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post #1081 of 6819
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

El Matadurr,

I don't remember if you mentioned this; have you tried pixel flipper from the wow disk?
No I have not. Truth be told, I do not own any blu-ray calibration disk. I don't feel like they're worth having since I physically cannot get close to calibrating accurate color (R/G colorblind). If Moonchilde's video doesn't work for me and I can get a cheap copy, I may pick up that blu-ray, though.
post #1082 of 6819
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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

Defective? IDK i'm going to research if that is a possible defect. I know that you are probably stressing about it too much though, because I know I was when it happened to me. It will go away, it's just going to take time. I too played bioshock infinite although not quite finished with it yet. Do you have IR on all 3 of the huds? I wonder if running the slides can cause easier IR right after finishing with it?
That's what I'm hoping too. rolleyes.gif

And yes, IR from all three. The health/shield bar is the most noticeable. And that's a possibility on the slides, since the first 100 hours it's been used to perfectly uniform content. I'm not sure, though.
post #1083 of 6819
*sticks fingers in ears & dismisses initial reports of ir as user error/defective sets*

rogo rogo ROGO
post #1084 of 6819
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

That's what I'm hoping too. rolleyes.gif

And yes, IR from all three. The health/shield bar is the most noticeable. And that's a possibility on the slides, since the first 100 hours it's been used to perfectly uniform content. I'm not sure, though.[/qhttp://forums.cnet.com/7723-7596_102-578892/image-retention-or-normal-on-lg-plasma
I found this one thing and they said it was defective. Does it do it for every little thing like this guy describes?
post #1085 of 6819
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

El Matadurr,

I don't remember if you mentioned this; have you tried pixel flipper from the wow disk?
To me, it seems to work much better than the scrolling bar. And it will run non stop indefinitely instead of for 15 minutes at a time. Especially if you game a lot I think it would be a wise investment.
Edited by Bond 007 - 4/29/13 at 12:19am
post #1086 of 6819
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

So, as someone who usually preaches common sense with viewing content with plasmas to prevent IR and burn-in, I'd think that I wouldn't run into the problem. As I even mentioned in my brief review, the S60 seems more prone to IR than I thought it would be. I went on a 5-hour stint of Bioshock: Infinite (the final act of the game just hooked me in, had to finish it in one sitting...) and found---only half-surprisingly---that the health/tonic/ammo hud bars in the upper left/bottom left/bottom right side (respectively) are all leaving behind a false image.

Somewhat disheartening to read, but not at all surprising. Apart from your Bioshock rally, you've only went through the 100hr "slide prep" with your panel so far, yes? If that's the case then some IR is to be expected at this stage and I wouldn't worry... yet. Please keep us updated and let us know how your S60 fares after a few more hundred hours of use.
post #1087 of 6819
Yeah, give it some time still. IR is going to happen. BTW, I'm DropBoxing that video for you. I would say, run it once every 2 weeks over night and your TV should be fine.
post #1088 of 6819
So I thought I was decided for sure on this panel, but now I'm starting to reconsider. I had owned two UT50 panels previously - one had horrible line bleed (the second was only marginally better) and the second's buzzing was audible enough during quiet scenes in movies that I couldn't deal with it anymore. Factor in the fact that I have three twelve foot tall windows resulting in the screen becoming a mirror for most of the time, and you can see why I decided it wasn't the right TV for me.

Anyway, I thought the S64 was the answer to my prayers, with predicted low input lag (although I don't see if anyone has scientifically tested it yet) and an anti-reflective filter. However, now I'm hearing about image retention, which is an issue considering I plan on doing a fair amount of gaming and 2.39:1 cinema content viewing. Factor in the issues people are complaining about regarding calibration and the image modes, and I'm starting to get some concerns.

The last time I was in the TV market, five or so years ago, it was so much simpler - plasma was the hands-down winner. But now I'm wondering if I should just cough up the extra money and buy an LED display and live with lesser picture quality in exchange for daytime performance and better, safer gaming...

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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

  • Call your nearest Costco and choose the option to reach the Administrative staff
  • Ask if they can check stock on a product you are looking for
  • Give them item #865640 (65" PS64)

You wouldn't by chance have the 50" part number, would you?
post #1089 of 6819
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

So I thought I was decided for sure on this panel, but now I'm starting to reconsider. I had owned two UT50 panels previously - one had horrible line bleed (the second was only marginally better) and the second's buzzing was audible enough during quiet scenes in movies that I couldn't deal with it anymore. Factor in the fact that I have three twelve foot tall windows resulting in the screen becoming a mirror for most of the time, and you can see why I decided it wasn't the right TV for me.

Anyway, I thought the S64 was the answer to my prayers, with predicted low input lag (although I don't see if anyone has scientifically tested it yet) and an anti-reflective filter. However, now I'm hearing about image retention, which is an issue considering I plan on doing a fair amount of gaming and 2.39:1 cinema content viewing. Factor in the issues people are complaining about regarding calibration and the image modes, and I'm starting to get some concerns.

The last time I was in the TV market, five or so years ago, it was so much simpler - plasma was the hands-down winner. But now I'm wondering if I should just cough up the extra money and buy an LED display and live with lesser picture quality in exchange for daytime performance and better, safer gaming...

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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

  • Call your nearest Costco and choose the option to reach the Administrative staff
  • Ask if they can check stock on a product you are looking for
  • Give them item #865640 (65" PS64)

You wouldn't by chance have the 50" part number, would you?

I have no line bleed. No audible buzzing unless my head is directly behind the TV. No IR. The AR filter works great. And the input lag has been tested by Cnet @ 34.1ms, the lowest of all 2013 models tested (S, ST, VT).
post #1090 of 6819
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jaleisure View Post

I'm not surprised. I'm pretty sure the ST30 had no filter. There was an ST34 in 2011. That's the one that had the filter that year.

Actually the ST30 definitely had an AR Filter (i set up 3 of them for friends). I don't think there was an ST34, i think you're thinking about the (non-3D) S34 which was the Costco/Sams Club version of the S30.

Nonetheless, the S64 has the exact same AR Louver Filter as used on the ST60/VT60.
post #1091 of 6819
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

You wouldn't by chance have the 50" part number, would you?

I wasn't searching for that one, so no. Sorry. All you have to do to get the item number is have them look up the 50" Panasonic "PS64" in their system and ask for it.

MD
post #1092 of 6819
Just mounted a TC-P65S60 for my Dad yesterday and was going to wait to do any setting adjustments until is A/V receiver comes in on Tuesday. However, I just got a call that he wants to return it because of the constant drastic dimming from bright to dark.

I was under the impression that Panny's CATS setting came "off" by default (or I would have turned it off). Does it sound like something CATS would be doing when the ambient lighting is constant? Is there something else I need to check other than CATS that may be causing this problem?

If my Dad is just more sensitive to the brightness fluctuations, what are the recommended settings to minimize its impact?
post #1093 of 6819
Besides turning off CATS. He should just get the ST60 which has better ABL that is less aggressive.
post #1094 of 6819
so am i the only one noticing the false contouring? And is this a panel issue or processing like some have suggested in the st60 thread?
post #1095 of 6819
^do you have some type of processing on, or might adjusting sharpness help with that?
post #1096 of 6819
Read back a page or two, jterp7, you'll see I've detailed what settings will cause edge contouring and which ones don't.
post #1097 of 6819
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

Just mounted a TC-P65S60 for my Dad yesterday and was going to wait to do any setting adjustments until is A/V receiver comes in on Tuesday. However, I just got a call that he wants to return it because of the constant drastic dimming from bright to dark.

I was under the impression that Panny's CATS setting came "off" by default (or I would have turned it off). Does it sound like something CATS would be doing when the ambient lighting is constant? Is there something else I need to check other than CATS that may be causing this problem?

If my Dad is just more sensitive to the brightness fluctuations, what are the recommended settings to minimize its impact?

Not direct comparison, but my 55ST60 definitely came with CATS ON and I would describe it exactly as you did above.
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/4/13 at 10:59am
post #1098 of 6819
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

... but turning off CATS in the eco submenu did nothing to turn CATS off. It had to be turned off in the main picture menu and then it finally stopped this.

Yet another option that doesn't work as it's supposed to. Geez, the ST60 is just bugged to all hell.
post #1099 of 6819
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Yet another option that doesn't work as it's supposed to. Geez, the ST60 is just bugged to all hell.

Well, I dunno. I never RTFM, so maybe it is addressed there. But yeah, it seemed a bit odd to me.
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/4/13 at 10:59am
post #1100 of 6819
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Read back a page or two, jterp7, you'll see I've detailed what settings will cause edge contouring and which ones don't.

Just to confirm, it appears that the HDMI to photo instead of graphics should fix this. I did this for hdmi 2 (receiver) since it clears up the sharpening for the pc input, but I did not check to see if this was in affect for the antenna output (yes I am using bunny ears). If this at least decreases the stupid halos I will be satisfied.
post #1101 of 6819
Yeah try Photos and turn sharpness down to 0. Should eliminate the halos all together. If your TV does any scaling, you'll want photos too since any mode of scaling (maybe not 720p) will cause halos. So if you were to have a PS2 connected, a Wii, or anything like that you may get halos if you don't have Photos set. It's totally dumb.
post #1102 of 6819
any Game of Thrones fans here?

There's some weird green garbage in some of the dark scenes in yesterdays episode...maybe I just didn't notice it on the sammy upstairs since it was a 51" vs this new 65" monstrosity.
post #1103 of 6819
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Originally Posted by jterp7 View Post

any Game of Thrones fans here?

There's some weird green garbage in some of the dark scenes in yesterdays episode...maybe I just didn't notice it on the sammy upstairs since it was a 51" vs this new 65" monstrosity.
Who is your cable or satellite provider? I heard about and saw some of this when I had Dish (especially on black and white movies).
post #1104 of 6819
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually the ST30 definitely had an AR Filter (i set up 3 of them for friends). I don't think there was an ST34, i think you're thinking about the (non-3D) S34 which was the Costco/Sams Club version of the S30.

Nonetheless, the S64 has the exact same AR Louver Filter as used on the ST60/VT60.
Yeah MechanicalMan already corrected me on this a couple pages ago however there is an ST34 on the Panasonic direct buy site, it says manufacture year 2011 and it is 3D. It was that fact combined with the fact that my ST50 looked WAY more filtered than I remember my ST30 looking that made me think the ST30 had no filter. I'm sorry this all has nothing to do with the S60 but I AM on my way to Sears to mess with settings on both S60 and ST60 and stare at them. I'm trying to determine the lesser of two evils, the loss of clarity and sharpness from the AR coating (only my opinion, that's how my ST50 looked to me, hoping ST60 filter is not as bad) or the more aggressive ABL.
post #1105 of 6819
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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

I found this one thing and they said it was defective. Does it do it for every little thing like this guy describes?
That thread seems pretty familiar. It's not as bad as what he describes, but it really doesn't take all that much (just a minute) for an image to be temporarily burned in. It always, in my few viewing times, goes away after running some other content, but I do notice it quite easily. I'll keep an eye on everything.

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

To me, it seems to work much better than the scrolling bar. And it will run non stop indefinitely instead of for 15 minutes at a time. Especially if you game a lot I think it would be a wise investment.
Cool, I'll probably pick one up soon.

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Originally Posted by curly21029 View Post

Somewhat disheartening to read, but not at all surprising. Apart from your Bioshock rally, you've only went through the 100hr "slide prep" with your panel so far, yes? If that's the case then some IR is to be expected at this stage and I wouldn't worry... yet. Please keep us updated and let us know how your S60 fares after a few more hundred hours of use.
Yes. Stupid me, I essentially went straight from the 100 hour prep to playing that game. I'll keep everyone updated, as well as how well Moonchilde's video helps.

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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Yeah, give it some time still. IR is going to happen. BTW, I'm DropBoxing that video for you. I would say, run it once every 2 weeks over night and your TV should be fine.
Just got it. Check your PM's in a minute.

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Originally Posted by jterp7 View Post

so am i the only one noticing the false contouring? And is this a panel issue or processing like some have suggested in the st60 thread?
If you are talking about posterization, not edge contouring (what has been discussed over the past couple pages), then yes, the S60 does have a noticeable amount. It is largely content-sensitive, however. I so far have only noticed it in Bioshock. Have played a few other games and watched a couple Blu-Rays as well---no problems there.
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I'm somewhat surprised to hear about the Leo Bodnar device for testing display lag. I own some of their game controller stuff but didn't realize they had branched out. I just use Rock Band 2 and the Strat controller with the built in calibration sensors and it always gives me a number right inline with the PC...dual monitor video card....crt...take pictures method. Seems pretty accurate to me and it was nice to not have to hook up or buy a bunch of additional gear.
post #1107 of 6819
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

That thread seems pretty familiar. It's not as bad as what he describes, but it really doesn't take all that much (just a minute) for an image to be temporarily burned in. It always, in my few viewing times, goes away after running some other content, but I do notice it quite easily. I'll keep an eye on everything..
Definitely do. That sounds entirely to fast and reminds me of a samsung my friend had in 2010. It never really burned in but it would get a ridiculous amount of IR in a matter of minutes. He ended up exchanging it at best buy and his other one was no where near as bad.
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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

Definitely do. That sounds entirely to fast and reminds me of a samsung my friend had in 2010. It never really burned in but it would get a ridiculous amount of IR in a matter of minutes. He ended up exchanging it at best buy and his other one was no where near as bad.
Okay, so combined with the high buzz (which, honestly is only a problem with soft content), very common and loud popping noises (they seem to be getting louder and louder), and this IR issue, I very well might have a defective panel. Darn. Everything else about it is just fine, besides the heat it puts out.
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

Okay, so combined with the high buzz (which, honestly is only a problem with soft content), very common and loud popping noises (they seem to be getting louder and louder), and this IR issue, I very well might have a defective panel. Darn. Everything else about it is just fine, besides the heat it puts out.
I hope not, how is your exchange policy? I know it's a pain to go through all that trouble. Maybe just give it some more time and see if it changes during your exchange time and if it doesn't, then exchange it. Good luck hopefully it works itself out so you don't have to go through all that trouble.
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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

I hope not, how is your exchange policy? I know it's a pain to go through all that trouble. Maybe just give it some more time and see if it changes during your exchange time and if it doesn't, then exchange it. Good luck hopefully it works itself out so you don't have to go through all that trouble.
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