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post #721 of 790
Nice carp! Funny that a LOT of people would balk at the thought of spending that much on their theater at first glance. However, you have one of the best performance per $ systems in the...Universe...

Now factor in the money you've lost due to the ungraditus bug and add in your bottom-line for perspective.

We'll chalk that up to "explorative research cost."

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post #722 of 790
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Thanks! smile.gif

100k can get you an incredible room!! This room and all the AV gear cost 100 grand and it on a completely different level than me. Well, actually I'd take my subs and speakers for sure but his room itself obviously destroys mine:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1489162/home-theater-of-the-month-vikgraos-fortress-of-solitude#post_23701015


Here is another room that cost 74 grand:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1494214/home-theater-of-the-month-mover-and-shaker#post_23819692






Let's see, if I total up the complete cost of EVERYTHING in my room including furniture etc. :

AVR: 800
Minidsp (for eqing the subs): 115
HDMI Switchbox (I use this so I can have any source on for audio while any other source is on for video): 40
Harmony 900 Remote: 250
Blu Ray Player: 300

Computer hooked up to the AVR and Projector stores all music: 600
Lap top remotely connected to Computer to control music or computer audio/video from my main seat: 200
External Blu Ray Player 100
USB Box: 50
Wireless mouse for laptop: 30
Wireless mouse/keyboard for projected computer image on screen: 50

4 Tri Corner Bass Traps, 2 244 bass trap panels, 5 242 acoustic panels plus shipping: 1000
2 LR speaker stands 400 total for both
1 center channel custom stand: 300
Surround speaker mounts (4): 80
AV Rack: 400
Second Row Riser including rug for top and car carpet/glue for sides: 150
Dayton Omnimic: 300
Extension USB cord: 30

3 Noesis LCR speakers: 6597
2 new eD Cinema 6 surround speakers: 510
2 used eD Cinema 6 surround speakers: 300

Speaker wire: 100
Speaker wire for subs: 100
HDMI cables (including 2 50 foot runs and all other shorter runs): 150
xlr/rca interconnects including runs to the minidsp: 50
Relay to power on and off the sub with receiver remote and box for minidsp: 120
2 Dedicated 20 amp lines run for the sub amp: 400
Extension Cables: 50
Powerstips 2: 30

8 SI Subwoofer Drivers with shipping: 1500
8 Flatpack subwoofer enclosures with shipping: 1100
2 gallons Duratex to finish subs: 110
Glue, screws, polyfill, terminals and other supplies to build subs: 150
Cerwin Vega CV 5000 to power all 8 subs: 680

HSU MBM 12 mid bass module 500

Paint for DIY screen: 50
Molding for screen frame, velvet to wrap it, extra velvet around screen area, staples etc: 200
Plastic sheets cut for masking panels: 50
Prostar self adhesive black material to cover plastic panels: 75
Projector: 1000

Signs, Framed Pictures, Wall art stuff: 400

Lazy Boy reclinable love seat: 1200
Couch: 800
End Tables: 140
Computer desk: 100
Bar table and 3 stools: 300
Computer Chair: 75

Totals:

Speakers: 7407
Subs including finishing, all supplies needed to build, and amp: 3540
HSU MBM 12 mid bass module 500
Components including remote: 1505
Wires, cables, dedicated lines, interconnects, relay, etc: 1000
Screen/Projector: 1375
Computer stuff 1030
Room Treatments/riser/rack/mounts/Omnimic 2660
Pictures: 400
Furniture: 2615

22,032


So, the above number represents everything except for what it would cost to finish the room, carpet, and paint since these things were already done.



Man... that's a lot. I never would have guessed that I've spend that much on this room. Before I added it all up I would have guessed around 15 grand. Yikes. eek.gif

I'm glad I added it all up though, I've always been curious what the total amount would be since I put this together slowly over a lot of time.

Thanks for the info! I guess im trying to factor in equipment, plus having an actual room built from scratch and also the electrical system being designed specifically designed for the ht room. Then offcourse the decor and furniture, hopefully I can stay under 100k and have something to look forward to enjoy. For now im going to keep researching and taking in ideas
post #723 of 790
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Nice carp! Funny that a LOT of people would balk at the thought of spending that much on their theater at first glance. However, you have one of the best performance per $ systems in the...Universe...

Now factor in the money you've lost due to the ungraditus bug and add in your bottom-line for perspective.

We'll chalk that up to "explorative research cost."

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Ha, yeah you are so right about that, I wasn't thinking of all the money spent in the past on gear that got upgraded - wow.

That would be so hard to calculate since I made a lot of money selling gear too. I paid for my DIY subs with the sale of 2 Submersives for an example, and I paid for a big chunk of my Submersives (one of them used) with the sale of my Captivators.

Gear I've sold, purchases price on right:

Over 10 years ago:
Cerwin Vega towers (15 inch drivers) 250/400
Cerwin Vega surrounds (10 inch drivers - big fn surrounds haha) 100/250
Cerwin Vega 15" sub 200/400

8ish years ago
SVS Cylinder 20-39 pci 250/450??

4ish years ago
Axiom LCR - m60's for mains vp150 center 600/1200

3 years ago
SVS dual 12" box sub, can't remember model 375/900

2 years ago
Mitsubishi 65" RPTV 200/3000
Magnepan surround system - mmg's for LRC 900/1200
Dual Ported JTR Captivators and ep4000 2600/2675 1200 each for Caps before the price went up on 1st, good deal on second

Last year
Elemental Design's Cinema 12 LRC 600/1300

This year
Dual Submersives 3600/3700 - one was used, Mark gave a great deal on the other

So, I spent a total of 15,475

And sold for 9475

Hey, that's not too bad!!


Gear I haven't sold, just upgraded:

Yanaha receiver don't remember model - 400
Yamaha rxv3000 receiver - 1200
Panasonic xr57 - 300
RCA dvd player POS but DVD was pretty new - 300
Panasonic DVD player - 250

So, add non upgraded total to the net between buying and selling and I get:

8450

Added to the amount of everything currently in the room:

30,482



I know this is probably only interesting to me.... tongue.gif

Damn I've spent a lot on this hobby.... I should be done for quite a while, at least on big ticket items.
post #724 of 790
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Thanks for the info! I guess im trying to factor in equipment, plus having an actual room built from scratch and also the electrical system being designed specifically designed for the ht room. Then offcourse the decor and furniture, hopefully I can stay under 100k and have something to look forward to enjoy. For now im going to keep researching and taking in ideas


Researching what you want to do is a big part of the fun, you should do a thread in the dedicated room section of the forum when you get everything started.
post #725 of 790
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Researching what you want to do is a big part of the fun, you should do a thread in the dedicated room section of the forum when you get everything started.

Thats a good idea, i def will do that. The biggest part will be choosing a house that will meet my needs, the prices on houses here in casper is way beyond the norm when compared to other regions of the country mostly because of the long oil boom thats taken hold in the area. Once I get something locked down ill have the theater funds kept seperate and hopefully find a company that can design the setup to how id like and get the gear ordered up. Offcourse ill make the final choices on everything but im hoping to take a shortcut by using a company to build the room and have pros install and calibrate everything just to save time and headaches. The fun part will be thinking of a theme for the room too.
post #726 of 790
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I recently bought a Crowson transducer. My 2nd sub out isn't working so I just used a y cable to split the sub signal, 1 goes to my minidsp and the other goes to the inuke 3000 which powers the crowson.

The result is I get a pop from the subs whenever I change tv channels. I'll even get the same pop sometimes when a show goes to a commercial.

I do not get the pop when switching inputs on my receiver.

The pop goes away when I take the inuke and Crowson out.

It's not a very loud pop but just enough to become real annoying over time.

Any ideas? Could it be as simple as a bad Y splitter? I would try that but I don't have another one laying around.
post #727 of 790
Do you need to enable a 2nd subwoofer in your settings to get that 2nd output to work? Would be nice if you could use that.

Either way is this a pop generated by your cable/satellite system?
post #728 of 790
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I recently bought a Crowson transducer. My 2nd sub out isn't working so I just used a y cable to split the sub signal, 1 goes to my minidsp and the other goes to the inuke 3000 which powers the crowson.

The result is I get a pop from the subs whenever I change tv channels. I'll even get the same pop sometimes when a show goes to a commercial.

I do not get the pop when switching inputs on my receiver.

The pop goes away when I take the inuke and Crowson out.

It's not a very loud pop but just enough to become real annoying over time.

Any ideas? Could it be as simple as a bad Y splitter? I would try that but I don't have another one laying around.

Why are you not running the crawsons through the Mini?
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Do you need to enable a 2nd subwoofer in your settings to get that 2nd output to work? Would be nice if you could use that.

Either way is this a pop generated by your cable/satellite system?

Wouldn't really matter because the Pio sub outs are the same. Y-splitter is just as good.
post #729 of 790
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Do you need to enable a 2nd subwoofer in your settings to get that 2nd output to work? Would be nice if you could use that.

Either way is this a pop generated by your cable/satellite system?




No, it's just an internal y splitter not really a 2nd sub out.
post #730 of 790
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Why are you not running the crawsons through the Mini?


Yeah I plan to do that, just need to get an XLR cable but I'm not motivated since the inuke has all the settings I need. Also, I wouldn't think that would help with the pop.
post #731 of 790
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Do you need to enable a 2nd subwoofer in your settings to get that 2nd output to work? Would be nice if you could use that.

Either way is this a pop generated by your cable/satellite system?


No, I also hear the pop if I pause the blu-ray player. It's weird that their is no pop when I switch inputs.
post #732 of 790
I thought I'd ask as my Onkyo can do independent distance and levels for it's dual sub out.

I wonder what this pop is about. My nu4-6k has a lil thump when I turn it on but that's it.
post #733 of 790
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

No, I also hear the pop if I pause the blu-ray player. It's weird that their is no pop when I switch inputs.

I sometimes get a pop randomly on my right rear surround channel. Very inconsistent so I can't pinpoint the issue, but it bugs the crap out if me!
post #734 of 790
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I sometimes get a pop randomly on my right rear surround channel. Very inconsistent so I can't pinpoint the issue, but it bugs the crap out if me!

When does that happen for you, Austin? You said "randomly". Does it happen during a movie?

What AVR are you guys using?
post #735 of 790
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

When does that happen for you, Austin? You said "randomly". Does it happen during a movie?

What AVR are you guys using?

I'm using the Elite SC-57. It's random I couldn't replicate it if I tried.

It just does it when it knows exactly when to piss me off the most.
post #736 of 790
Ah. If I am not mistaken doesn't Sheldon also use a Pioneer receiver?

I wonder if that's a bug of theirs, not that I've heard of such.
post #737 of 790
He has a gremlin.
post #738 of 790
Thread Starter 
Yep, looks like I might have a Pioneer Gremlin. eek.gif
post #739 of 790
LOL a Gremlin Prob better than my old Denon Vega wink.gif
post #740 of 790
Carp,

My memory is a little foggy on this since it’s been a few years but I can’t remember what blu-ray player I had in the past if it was the PS3, my old Pioneer blu-ray player or if it was pre-firmware install (DTS Bomb fix) on my Onkyo 805 receiver but I remember there being a pop sometimes on the sub and sometimes in some of the surround channels as well when I would hit the pause button. I think either switching the blu-ray player from Bitstream to LPCM or vice versa may have eliminated the pop when pausing the bluray player. It might be worth a shot to switch your setting in the blu-ray player to see if it helps with the pause pop. This, of course, won’t fix the Cable TV pop issue.

Now I can use Bitstream or LCPM without the pause pop so I don’t know if my Oppo fixed it or if it had something to do the DTS bomb firmware fix I did on my receiver a few years back. I use LPCM all the time now though cuz some movies have been known to cause audio drops via Bitstream and some Dolby True HD tracks would sometimes engage Night Mode or DRC systematically on my receiver. The only difference I notice is that LPCM is about 3db or so quieter than Bitstream.
post #741 of 790
Hmm. I have never got the old "DTS bomb" or any of these random pops or even ones when I pause.

My HT system has had the same Panasonic BD55 I've had since that came out. AVR is an Onkyo TXNR3007. I output from BD player to AVR as bitstream and decode in the AVR. No pops or anything like what you guys describe. The only audible thing is that I can hear the relays switch inside my Onkyo but that's it.
post #742 of 790
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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Carp,

My memory is a little foggy on this since it’s been a few years but I can’t remember what blu-ray player I had in the past if it was the PS3, my old Pioneer blu-ray player or if it was pre-firmware install (DTS Bomb fix) on my Onkyo 805 receiver but I remember there being a pop sometimes on the sub and sometimes in some of the surround channels as well when I would hit the pause button. I think either switching the blu-ray player from Bitstream to LPCM or vice versa may have eliminated the pop when pausing the bluray player. It might be worth a shot to switch your setting in the blu-ray player to see if it helps with the pause pop. This, of course, won’t fix the Cable TV pop issue.

Now I can use Bitstream or LCPM without the pause pop so I don’t know if my Oppo fixed it or if it had something to do the DTS bomb firmware fix I did on my receiver a few years back. I use LPCM all the time now though cuz some movies have been known to cause audio drops via Bitstream and some Dolby True HD tracks would sometimes engage Night Mode or DRC systematically on my receiver. The only difference I notice is that LPCM is about 3db or so quieter than Bitstream.


Thanks Bunga, I'll try that with the new Sony.

It's weird that all it takes is connecting the transducer with a y splitter. If I take out the splitter no more pop.
post #743 of 790
Hey carp, is there any reason you didn't put 2 in one enclosure like a seaton f2? Was it placement issues? I just bought two of these and wondering what is best way to go. I plan on making two but not sure of dual imposed or to just stack two in one enclosure. Thanks
post #744 of 790
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Originally Posted by bezlar View Post

Hey carp, is there any reason you didn't put 2 in one enclosure like a seaton f2? Was it placement issues? I just bought two of these and wondering what is best way to go. I plan on making two but not sure of dual imposed or to just stack two in one enclosure. Thanks

Yes, I have no DIY tools or skills so I used the flatpacks from DIY soundgroup.

Since you are going with 2 drivers I highly recommend using 2 different enclosures so that you can smooth out the frequency response better throughout the room. 1 sub location is almost always pretty poor at doing this.
post #745 of 790
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Yes, I have no DIY tools or skills so I used the flatpacks from DIY soundgroup.

Since you are going with 2 drivers I highly recommend using 2 different enclosures so that you can smooth out the frequency response better throughout the room. 1 sub location is almost always pretty poor at doing this.
I'm actually using 4 drivers two boxes but not sure which way to go dual stacked or dual opposed. Im not into cutting myself either. My system now are the dual13 flat packs from element designs. I've have found another guy in Iowa that builds enclosures named Ben. Go figure. His stuff looks good so I'm going to give him a try. I think I have meet you a fewest years back at archea house during sub off. I was quiet guy just kinda watching, didn't get to stay very long so I missed the big boys. Thanks
post #746 of 790
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Need some projector advice guys.

A friend is looking into projectors and has a budget of 2500-3000. What would you guys get for that? I'm not really into projectors, I love having one but have no interest in upgrading until it dies so I haven't kept up at all with what is out there.

He has never had a projector and in addition to watching movies wants to be able to watch tv/sports with the lights on like I do.
post #747 of 790
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Need some projector advice guys.

A friend is looking into projectors and has a budget of 2500-3000. What would you guys get for that? I'm not really into projectors, I love having one but have no interest in upgrading until it dies so I haven't kept up at all with what is out there.

He has never had a projector and in addition to watching movies wants to be able to watch tv/sports with the lights on like I do.


Carp....sticking to a 2D focus here...Sony HW50/55 and Epson 5300UB are two really good ones at that price point for the combination viewing you mentioned...Epson might get the nod for the intended viewing (and part of the reason I did not mention lowest tier JVC, never mind it is tough to find the JVC unit new for the target price!). Hope that helps!
post #748 of 790
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Carp....sticking to a 2D focus here...Sony HW50/55 and Epson 5300UB are two really good ones at that price point for the combination viewing you mentioned...Epson might get the nod for the intended viewing (and part of the reason I did not mention lowest tier JVC, never mind it is tough to find the JVC unit new for the target price!). Hope that helps!

+1 on the Epson 5030ub. I have the 5020 and have it on it's lowest setting and it is pretty bright in my theater. It is completely dark in there but the Epson's are like light cannons!
post #749 of 790
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Thanks guys, the 5030 was one he was asking about so glad to hear you suggest it.
post #750 of 790
Epson. Best service in industry.
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