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post #151 of 244
I'm not saying I have it all figured out. Honestly I can't wait to get a peak at it, and if it's all that I'll be the first one to retract any statement I made. And it possibly might be a must have. Some are saying it's a game changer, but right now as it sits, it will only be a dream for most. Prices will fall, I guess we'll see how far. Have a good day guys.
post #152 of 244
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

The TV you describe is too small for home theater, shame on whoever sold it those imaginary people. 4K movies and the TVs that can display them are home-theater oriented. Larger TV, shorter viewing distance. Besides, did any manufacturer announce a 45" 4K TV? No.

No, not yet. But they will eventually.

4K is beneficial for large screens and home theatre, but lets not pretend manufacturers are hopeing to capitalize on it to get margins back up there.

I'm just saying its not going to be a revolutionary adoption, but a slow plod. (Except here of course)
post #153 of 244
I can totally agree with some of you gentlemen regarding video clarity of 4k being a little exaggerated vs 1080p for movie watching.

The reason I welcome 4k screen technology is not for watching movies as much as it is the fact I get a 70" computer screen and crisp clear text at any distance from the screen. Anyone else excited about this? I know I can't be the only one.
post #154 of 244
Yes that would be great to have a big computer screen, but I doubt many will be able to fit one into their room or afford one. Most don't have a 70" screen in their living room. It is exciting for the ones that have that kind of money laying around. It's going to have to be affordable for the average person or Sony and others will never make enough money selling to the 5-10% with that kind of cash. Maybe I'd be able to afford one but I'll be damned if I'm paying the outrageous prices they want for them now. Ok I just bought a new pre/pro that's 4K ready. What about the TV and the media payer and the ridiculous prices they will charge for them and the media to go with it. Are you telling me I'll need a 100 gig flash drive for one movie? Unless they change many things, this is going to fall flat on its face. Man people wouldn't even pay 2 grand for a 3D TV or 300 for a disc player that plays SACD and DVD-A (i did) Some did but not enough to keep it going. Many of them only have a blu-ray player a couple of years. What about the bandwidth to download and stream? Most Internet providers including the big ones can't even fulfill their promised speeds now. A LOT has to change or it will be a failure.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/4/13 at 5:25pm
post #155 of 244
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

At the end of the day 4k will matter much less than even bluray. TVs sizes are sort of limited to the 60-70" sizes for the time being as the logistics of fitting anything bigger in your door will limit any growth until a flexible display is invented-- sure 4k looks good but at these sizes 1080p is still pretty viable.

You can fit a retractable 120" projector screen & a Home 4K projector thru a doorway quite easily wink.gif
post #156 of 244
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Originally Posted by Toymachyne View Post

The reason I welcome 4k screen technology is not for watching movies as much as it is the fact I get a 70" computer screen and crisp clear text at any distance from the screen. Anyone else excited about this? I know I can't be the only one.

I don't know about a 70" computer monitor eek.gifbiggrin.gif Reading on a 4k display will be a lot smoother & easier on the eyes. I'm looking forward to price drops on 4k monitors like this one http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ultra-HD-IGZO-CES-2013-PN-K321-multi-touch,20734.html
post #157 of 244
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Stop being not so bright and give sonu cs a call. They should be able to switch it to your new unit manually.

SONY promises all the downloadable disc-free media but their download speeds are very slow. anyone who uses the PS store knows what im talking about. they havent made any improvement to it since the ps3 came out and they promise 4k movie downloads.. tongue.gif cmon

ohh and you tyrant. i dont appreciate being made fun of. you the one who cant even spell "SONY" correct. its a 4 letter word lad wink.gif
post #158 of 244
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Originally Posted by JStockholm View Post

I disagree with most of you. I think Sony is on the right track here!

First, they actually are doing something positive and pro-active for the development and distribution of 4K content. Who else does that?

Second, I am convinced that downloading/streaming content is the future. In fact, personally I own very little physical media. Since years I have been legally streaming (and paying for) music via Spotify. I also stream (and pay for) TV series, I have used both Netflix and similar Swedish services.

For movies where my quality demands are higher, I typically rent new and interesting blu-rays and rip them loss-free to my NAS (ripping is legal in Sweden, for personal use if you have paid for the rent) for later viewing. The NAS has RAID and multiple drives so I risk no loss of information. I keep a 'library' of 50-100 ripped blu-rays until I have watched them and will delete to free up space for other films. OK, this method does require some planning ahead, but this is for me part of the fun -- to keep an eye open for interesting titles which I will put in my library for viewing during the upcoming months. And if my wife really needs to instantly watch something particular on a Friday night, we can always stream via Netflix or iTunes, with slightly lower quality. smile.gif

So, personally I see no problem waiting a few days for a huge 4K title to be downloaded. But then in Sweden, ISPs typically don't limit bandwidth and/or usage. But I would assume that also in the US, enthusiasts do have the possibility of paying a little premium to get unlimited monthly broadband traffic?

So lets see we have Blu Ray which could be a faithful transfer, a crap transfer or possibly an optimized transfer and the buyer will have no idea until he/she gets the disc other than perhaps reading reviews on line and waiting awhile after the disc is release. Then we have the famous double dipping of "theater release" followed later by extended release. For streaming, we get various quality of 1080p and most are not as good as typical Blu ray discs. The PS3 by Sony's choice wont play many formats of media but concentrate on making one go for what they find profitable.

Sorry - I wont go for the 4k stuff until these greedy studios and such put some level of quality in their discs and of course a way to stream reasonably. To me, this is just more of the same advancement of how to get into our wallets with absolutely no quality control. When I have a good Blu Ray played on my 65" plasma, it is a thing of beauty. I don't need a crappy 4k transfer to disc or stream and have to start over again with a new screen and a way to play it.
post #159 of 244
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Originally Posted by img eL View Post

I don't know about a 70" computer monitor eek.gifbiggrin.gif Reading on a 4k display will be a lot smoother & easier on the eyes. I'm looking forward to price drops on 4k monitors like this one http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ultra-HD-IGZO-CES-2013-PN-K321-multi-touch,20734.html
Sorry img eL, that screen size is WAY too small for anyone to get any benefit at all from 4k content, its science don't you know. smile.gif
Its all got to do with relative eye angles etc etc etc...hard scientific fact and whats more there are actually real charts which prove it !!!

Wait a minute, I forgot something....here it is:
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

You may be right. From a noted online medical site. 20-30% of the population have 20/20 vision or better. And approx 50% of the population is near sighted. Not 50% of the 20%, 50% total. It seems that many people that need glasses don't get them. So what is there vision? .......

OK, it seems that maybe some people just might be short sighted, in more ways than one. smile.gif
Now that that has been sorted out you can go ahead and buy such a small 4k screen with complete confidence and peace of mind, IMHO anyway. smile.gif
post #160 of 244
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Originally Posted by Phrehdd View Post

So lets see we have Blu Ray which could be a faithful transfer, a crap transfer or possibly an optimized transfer and the buyer will have no idea until he/she gets the disc other than perhaps reading reviews on line and waiting awhile after the disc is release. Then we have the famous double dipping of "theater release" followed later by extended release. For streaming, we get various quality of 1080p and most are not as good as typical Blu ray discs. The PS3 by Sony's choice wont play many formats of media but concentrate on making one go for what they find profitable.

Sorry - I wont go for the 4k stuff until these greedy studios and such put some level of quality in their discs and of course a way to stream reasonably. To me, this is just more of the same advancement of how to get into our wallets with absolutely no quality control. When I have a good Blu Ray played on my 65" plasma, it is a thing of beauty. I don't need a crappy 4k transfer to disc or stream and have to start over again with a new screen and a way to play it.

That's why Sony can't skimp on 4K content quality, Sony will not sell that many 4K TV sets & they want to sell TV sets. 4K content has to really Pop!
post #161 of 244
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Originally Posted by Phrehdd View Post

So lets see we have Blu Ray which could be a faithful transfer, a crap transfer or possibly an optimized transfer and the buyer will have no idea until he/she gets the disc other than perhaps reading reviews on line and waiting awhile after the disc is release. Then we have the famous double dipping of "theater release" followed later by extended release. For streaming, we get various quality of 1080p and most are not as good as typical Blu ray discs. The PS3 by Sony's choice wont play many formats of media but concentrate on making one go for what they find profitable.

Sorry - I wont go for the 4k stuff until these greedy studios and such put some level of quality in their discs and of course a way to stream reasonably. To me, this is just more of the same advancement of how to get into our wallets with absolutely no quality control. When I have a good Blu Ray played on my 65" plasma, it is a thing of beauty. I don't need a crappy 4k transfer to disc or stream and have to start over again with a new screen and a way to play it.



Agreed, I'm not doing this all over again. At least for awhile.
post #162 of 244
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Originally Posted by catonic View Post

Sorry img eL, that screen size is WAY too small for anyone to get any benefit at all from 4k content, its science don't you know. smile.gif
Its all got to do with relative eye angles etc etc etc...hard scientific fact and whats more there are actually real charts which prove it !!!

Wait a minute, I forgot something....here it is:
OK, it seems that maybe some people just might be short sighted, in more ways than one. smile.gif
Now that that has been sorted out you can go ahead and buy such a small 4k screen with complete confidence and peace of mind, IMHO anyway. smile.gif



Hi, I'm not getting what your saying. Why would I trade my flat panel for a smaller screen? Is this what you meant? Thanks.
post #163 of 244
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Originally Posted by img eL View Post

You can fit a retractable 120" projector screen & a Home 4K projector thru a doorway quite easily wink.gif



The problem like the guy above me said is a lot of us just did this not long ago. So now they want me to do it again? I just put flat panels in all bedrooms here last year. I'm not doing it again. I knew better than to jump on the 3D band wagon too early and I know better now. Not that this will fail, but I believe many will at least wait. I'm sure this thread was put up with the best intentions in mind, and I'm glad it was posted. But you can see it's a very polarizing subject.
post #164 of 244
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Originally Posted by JStockholm View Post

I disagree with most of you. I think Sony is on the right track here!

First, they actually are doing something positive and pro-active for the development and distribution of 4K content. Who else does that?

Second, I am convinced that downloading/streaming content is the future. In fact, personally I own very little physical media. Since years I have been legally streaming (and paying for) music via Spotify. I also stream (and pay for) TV series, I have used both Netflix and similar Swedish services.

For movies where my quality demands are higher, I typically rent new and interesting blu-rays and rip them loss-free to my NAS (ripping is legal in Sweden, for personal use if you have paid for the rent) for later viewing. The NAS has RAID and multiple drives so I risk no loss of information. I keep a 'library' of 50-100 ripped blu-rays until I have watched them and will delete to free up space for other films. OK, this method does require some planning ahead, but this is for me part of the fun -- to keep an eye open for interesting titles which I will put in my library for viewing during the upcoming months. And if my wife really needs to instantly watch something particular on a Friday night, we can always stream via Netflix or iTunes, with slightly lower quality. smile.gif

So, personally I see no problem waiting a few days for a huge 4K title to be downloaded. But then in Sweden, ISPs typically don't limit bandwidth and/or usage. But I would assume that also in the US, enthusiasts do have the possibility of paying a little premium to get unlimited monthly broadband traffic?

When you say streaming your talking about rental. Spotify is rental, so is netflix. This will probably be a for sale service.
post #165 of 244
Ha! Just for grins I called AT&T corporate accounts...I can get a T1 business port for $1100/mo., 100MB download with no caps...unfortunately, it comes with a two year agreement. Does Westinghouse have internet as well?

And for those of you saying 4K displays came down to $2000 in months, the first Sony 4K display was at Cedia 2 years ago! (but agreed, we're getting better) Wake me when the first good 4K projector gets below $4K.
post #166 of 244
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

Ha! Just for grins I called AT&T corporate accounts...I can get a T1 business port for $1100/mo., 100MB download with no caps...unfortunately, it comes with a two year agreement. Does Westinghouse have internet as well?

And for those of you saying 4K displays came down to $2000 in months, the first Sony 4K display was at Cedia 2 years ago! (but agreed, we're getting better) Wake me when the first good 4K projector gets below $4K.



Westinghouse? Lmao! My limit is around 2500 For a good projector. By that time 8K may be out o.O
post #167 of 244
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Originally Posted by Notsobright View Post

my first ps3 died on me couple of months ago. i had purchased several movies from the PS store. now with my new ps3 i have to repurchase all of them because movies, unlike games are a 1 time download only. and 1 of the movies i bought earlier no longer shows up on the PS store. no thanks SONY ill stick with the disc until you clean up your own mess.
Maybe this system will be a ultraviolet based. buy once play on any device, one time purchase.
post #168 of 244
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Originally Posted by Notsobright View Post

SONY promises all the downloadable disc-free media but their download speeds are very slow. anyone who uses the PS store knows what im talking about. they havent made any improvement to it since the ps3 came out and they promise 4k movie downloads.. tongue.gif cmon

ohh and you tyrant. i dont appreciate being made fun of. you the one who cant even spell "SONY" correct. its a 4 letter word lad wink.gif

Sorry bud, fat fingers and a mobile phone touchpad dont play nice. That said, take a joke and the advice. Sony can get your previously bought digital content on a new PS3. They just force people to do it manually, prob to keep ppl from simply whoring out a group account. So no, you do not have to repurchase them.

Im sure thats how it had to be with both the outside studios and sony pictures ( in relation to owning dlc)
Edited by TyrantII - 3/5/13 at 6:26am
post #169 of 244
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Originally Posted by TowerGrove View Post

Maybe this system will be a ultraviolet based. buy once play on any device, one time purchase.

So far, when it comes to 4K, the naysayers are the ones making most of the predictions. The real news is that the PS4 supports 4K output for movies, period. Like the PS3, the PS4 is going to support services like Vudu and Netflix. Inevitably these services will have their own 4K content, and it will be compressed enough to stream. Sony's 100GB+ download is not going to be the sole option for watching 4K movies on the PS4, you can count on that. The other question is if there will be a similar option for a truly Blu-ray quality 1080p download, because frankly that would be the most useful feature (for me) in the short term. I would be super-happy with 25GB downloads that make Blu-ray obsolete once and for all.
post #170 of 244
here's another problem i'll add. what about the hard drive capacity of the PS4 considering the 100gb downloadable movie? 1tb or 2tb? that's gonna be way too high for an ordinary teenager, or 30+ager gamer like me. =)
post #171 of 244
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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post

here's another problem i'll add. what about the hard drive capacity of the PS4 considering the 100gb downloadable movie? 1tb or 2tb? that's gonna be way too high for an ordinary teenager, or 30+ager gamer like me. =)
Yeah. One TB of HDD data, you'd still only be able to have 9 or 10 movies in 4K. That's low smile.gif
post #172 of 244
what i meant by high is the price for a 1 to 2tb hard drive on a PS4. consoles on the market now doesn't even have a terabyte of hard drive space.

talking about 9-10 movies, that's really LOW! hehehe.

but i think what sony's doing is future proofing. IMO, i'll wait 'til 20 to 50 terrabytes of hard drives will become available.
post #173 of 244
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Originally Posted by VinnyS View Post

So far, 4K isn't looking good at all and here's why. I had announced on another thread a 4K UHD display for $2K and not much interest in purchasing that display came up because the manufacturer is less known. So know one wants to spend $2K on a cheap 4K UHD display but most can't afford a $12K+ UHD display. Too cheap isn't good enough and too expensive is unaffordable. And now 100gb downloads.

Here in Canada, I'm already paying alot for high speed with a 120gb download, the highest plan is 200gb download. I don't see how ISP's will increase their plans and lower their prices in the next year. I think manufacturers don't seem to know how to get the most consumers on board.

I agree that downloads is the future even though I am a MAJOR physical media type of guy, but infrastructure simply isn't there yet and most consumers will not have a UHD displays. I hope Coolscan (above) is right that H.265 will bring the file size down to help with download time and file size. I just think manufacturers are going about it the wrong way.

Same thing people said about Blu Ray, Flat Panel, etc. Prices will come down, then it will become standard, then we'll be looking at the next technology they are throwing at us. Just like Blu Ray, and Just like Hi Def TV (Which still hasn't completely caught up), give it like 3-4 years, maybe even sooner if next gen consoles really push it, and you'll start seeing affordable UHDs pop up everywhere.

Obviously for now though, you'd be an early adopter with little content to use.
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Originally Posted by Toymachyne View Post

I can totally agree with some of you gentlemen regarding video clarity of 4k being a little exaggerated vs 1080p for movie watching.

The reason I welcome 4k screen technology is not for watching movies as much as it is the fact I get a 70" computer screen and crisp clear text at any distance from the screen. Anyone else excited about this? I know I can't be the only one.

This is the only reason I'm excited about 4k. Super high resolution computing. I'm debating whether 4k and blu ray will even be that much of a difference in quality. I'll have to wait and see I guess but I'm unsure how much more they can pack in that our eyes can visibly see. Then again, I don't wear glasses so maybe if I get some glasses I'd notice more of a difference.
Edited by tential - 3/5/13 at 2:00pm
post #174 of 244
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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post

what i meant by high is the price for a 1 to 2tb hard drive on a PS4. consoles on the market now doesn't even have a terabyte of hard drive space.

talking about 9-10 movies, that's really LOW! hehehe.

but i think what sony's doing is future proofing. IMO, i'll wait 'til 20 to 50 terrabytes of hard drives will become available.

Key word is "support". HDD options will probably be 250 & 500GB. You want more, you can always DIY upgrade.
post #175 of 244
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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post

what i meant by high is the price for a 1 to 2tb hard drive on a PS4. consoles on the market now doesn't even have a terabyte of hard drive space.

talking about 9-10 movies, that's really LOW! hehehe.

but i think what sony's doing is future proofing. IMO, i'll wait 'til 20 to 50 terrabytes of hard drives will become available.

I have had 1TB hard drive failures not fun, Luckily I backed up not all most files on BDXL's. I would not want to imagine a 20, 50 TB hard drive failure, that would be a mother of all hard drive failure's frown.gif That would be as they say Epic!eek.gif
post #176 of 244
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

Ha! Forget the size and logistics issues of downloading and storing such massive files-- the real issue is why anyone would CARE. The reason bluray never caught fire the way DVD did is the fact that bluray offered very little more than DVD besides quality-- and people aren't motivated by quality.

Never mind that this ignores the most popular and emerging trends in digital delivery: streaming and cloud storage. Downloading and storing massive libraries of files and data locally is as much a fixture of the past as stacking bookshelves full of discs-- and the past is a place Sony seems increasingly and alarmingly stuck in. Netflix and similar services have shown the advantages of the 'cloud': for all the advantages that a Blu-ray Disc has in quality over streaming it can't come close to replicating the breadth, selection and ease of use/convenience of a Netflix subscription-- and Netflix's quality is getting better everyday.

At the end of the day 4k will matter much less than even bluray. TVs sizes are sort of limited to the 60-70" sizes for the time being as the logistics of fitting anything bigger in your door will limit any growth until a flexible display is invented-- sure 4k looks good but at these sizes 1080p is still pretty viable.

You mention Netflix and cloud. That's a rental service. What about sell thru. You know that 8-9 billion dollar business, hardly chump change. If I buy something I prefer to have it in my possession. Be it Disc or digital file. Cloud backup is just gravy to me.
post #177 of 244
Plus they won't always be in the cloud or they may not allow multiple downloads of previously purchased files. Someone already complained that Sony limits one movie download per account. Need a new PS3 to replace your old one? Sorry mates! You're f--ked.

What kinds of stunts will they pull if all you have are UHD downloads and your files get corrupted or your proprietary Sony equipment goes to the electronic fix-it shop in the sky? Eh?

Plenty of pissed off people then.
post #178 of 244
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Sorry bud, fat fingers and a mobile phone touchpad dont play nice. That said, take a joke and the advice. Sony can get your previously bought digital content on a new PS3. They just force people to do it manually, prob to keep ppl from simply whoring out a group account. So no, you do not have to repurchase them.

Im sure thats how it had to be with both the outside studios and sony pictures ( in relation to owning dlc)

i dont think your understand me correctly. movies bought from the ps store are a 1 time download only. you have to agree to those term. if your hard drive or ps3 goes. you lose the movie. you cant simply call sony and get your movies back. you cant. and some movies do disappear after sometime on there, so your sol. thats what im trying to say. im not talking about games or dlc. im talking movies. i prefer disc, they sit on my shelves and collect dust. but im an old man smile.gif
post #179 of 244
I'm surprised that so many members here are blithely unconcerned about the possibility (nay, probability) that their purchases will disappear, sooner or later.

Anything from Sony is gonna be DRM'ed out the wazoo. Think you're going to be able to make back up copies of your movies for safekeeping? Need you be reminded of a little past history?

- Rootkit fiasco
- Bad sector copy protection
- Cinavia

As to the last mentioned, a few of the major studios have stuck their toes in the water with a couple releases. Otherwise, it's all Sony releases. The point being, Sony is really serious about anti-copy protections, and keep upping the ante. I can't imagine it's going to be easy to defeat the protections they'll use for 4k movie downloads.

Personally, no backup, no sale. Hard drives fail, no exceptions.

Okay, I'll confess. I still have a grudge against Sony for their proprietary memory sticks. I had a rather expensive Sony camera a while back and...oh never mind. tongue.gif
post #180 of 244
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Originally Posted by Notsobright View Post

i dont think your understand me correctly. movies bought from the ps store are a 1 time download only. you have to agree to those term. if your hard drive or ps3 goes. you lose the movie. you cant simply call sony and get your movies back. you cant. and some movies do disappear after sometime on there, so your sol. thats what im trying to say. im not talking about games or dlc. im talking movies. i prefer disc, they sit on my shelves and collect dust. but im an old man smile.gif

We're not discussing the PS3. At the PS4 launch, Sony said "We didn't build a box". That might be a decent pun if taken literally but figuratively what they meant was the whole online experience is being rebuilt and rebooted. Apple used to enforce a 1 download limit and that's gone. Wait for Sony to discuss the policies in their new store before declaring what's going to happen in the future, with a system that has yet to be released.
Edited by imagic - 3/6/13 at 6:24am
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