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post #61 of 112
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monoprice cables are crap, i ordered 3 sets of RCA cables from them, none of them would fit on the stereo, so i try to wiggle it around a bit to see if could get it on and the damn connector on the cable broke, figured it was a fluke so i try the next one, same damn thing it also broke junk. pure junk..
post #62 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

monoprice cables are crap, i ordered 3 sets of RCA cables from them, none of them would fit on the stereo, so i try to wiggle it around a bit to see if could get it on and the damn connector on the cable broke, figured it was a fluke so i try the next one, same damn thing it also broke junk. pure junk..

I think you ought to distinguish between "monoprice cables are crap" and " monoprice sells some cables that worked like crap for me".

Every cable I've ever obtained from them has been excellent and I've ordered more than a few. Of course I didn't buy the cheapest thing they sell, and if it showed up and didn't fit onto my equipment, I suspect I've got the hand-and-eye coordination to keep it numbers of them from being destroyed by my investigations.
post #63 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

monoprice cables are crap, i ordered 3 sets of RCA cables from them, none of them would fit on the stereo, so i try to wiggle it around a bit to see if could get it on and the damn connector on the cable broke, figured it was a fluke so i try the next one, same damn thing it also broke junk. pure junk..

Bull. If you had a problem with 3 sets of cables from Monoprice, maybe the issue wasn't the cable/connector, but perhaps the individual inserting the cable(s).

I've purchased many cables from Monoprice (optical, coax, component, HDMI) and other accessories (coax to optical converters) for myself, friends and family and never had one issue/problem.

Good news though.... their cables have a lifetime warranty.
post #64 of 112
Thread Starter 
i have never ever broke a connector on a cable before, the connectors on these cable are defective. i have 3.00 cables that are over 20 years old and they are still fine. i have some other cables that are over 10 years old that have been put on taken off thins loads of time yet as i try to slide these cables on my stereo they bust pretty much instantly, it is not user error, it is a defective connector. those things should spread apart and bend easily not snap off.

i had one set of New RCA cables short out on me after a few weeks for no reason, o hooked the up and never touched them and one day the speaker quit, wiggles some wires around and found it was the RCA cable,

than i ordered a set of monster cables, when i got them the box was open and the plastic was unscrewed from one of the connectors, the wire inside was all jacked up so i had to send those back and i ordered these and they broke. i am extremely upset right now. i am about to stick one of the 3.00 cables on there and say screw it.


Edited by dannylightning - 3/7/13 at 8:41am
post #65 of 112
Me thinks that it is just your opinion. Never once have I had issues with Monoprice cables. But hey, it is your choice to keep buying those overpriced crap Monster cables, which are really nothing more than the same cables that monoprice is selling, which are not crap.
post #66 of 112
LOL.... you just have bad luck with cables I guess Use the $3.00 20 year old cables. They should be fine and save you aggrevation. tongue.gif
post #67 of 112
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i just went and looked at the reviews for these monoprice cables and guess what, the fist 4 or 5 reviewers said the cables had issues and i also saw some one who had them bust, just like mine did, that was enough reading, i wish i would have read those reviews before i ordered the things.
post #68 of 112
I think you need instructions on how to insert a connector.
post #69 of 112
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i called the place that i bought the shorted out cables from, i threw out the package so i did not think they would exchange them, looks like i got them on 2-2-2013 just over a month ago, i told him i thew out the package and he said he will exchange them for me. so Saturday i hope to hell i will have a good working set of descent RCA cables.. its just so frustrating and irritating, i have never had a issue with a cable before and now i cant seem to get a descent working set of RCA cables. i swear i have the worst luck sometimes
post #70 of 112
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i called the place that i bought the shorted out cables from

How do you know they're shorted, could be open.
post #71 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

i just went and looked at the reviews for these monoprice cables and guess what, the fist 4 or 5 reviewers said the cables had issues and i also saw some one who had them bust, just like mine did, that was enough reading, i wish i would have read those reviews before i ordered the things.
4 or 5 out of hundreds if not thousands that use monoprice's cables. Also remember that most of those that state negative opinions are paid by the competition to post the negative reviews.

I trust opinions of others on reviews as much as I trust the college drop out on tv doing the weather.
post #72 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

i called the place that i bought the shorted out cables from, i threw out the package so i did not think they would exchange them, looks like i got them on 2-2-2013 just over a month ago, i told him i thew out the package and he said he will exchange them for me. so Saturday i hope to hell i will have a good working set of descent RCA cables.. its just so frustrating and irritating, i have never had a issue with a cable before and now i cant seem to get a descent working set of RCA cables. i swear i have the worst luck sometimes
If you had a short, you would have blown something on the circuit board, or a fuse.
post #73 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

i just went and looked at the reviews for these monoprice cables and guess what, the fist 4 or 5 reviewers said the cables had issues and i also saw some one who had them bust, just like mine did, that was enough reading, i wish i would have read those reviews before i ordered the things.
What about the other 115 or so positive reviews? Also take note... the Monoprice Admin was more than willing to look into the complaints and replace.

EDIT:
Also look around for reviews on Mon$ter cables. They are notorious for RCA connectors being to "tight/snug".

Like a new bride, inserting cables takes finesse and gentleness sometimes. You just don't shove 'em in and expect satisfaction. tongue.gif
Edited by Ratman - 3/7/13 at 10:14am
post #74 of 112
I don't know, Ratman. They cancelled the Virgin's Day parade in NYC. One got sick and the other one didn't want to march without her friend. Maybe you're thinking of Taylor Swift.
post #75 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

monoprice cables are crap, i ordered 3 sets of RCA cables from them, none of them would fit on the stereo, so i try to wiggle it around a bit to see if could get it on and the damn connector on the cable broke, figured it was a fluke so i try the next one, same damn thing it also broke junk. pure junk..

That's a quality control issue, not a performance issue. It doesn't change the fact that a working monoprice cable will give you the exact same audio performance as a fancy cable costing hundreds or thousands of times more. If you don't like monoprice, try bluejeans cable. They're not much more expensive, will sound the same, and they're nice and sturdy and they fit everything I've thrown at them.

If you do go for the expensive cables, don't forget to make sure you plug them in the right way. If you plug in a $50 RCA cable backwards, the electrons will flow in the wrong direction.
post #76 of 112
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Maybe you're thinking of Taylor Swift.
Nah.... but at least she can write a new song about her heartbreak and make more money.

Next song title:
"His Connector Breaks, But Not My Heart" biggrin.gif
post #77 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

Hi Danny,

I've bought 15 sets of those exact same cables, and yes, they are very tight. I consider that a good thing. I haven't had one break on me, however, but I can see how it could happen. I just push them in, straight, while twisting.


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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

Like a new bride, inserting cables takes finesse and gentleness sometimes. . . tongue.gif
Hmmmm . . . I've never tried those cables on a new bride . . . I wonder if she would like them . . .
post #78 of 112
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

I think you ought to distinguish between "monoprice cables are crap" and " monoprice sells some cables that worked like crap for me".

Every cable I've ever obtained from them has been excellent and I've ordered more than a few. Of course I didn't buy the cheapest thing they sell, and if it showed up and didn't fit onto my equipment, I suspect I've got the hand-and-eye coordination to keep it numbers of them from being destroyed by my investigations.

+1 or maybe even way more than +1

My own experience with ordering anything from monoprice has always been excellent.
post #79 of 112
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Originally Posted by dannylightning View Post

it looks like i will be sticking with the coaxial cable, i think there is a pretty noticeable difference for the better with the coaxial over the optical cables.

FWIW that's been my own experience. My vote goes to using coax RCA for SPDIF in/out for best stereo digital sound quality. And top quality cables can be gotten

For any digital unit to unit interface.

Maybe asynchronous USB now betters that, but I've yet to visit asynchronous USB.
post #80 of 112
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

He will have to read them with his ears. smile.gif Any theory must be proven to his ears because that is all he trusts. Thats what he said.
That can be accomplished if he is willing. He needs to be part of a DBT listening test to compare the cable he thinks makes an audible difference. Rather simple.
post #81 of 112
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maybe it was just a bad batch of connectors

i did some switching around different sets of RCA cables including the bottom of the barrel junk cables, each one seems to sound different to me. maybe not any better or worse than the next for the most part but different. the junk cables sound close to the same as some of the better RCA cables, all you will say i am full of crap and my buddy though i was retarded so we did a test........

i went over to his place and i brought a CD i have heard a million times he switched between 2 sets of RCA cables and played the same song every time, he also thinks all cables sound the same, but to his surprise every time he switched them or told me he switched them i was able to tell him which set of rca cables he used. the monster cable had deeper bass and crisper treble but the mid range sounded flat and dead. he had another nice looking set of RCA cables he did not now what brand they were and it did not say on the cable, this cable had lively mids and sounded well balanced all the way around. now here comes the best part, he threw in a 3rd set of RCA cables and when he put those on i said those don't sound exactly like either of the Cables you have been playing and he cursed a bit and said there not there a set of junk cables that came with a DVD player he got or something like that...

every time he switched to the monster cables i could hear those flat dead sounding mids. when he said he switched the cables but did not switch the cables i still could tell which set of cables it was. due to the fact that i could not only hear a difference but i could pick out which set of RCA cables he was using i am going to halve to say some cables do make a difference. and i will say none of them have been terrible and they have all sounded close except for that monster cable with the flat midrange

so our testing proves that i can inface hear a difference from set of cables to set of cables. if you guys cant hear a difference than sorry about your ears and you should not be so grumpy and negative when some one says these things make a difference, to be honest i think this will be my last post here at the AVS forums, i am a member of several forums and i have never seen a place with this many grumpy A holes that think they know everything and are so closed minded that they cant accept other people views or opinions.

GOOD Bye..
post #82 of 112
C'ya..... enjoy your cables.
post #83 of 112
It is possible for faulty/poorly designed hardware to sound different when using different cables.
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Originally Posted by http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/testing-methods.html 
A friend built an amp and was raving how it was so detailed he could finally hear differences in RCA interconnect cables. I was skeptical so we measured it and found out it was unstable and ringing (partly oscillating) to varying degrees depending on the input cable capacitance. So his cables did indeed sound different because they caused the amp to produce different amounts of ultrasonic garbage! We traced the problem to a poor ground scheme for the input stage and jacks.

The funny (sad?) part of the story is he seemed disappointed once the grounding was fixed and the amp stopped oscillating. He thought he was onto something great. He heard the severe instability as being "different" and hence "better". It's interesting (sad?) how misleading "designing by ear" can be with all the psychological biases that are typically present.

If everything is working correctly, there is no difference between cables.
post #84 of 112
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It is possible for faulty/poorly designed hardware to sound different when using different cables.
True. In fact, I see four possibilities here:

1) There is something wrong with the cables.

2) There is something wrong with the components being connected by the cables

3) There is something wrong with the experiment.

4) Danny has just broken new scientific ground.

The task of determining the least likely of these scenarios is left to the reader.
post #85 of 112
Danny, it is called the "Placebo" affect. It is like stating that Exxon gas is better than shell, even though you see the same truck that just delivered gas at Exxon over at the Shell station 30 minutes later.
post #86 of 112
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

It's basically impossible for a fancy USB cable to make any difference over a standard one.
I would hope that you haven't noticed any difference with HDMI cables.
Doesn't matter on the system, or how good your hearing supposedly is.


It's also true that most amplifiers sound the same if they have a flat frequency response, low noise floor, reasonably low distortion, high input impedance, low output impedance, and are not clipped. All but the cheapest amps should be capable of this today. As long as the levels are matched you will not be able to tell the difference between a cheap amplifier and the most expensive amplifier in properly conducted ABX testing. Same thing goes for speaker cables.

If you are hearing a difference, it's not the cables or the amplifier. It's between your ears.
Big time BS!
post #87 of 112
esh, why do even bother and come to this forum. You seem to just get frustrated. The majority opinion here is that cables do not make a difference. You know that. Why dont you just go to Audiogon's forum, or one of the other audiophile discussion groups?
post #88 of 112
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Big time BS!

Make this your signature, a warning so to speak wink.gif
post #89 of 112
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

It's basically impossible for a fancy USB cable to make any difference over a standard one.
I would hope that you haven't noticed any difference with HDMI cables.
Doesn't matter on the system, or how good your hearing supposedly is.


It's also true that most amplifiers sound the same if they have a flat frequency response, low noise floor, reasonably low distortion, high input impedance, low output impedance, and are not clipped. All but the cheapest amps should be capable of this today. As long as the levels are matched you will not be able to tell the difference between a cheap amplifier and the most expensive amplifier in properly conducted ABX testing. Same thing goes for speaker cables.

If you are hearing a difference, it's not the cables or the amplifier. It's between your ears.
Big time BS!

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt! ;-)
post #90 of 112
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Originally Posted by jdcrox View Post

esh, why do even bother and come to this forum. You seem to just get frustrated. The majority opinion here is that cables do not make a difference. You know that. Why dont you just go to Audiogon's forum, or one of the other audiophile discussion groups?

Well your right..I have been spending too much time here spinning my wheels,when I could have been spending that time listening to music!.. Its not that I am trying to make you a believer,I'm not,we all have our own opinions on this topic,but never in my 50 yrs have I come across this many people that do not believe in good cables,even parasound was using straight wire interconnects & power cords at c.e.s. this year!... I respect your beliefs, I just do not at all in a million yrs believe in them..my cables ..yes all of them,have been a great upgrade in my system. Just enjoy the music!.... With whatever cables you use!
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