherwise and nothing we say will matter as we do not have inside info but we can infer that info on the behavior of what the companies are doing now . Also since I do not know why it happened and its a problem with all of them since 1 develops something and others just copy it and is called cross licensing. You dont think all of them really reinvent the same technology to bring out similar products do you? I think they are also testing it out using argon gas to make the heads more stable. Have you also noticed how he new drives platters are enclosed to prevent turbulence? I never seen them take 2 years to double capacity before and it took them an year to get from 1.5tb to 2TB and from the look of things it might be another 2 years to get 8TB drives.

Dropping reliability to 25% from 2 years ago might not be a big deal until you consider that you still use drives from 5 years ago. That has now dropped to almost 50% failure rates at just over 2 years.


I am reposting this info on where the warranty will expire.. Thats right near the end where its +1 day.. Statically, the drive will die on the day the warranty ends..
http://www.weibull.com/hotwire/issue21/hottopics21.htm

Since WD also specifically mentions this I dont think seagate is the only one hiding this. WD charges more than twice the amount so they can replace drives that will fail, more than likely most will fail long before the warranty expires. But WD also is rather conservative in what they do. Slower RPM, older more proven platters etc even on drives they say will work 24x7. . They are all praying you will outgrow the drive and wont want it replaced. Who wants to pay $20 to send an old drive in when new ones are half the cost, twice the speed and hold a lot more data? I just ordered another seagate 2TB drive. I am staying with 2TB. I cant spend a week recovering data from these drives and thats conservative. It takes a whole day just to scan the drive. Its not easy recovering 2TB of data!! And the lower MTBF has me concerned. And yes I already had failures after a few hundred hours.
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If they are hiding this information, how did you come about finding it? Did you hack them?
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5900 rpm, 1TB platters, ST4000DM000. The external enclosures contained the standard internal drives. 2 yr warranty, though I have to put them back in the case to get it since they show up as a unit. Easy enough to do.

I have Rma the bare drive with just the serial # from the drive with success.

Really? So you can just send off the internal drive only if something goes wrong?

Anyway, Hi!

I've been following this thread as I was in the market for a HDD, and found this thread interesting.

I'm thinking of getting the 4TB Expansion HDD.15 for £110 and removing it from the enclosure and using it as an internal drive.
(Cheaper than getting the oem internal drive with same model number ST4000DM000 which costs £140)

I want an opinion what other's think.

The price of 3TB Barracuda 7200.14 is £85 (price per TB = £28.33)
The price of 4TB Expansion HDD.15 is £110 (price per TB = £27.50)

Which one would you get for general use? I would use it more for storage than a performance drive.

I am aware that for performance, 7200.14 is the way to go.

But for storage and general use, how badly does the 4TB HDD.15 5900rpm drive perform in comparison to the 3TB 7200.14?

I'm just not sure if I would benefit from the 7200.14 or the HDD.15 in the long run.

I do have an SSD for operating system and Apps. But for games and storage, I need a HDD.

I also have a 3TB Barracuda 7200.14 already but it's getting a bit full.

So I'm not sure if I should get another 3TB 7200.14 or the newer 4TB HDD.15 5900rpm.
Edited by Conquerz - 5/13/13 at 7:19pm
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When I thought one of my new 4TB drives was DOA, I started to fill out the RMA forms and it said my HDD was part of a larger unit. I assumed that meant I had to put it back in the case to send it in for a replacement. I actually discovered my aged motherboard (Asus P5Q-E Core2Duo board with SATA2 ports) was unable to control the 4TB drives reliably and consistently; sometimes they worked and other times not. When I moved them both to an add in SATA3 PCIe based port addon card, they both worked flawlessly.

Word to the wise, keep the enclosure, just in case.


If you have the money, get the larger drive for storage. It will last you far longer that way.
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109$ for pure awesomeness

Was that a reply to my question? biggrin.gif
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109$ for pure awesomeness

Was that a reply to my question? biggrin.gif


Sorry I missed your post.

Yes. You can send off the bar drive RMA.

Also,

4TB @ 5900rpm is a wonderful drive. Just because. The 3TB 7200.14 is faster doesn't mean the 4TB isn't a great choice.
I'd trade a little performance for extra storage any day smile.gif
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****en rebate.... mad.gif
Rather pay more without a mail in.

Newegg @ 109 no rebate is better offer IMO.
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Sorry I missed your post.

Yes. You can send off the bar drive RMA.

Also,

4TB @ 5900rpm is a wonderful drive. Just because. The 3TB 7200.14 is faster doesn't mean the 4TB isn't a great choice.
I'd trade a little performance for extra storage any day smile.gif

But which one would be more useful in the long run? Better performance or better size? I need both. I have a 3TB Barracuda 7200.14 drive already for running games. And SSD for running OS and apps.

What is the future going to be with HDDs? Will we continue seeing higher storage sizes at lower prices?
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That depends 100% on your priorities. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize buying for size anyways...

Which would you rather have:

1) A 22% faster drive?
2) A 33% larger drive?
Probably, but it matters on how bit-patterned media translates from the lab to the production line.

Drives using today's technology (but sealed w/ helium) will probably top out at ~7TB, with the same read/write speeds as today.

There are additional priorities, probably more so for HTPC or media center build than for the data center. Heat, power consumption, noise...

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What is the future going to be with HDDs? Will we continue seeing higher storage sizes at lower prices?


This has been the trend for 30+ years now, I doubt it will change.
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But which one would be more useful in the long run? Better performance or better size? I need both. I have a 3TB Barracuda 7200.14 drive already for running games
More useful in the long run would be a bigger SSD for running games, then there's nothing to worry about
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But which one would be more useful in the long run? Better performance or better size? I need both. I have a 3TB Barracuda 7200.14 drive already for running games
More useful in the long run would be a bigger SSD for running games, then there's nothing to worry about

That's why I asked that question. What if the SSD become cheap as the HDD and in similar sizes a few years down the line (say 3 or 4 years), then getting a large HDD now wouldn't be of much value.
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That depends 100% on your priorities. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize buying for size anyways...

Which would you rather have:

1) A 22% faster drive?
2) A 33% larger drive?

What I really need is a fast drive for gaming as well as storage, that uses low power when idle and lasts a good few years.

I guess I could get separate drives one for performance and one for storage. So I should be OK with the Seagate 4TB HDD.15 5900rpm drive.

Thanks.
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Edited by PobjoySpecial - 5/16/13 at 2:44pm
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