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post #211 of 790
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A couple of guys I work with do the MMA thing, they are some tough SOB's. Another friend who was a college wrestler (also tough SOB) was talking one of them on in a submission fight (no ref or anything, just doing it for a workout) and the MMA guy choked out the wrestler multiple times. The thing is the wrestler refused to tap out and if the other guy didn't let up would have just gone unconscious multiple times. I was just glad he didn't get put in an arm bar or ankle lock or something like that because I still don't think he would have tapped.

Not a fair fight, the though, the wrestler is much smaller.

Choking people out is awesome. That said, I have ZERO problem tapping out (and do it regularly I might add). It baffles me how some people think by not tapping is an indicator of toughness.

Back on point, you get all 8 built yet or what?
post #212 of 790
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Choking people out is awesome. That said, I have ZERO problem tapping out (and do it regularly I might add). It baffles me how some people think by not tapping is an indicator of toughness.

Back on point, you get all 8 built yet or what?

Haha, I'm tapping out just thinking about it.

Ok, pec is much better today - long from healed of course - but good enough to get back to work. I did some more gluing and I'm down to one more outer baffle and that's it, time to sand and duratex!! Home stretch....
post #213 of 790
Have you decided on your final layout of the 8? Or are you going to wait till you have them all running before you worry about it?
post #214 of 790
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Thanks Austin!! biggrin.gif

No prob man. Good talking to you.
post #215 of 790
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Have you decided on your final layout of the 8? Or are you going to wait till you have them all running before you worry about it?

It's looking like 2 stacked in each front corner and 2 stacked on each side under the side surrounds but I'm going to do some more measuring. I just HAVE to try all 8 up front, 4 stacked in each corner, couldn't live with myself if I didn't.

Well, I finished gluing, spackling, sanding, and duratex. Man this is time consuming.

My Duratex skills are getting better, also I think having a nap roller makes it much easier than the foam roller. These shots all have very bright direct light, so if they can look ok like this they will be fine in the basement for sure. Still not perfect of course, but I'm happy with it.










post #216 of 790
Man those things are just badass. And that is a great pic for referencing their size. Looking good on the duratex finish.
post #217 of 790
Outstanding.

Shouldn't be long at all now!

I think you are going to be very pleased man. What's the status of your miniDSP? Did it show up already?
Edited by popalock - 3/17/13 at 11:14pm
post #218 of 790
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Thanks guys, I'm kinda bummed I thought I'd get them fired up today. Oh well, spring break this week so other than track practice and meets I've got a lot of free time.

I just got around to ordering the minidsp yesterday - thanks to Kevin. I wouldn't have even been able to figure out how to order one from the site without him showing me how to do it. It's almost like they don't want to sell any, it's very confusing.
post #219 of 790
What's the brand and nap of the roller you're using?
post #220 of 790
carrrrrrrrrrrp

those look REALLY good.
post #221 of 790
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Whizz - wall and ceilings 3/8 inch nap, got it at Lowes.

Nothing fancy, but man so much easier to not have roller lines. I didn't get the roller from the website that you buy Duratex from, so I can't say how it compares to that but compared to a normal foam roller it's no contest.
post #222 of 790
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carrrrrrrrrrrp

those look REALLY good.

Thanks buddy. Yeah, the 2nd batch came out better than the first and I thought the first round was acceptable.
post #223 of 790
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Whizz - wall and ceilings 3/8 inch nap, got it at Lowes.

Nothing fancy, but man so much easier to not have roller lines. I didn't get the roller from the website that you buy Duratex from, so I can't say how it compares to that but compared to a normal foam roller it's no contest.
Those look great carp. Did you water it down any or just dunk and go?
post #224 of 790
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No water. I did 2 coats this time. The first 3 I did with the foam roller and they looked like crap on that first coat. The 4th I used the nap roller on the first and second coat. All look good after coat 2 with the nap roller but the 4th looks a little better.

I can already tell it's going to bug me that I won't have my ceiling to floor subs up in the front corners guys. I really like having 1 sub under each side surround for smoothing out the room though, so I'm thinking eventually I'll get 2 more and have 8 up front and 2 rears for a total of 10. It's not that crazy right, just 2 more?

That and I'll I'd need to add as far as amps go is just an ep4000 for the rears and the CV can handle all the up front subs.

I thought about 6 up front and 2 rears so I don't need any more subs, but that doesn't work as well with my CV right? So there, I have no choice. tongue.gifsmile.gif



Of course all this depends on how everything measures when I start experimenting with 8 (and playing with the minidsp), just thinking aloud here.
post #225 of 790
nice try.

3 per side up front would work just fine with an EP4000 powering the back. The overall load would be about 3ohm per channel so you would actually get a bit more power delivery to three subs at 3 ohm than you would get to four subs at 2 ohm.

here is a wiring schematic!
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-nDL12D6zSnM/learn/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html

To determine CV5000 3ohm rating
1800 (4ohm rating per channel) + 2500 watt (2ohm rating per channel = 4300 watts / 2 = ~2150 watts per channel at 3ohm.

2150 watts per channel / 3 subs per channel at 3 ohm load = 716 watts per sub.

2500 watts per channel /4 subs per channel at 2 ohm load = 625 watts per sub.




But hey --- who am I to say you can't buy more? tongue.gif Just don't try to convince yourself you need more by the math - cause it's not in your favor. wink.gif
post #226 of 790
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Thanks buddy. Yeah, the 2nd batch came out better than the first and I thought the first round was acceptable.

I had a similar experience. First box I used the roller from the site. Second box I used a nap roller and felt the finish was much more to my liking.

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No water. I did 2 coats this time. The first 3 I did with the foam roller and they looked like crap on that first coat. The 4th I used the nap roller on the first and second coat. All look good after coat 2 with the nap roller but the 4th looks a little better.

I can already tell it's going to bug me that I won't have my ceiling to floor subs up in the front corners guys. I really like having 1 sub under each side surround for smoothing out the room though, so I'm thinking eventually I'll get 2 more and have 8 up front and 2 rears for a total of 10. It's not that crazy right, just 2 more?

That and I'll I'd need to add as far as amps go is just an ep4000 for the rears and the CV can handle all the up front subs.

I thought about 6 up front and 2 rears so I don't need any more subs, but that doesn't work as well with my CV right? So there, I have no choice. tongue.gifsmile.gif

Of course all this depends on how everything measures when I start experimenting with 8 (and playing with the minidsp), just thinking aloud here.

Or... 4 More subs.

Run the four (double stacked in the rear) off of the CV to get the max usage from your amp (2,500wpc) and grow some ballz and scoop up a Clone to run the front 8... Just sayin'...

biggrin.gif
post #227 of 790
X5 - looking great Carp! Duratex for sure takes getting used to and only gets better with experience.

Why not try all 8 up front first and see how they measure/sound?
post #228 of 790
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

X5 - looking great Carp! Duratex for sure takes getting used to and only gets better with experience.

Why not try all 8 up front first and see how they measure/sound?

1+

Plus you should do it for the picture epicness...lol
post #229 of 790
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

nice try.

3 per side up front would work just fine with an EP4000 powering the back. The overall load would be about 3ohm per channel so you would actually get a bit more power delivery to three subs at 3 ohm than you would get to four subs at 2 ohm.

here is a wiring schematic!
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-nDL12D6zSnM/learn/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html

To determine CV5000 3ohm rating
1800 (4ohm rating per channel) + 2500 watt (2ohm rating per channel = 4300 watts / 2 = ~2150 watts per channel at 3ohm.

2150 watts per channel / 3 subs per channel at 3 ohm load = 716 watts per sub.

2500 watts per channel /4 subs per channel at 2 ohm load = 625 watts per sub.




But hey --- who am I to say you can't buy more? tongue.gif Just don't try to convince yourself you need more by the math - cause it's not in your favor. wink.gif

Oh cool, didn't know that would work. This may very well be what I end up doing. As far as looks I like stacking as many as possible in the front corners, but not so much under the surround speakers. One sub under each says end table, stacking them in that spot says I have a problem and need help. In the end however it won't be looks that wins out, I'll go with what measures/sounds better.
post #230 of 790
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I had a similar experience. First box I used the roller from the site. Second box I used a nap roller and felt the finish was much more to my liking.
Or... 4 More subs.

Run the four (double stacked in the rear) off of the CV to get the max usage from your amp (2,500wpc) and grow some ballz and scoop up a Clone to run the front 8... Just sayin'...

biggrin.gif

I think the only way I would buy a clone would be used off another member so I know it will work. The problem is no one ever sells a working clone... except MK Theater - maybe I should just let him know that when he decides to sell his 2nd one I'll buy it.
post #231 of 790
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X5 - looking great Carp! Duratex for sure takes getting used to and only gets better with experience.

Why not try all 8 up front first and see how they measure/sound?

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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

1+

Plus you should do it for the picture epicness...lol


I will try this for sure, that was my original plan - 4 stacked from floor to ceiling in the front corners. The problem with 3 stacked is only part of the top sub would show the rest is blocked by my mains. I think I know what's going to happen though, I'll have that dip in the upper mid bass - seems I have that unless I put subs back by the surround speakers.
post #232 of 790
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I think the only way I would buy a clone would be used off another member so I know it will work. The problem is no one ever sells a working clone... except MK Theater - maybe I should just let him know that when he decides to sell his 2nd one I'll buy it.

I feel the same way. smile.gif
post #233 of 790
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

X5 - looking great Carp! Duratex for sure takes getting used to and only gets better with experience.

Why not try all 8 up front first and see how they measure/sound?

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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

1+

Plus you should do it for the picture epicness...lol

I agree and fully endorse this message.
post #234 of 790
Carp,

Absolutely beautiful work...I love what Duratex does!
Your cabs look beautiful !!!!
Congrats and hope you enjoy the sh!t outta them!
post #235 of 790
Nice looking finish on the enclosures! biggrin.gif
post #236 of 790
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

One sub under each says end table [six up front], stacking [two] in that spot says I have a problem and need help.


Too late. I think you already passed that marker when you bought EIGHT EIGHTEENS for a 3500 cubic foot room. biggrin.gif

NOTE. The Dolby Atmos Theater in North Kansas city - one of a dozen of the newest, most prestigious technology theaters in the entire nation - has eight eighteen inch subs as well. tongue.gif

At this point - who cares what others think - you subscribed to crazy long ago in the minds of most - when you decided to move beyond a home theater in box setup.

I think you're crazy too - but I like it!
post #237 of 790
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NOTE. The Dolby Atmos Theater in North Kansas city - one of a dozen of the newest, most prestigious technology theaters in the entire nation - has eight eighteen inch subs as well. tongue.gif

Sweet! That means I'll have them beat all around. biggrin.gifcool.gif
post #238 of 790
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NOTE. The Dolby Atmos Theater in North Kansas city - one of a dozen of the newest, most prestigious technology theaters in the entire nation - has eight eighteen inch subs as well.

How does the Dolby Atmos Theater compare to your theater Archaea? I'm going to go out on a limb and say your Cap/mini Noesis blows it away!
post #239 of 790
Lol, do you know what an Atmos system is? biggrin.gif
post #240 of 790
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

NOTE. The Dolby Atmos Theater in North Kansas city - one of a dozen of the newest, most prestigious technology theaters in the entire nation - has eight eighteen inch subs as well.

How does the Dolby Atmos Theater compare to your theater Archaea? I'm going to go out on a limb and say your Cap/mini Noesis blows it away!

so partially...

My system definitely has better bass (deeper bass, and I play it hot to boot!) And probably clearer highs - but the beauty of the Atmos system is that it can have up to 64 discrete/unique channels. My 7.1 system setup can't touch that with a 10 foot pole. There are probably 30 speakers on the ceiling at the local atmos theater here in KC, and all of them are discrete channels. The coolest demos are the Atmos demos at the beginning of the movie where they showcase the technology.

The local KC gang has watched two movies together at the Atmos theater. Brave, and The Hobbit. The Brave showing was (I think) the first official movie played in the Atmos theater that was mixed with Atmos in mind. There was a Dolby Digital rep on site to talk to before the show, and after the show in the main lobby, and he introduced the movie in the Atmos theater room before it started. The demo clip was sooo cool I would have liked to listen to it a dozen more times. The little Pixar short, La Luna, they showed at the beginning was fantastic too. Lots of stars and each falling star made a VERY cool complete surround demonstration. Brave movie was well done for Atmos! The hobbit movie sucked in general - but it wasn't the Atmos theaters fault. wink.gif

All those discrete channels allow for very very very fluid movement of sound that can be pinpointed nearly anywhere in the theater - to the sides, to the ceiling to the front. It's a very cool effect. A flock of birds can really clearly move across the ceiling with each speaker representing a single bird or what not!

To your point -- Yes the Atmos Theater would probably sound quite a bit better if they ran nothing but JTR equipment. biggrin.gif But the 64 unique channel capability of Atmos is pretty darn cool too with the typical theater gear and even despite the typical 30hz HPF subwoofers! That Atmos tech probably won't make it to home AVRs --- 64 speakers in your theater room? Only the most dedicated of us would take the time and expense to set that up, and I think it is something that the theaters would like to hold onto somewhat to make their experience unique. I looked up the Atmos theaters again tonight. There are currently 17 in the US, so they are growing a bit.


But yes, otherwise - - - outside of an Atmos presentation my JTR theater setup vastly outshines any other commercial theater I've ever been to.
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