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post #91 of 248
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

I just watched an arcsoft vs hauppauge capture video on youtube. It does seem really cool to have the ability to directly integrate and record your game chat into the game audio with the new Hauppauge Capture software. I know that wasn't easily possible with the HD PVR without buying an audio mixer. has anyone recorded 5.1 HDMI audio via hauppauge capture? I would like to keep the ability to record my voice in the video. But if it's not possible, I could stick to ArcSoft as recording 5.1 HDMI while simultaneously playing the game in 5.1 over optical is my ultimate goal. I'm surprised I didn't see more of this hauppauge capture vs arcsoft in the review videos.


Can you please post the link?
post #92 of 248
the 2 vids I saw comparing were these (the first one is more detailed):

post #93 of 248
Question for those who downloaded the new software, what happens if you send it audio that isn't ac3 natively (like laserdisc or VHS)? Will it convert to AC-3? I would love an option on these to record uncompressed wav.
post #94 of 248
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

I have the 1212 and I am thinking of upgrading.. What are the differences between the Gamer Edition 1504 & PVR 2 model 1512 ?
The PVR 2 is about $15 cheaper on Amazon...

Did you ever decide what to do?
post #95 of 248
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Did you ever decide what to do?

I never did upgrade. Waiting for all the kinks to be worked out. (and $$$)
post #96 of 248
okay, finally got my hd pvr 2 model 1512... haven't had time to really put it through the paces. but a bit giddy to get some first impressions and questions out of the way...

1) is there any way to actually turn this off without unplugging it? I don't see a power button. and I know it's on because of the glowing light.

2) is there a way to record without preview? on the original hd pvr, you could turn off preview which improved performance.

3) did a quick run through both recording programs (arcsoft vs hauppauge capture). maybe it's because I'm so used to the original arcsoft software that came with the original hd pvr. maybe it's because it exposes a lot more settings for you to play with (mostly this reason). but I think I'll stick with the arcsoft software at least until I see if the hauppauge capture can have a better workflow.

the problem i see with the hauppauge capture is there are very little settings to choose from. maybe this program is simpler to compete with the simplicity of the competitors like the elgato? but I like having lots of settings because I usually edit the heck out of the video. I do like the mic integration but I think I'll just record the audio separately and have multiple audio tracks which gives me more flexibility.

one neat thing about the built-in mic mixer is that it's automatically timing delayed. which means there won't be such a gap between your chat and your friends' chat. I noticed when I recorded separately, when I didn't consider the latency between when I speak and when my friend over the Internet hears me and responds and his audio gets sent back over, there'd be a significant gap in response which is annoying.

4) yes, I am able to record in 5.1 hdmi and still retain use of my 5.1 optical audio for my gaming headset! this was my big question since I need to be able to play in surround sound. I simply record the 5.1 audio via hdmi and also have an optical cable leading from the xbox to my headset.
post #97 of 248
The light will go off when you shut down or put to sleep your (in my case) pc.
post #98 of 248
wow...

I guess that'll be an issue since my desktop runs 24/7... hmmm...
post #99 of 248
Put your pc to sleep momentarily, wait till the light goes out. Pull the usb cable from pc and then wake the pc.
post #100 of 248
PC recording is pretty darn good with this recorder. My PC is ancient by any measure and I didn't get dropped frames because of the recording process. It's a shame that you can't record higher than 30 fps though. Maybe in a year or so, 60 fps recorders will become affordable.
post #101 of 248
First of let me start of my saying you can record PC and Xbox/Ps with a HD PVR2 in HD quality, the programme in that video is know as hauppauge capture and it's new you can find it here: http://hauppauge.co.uk/site/capture/index.html this beats the default programme by far and I'd suggest this to anyone, the HD PVR2 is a great device it's easy to set up and is light on your PC spec making it easy to run even on the not so good pcs, it's always updated and comes with step by step guides in case you struggle to set up or anything else you may encounter, The device software is also MAC friendly which is something alot of gamers look for, well I hope you take a in-depth look at this device it's done me great.
post #102 of 248
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Originally Posted by GamingTips View Post

First of let me start of my saying you can record PC and Xbox/Ps with a HD PVR2 in HD quality, the programme in that video is know as hauppauge capture and it's new you can find it here: http://hauppauge.co.uk/site/capture/index.html this beats the default programme by far and I'd suggest this to anyone, the HD PVR2 is a great device it's easy to set up and is light on your PC spec making it easy to run even on the not so good pcs, it's always updated and comes with step by step guides in case you struggle to set up or anything else you may encounter, The device software is also MAC friendly which is something alot of gamers look for, well I hope you take a in-depth look at this device it's done me great.

In your opinion how is the new Hauppauge Capture software better than the Arcsoft?
I tried the new HC app and didn't like it. I didn't see where you can time a recording and there isn't a way to monitor the incoming audio. (whether it's 5.1 or 2.0)
post #103 of 248
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

PC recording is pretty darn good with this recorder. My PC is ancient by any measure and I didn't get dropped frames because of the recording process. It's a shame that you can't record higher than 30 fps though. Maybe in a year or so, 60 fps recorders will become affordable.


Are you noticing flicker at 30fps? Isn't video recorded at 30fps and movies at 24fps? It seems that this could be more of an issue for movies. I'm not too well versed in the Hauppauge capture program, but either in the 'settings' section or the 'advanced' section there is a setting for frame rate and one of the settings is to match the incoming frame rate. I haven't tried this with a 1080p60 stream, however.
post #104 of 248
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Put your pc to sleep momentarily, wait till the light goes out. Pull the usb cable from pc and then wake the pc.

thanks for the tip! it works (but inelegant). Hauppauge should put in some software switch at least to turn off the device since there's no physical switch. Or maybe change the driver so that when you unplug the USB plug, it turns off the device.
post #105 of 248
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Are you noticing flicker at 30fps? Isn't video recorded at 30fps and movies at 24fps? It seems that this could be more of an issue for movies. I'm not too well versed in the Hauppauge capture program, but either in the 'settings' section or the 'advanced' section there is a setting for frame rate and one of the settings is to match the incoming frame rate. I haven't tried this with a 1080p60 stream, however.

I haven't tried doing any external device like a Bluray player.

However, if you're recording from a console like the Xbox 360 or from the PC, both of those are automatically 30 fps or 60 fps. PC monitors can't be set below 60 Hz. Graphics drivers automatically anticipate playing movie content at 60 Hz. I always set my recording to 60 fps. If I'm recording 1080p, I let the Hauppauge do the 60 -> 30 conversion. I haven't noticed any flickering on my PC recordings.
post #106 of 248
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

I'm not too well versed in the Hauppauge capture program, but either in the 'settings' section or the 'advanced' section there is a setting for frame rate and one of the settings is to match the incoming frame rate. I haven't tried this with a 1080p60 stream, however.


Forget it. It dpesn't work.
post #107 of 248
do you guys use the default editors that come with the hd pvr 2? either arcsoft or hauppauge capture? any instructions? I've dabbled in them and in my extremely brief time, they're awful for editing footage. Maybe I'm doing things wrong with them but I can't develop a good workflow from them. I guess if the only edit you want to do is to trim the ends, they're adequate. but chop up multiple segments mid-video and they're awful.

Maybe I'm spoiled by Adobe Premiere and VideoReDo. I was hoping I could use the included editors to preserve as much of the original recordings versus re-encoding them in one of my regular editors.
post #108 of 248
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

do you guys use the default editors that come with the hd pvr 2? either arcsoft or hauppauge capture? any instructions? I've dabbled in them and in my extremely brief time, they're awful for editing footage. Maybe I'm doing things wrong with them but I can't develop a good workflow from them. I guess if the only edit you want to do is to trim the ends, they're adequate. but chop up multiple segments mid-video and they're awful.
Maybe I'm spoiled by Adobe Premiere and VideoReDo. I was hoping I could use the included editors to preserve as much of the original recordings versus re-encoding them in one of my regular editors.

I used Arcsoft TME to edit when I first bought a 1212 yrs ago. It sucked for editing so I got a copy of VideoRedo V4.
It's easy, fast & doesn't re-encode my m2ts or ts files..

Although Tsmuxer is generally used for muxing files into avchd or BD ~ It will also cut or split files quick n easy. And it's free.
post #109 of 248
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

do you guys use the default editors that come with the hd pvr 2? either arcsoft or hauppauge capture? any instructions? I've dabbled in them and in my extremely brief time, they're awful for editing footage. Maybe I'm doing things wrong with them but I can't develop a good workflow from them. I guess if the only edit you want to do is to trim the ends, they're adequate. but chop up multiple segments mid-video and they're awful.

Maybe I'm spoiled by Adobe Premiere and VideoReDo. I was hoping I could use the included editors to preserve as much of the original recordings versus re-encoding them in one of my regular editors.


I think the trick to using Showbiz for editing is to do ALL of your trims before hitting the 'OK' button. When I did my multiple trims one at a time (followed each time by pressing 'OK') I got no joy and much grief..

I've pretty much given up on Hauppauge's new capture program since you cannot time recordings and it gives no information on the incoming audio stream(5.1, stereo, etc.), Also no choice among .ts, m2ts and mp4. like Showbiz provides.
post #110 of 248
yeah, another reason to use .ts or .m2ts over .mp4 is if you use a video editor.

when you record with the mp4 container, the video can result in variable frame rate. the video will play fine in software players which anticipate that the video might have variable frame rate instead of constant frame rate. But if you use video editors, they do not like variable frame rate videos at all. you'll end up with audio/video synchronization problems. This problem isn't restricted to the Hauppauge. I read details about it in other forums like Avermedia. In fact, all iPhone video is variable frame rate as well. With .ts, it will always (as far as I can tell) be constant frame rate.

I also use VideoReDo and their tech support says their product doesn't support variable frame rate. So my two big editors (Adobe Premiere and VideoRedo fail on variable frame rate videos.

Be advised is that if you work Handbrake into your workflow, make sure you choose constant frame rate as your option! Do not choose the variable frame rate option! Note that I'm talking about frame rate and not bitrate. Two entirely different issues.

I was hoping to be able to record in mp4 so that I could easily edit in Adobe Premiere since Premiere doesn't support .ts files. But that hope is dashed. I did read that this may be a function of CPU power and/or encoder power. As people who recorded MP4 videos at 720P were less likely to produce variable frame rate videos. It was mostly people who recorded 1080p30.

I think I agree on the use of Showbiz to record. I have a better sense of what it's doing (like what you said about information about the incoming audio).

If I ever need the live streaming (which I doubt I'll ever do this), then I know to use Hauppauge Capture. But it's Showbiz for me.
post #111 of 248
Heard back from Hauppauge...

They say that if you want ac3 encoding from a PCM source (like VHS/laserdisc/etc), you have to keep the 1212. They won't pay for the encoding on any other version.

I thought that was a software issue but clearly it's not.

That sucks. frown.gif
post #112 of 248
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Heard back from Hauppauge...

They say that if you want ac3 encoding from a PCM source (like VHS/laserdisc/etc), you have to keep the 1212. They won't pay for the encoding on any other version.

I thought that was a software issue but clearly it's not.

That sucks. frown.gif


So the encoding will be AAC? Is there an audible difference between AAC and 2-channel AC-3?
post #113 of 248
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Heard back from Hauppauge...

They say that if you want ac3 encoding from a PCM source (like VHS/laserdisc/etc), you have to keep the 1212. They won't pay for the encoding on any other version.

I thought that was a software issue but clearly it's not.

That sucks. frown.gif

if you're going to be recording old sources, you're going to want to use the original HD PVR anyway because it supports S-VIdeo input. The HD PVR 2 only supports HDMI, component, and composite. And S-Video is a nice step up over composite.
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post #115 of 248
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Check this out.http://www.hauppauge.com/site/webstore2/webstore_avcable-svideo.asp

very interesting. did not know that. thanks!
post #116 of 248
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

if you're going to be recording old sources, you're going to want to use the original HD PVR anyway because it supports S-VIdeo input. The HD PVR 2 only supports HDMI, component, and composite. And S-Video is a nice step up over composite.

Incorrect.

S-Video from a laserdisc player is, many times, worse than composite.

Also, I have other sources besides VHS and laserdisc that I need to archive.
post #117 of 248
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Incorrect.

S-Video from a laserdisc player is, many times, worse than composite.

Also, I have other sources besides VHS and laserdisc that I need to archive.

this seems like a very odd statement. Is this with your laserdisc player? Because S-Video should look better. The idea that laserdisc looks worse with S-Video kind of intrigued me so I looked it up:

http://www.blam1.com/LaserDisc/FAQ/

8.2 Does S-video output improve the picture quality?
Usually yes.

An S-Video cable is a cable that can send the luminance and chrominance as separate signals from an LD player to a TV set. Because the video signal on LDs is composite video, there is in principle no sense in using an S-Video cable to connect your LD player to your TV set.

However, if the LD player does some clever tricks to the video signal before transmitting it, like noise reduction, it has to separate the luminance and chrominance information anyway, and it is saner to keep them that way all the way to the TV set. Also, if the comb filter of an LD player having an S-Video connector is better than the one in your TV set (which is very usual), it is wise to use the S-Video cable.

So, if you use an S-Video cable between your LD player and TV set, you will lose only if the player does no clever image manipulating and your TV set has a better comb filter than your LD player. The only case of this I know of is the European 16:9 TV set Philips 32PW9781, which has the best 3-dimensional comb filters I've ever seen (it also has a built-in line-interpolator, which is roughly an equivalent of a line-doubler).
post #118 of 248
I frequently have seen mentioned that "S-Video from a laserdisc player is, many times, worse than composite". I don't recall the specifics though. Perhaps most LD players, except the very high end models, have crappy comb filters.
post #119 of 248
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

I frequently have seen mentioned that "S-Video from a laserdisc player is, many times, worse than composite". I don't recall the specifics though. Perhaps most LD players, except the very high end models, have crappy comb filters.

Correct. The only time I ever see someone suggest s-video for a laserdisc player is usually when someone hasn't done the research. smile.gif
post #120 of 248
Hello - I have been trying to connect my 1512 to system via hdmi with the use a an hdmi splitter. This was my setup before 1512:

STB > receiver > tv all using hdmi.

With the 1512 it looks like this:

STB > 1x2 switch > 1512 \ receiver > tv.

The problem is for this to work requires that keep my receiver on which is a nonstarter. I know I can use component but are there my solutions that will allow me to use hdmi without leaving my receiver on?
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