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post #211 of 240
The 2 mbps rate for the mp4 file is the average bit rate. If you encode a file that is on your computer you can achieve better results doing multiple passes. For example the encoder can scan through the whole file and find which scenes need a higher bit rate due to motion and which scenes can look OK with a lower bit rate, that way when it encodes the complete file the overall look is improved even though the average bit rate is the same. When you encode a live file playing you can only encode in real time and have no knowledge on how to allocate the bit rate as the file video content changes. So live real time encoding does not do a good job when trying to do a variable bit rate.

Also re-encoding a low bit rate file will also look worse when encoded at a low bit rate, and 2 mbps is a very low bit rate for a 1920X800 video. You should always try to start with the best quality source you can get.

For example if I do a recording of a film program I will set the bit rate to constant at the highest setting to capture the file with the best quality, and my source is almost always 1080i at 29.97 fps. I then do any editing I need using VideoRedo and save the file in the same format as it was recorded. I then re-encode the 1080i file into 1080P AT 23.976 and make any changes to color or other settings, like if the file was wide screen with black bars on top and bottom and there was a logo ID inserted in the black bar area I can re-insert black bars again and remove the logo. I set the encode to be either a 2 pass encode if I want to end with a certain file size like for a DVD or Blu-Ray disk or I will do a 1 pass "constant quality" encode to save encode time but with an unknown final file size.

Hope this is not to confusing, it is difficult to explain but pretty easy to do once you have been doing it for a few years.

Mike T
post #212 of 240
My old 1212 is dying so I am considering purchase of a 1512. One requirement I have is to be able to set a "recording duration", then manually start the capture recording, and have the capture stop automatically, based on the duration that I set. That way, I don't have to be present to physically stop the capture. The ArcSoft Total Media Extreme 2 software that came with the 1212 has that capability, but as far as I can tell, the software that comes with the 1512 does not. Is that correct?

If the capture software included with the 1512 doesn't allow setting a recording duration, will the old Total Media Extreme 2 software that came with my 1212 work with the newer 1512?

If not, is there other software I can buy that has that capability and works with the 1512?

Thanks.
post #213 of 240
You can still set a capture duration with the included software. Can also do it with WInTV7 as that's what the interface asks for. It's very old-school VCR-style.
post #214 of 240
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

My old 1212 is dying so I am considering purchase of a 1512.

How can you tell that your 1212 is dying?
post #215 of 240
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

You can still set a capture duration with the included software. Can also do it with WInTV7 as that's what the interface asks for. It's very old-school VCR-style.

Just to be sure I understand, when I referred to "capture duration", I meant setting it to end in two hours, or in 1 hour 35 minutes, etc. I didn't mean starting it at a certain time of day and ending it at a certain time of day like old style VCR's set up to record a TV show. Were you referring to setting a specific amount of time or a specific time of day?
post #216 of 240
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

How can you tell that your 1212 is dying?

I posted an answer to your question, but I don't see it in the thread, so will try again. (It might eventually show up as a double post.)

I can't be 100% sure it is dying, but the following are the symptoms:

1. After 2 years of reliable use, for the last few days the capture''s frequently "freeze". By that, I mean the capture ends prematurely, and the video in Total Media Extreme 2's preview screen is frozen, as if paused. For example I may have set the software to capture for 2 hours but 35 minutes into the capture, it freezes. The program itself is responsive because I can click the "X" in the upper right corner and it will exit. This can happen less than 30 minutes into the capture, or it can take close to two hours before it freezes. As a test, I just set up a 6 hour recording and it captured all 6 hours without problem. So the problem is intermittent, but frequent.

2. The 1212 hardware often shows up as an "Unknown Device" in Windows 7's Device Manager, with a yellow triangle and exclamation mark. Sometimes turning the unit off and back on revives it for a while.

I have tried the following without success:

1. Rebooted the PC
2. Tried a different USB cable
3. Tried a different USB port
4. Unplugged the 1212 from the wall, left it off a few minutes, and plugged it back in (hoping it would reset it).
5. Updated the device driver to the latest one on the Hauppauge website (in case the driver had become corrupt).
6. Uninstalled the 1212 hardware (in Device Manager/Properties) and let Windows rediscover it.

I haven't tried uninstalling and re-installing Total Media Extreme 2, but will try that next. I think I still have the software CD that came with the 1212.

I capture from a cable DVR, so I can't rule out that the DVR has developed a problem. But I can watch DVR recordings on a TV without a problem. And when a 1212 capture freezes, I can check the playback on the TV and it is still playing, even though frozen in the ArcSoft software. So I doubt that the DVR is the culprit.

Other suggestions would be welcome.
post #217 of 240
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

I posted an answer to your question, but I don't see it in the thread, so will try again. (It might eventually show up as a double post.)
I can't be 100% sure it is dying, but the following are the symptoms:
1. After 2 years of reliable use, for the last few days the capture''s frequently "freeze". By that, I mean the capture ends prematurely, and the video in Total Media Extreme 2's preview screen is frozen, as if paused. For example I may have set the software to capture for 2 hours but 35 minutes into the capture, it freezes. The program itself is responsive because I can click the "X" in the upper right corner and it will exit. This can happen less than 30 minutes into the capture, or it can take close to two hours before it freezes. As a test, I just set up a 6 hour recording and it captured all 6 hours without problem. So the problem is intermittent, but frequent.
2. The 1212 hardware often shows up as an "Unknown Device" in Windows 7's Device Manager, with a yellow triangle and exclamation mark. Sometimes turning the unit off and back on revives it for a while.
I have tried the following without success:
1. Rebooted the PC
2. Tried a different USB cable
3. Tried a different USB port
4. Unplugged the 1212 from the wall, left it off a few minutes, and plugged it back in (hoping it would reset it).
5. Updated the device driver to the latest one on the Hauppauge website (in case the driver had become corrupt).
6. Uninstalled the 1212 hardware (in Device Manager/Properties) and let Windows rediscover it.
I haven't tried uninstalling and re-installing Total Media Extreme 2, but will try that next. I think I still have the software CD that came with the 1212.
I capture from a cable DVR, so I can't rule out that the DVR has developed a problem. But I can watch DVR recordings on a TV without a problem. And when a 1212 capture freezes, I can check the playback on the TV and it is still playing, even though frozen in the ArcSoft software. So I doubt that the DVR is the culprit.
Other suggestions would be welcome.

The problem might be the power cord transformer. I've heard of others needing to replace theirs over at this thread. You can search for the posts.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1055232/hauppauge-hdpvr-1212-owners-thread

I don't know for sure if thats the problem but if you'd rather spend $10 instead of $150.... You might want to try it.. Unless you really want a new PVR.
post #218 of 240
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

Just to be sure I understand, when I referred to "capture duration", I meant setting it to end in two hours, or in 1 hour 35 minutes, etc. I didn't mean starting it at a certain time of day and ending it at a certain time of day like old style VCR's set up to record a TV show. Were you referring to setting a specific amount of time or a specific time of day?

The latest version of Hauppauge Capture software has a timer like you describe. It's free to download off their site..
post #219 of 240
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

The latest version of Hauppauge Capture software has a timer like you describe. It's free to download off their site..

Thanks for the confirmation about the timer, and for the link regarding the power cord/transformer as a possible culprit. I will read the thread.
post #220 of 240
No problem.. It's a long thread. Try searching for Power supply.
post #221 of 240
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

Just to be sure I understand, when I referred to "capture duration", I meant setting it to end in two hours, or in 1 hour 35 minutes, etc. I didn't mean starting it at a certain time of day and ending it at a certain time of day like old style VCR's set up to record a TV show. Were you referring to setting a specific amount of time or a specific time of day?
The latter you'd use WinTV7 for. The capture module does have a timer, but only if you start it from the computer. If you use the button on top of the unit to launch capture, the length box is unavailable.
post #222 of 240
If I end up buying a PVR 2 to replace my 1212, I have a pre-purchase question. I use my current 1212 to record from a cable DVR connected to the 1212 via a standard R, G, B component cable. With the 1512, it looks like I could plug a standard component cable into the DVR, connect the other end of that cable into the R,G,B female inputs of the 1512's adapter cable (the one that has 5 female inputs), and connect the other end of that adapter to the A/V input of the 1512. For audio, I could connect the the DVR to the 1512 via the optical connectors, or use the stereo outs of the DVR into the other 2 female connections of the adapter.

Is that right? I want to make sure this works before I buy one.

As an alternative to the 1512, the PVR 2 Gaming Edition is $30 cheaper than the 1512 on Amazon at the moment, so that would be my first choice, But it looks like there is no supplied cable that is standard component R, G, B male on one end and the PVR 2's A/V input connector on the other. So it wouldn't work for what I want to do, unless there are 3rd party cables with standard component male connectors on one end, and the 1512's A/V connector on the other end.

Is that A/V connector on the back of the PVR 2 the same connector that is on the back of a PS3? If so, Monoprice sells a cable that has a PS3 connector on one end, and 5 male RCA plugs on the other (R, G, B, audio L, audio R.) It would cost less to buy the Gaming Edition and that cable than to buy the 1512, and would eliminate the need to use the 1512's component adapter.

Thanks for all the help provided for my other recent post, and I hope someone can answer these new questions.
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post #223 of 240
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

If I end up buying a PVR 2 to replace my 1212, I have a pre-purchase question. I use my current 1212 to record from a cable DVR connected to the 1212 via a standard R, G, B component cable. With the 1512, it looks like I could plug a standard component cable into the DVR, connect the other end of that cable into the R,G,B female inputs of the 1512's adapter cable (the one that has 5 female inputs), and connect the other end of that adapter to the A/V input of the 1512. For audio, I could connect the the DVR to the 1512 via the optical connectors, or use the stereo outs of the DVR into the other 2 female connections of the adapter.

Is that right? I want to make sure this works before I buy one.

As an alternative to the 1512, the PVR 2 Gaming Edition is $30 cheaper than the 1512 on Amazon at the moment, so that would be my first choice, But it looks like there is no supplied cable that is standard component R, G, B male on one end and the PVR 2's A/V input connector on the other. So it wouldn't work for what I want to do, unless there are 3rd party cables with standard component male connectors on one end, and the 1512's A/V connector on the other end.

Is that A/V connector on the back of the PVR 2 the same connector that is on the back of a PS3? If so, Monoprice sells a cable that has a PS3 connector on one end, and 5 male RCA plugs on the other (R, G, B, audio L, audio R.) It would cost less to buy the Gaming Edition and that cable than to buy the 1512, and would eliminate the need to use the 1512's component adapter.

Thanks for all the help provided for my other recent post, and I hope someone can answer these new questions.
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I have the HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition Plus and it comes with the breakout cable that you mentioned with female RCA plugs for component video and stereo analog audio, so all you need is some standard RCA cables with male connectors on each end to connect the device to the outputs of a device with component video output. Also in the box is a breakout cable that goes from 5 male RCA plugs to the PS3 connector. I'm assuming that the standard "HD PVR Gaming Edition" (not "Plus") uses the same component + audio breakout cable to interface with the PS3 calbe that the "Plus" version has, but don't know that for certain.

It should be noted, that the "Gaming Edition" (not "Plus") does not include an optical input. At the time that I purchased, I compared the "Gaming Edition Plus" with the standard "HD PVR 2" and the difference seems to be that the latter includes the IR Blaster and does not include the Mac capture software or the PS3 cable. I believe that the standard HD PVR 2 also includes a longer breakout cable to male RCA plugs rather than the short cable with female RCA plugs that is included in the Gaming Edition models to interface with the PS3 connector. The non "Plus" Gaming Edition omits the optical input and the Mac software and is the cheapest of the HD PVR 2 editions.

This chart compares the different editions:

http://hauppauge.com/site/products/prods_hd-recorders.html
post #224 of 240
Thanks Vampidemic. That explanation of the included cables helps. I'm currently looking into nikknightt's post about the possibility of my 1212's problem being power supply related (and a cheap fix, if that is the case).

In the meantime, I saw a Gaming Edition Plus at a local Best Buy store today. It was their last one and had a clearance sale price. (It is marked "Discontinued" in their system. According to the Hauppauge sales rep I contacted, it is discontinued by Best Buy, not by Hauppauge. She said Best Buy local stores are going to start selling the HD PVR Rocket instead). Since the clearance sale price was good (not great), and it was the last one they had, I bought it but won't open the package until I finish checking into the 1212 power supply possibility.
post #225 of 240
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

I have the HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition Plus and it comes with the breakout cable that you mentioned with female RCA plugs for component video and stereo analog audio, so all you need is some standard RCA cables with male connectors on each end to connect the device to the outputs of a device with component video output. Also in the box is a breakout cable that goes from 5 male RCA plugs to the PS3 connector. I'm assuming that the standard "HD PVR Gaming Edition" (not "Plus") uses the same component + audio breakout cable to interface with the PS3 calbe that the "Plus" version has, but don't know that for certain.
It should be noted, that the "Gaming Edition" (not "Plus") does not include an optical input. At the time that I purchased, I compared the "Gaming Edition Plus" with the standard "HD PVR 2" and the difference seems to be that the latter includes the IR Blaster and does not include the Mac capture software or the PS3 cable. I believe that the standard HD PVR 2 also includes a longer breakout cable to male RCA plugs rather than the short cable with female RCA plugs that is included in the Gaming Edition models to interface with the PS3 connector. The non "Plus" Gaming Edition omits the optical input and the Mac software and is the cheapest of the HD PVR 2 editions.
This chart compares the different editions:
http://hauppauge.com/site/products/prods_hd-recorders.html

Can you use HDMI 5.1 audio input from a DVR on the gamer 1480 edition?
post #226 of 240
Replace your power supply. I had similar symptoms with my 1212. Got a new power supply and have not had a problem since.
post #227 of 240

Hi,

 

Can anyone recommend a backend program for using the 1512 with XBMC. I am currently looking at NPVR, but I was wondering if anyone else has had a good experience with anything else. It seems that WMC is out due to lack of support. Argus doesn't list the 1512 as supported. MediaPortal does, but I am not sure that going through the installation is necessary just to use it as a backend with XBMC as the front end.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

post #228 of 240
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Originally Posted by bakerja View Post

Replace your power supply. I had similar symptoms with my 1212. Got a new power supply and have not had a problem since.
Where did you get a power supply? From Hauppauge or 3rd party vendor?
post #229 of 240
I opened a trouble ticket with hauppauge and they sent me one. I think it was Ray that helped me. Nice folks at hauppauge. A quick google search found this:

http://store.hauppauge.com/accessories2.asp?product=power_supply_hdpvr
post #230 of 240
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Originally Posted by bakerja View Post

I opened a trouble ticket with hauppauge and they sent me one. I think it was Ray that helped me. Nice folks at hauppauge. A quick google search found this:

http://store.hauppauge.com/accessories2.asp?product=power_supply_hdpvr

Did Ray send you one for free? That's why we have these forums. Share with people where & how you get problems solved..
Thanks..
post #231 of 240
To be honest I can't remember if it was free or if I gave him my credit card.
post #232 of 240
I'm thinking of upgrading to one of the PVR2's..
Since the HDMI 5.1 ac3 issues have been worked out ~ Is there any drawback to getting the Gaming Edition model 1408 ?? (no optical)
Thanks..
post #233 of 240
If I am feeding the output of my cable box via HDMI to the HD PVR 2 HDMI input, will I get 5.1 audio even if the video is copy protected? All I want is the audio. I can split the HDMI output of the cable box and send the video to my TV. But I want to process the audio on my PC for 5.1 headphone listening.

I am guessing if the incoming HDMI signal has copy protection, then I will not get video or audio.

I know I can just send the optical digital audio into the HD PVR 2, but I was hoping to use an HDMI switcher to support multiple sources into the HD PVR 2.

Now that I think of it, if I have to, I could use a Monoprice 4x1 HDMI switch with optical output. And then feed the optical output of the switch to the optical input of the HD PVR 2. Would that give me 5.1 audio on the PC?

I assume the HD PVR 2 will take Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 optical and decode it and feed it to my virtual sound card that supports 5.1/7.1?

I hope this makes sense. Basically I want to listen to 5.1 audio from my HDMI sources on my headphones.
post #234 of 240
If you use HDMI, your cable box should send HDCP which should block the signal (audio and video) under this use case. However, there are some HDMI splitters on the market which have an unadvertised feature that can solve this problem. :-)
Edited by Vampidemic - 4/17/14 at 12:41pm
post #235 of 240
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

However, there are some HDMI switches on the market which have an unadvertised feature that can solve this problem. :-)

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Originally Posted by darinf View Post

I assume the HD PVR 2 will take Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 optical and decode it and feed it to my virtual sound card that supports 5.1/7.1?
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Do you mean "switches" or "splitters"? There are splitters available that definitely split off HDCP.

I don't believe that the 1512 will handle DTS, just Dolby Digital. I did try an interesting experiment a short time ago feeding Dolby Digital Plus into the 1512 using Showbiz and using as a source video from the Dolby Digital Plus website. As I recorded using Showbiz there was no indication at all of incoming audio as I suspected. To my surprise the 1512 did record the video with the DD + soundtrack at the advanced bit rate which DD+ uses.
post #236 of 240
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post


Do you mean "switches" or "splitters"? There are splitters available that definitely split off HDCP.

I don't believe that the 1512 will handle DTS, just Dolby Digital. I did try an interesting experiment a short time ago feeding Dolby Digital Plus into the 1512 using Showbiz and using as a source video from the Dolby Digital Plus website. As I recorded using Showbiz there was no indication at all of incoming audio as I suspected. To my surprise the 1512 did record the video with the DD + soundtrack at the advanced bit rate which DD+ uses.

My apologies, yes, I meant HDMI splitters, not switches.
post #237 of 240
Thanks for the replies.

In order to get 5.1 audio I need either the 1512 or 1504 (Gaming Edition Plus) version, right? The 1480 (Gaming Edition) will not give me 5.1, from what I understand.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post that I want to listen to audio on my PC in real-time in 5.1. Is that possible? Will the HD PVR 2 give me live video/audio?

I read somewhere about having to run VLC in order to "stream" or view live video/audio from the HD PVR 2. Is that true? Actually I would prefer to run the video/audio through VLC. (My headphone audio processing software has a delay which I can compensate for using VLC.)

Thanks again for your help.
post #238 of 240
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Originally Posted by darinf View Post

Thanks for the replies.

In order to get 5.1 audio I need either the 1512 or 1504 (Gaming Edition Plus) version, right? The 1480 (Gaming Edition) will not give me 5.1, from what I understand.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post that I want to listen to audio on my PC in real-time in 5.1. Is that possible? Will the HD PVR 2 give me live video/audio?

I read somewhere about having to run VLC in order to "stream" or view live video/audio from the HD PVR 2. Is that true? Actually I would prefer to run the video/audio through VLC. (My headphone audio processing software has a delay which I can compensate for using VLC.)

Thanks again for your help.

No Hauppauge will record via HDMI protected content unless the HDCP copy protection is stripped off. Since you alluded earlier to getting (or using) a HDMI splitter, why don't you buy one that is known to strip HDCP and all your issues will be resolved.

I assume that the live video/audio you are describing is coming from a cable box; so, with the HDCP issue resolved via the prior paragraph, you're good to go. You can view via Hauppauge Capture or Arcsoft Showbiz on your PC, or pass it through to your TV. After it's recorded you can watch using VLC for example.

P.S. Do you sell high-end audio?
post #239 of 240
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

No Hauppauge will record via HDMI protected content unless the HDCP copy protection is stripped off. Since you alluded earlier to getting (or using) a HDMI splitter, why don't you buy one that is known to strip HDCP and all your issues will be resolved.

I assume that the live video/audio you are describing is coming from a cable box; so, with the HDCP issue resolved via the prior paragraph, you're good to go. You can view via Hauppauge Capture or Arcsoft Showbiz on your PC, or pass it through to your TV. After it's recorded you can watch using VLC for example.

P.S. Do you sell high-end audio?

Thanks for the info. Yes, I will get a splitter that removes HDCP, I hope. Yes, the source is a cable box.

Does Hauppauge Capture or Arcsoft Showbiz have any way to adjust the audio/video sync? (Like I said I need to compensate for the latency of my audio processing software.) I doubt it, but just thought I'd check. I need to search for online documentation of those apps.

FYI, I mostly sell virtual speaker headphone software that I developed. I also sell headphone gear. I am not sure I am allowed to actually link to my site, but you can google me, Darin Fong Audio.biggrin.gif
post #240 of 240
I bought a HD PVR 2 GE Plus locally today. (they didn't have a 1512 in stock)

I tried connecting the output of my Dune HD Max to the HD PVR 2 and the loop through output to my LCD TV is green. Basically everything that is supposed to be black is green. You can still see a picture, but it's just green.

Even then I was not able to get 5.1 I only got 2 ch audio. In Capture, I did uncheck the "Disable HDMI AC3 support" item. Do I need to change any other settings to enable 5.1 over HDMI?

Then I tried hooking up a WDTV media player and the signal I got in Capture was all magenta. Just like the Dune, but instead of green, everything is magenta. I also could not get 5.1 audio.

For other devices like my cable box or blu-ray players, they had HDCP enabled and I don't have my splitter yet. It should be here next week.

Any ideas on why I can't get a clean signal into the HD PVR2 or on the loop out into my LCD TV?

Is there some resolution setting I need to set? I have both the WDTV and Dune set to output 1080p. Something else?

Thanks for your help.
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