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128 GB flash drive vs optical media... optical media will once again be a cheaper option! Long live optical media!!!

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post #122 of 244
At least two discs, expensive ones. And what about trailers and extra features? Not that I watch too many of them, but they'll likely include them. IMO the ultra high def technology may be there, but the media is a problem. The download thing would be great if it didn't take hours to do it. So if you can barely download it good luck having enough bandwidth to stream it. I'm just saying, they can barely make a high res (master recording) music download sound as good as a red book CD, it surely is no master recording. And that is no where near the info we're talking about for 4K. My two cents.
post #123 of 244
Doubt they will use flash.....too darn expensive. BD Data most likely!
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It looks so beautiful smile.gif
post #125 of 244
Flash might be expensive now but a single time write chip 100gb mass produced might not be in the near future. Just thinking about it from a logistic and economies of scale view point of how to get 4k technology to market.

...never underestimate the power of Chinese slave labor. tongue.gif
post #126 of 244
Ha! Forget the size and logistics issues of downloading and storing such massive files-- the real issue is why anyone would CARE. The reason bluray never caught fire the way DVD did is the fact that bluray offered very little more than DVD besides quality-- and people aren't motivated by quality.

Never mind that this ignores the most popular and emerging trends in digital delivery: streaming and cloud storage. Downloading and storing massive libraries of files and data locally is as much a fixture of the past as stacking bookshelves full of discs-- and the past is a place Sony seems increasingly and alarmingly stuck in. Netflix and similar services have shown the advantages of the 'cloud': for all the advantages that a Blu-ray Disc has in quality over streaming it can't come close to replicating the breadth, selection and ease of use/convenience of a Netflix subscription-- and Netflix's quality is getting better everyday.

At the end of the day 4k will matter much less than even bluray. TVs sizes are sort of limited to the 60-70" sizes for the time being as the logistics of fitting anything bigger in your door will limit any growth until a flexible display is invented-- sure 4k looks good but at these sizes 1080p is still pretty viable.
post #127 of 244
Well Bluray did offer more content, not just the quality. I guess not many people are interested in that either. I'll be honest. I'm not interested in special features either smile.gif
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Blu ray never caught fire? Have you actually seen the number of movies and music on blu ray? There are MANY of us that still prefer a good quality disc vs an overly compressed download or stream. Yes I and many others have complete libraries ready to play on our networks, but if you think the over compressed format is as good as a blu ray format your misguided. On the other hand I do agree with some of what you said about 4K.


To add to this the exact opposite is taking place. People are realizing when they have a dedicated audio or home they're system that most standard formats sound and look like the part that jumped over the fence last. That's why iTunes and a bunch of sites are finally offering some better formats. Do they sound like my MSFL, blu rays, SACD's and DVD-A? No way but they are getting better. IMO many of us will never give up convenience for quality.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/3/13 at 10:02pm
post #129 of 244
im not really excited for the ps4 in general. i mean 4k isnt really that important to most people, 1080p for most displays is good enough. and most people didnt care for 3d, why would they pay even more and upgrade thier gear for 4k? doesnt make sense. and those 100gb movie downloads, thats just crazy. especially if its a peter jackson film, it would be twice as big. it would take you less time to drive to the store, buy the movie, go to mcdonalds and grabs yourself a meal and come home, then downloading the movie. not to mention if your isp doesnt cap your internet.

all those social elements and video sharing..myself i dont bother with facebook or youtube. i just want to play the damn game. call me old fashioned.

when it comes to games and movies. buy them on disc. i recently had a ps3 die on me. i bought a new one, redownloading my purchased games was a pain. took days to finish. and i was SOL with the movies i bought from the PS Store because they are a 1 time download. so i kinda feel ripped off by sony and i should have bought the movies on disc.

im excited however for the new controller with built in speaker/touch pad/motion tracking. and the enhanced graphics plus the cross game video chat.
post #130 of 244
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Blu ray never caught fire? Have you actually seen the number of movies and music on blu ray? There are MANY of us that still prefer a good quality disc vs an overly compressed download or stream. Yes I and many others have complete libraries ready to play on our networks, but if you think the over compressed format is as good as a blu ray format your misguided. On the other hand I do agree with some of what you said about 4K.

bluray is the way to go. im a owner of roughly 400 movies on blu. ZERO DVDS. smile.gif
post #131 of 244
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Originally Posted by Notsobright View Post

bluray is the way to go. im a owner of roughly 400 movies on blu. ZERO DVDS. smile.gif
Sometimes you still need DVDs. The boxset of Doctor Who were only DVD, apart from series 5 onward.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Burton View Post

Sometimes you still need DVDs. The boxset of Doctor Who were only DVD, apart from series 5 onward.

the doctor who??? wink.gif
post #133 of 244
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the doctor who??? wink.gif
Oh I keep doing that lol. Some of you guys aren't in the UK. It's a SCI-Fi TV series smile.gif
post #134 of 244
HEVC H.265 Codec Delivers 4K Video at 60FPS Using About 10Mbps.

www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/2/25/%28video%29-hvec-h265-codec-delivers-4k-video-at-60fps-using-about-10mbps.aspx


I'm 90% sure Sony and MS will go that route with their next gen console.
post #135 of 244
I'm hoping for not only the better codec with hopefully less compression issues, but also the move to a wider colour gamut and more bits geared toward colour accuracy. Hopefully the new standard will embrace all of these improvements.
post #136 of 244
I believe the proper standard used is 12 bit Color, not our 8. That would be awesome if we could go 12.
post #137 of 244
http://m.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/57566079?ds=1


So the manufacturers suddenly realize we want quality picture, well duh. They tried to force feed 3D down my throat. Oh geez, I thought I was going to get left in a technical time warp with my inadequate 1080p. The programming was changing, new movies in 3D, cable had it sat had it. So now they want me to spend 20-25 grand on a TV that has resolution so high my eyes cannot see it? Err I'd rather put on a pair of those funky glasses and see a difference.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/4/13 at 4:29am
post #138 of 244
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bluray is the way to go. im a owner of roughly 400 movies on blu. ZERO DVDS. smile.gif



That's a lot of blu rays!
post #139 of 244
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

http://m.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/57566079?ds=1

Trust your eyes not the hype.

So how does reading an article equate to trusting my eyes? For some reason, most peope can "see" the extra pixel density in the Apple retina displays. Count on them 'seeing' the extra detail in 4K, regardless of what the naysayers say.
post #140 of 244
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So how does reading an article equate to trusting my eyes? For some reason, most peope can "see" the extra pixel density in the Apple retina displays. Count on them 'seeing' the extra detail in 4K, regardless of what the naysayers say.
Great point. Those Apple IMac displays really stand out.
post #141 of 244
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So how does reading an article equate to trusting my eyes? For some reason, most peope can "see" the extra pixel density in the Apple retina displays. Count on them 'seeing' the extra detail in 4K, regardless of what the naysayers say.



I love retina display on both my apple devices. But is it the extra pixels or the extra brightness that is appealing to my eyes? Oled has the pixels but the lack of brightness keeps it behind the retina display, but they are getting better. That isn't the only article and there's sure to be ones showing proof there is a difference. Hey if your one of the few that can see better than 20/20 go for it. IMO their sales fell during the short lived 3D era but they figure we'll fall for the higher pixel story. If people think its not all about money they are wrong.
post #142 of 244
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I love retina display on both my apple devices. But is it the extra pixels or the extra brightness that is appealing to my eyes? Oled has the pixels but the lack of brightness which keeps it behind the retina display, but they are getting better. That isn't the only article and there's sure to be ones showing proof there is a difference. Hey if your one of the few that can see better than 20/20 go for it. IMO their sales fell during the short lived 3D era but they figure we'll fall for the higher pixel story. If people think its not all about money they are wrong.

There is more to resolution than identifying the smallest size dot the human eye can make out discreetly. Because TV sets have to draw diagonal lines, not just straight lines, the extra resolution gets used to avoid alias artifacts - which are really just discreet incidences of micro stair-stepping. The point is that if you study resolution you'll discover that diagonal lines are the reason the grid on a HD display has to exceed the threshold of human vision, not just meet it.
post #143 of 244
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There is more to resolution than identifying the smallest size dot the human eye can make out discreetly. Because TV sets have to draw diagonal lines, not just straight lines, the extra resolution gets used to avoid alias artifacts - which are really just discreet incidences of micro stair-stepping. The point is that if you study resolution you'll discover that diagonal lines are the reason the grid on a HD display has to exceed the threshold of human vision, not just meet it.



I will definitely get a look when this goes more mainstream, maybe I will see a difference. Lots of unanswered questions. I just hope by the time they make this affordable for mortal men they don't tell us we need even more resolution. There will come a point when our eyes will not see any difference though.
post #144 of 244
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my first ps3 died on me couple of months ago. i had purchased several movies from the PS store. now with my new ps3 i have to repurchase all of them because movies, unlike games are a 1 time download only. and 1 of the movies i bought earlier no longer shows up on the PS store. no thanks SONY ill stick with the disc until you clean up your own mess.

Stop being not so bright and give sonu cs a call. They should be able to switch it to your new unit manually.
post #145 of 244
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

So how does reading an article equate to trusting my eyes? For some reason, most peope can "see" the extra pixel density in the Apple retina displays. Count on them 'seeing' the extra detail in 4K, regardless of what the naysayers say.

Distance is a major factor. I'd fully expect most people with 20/20 to see a diff a foot or less from a macbook or inches from a iphone ( not even accounting for how low res laptop and phone screens typically were prior)

10 feet from their 45" in the livingroom? Not so much.
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Distance is a major factor. I'd fully expect most people with 20/20 to see a diff a foot or less from a macbook or inches from a iphone ( not even accounting for how low res laptop and phone screens typically were prior)

10 feet from their 45" in the livingroom? Not so much.

What he said...it has been proven with real world tests/experiences. The chart showing what the human eye can resolve from certain distances has been posted numerous times on AVS.
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Distance is a major factor. I'd fully expect most people with 20/20 to see a diff a foot or less from a macbook or inches from a iphone ( not even accounting for how low res laptop and phone screens typically were prior)

10 feet from their 45" in the livingroom? Not so much.

The TV you describe is too small for home theater, shame on whoever sold it those imaginary people. 4K movies and the TVs that can display them are home-theater oriented. Larger TV, shorter viewing distance. Besides, did any manufacturer announce a 45" 4K TV? No.
Edited by imagic - 3/4/13 at 8:13am
post #148 of 244
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

What he said...it has been proven with real world tests/experiences. The chart showing what the human eye can resolve from certain distances has been posted numerous times on AVS.

I wonder what standard is used to determine the characteristics of the "human eye" that is represented by the chart you refer to? I say that because there are a lot of variables that go into measuring visual acuity, including brightness and pattern recognition. Beyond that, 20/20 is considered normal vision, not ideal vision. The notion that only a few people have better than 20/20 vision is inaccurate, and you don't need 20/10 vision to appreciate 4K.
Edited by imagic - 3/4/13 at 8:30am
post #149 of 244
4K is coming, and discs will eventually be obsolete. This is inevitable, so continue to live in denial or embrace the future. The only real option left for us is to speculate on the speed of the timeline/transition. Regardless, it will happen. Am I happy about eventually replacing my 200 blu's? No, but I wasn't happy about replacing all my DVD's/Laserdiscs either. If(and this is a BIG if) the quality of 4K streaming(or initially 4K disc) is significantly better than our 1080p blu's/displays, I for one would happily welcome it. The ISP's bandwidth to handle all the traffic will increase w/ consumer demand, just like the 4K(or any other technology) will. It'll be a normal part of the process as 4K "stuff" eventually becomes commoditized(in the distant future). There's ALWAYS been logistical issues w/ this type of transition. So what? It's nothing that's insurmountable. Not today, tomorrow, or even a couple years from now, but eventually the disc will be a memory the mainstream consumer market. Convenience will always win out. That's why we have remote controls, the net, and it's why the streaming/download services have had whatever amount of success to this point. 2 or 3 years ago you could've went on any gaming site and read people clamoring for a disc less console so they wouldn't have to get off their ass to switch from COD to Battlefield, etc(they've started that already w/ Xbox). There's simply not enough audio/videophiles to hold back the instant-gratification mass consumer market w/ higher quality/less convenient discs. No more getting off your ass and driving to Blockbuster to rent movies, no more driving to Gamestop to buy the latest shooter, etc. Hell, there's even grocery stores in my town now that offer delivery(for a tidy sum) like the old days. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE lol...
post #150 of 244
You may be right. From a noted online medical site. 20-30% of the population have 20/20 vision or better. And approx 50% of the population is near sighted. Not 50% of the 20%, 50% total. It seems that many people that need glasses don't get them. So what is there vision? I've worn contacts/glasses for over 30 years. That said in no way shape or form does it make distances 20/20. Yeah I'm 20/20 or better from the Optometrist's machinery to the chart 10-12' away after that it goes down substantially. After a certain distance you could have 2 gazzilion pixels per sq inch. But nearly no one will see it. Except the graphs popping up all over, showing what are great specs. Hmm I wonder where they come from? This is almost the same as people spending a grand for a set of interconnects because the specs were better. I'll guarantee you will never "hear" the difference between them and my BJC's. That's my view on things but I'm just a contractor what do I know lol.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/4/13 at 3:01pm
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