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Usually the speed advertised is the maximum potential download speed. I find it hard to utilize the last 10-15% of my bandwidth, but if I find the right server on a speed test I can get to the limit.




Ok gotcha, that was what I was wondering as I also did Cnets speed and mine was at 24 after a few passes. I'm also activating my new Aris modem right now which hopefully will help. I am going to inquire about a faster service today, just to see what they have, and possibly bargain with Comcast. I find that they are good about that. For all the complaints I hear about them my experiences have been totally opposite of some I've heard.

After the new modem and from the speedtest.net app I'm nearly 25 up and 6 down. At least I'm getting what I'm paying for. I know some are not getting advertised speeds.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/11/13 at 9:11am
post #212 of 236
Perhaps Sony should get into the ISP business or at least cut a deal with major ISPs, otherwise this service has no future in the data-cap limited reality.
Unless Sony only caters to the elite group of customers, say the people who can afford to buy the $25k 4KTV right now probably wouldn't care that much about data overage charges. wink.gif
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Perhaps Sony should get into the ISP business or at least cut a deal with major ISPs, otherwise this service has no future in the data-cap limited reality.
Unless Sony only caters to the elite group of customers, say the people who can afford to buy the $25k 4KTV right now probably wouldn't care that much about data overage charges. wink.gif

It would be pretty brilliant if you could "subscribe" to Sony's network via broadband as part of a PlayStation Plus membership and have no data cap on movie and video content consumed through a PS4. Netflix UltraHD works in a similar manner through openconnect, the use of which does not count against data caps.. At the PS4 launch, Sony boasted they were building "the world's most powerful global network" to support the PS4. Probably an exxageration, but also a big hint that Sony content will flow through proprietary pipelines.
post #214 of 236
Speaking of Netflix, does anyone have an opinion on their HD offering, as far as quality goes?
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This won't be an issue once Google Fiber becomes the new standard. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Speaking of Netflix, does anyone have an opinion on their HD offering, as far as quality goes?

Netflix 1080P looks spectacular on a PS3, but not so great on a PC or through the app on my Vizio. Netflix UltraHD is not available on Comcast, unfortunately. The standard Netflix HD on a PC has too many funny motion artifacts, as if amoebas are floating around in the pixels. Netflix 1080p on the PS3 was the first time I ever saw a streaming movie that blew me away, I remember it clearly - Starship Troopers, one of my favorites and a film I've seen a dozen times including its premier in the theaters and by the time I saw it on Netflix in 1080p, I had already watched the Blu-ray.

I'm planning on a mega-comparison using "Art of Flight" - the Red Bull sponsored snowboarding movie, especially the opening sequence that has become a popular home theater demo. Netflix has it, so does iTunes and Vudu and of course there's a Blu-ray version. It might be a few weeks before I get to the comparison, but it'll be a great way to see how Netflix does. My previews indicate Netflix will do quite well; but again the caveat is it depends on how you watch Netflix, because not all of their HD streams are the same.
Edited by imagic - 3/14/13 at 1:17pm
post #217 of 236
I'd really like to see Net Flix ULTRA. I'm always ready for higher quality. Just stinks they don't have it for my ISP. If they ever will frown.gif
post #218 of 236
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Netflix 1080P looks spectacular on a PS3, but not so great on a PC or through the app on my Vizio. Netflix UltraHD is not available on Comcast, unfortunately. The standard Netflix HD on a PC has too many funny motion artifacts, as if amoebas are floating around in the pixels. Netflix 1080p on the PS3 was the first time I ever saw a streaming movie that blew me away, I remember it clearly - Starship Troopers, one of my favorites and a film I've seen a dozen times including its premier in the theaters and by the time I saw it on Netflix in 1080p, I had already watched the Blu-ray.

I'm planning on a mega-comparison using "Art of Flight" - the Red Bull sponsored snowboarding movie, especially the opening sequence that has become a popular home theater demo. Netflix has it, so does iTunes and Vudu and of course there's a Blu-ray version. It might be a few weeks before I get to the comparison, but it'll be a great way to see how Netflix does. My previews indicate Netflix will do quite well; but again the caveat is it depends on how you watch Netflix, because not all of their HD streams are the same.



On thanks, it seems Netflix is inconsistent. So many variables I had no idea.
post #219 of 236
Does anyone know if Netflix has plans to xpand it's availability on ultra hd?
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Originally Posted by carageuw View Post

Perhaps Sony should get into the ISP business or at least cut a deal with major ISPs, otherwise this service has no future in the data-cap limited reality.
Unless Sony only caters to the elite group of customers, say the people who can afford to buy the $25k 4KTV right now probably wouldn't care that much about data overage charges. wink.gif

Isn't this the type of scenario that so-called Net Neutrality proposals seek to make illegal, i.e. a system where some customers or content providers can pay to have their data treated preferentially or differently than "normal" internet data?
post #221 of 236
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Originally Posted by carageuw View Post

Perhaps Sony should get into the ISP business or at least cut a deal with major ISPs, otherwise this service has no future in the data-cap limited reality.
Unless Sony only caters to the elite group of customers, say the people who can afford to buy the $25k 4KTV right now probably wouldn't care that much about data overage charges. wink.gif
I agree, people on Wall Street that make a million a week will get 4K for their $10-$50 million $ homes but the average consumer will not get 4K until prices drop to todays 1080p prices. My ISP Comcast has a monthly data limit and six 1080p 50GB Blu-ray movies would hit that limit and they charge $10 for every 50GB over the limit. 4K is coming soon for some but not for most people here.
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Originally Posted by carageuw View Post

Perhaps Sony should get into the ISP business or at least cut a deal with major ISPs, otherwise this service has no future in the data-cap limited reality.
Unless Sony only caters to the elite group of customers, say the people who can afford to buy the $25k 4KTV right now probably wouldn't care that much about data overage charges. wink.gif
I agree, people on Wall Street that make a million a week will get 4K for their $10-$50 million $ homes but the average consumer will not get 4K until prices drop to todays 1080p prices. My ISP Comcast has a monthly data limit and six 1080p 50GB Blu-ray movies would hit that limit and they charge $10 for every 50GB over the limit. 4K is coming soon for some but not for most people here.


+1

Agreed.
post #223 of 236
Google fiber needs to become the standard! I'm getting robbed now compared to fiber prices.
post #224 of 236
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So far, pricing for broadband has tied speed and quantity together, but there's a limit to how much speed is needed to make 4K work as a real-time product, even at the highest quality levels: 100Mbps ought to do it. The need for a higher data cap is clear and my guess is that internet will be packaged to reflect that, where spending a bit more for a higher data cap instead of more speed becomes the standard upgrade. I can see all the major ISPs touting their "4K-ready internet" plans, in a year or two.
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

So far, pricing for broadband has tied speed and quantity together, but there's a limit to how much speed is needed to make 4K work as a real-time product, even at the highest quality levels: 100Mbps ought to do it. The need for a higher data cap is clear and my guess is that internet will be packaged to reflect that, where spending a bit more for a higher data cap instead of more speed becomes the standard upgrade. I can see all the major ISPs touting their "4K-ready internet" plans, in a year or two.

I think you're going to find that the cost to invest in 4k media (without a physical alternative) from the ISP costs to the cost of the proprietary "licensed" players will be astronomical for most movie lovers. The U.S. is way behind the power curve when it comes to the cost vs. speed of the major ISP's.

Data caps and the shenanigans being played by the content providers and the ISP's also must be eliminated or home theater enthusiasts will be robbed blind. This is due to the inevitable cost shifting that will occur when investing in high data rate plans with no data caps necessary for internet only UHD. There won't be any incentive to "cut the cable" or "dump the satellite dish" after people get hit by the sticker shock, even if the compression quality is sublime with commercial theater grade video and audio.

I can foresee that UHD discs and a disc player would cost much less in the long run. The added benefit to us is... competition. Retailers have to compete in the market place for customers and that can affect costs of goods and services. Proprietary Hollywood studio downloads and "officially DRM licensed" internet players do not. And we all know what happens with prices when they can easily be fixed.

I know you're ga-ga over downloads and the elimination of physical media, but economic history is, unfortunately, not on your side.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 3/19/13 at 11:13am
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I think you're going to find that the cost to invest in 4k media (without a physical alternative) from the ISP costs to the cost of the proprietary "licensed" players will be astronomical for most movie lovers.

Data caps and the shenanigans being played by the content providers and the ISP's must be eliminated or home theater enthusiasts will be robbed blind. There won't be any incentive to "cut the cable or satellite dish" after people get hit by the sticker shock even if the quality is sublime.

I can foresee that UHD discs and a player would cost much less in the long run. The added benefit to us is... competition. Retailers have to compete in the market place for customers. Proprietary Hollywood studio downloads and "official" internet players do not. And we all know what happens with prices when they can easily be fixed.

I know you're ga-ga over downloads and the elimination of physical media, but economic history is, unfortunately, not on your side.

A $99 box will stream 4K soon enough. I'm sure the next X-Box will as well. Netflix is planning to stream 4K, that's going to be mainstream and built into many 4K TV sets. There are plenty of ancillary benefits to faster and more abundant internet access, it's harder to see a similar benefit coming from a new disc-based media. Microsoft thought the CD-ROM was good enough to protect it from the internet, for the same reasons people are currently arguing for UHD media - bandwidth and quality. History was not kind to Microsoft in that regard.
post #227 of 236
Couldn't agree more
post #228 of 236
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

A $99 box will stream 4K soon enough. I'm sure the next X-Box will as well. Netflix is planning to stream 4K, that's going to be mainstream and built into many 4K TV sets. There are plenty of ancillary benefits to faster and more abundant internet access, it's harder to see a similar benefit coming from a new disc-based media. Microsoft thought the CD-ROM was good enough to protect it from the internet, for the same reasons people are currently arguing for UHD media - bandwidth and quality. History was not kind to Microsoft in that regard.

Netflix still has problems streaming 1080p content and with no lossless audio either (let alone 24 bit and 7.1 audio). Much of their content is stereo, not even 5.1 when the content was originally multi-channel.

And they insist they're ready for 4k??

I very much doubt a 4k enabled streaming box will cost $99 at the outset and for many years. That's the price for current technology, incapable of UHD content streaming.

That still doesn't answer the basic problem of ISP costs, downloaded UHD media costs, storage and its costs, and what it will take to deliver UHD via the internet with top notch quality and without onerous DRM issues and hurdles.
post #229 of 236
It's all about the money.
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It's all about the money.
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They can never hide the truth!
post #232 of 236
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It's all about the money.

True, if SONY is targeting the elite...
I am sure they could afford to get their own fiber optic service installed and couldn't care less about data caps or speed caps.
I wonder how much would it cost?
A year ago I contacted Comcast Business, and they told me they need to connect my building to their grid first, and that would cost them about $9,000.
So it might not be worth their investment unless I can get at least two other units to sign with them.
post #233 of 236
United States suffers poor infrastructure to distribute internet. It is much worse that in old continent where most of major cities offer fireoptic links to each home which needs it. A 100Mbps is not a luxury anymore and monthly fees are much lower than average US.
I remember ordering 25Mbps Comcast in South Florida. Advertized down speed was only holding for first minute usually after which it was dropping to 2-5Mbps.Up speeds were just ridiculous slow. New England seemed to have better infrastructure where Verizon offers links up to 50/100Mbps but they cost enormous leg of what subscribes pay un some European countries including post soviet countries like Chech, Slovakia, Hungary or Poland where major cities are already wired to super fast internet.

Sorry to say buy 4K is a dream which in many US regions with current XX century infrastructure will stay a dream for many not years to come. With economy facing another plunge soon I do not see how many people will actually care to get wired to receive UHD programming to support market demand which would make major cable networks and ISP providers to offer true reliable super fast internet links to support PS4 capabilities.
post #234 of 236
I don't see how this is any different from 1080P. Once 4k becomes the norm. Obviously it will be cheaper to own. Seems like people forget how expensive 1080P sets used to be. I remember when a 40 inch Samsung cost 15K. I even sold one smile.gif
post #235 of 236
The pure download model at this time is not going to work, if limited to D/L the market penitration will be so small, leading to equally abismal sales of 4K HW. Sure profits will be high but unit sales will be low. D/L will need to be supplimented with a Disk/Flash version, even if just a data disk on current 2layer BRD loaded to the HD as prevviously mentioned.

Appears the HD load play model is being implimented for X-Box games in the new console.
post #236 of 236
All of this sounds wonderful, but I'm still trying to get around the fact that my PS3 bricked after the last firmware upgrade. ($129.99 + tax and Shipping for repairs!!!) Not for nothin' but what happens when the new PS4 goes through its growing pains? If you save all of your PS3 data in the cloud or HDD, it takes FOREVER to reload the previous downloads and content after a repair. Now imagine the size of the PS4's 4K files. I cannot stomach the thought of reloading saved games, add-on's, etc. from the cloud or external drives with files that large. I guess we'll wait and see how it works!
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