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post #241 of 623
Atmos will eventually make it to the home, 64 discrete channels is great if you have an auditorium but eventually they will incorporate it to us nuts with maybe only 2 extra ceiling speakers. The tech is already available to make speakers appear from places they are not located, Trinnov does this with it's 3D spatial remapping so getting Atmos in the home is not as far off as you think. 5.1 was once thought of as crazy, we are not that far off from that and now a lot of us AVS nuts are already 11.1, do you really think Atmos and 13.1 is that far off?
post #242 of 623
Wow. That would be awesome! I bet 64 channels won't fit in .5% of the home theaters and work correctly but even if we could have like 20+ with it performing correctly that would be a for sure buy for me. I'd take that over 4D or any D-Box set up in a heart beat!

I've never even heard of it till now.

I just don't see 13-15.xx etc... Making it much better than 11.xx and to fit all the extra channels into the home some company like jtr would have to come up with a 5-6" high output driver way they could fit that many more speakers into the room.
Edited by audiovideoholic - 3/18/13 at 11:03pm
post #243 of 623
I wonder how much it would cost just to buy the gear/software to set it up? Everything is available for a price.


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Well after a little searching I found an article that said it would cost theaters $25-30k to upgrade. It didn't specify if that was the entire ordeal of purchasing speakers and individual amps along with the equipment or not but if that would be the TOTAL cost then count me in as speakers,amps, Dolby cp850, and the DAC3201 for that price would be close to my projector at msrp. That would really be a bargin since it also comes with setup and EQ from my understanding.

From just guessing home theaters would get an additional 6 speakers plus 2 additional speakers per row in ceiling. So in mine it would be Moving up from 11.xx to 23.xx.

But then again it looks like it may do away with my front heights and rear width/presence speakers or it could play along nicely for all I know. In any case I'm sure it would sound better than my 11.xx set up.

Here is the diagram I'm basing the info from

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Edited by audiovideoholic - 3/19/13 at 12:10am
post #244 of 623
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From just guessing home theaters would get an additional 6 speakers plus 2 additional speakers per row in ceiling. So in mine it would be Moving up from 11.xx to 23.xx.

Room for improvement:
post #245 of 623
I have to agree with popa.

I would rather that cash spent on subwoofage to extend commercial theater response from 30 to 15Hz or below.

JSS
post #246 of 623
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Thanks Brandon. Ok, so I guess my next item of business after finishing the subs will be not be a false wall/AT screen, it will be to buy solid doors.

The door at the top of my half stair case already goes crazy during movies - especially demos and that is with using weather stripping so that it shuts really tight. That weather stripping helped a LOT, but if I could hear the door rattling with dual Submersives I know it's going to get crazy now.

Any of you guys go from hollow to solid doors? Did it help a lot?

I went from hollow core doors to solid core doors (15 years ago) for every door in my house. I did this long before I had a good sub system, so I can't tell you the difference. I will say, none of my doors make any noise, but then I just have three 18's and two 12's. I did it because of the quality of the doors. Always hated hollow core doors. Still bugs the crap out of me to go to a home show and million dollar homes with hollow core doors used. Sorry for off topic. smile.gif
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post #247 of 623
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I have to agree with popa.

I would rather that cash spent on subwoofage to extend commercial theater response from 30 to 15Hz or below.

JSS

I don't see that happening. Not going to be able to keep below 30hz sound contained very well. It will bleed over to the next room.
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post #248 of 623
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I don't see that happening. Not going to be able to keep below 30hz sound contained very well. It will bleed over to the next room.

YOLO.
post #249 of 623
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Thanks Fatshaft and Electrodynamic (are you Nick?). I do have to say though, yesterday morning when I went to look at them again I could see all kinds of little blemishes that I didn't see the night before. Nothing like bright sun light coming in the room to expose any problems. I even found some brad nail holes in a few spots. However, it won't matter down in the basement and I'm totally satisfied with how they turned out.

Ok, here is one for you guys. I stacked all 8 in the front corners, 4 per corner and then realized I didn't have another rca to xlr cable so I was bummed thinking I couldn't fire up all 8. I called Kevin and he said to switch the back of the amp to parallel (it was on stereo) and then both sets of subs will get the same signal, which they will anyway until I get the sms-1 so it won't matter.

Here's the issue. When I did that and turned them all on for the first time I could hear a distinct rattling sound that sounded like it was coming from the drivers them selves. It wasn't real loud but still easy to pick out when all the speakers are off. So, like usual, I panicked thinking I'd screwed something up. I had something to do last night so I didn't get a chance to do anymore playing around until this morning.

So all evening/night I was under the impression that my subs rattle and I'm screwed. It drove me crazy and I even had bad dreams about it... which sucked because I'd wake up and realize it wasn't just a dream my subs do rattle!! mad.gif

Well, just now I tried the subs back in stereo so that only 1 set of 4 is playing at a time - no rattle whatsoever from either set of 4 when I moved the xlr cable back and forth. However when I switched back to parallel and tried all 8 again, there it is the rattle is back. Any idea what is going on? Sounds like it's an easy fix, all I need is another rca to xlr cord.

I called radio shack last night and they said they don't have them (not that it means they really don't they are clueless) do you guys know where you can buy one from a store?
post #250 of 623
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Too late. I think you already passed that marker when you bought EIGHT EIGHTEENS for a 3500 cubic foot room. biggrin.gif

NOTE. The Dolby Atmos Theater in North Kansas city - one of a dozen of the newest, most prestigious technology theaters in the entire nation - has eight eighteen inch subs as well. tongue.gif

At this point - who cares what others think - you subscribed to crazy long ago in the minds of most - when you decided to move beyond a home theater in box setup.

I think you're crazy too - but I like it!

You should have seen the look on my neighbors face when I enlisted him to help me stack the final 4th sub on top for each corner. He did however say before he left that he wants a demo sometime. I asked him if he ever heard bass from my house (he's in the house to the left if you are facing mine so he's very close) and he said he never had. I told him that might change and he shrugged and said he didn't mind. Nice guy, in his 60's thank goodness he's still pretty strong.
post #251 of 623
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I called radio shack last night and they said they don't have them (not that it means they really don't they are clueless) do you guys know where you can buy one from a store?

My local Guitar Center has them.
post #252 of 623
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Sweet!! Found a store that sells them, Guitar Center in Overland Park. Sucks they don't open until 11:00 I'm anxious to unleash these things!

Funky Munky music opens at 10:00, website doesn't say if they have them but I'll try them out first since they are right by me.
post #253 of 623
Good luck man! smile.gif
post #254 of 623
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I went from hollow core doors to solid core doors (15 years ago) for every door in my house. I did this long before I had a good sub system, so I can't tell you the difference. I will say, none of my doors make any noise, but then I just have three 18's and two 12's. I did it because of the quality of the doors. Always hated hollow core doors. Still bugs the crap out of me to go to a home show and million dollar homes with hollow core doors used. Sorry for off topic. smile.gif

Well, there's my answer - thanks. My doors, especially the one at the top of the stairs, rattled like crazy from the time I bought my first Captivator but it also rattled with my wimpy SVS sub. If you are getting no rattle with 3 18's and 2 12's that's good enough for me. How much does a solid door cost?
post #255 of 623
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My local Guitar Center has them.

Thanks edogg, I just now saw your posts. Any idea why I'd get rattling running the amp in parallel and not in stereo?
post #256 of 623
Carp, awesome thread. As someone who recently went DIY as well I feel like I am reliving my build through you, and you are inspiring me to add two more subs to my current 4...

I can't speak for Omnimic, but the REW experts were pretty clear that I needed to measure at 5db increments vs 10db. When I did, my graph became not nearly as smooth, but I echo what others have said. Get all eight up and running, measure, and then start tweaking with the minidsp. Audysssey made a big difference in my room, and I still need to tweak things more using the Behringer EQ options in my amp prior to Audyssey.

Very nice job on the cabinets and Duratex does get much easier as you use it. By my fourth sub, I was a pro smile.gif

Hope you feel better soon so you can finish everything. Well done sir!
post #257 of 623
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Carp, awesome thread. As someone who recently went DIY as well I feel like I am reliving my build through you, and you are inspiring me to add two more subs to my current 4...

I can't speak for Omnimic, but the REW experts were pretty clear that I needed to measure at 5db increments vs 10db. When I did, my graph became not nearly as smooth, but I echo what others have said. Get all eight up and running, measure, and then start tweaking with the minidsp. Audysssey made a big difference in my room, and I still need to tweak things more using the Behringer EQ options in my amp prior to Audyssey.

Very nice job on the cabinets and Duratex does get much easier as you use it. By my fourth sub, I was a pro smile.gif

Hope you feel better soon so you can finish everything. Well done sir!

Thanks ack!

I do measure with 5 db increments and all my curves are saved that way but for some reason when I take a snapshot so I can post a picture of a graph it switches to 10 db increments. I had that happen before and someone told me how to fix it but now I can't remember.
post #258 of 623
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I'm going to do one Omnimic measurement without speakers just to compare to my measurements with 1 sub, and 4 subs (2 stacked each corner) to see who much increase I get. After that all measurements will be with speakers on too.
post #259 of 623
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Uhhhh I hope that New Madrid fault in Missouri doesn't go crazy any time soon. An earthquake would be very bad right now. eek.gifbiggrin.gif
post #260 of 623
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I'm going to do one Omnimic measurement without speakers just to compare to my measurements with 1 sub, and 4 subs (2 stacked each corner) to see who much increase I get. After that all measurements will be with speakers on too.

Effin epic man...

Well worth the photo op even if it doesn't measure the best.

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post #261 of 623
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I'm going to do one Omnimic measurement without speakers just to compare to my measurements with 1 sub, and 4 subs (2 stacked each corner) to see who much increase I get. After that all measurements will be with speakers on too.

YYyyeeaaaahhhhhh! smile.gif
post #262 of 623
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Thanks edogg, I just now saw your posts. Any idea why I'd get rattling running the amp in parallel and not in stereo?
Sorry boss, im clueless as to why that's happening. confused.gif
post #263 of 623
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Oh I understand. I'm totally okay with it as it brings a whole new group of people into the DIY world. A lot of you new guys, the AIY crew tongue.gif, would still be using the ID selection right now and I can tell 100% of you are happy with your decision to try out making your own speakers and subwoofers. It's a great way to make more of this hobby. I've been DIY for nearly half my life now and I'll never turn back. It's rewarding in so many ways.

But still.... I can tease y'all a bit. smile.gif

Its true. this flat pack thing, and these reasonably priced drivers are sending me into the "AIY" group (I think Louquid officially gets the credit for pushing me into this category). Im right there with carp in terms of skills and tools.. but ive got faith in myself. I read and read, and was looking at all the little ID subs and pulling my hair out, until Louquid gave me the link to the flat pack, and the Dayton subs.. Now ive read thread after thread and Im gonna give it a go. Should be next friday that i get to order everything. Funny thing is, reading Carps thread here just sucked the thunder right out of me. Im all kinds of pumped to build my one little sealed box, and i read his 8 single sealed box build thread (not to mention gorilla's thread, too)... I see this is going to be a very time consuming and never-ending process (im one of them guys who always wants better, better, better, too.).

Anyhow, yet another awesome thread. I really read alot about the flat packs, but really wanted to see them come together with pics and whatnot, so thanks alot Carp. Hopefully the flat packs wont be sold out the end of next week. I saw it happen once so far, but it appears they are up for ordering again. I cant wait!
post #264 of 623
Hola Carpster...late to the thread but things appear to be going well for ya, overall.

I'm happy with how my subs turned out, but I may just bite the bullet and get a gallon of duratex for a laugh and see how they turn out.

It appears that you easily covered all 8 cabs...sound about right?

My hope is that a gallon will do my existing pair and TWO more of my quads IF need be for my new room...I have no desire to spend more time and money on more subs if I'm still seeing/hearing anything near what I have now.

Anyway, I figure if you get 8 singles out of a gallon, I'll easily be able to get four quads done with considerably less surface area.

Good luck on finishing this up soon.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 3/19/13 at 9:14am
post #265 of 623
ha ha your stacks kinda reminds me of my first array...




oohhhhh, the romance.


James
post #266 of 623
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Hola Carpster...late to the thread but things appear to be going well for ya, overall.

I'm happy with how my subs turned out, but I may just bite the bullet and get a gallon of duratex for a laugh and see how they turn out.

It appears that you easily covered all 8 cabs...sound about right?

My hope is that a gallon will do my existing pair and TWO more of my quads IF need be for my new room...I have no desire to spend more time and money on more subs if I'm still seeing/hearing anything near what I have now.

Anyway, I figure if you get 8 singles out of a gallon, I'll easily be able to get four quads done with considerably less surface area.

Good luck on finishing this up soon.

James

Hey James, yeah 1 gallon did all 8 of my boxes. I bought 2 gallons and have an extra, I could sell you the other gallon - I haven't even opened the box.

The cost new for me was 52.50 + 16.62 shipping each box. I could look up the fedex calculator on this box I have and come up with a price if you are interested.
post #267 of 623
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ha ha your stacks kinda reminds me of my first array...




oohhhhh, the romance.


James

Yup, beautiful. smile.gif
post #268 of 623
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Well, I went to guitar center and bought 2 more rca to xlr cables. I went back to stereo mode on the amp and the rattle is gone!!

Unfortunately I have a nice buzz on the set of subs using the new xlr cable. I tried the other one, same thing.

Does anyone know where Mark Seaton gets his rca to xlr cables? The seem to do a better job and not having any hum.
post #269 of 623
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Ok, measurement time here shortly. I just cranked some ACDC Hells Bells with no speakers hooked up and it sounded like my room was going to come apart. The -10db light on the amp was only flickering and the drivers aren't moving much. This is going to be ridiculous!! eek.gifbiggrin.gif
post #270 of 623
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Ok, measurement time here shortly. I just cranked some ACDC Hells Bells with no speakers hooked up and it sounded like my room was going to come apart. The -10db light on the amp was only flickering and the drivers aren't moving much. This is going to be ridiculous!! eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Soooo fun man!

I did a demo for my brother-in-law last weekend and I cranked it on the FOTP demo scene... I'm going to have to find a better place for my amp as directly on the speaker is a no go...
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