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post #1231 of 6830
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Have there been any pro reviews of the S64? I've seen good reviews of the S60, but want to know if the AR filter affects PQ, and if so, how detrimentally or beneficially?

Also, does the Internet connection slow down or affect any PQ processing? I read a review of another Panny model where they complained about the Internet connection slowing things down. If you are not actively downloading from any Internet sites, will the connection simply just be sending low bandwidth periodic acknowledge connection messages? What if you also have a BD player connected that also has an Internet connection? I don't plan on using any Internet subscription services - will be connecting to an HTPC (mainly for DVR recording and playback of HD OTA or cable - hence the origin of my screen name) and the occasional viewing of DVDs (hell I only own 1 BD!).

I don't think there will ever be any "pro" reviews on a club model. Just my hunch.

Well the ST60 has amazing reviews, and the S64 has the same AR filter sooo.... I think it's beneficial, as it helps with ambient lighting and direct reflections. I personally don't think it has any detrimental impact on PQ.

Not sure on the internet connection thing, but if you're concerned you can always disconnect the ethernet cable since you probably won't use the services and will use your HTPC.
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Yeah, I was thinking I might only use the Ethernet connection for P-ROM upgrades, if any. My BD player probably duplicates all the Internet features, and I'm not even sure I need those - just used once for a P-ROM upgrade.

Oh, I think I mentioned in this thread that last Saturday at 7 pm, I had huge reflection just before sunset of my mini-blinds on my 34" CRT, but I just remembered I still had my blinds in winter setup (angled down so that sunlight comes in to warm the rooms - during summer time I usually have them angled up to reduce sunlight heating as much as possible). I'll see if I can take a photo (with blinds in both settings) around the same time this weekend, then take some photos after I get the 65S64 set up. I finally finished reading this entire thread and decided I'm going to order this from Sam's in a few minutes.
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Just ordered from Sam's. Sorry to ask 1 more price question, but those who joined online while ordering, did they send you a membership card later in the mail or with your TV? And I assume they will call to arrange delivery time and not just leave out on my porch while I'm at work?
Edited by HDTimeShifter - 5/3/13 at 5:54pm
post #1234 of 6830
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Just ordered from Sam's. Sorry to ask 1 more price question, but those who joined online while ordering, did they send you a membership card later in the mail or with your TV?

congrats
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/3/13 at 6:38pm
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You'll get your picture taken in store for you card.
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Have there been any pro reviews of the S64? I've seen good reviews of the S60, but want to know if the AR filter affects PQ, and if so, how detrimentally or beneficially?

Yes, IMO, it absolutely affects the PQ quite significantly and detrimentally. With an AR filter there is less glare but quite a signifant loss of depth and 'pop' to the image. Low level shadow detail also never can quite get the right balance with an AR filter (i.e. the low level light output is 'blocked' by the filter). I just think AR filters are awful, but I seem to be in the minority.
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

You'll get your picture taken in store for you card.

And if all Sam's are like mine, it will be the worst photo that anyone has ever taken of you.
post #1238 of 6830
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

I did the same. There was a comment that said: "Pick up your membership card the next time you're at any store." They suggested bringing your welcome email so you have the member number and can get in the store without any problems.

So I guess they just print it on site when you go in to whatever store.

So far, no card by mail and it's been about 10 days. No card came with the panel delivery, fwiw.

The above info may be in one of the first couple emails you get from them, I don't remember.

edit: Saw your edit about shipping. wink.gif I'm also in Colorado and they used Seko as the main shipper. Tracking was a bit slow, but they definitely called to set up delivery. Appeared to me no way they were just going to leave it on the porch. Very narrow 2 hour time window for delivery too and that was much appreciated. The guy actually got there a half hour early on the time window, was super nice and helped me get it on the stand. Very professional. A+ to Seko.

Congrats on the new panel. Here's hoping it gets there quick and safe and ya' like it. Absolutely lovin' my 65PS64. Emphasis added.

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Yeah, I was worried because I didn't get a membership receipt online, but did check my e-mail after you mentioned it and they did send a receipt.

Glad they helped you lift it onto the stand. I don't think I'd have a problem since it's only 100 pounds. 10 years ago, after ordering my 34" Sony XBR800 CRT online, they contracted out some shipping company that only had 1 driver who attempted to carry it up my stairs and gave up after a while and asked me to help him carry it up. I think he helped me lift it onto my stand as well. I could use the delivery help in lifting my 250 pound CRT off my stand.
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It must have just been Netflix being stupid. It's fine now.
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Oh, while this doesn't come with a swivel stand like the LG, which could help in angling away from the window temporarily to avoid glare and give better offset line of sight, it (the 65") was easy enough to pivot in the store at Sams (not sure doing that will be so kind to the glass on my $500 Italian O'bello A/V stand however...).
Edited by HDTimeShifter - 5/13/13 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Oh, while this doesn't come with a swivel stand like the LG, which could help in angling away from the window temporarily to avoid glare and give better offset line of sight, it (the 65") was easy enough to pivot in the store at Sams (not sure doing that will be so kind to the glass on my $300 Italian O'bello A/V stand however...).

Super Sliders FTW. Lowe's has a pack with 16 plastic 1" sliders and 4 larger ones for like $8. I guess felt might be better on your glass stand, but it will compress and may not be as durable.
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Yeah, I was worried because I didn't get a membership receipt online, but did check my e-mail after you mentioned it and they did send a receipt.

Glad they helped you lift it onto the stand. I don't think I'd have a problem since it's only 100 pounds. 10 years ago, after ordering my 34" Sony XBR800 CRT online, they contracted out some shipping company that only had 1 driver who attempted to carry it up my stairs and gave up after a while and asked me to help him carry it up. I think he helped me lift it onto my stand as well. I could use the delivery help in lifting my 250 pound CRT off my stand.

If you have someone to help you, the 100# S64 won't be a problem. However, solo, I'm not seeing it.
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/21/13 at 9:55pm
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Edited by MountainMichael - 5/21/13 at 9:55pm
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wow!! HMI1 doesnt work on my panel, i swapped cables and nothing comes up. Anyone has any other suggestions? I'm thinking of sending it back.
HMI2 is fine
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Does this not make the somewhat "flexy" pedestal more flexy? Well, now that I think about it, so long as you move the giant slowly as is probably best, mebbe it would be fine.

Not sure what you mean. The stand is made of metal and has never struck me as unsturdy. I grab my 50" by the sides and/or base and push it around on my Anthrocart desk daily; the Super Sliders are what makes this possible. I've been doing this for years with several TVs. The bigger challenge for the ST60 is making sure the cables aren't stressing the circuit boards where they plug in on the side. Using flexible Amazon Basics HDMI cables helps a lot. The ST60 comes with a reusable cable tie that snaps into the back panel, and that thing has actually been good enough. It's staying in place while relieving strain and bundling the cables for tidiness, and I haven't had to stick any clips on the back of the TV. The S60 takes cables straight into the back, and I didn't see the need to do anything for it when using the lightweight Amazon HDMI cables. My old Sony was fine for years like this.
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One caveat, though: Both Panny panels I've had recently: The plastic pedestal base seems like scary flexy plastic.

It has a plastic cover over metal.
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If you put sliders under it, maybe it should have them spaced under the mid parts, too?

Common sense says yes. biggrin.gif
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Expect the left end of the panel to be low on first assembly. Very adjustable. This was the same on my 55ST60 and my 65PS64.

I've had two 50" ST60s and one S60 in the house (they all buzz about the same), and one thing I will say for Panasonic, they make a level stand, which is something Sony could never master IME. That said, if the stand is mounted onto the panel with the panel laid flat, instead of dropping the panel onto the stand, it's possible for it to come out crooked. That's what the delivery guys did to the S60. I just loosened the screws and reseated it to make it level.
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

...I just loosened the screws and reseated it to make it level.

exactly
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/3/13 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster View Post

wow!! HMI1 doesnt work on my panel, i swapped cables and nothing comes up. Anyone has any other suggestions? I'm thinking of sending it back.
HMI2 is fine

According to the ST60 thread there may be handshake issues if the devices are already powered on. Turn everything off, turn on the TV and set to the desired input then turn on external equipment.
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Can anyone comment on the actual picture quality and satisfaction with the 65s64? Or is there a thread for it? I am ready to pull the trigger on this or the st60 but if the picture quality is very good I would rather save the money to go without the 3d.
post #1249 of 6830
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Originally Posted by jrod9707 View Post

Can anyone comment on the actual picture quality and satisfaction with the 65s64? Or is there a thread for it? I am ready to pull the trigger on this or the st60 but if the picture quality is very good I would rather save the money to go without the 3d.

I would think the picture quality is about the same, save for the extra features of the ST60 (like 96Hz/24fps).
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Originally Posted by jrod9707 View Post

Can anyone comment on the actual picture quality and satisfaction with the 65s64? Or is there a thread for it? I am ready to pull the trigger on this or the st60 but if the picture quality is very good I would rather save the money to go without the 3d.

I don't know of an S64 thread yet.

I had a 55ST60 and now a 65PS64. My layperson review comparing several attributes of both is back somewhere on the below linked page at or near post 1142:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1140
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/21/13 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by jrod9707 View Post

Can anyone comment on the actual picture quality and satisfaction with the 65s64? Or is there a thread for it? I am ready to pull the trigger on this or the st60 but if the picture quality is very good I would rather save the money to go without the 3d.

Picture quality? Stunning picture.

Satisfaction? Extremely satisfied.

For $1500 you can get a 65" with a 5 year warranty from Costco. How can you go wrong? How much more is the 65ST60 with 5 years of coverage? I'll wait. rolleyes.gif
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Edited by MountainMichael - 5/21/13 at 9:56pm
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If you have someone to help you, the 100# S64 won't be a problem. However, solo, I'm not seeing it. The thing is HUGE and would be extremely unwieldy for one person. Whatever ya' do, be safe and all that.

If the delivery guy can help you, no problem. 2 people can get it done just fine.

Like your old crt, my 11 year old Toshiba 36" crt is terribly heavy. When I had my first panel delivered (55ST60), the delivery guy helped me move the crt TANK thank gawd. Jeezuz, but that thing is front heavy. Weighs 220#, but always tries to flip to the front.

The very helpful delivery guys who have helped me, well, I tip accordingly. Each to their own, of course.

Both deliveries: The guys were solo and asked me to carry one end of the box in. Just had a second hip replacement, but I can get it done - just asked 'em not to walk too fast going up the steps. Yeah, I'm an antique. It happens eventually.

Oh, actually only 85 pounds (the packaging, batteries, and remote alone weigh 15 pounds!). I figure I could just lift from under the bottom of the bezel with both hands, but if the delivery guy will help, why not? Nice service for $49 s&h, as Sam's normally charges $59 for delivery and $89 for delivery + setup. Definitely can use help moving my old CRT. Good advice on tipping - I'll have to have some extra cash on hand.

Yeah my 34" Sony CRT is 250 pounds (more than 100 pounds more than me and nearly as much as I bench press)! When I tried to move it to replace a fuse, I could only lift it maybe 1/2 inch and almost tweaked my back. I got a friend to help lift it to the floor, and since it was so top heavy, it tipped forward and the top edge hit a bar bell lying just below my coffee table and nicked the bezel - luckily the bar bell wasn't a few inches forward or I could just imagine the screen shattering into a zillion pieces!

Hmm, maybe they helped move the old and lift the new TV because they saw your age? I'm not a big guy, however look 1/2 my age.

Regarding swivelling it, IIRC, the HDMI is on the left side, so would only be pushed back in my room, while the power cable is in the middle, so wouldn't move much.

Too bad nobody could ever compare the S60 and S64 side by side in a showroom as they'll never both be carried by a vendor. A reviewer would actually have to buy both units. My only concern was whether the AR filter would compromise PQ and if the S60 would be watchable with our blazing western sunlight. I figured since my room is bright and I'll rarely watch with all the lights off (usually the dining chandelier will be on), reflection was a big concern.
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Oh, actually only 85 pounds (the packaging, batteries, and remote alone weigh 15 pounds!). I figure I could just lift from under the bottom of the bezel with both hands, but if the delivery guy will help, why not? Nice service for $49 s&h, as Sam's normally charges $59 for delivery and $89 for delivery + setup. Definitely can use help moving my old CRT. Good advice on tipping - I'll have to have some extra cash on hand.

Yeah my 34" Sony CRT is 250 pounds (more than 100 pounds more than me and nearly as much as I bench press)! When I tried to move it to replace a fuse, I could only lift it maybe 1/2 inch and almost tweaked my back. I got a friend to help lift it to the floor, and since it was so top heavy, it tipped forward and the top edge hit a bar bell lying just below my coffee table and nicked the bezel - luckily the bar bell wasn't a few inches forward or I could just imagine the screen shattering into a zillion pieces!

Hmm, maybe they helped move the old and lift the new TV because they saw your age? I'm not a big guy, however look 1/2 my age.

Regarding swivelling it, IIRC, the HDMI is on the left side, so would only be pushed back in my room, while the power cable is in the middle, so wouldn't move much.

Too bad nobody could ever compare the S60 and S64 side by side in a showroom as they'll never both be carried by a vendor. A reviewer would actually have to buy both units. My only concern was whether the AR filter would compromise PQ and if the S60 would be watchable with our blazing western sunlight. I figured since my room is bright and I'll rarely watch with all the lights off (usually the dining chandelier will be on), reflection was a big concern.

I think you're right about some reasons why they'll help me; recent hip replacement, so I walk with a pronounced limp; later middle age but look older. Youthful misadventure and all that. Both times, I tried to order setup - but it wasn't available due to my rural location.
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/4/13 at 10:44am
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I forgot about the height - it’ll be hard to reach to make sure it doesn't tip. Thanks for the advice and for only $20 or so I'll definitely try and solicit help moving my TVs around.
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Also, the extra amount for setup is about what I tip. OR bribe...? I told both guys: "Say, I know how to put this thing together pretty quickly but if you help me get it on the stand and test it for cracks, there's $40 in it for ya'. The one guy said: "That's too much. How about $20 and I'm happy to help." One asked how long it would take. I said 15 minutes tops; probably more like 10. It took 10. The one guy thought the box had to be cut open. I showed him how to remove the 4 white plastic locks down low, then just lift the upper box off in one piece; no cutting, saves the box for possible return.

FWIW, this thing is way bigger than I expected. Very unwieldy. Part of the problem is: Even long arms aren't nearly long enough. That panel is TALL. Anyway, 'nuff lecturing. Hoping you get it set up safely is the main thing. In packaging, mine was set down inside the protective plastic/foam bag versus having the bag dropped over the top. So it has to be lifted up out of the bag, too, and even with 2 people, that danged bag kept sticking.

You probably know this, but I didn't. I was told to use the palm of my hand to cradle the bottom and top of the panel; avoid letting your fingers wrap around and grip into the delicate screen.
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

I forgot about the height - it’ll be hard to reach to make sure it doesn't tip. Thanks for the advice and for only $20 or so I'll definitely try and solicit help moving my TVs around.

YW
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/21/13 at 9:57pm
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I alerted my co worker to the 65" S64 series at Sam's Club last week, I noticed its also listed on Costco's web site slightly cheaper.

65" is the only size listed, the only plasma as well.

update - Sam's has matched their price.
Edited by tony9 - 5/4/13 at 1:59pm
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Last week I put down a deposit on a 60UT50. It has been suggested that I look at the 60S60. I like what I see, but am still a little confused by the specs. This is my first purchase of a plasma and I need to get it right.

The 60UT50 is the last one is stock and is being held for me, however the salesman will allow me to switch to another model at the time the sale completes next week.

60UT50 is $1186. 60S60 is $1297 - difference of only $111 plus taxes.

I will be using the TV for watchings movies and regular TV shows from cable, WDTV Media Player, DVD Player, and a new Blueray Player yet to be purchased.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by tony9 View Post

I alerted my co worker to the 65" S64 series at Sam's Club last week, I noticed its also listed on Costco's web site slightly cheaper.

65" is the only size listed, the only plasma as well.

update - Sam's has matched their price.

Yeah still no 50's at either, idk where those are.
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Originally Posted by Sushihunter View Post

Last week I put down a deposit on a 60UT50. It has been suggested that I look at the 60S60. I like what I see, but am still a little confused by the specs. This is my first purchase of a plasma and I need to get it right.

The 60UT50 is the last one is stock and is being held for me, however the salesman will allow me to switch to another model at the time the sale completes next week.

60UT50 is $1186. 60S60 is $1297 - difference of only $111 plus taxes.

I will be using the TV for watchings movies and regular TV shows from cable, WDTV Media Player, DVD Player, and a new Blueray Player yet to be purchased.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! smile.gif

I would definitely get the S60 as a significant amount of calibration controls have been added to it that are not available in the UT50. The most important being the grey scale adjusments. Plus the S60 is the newer panel and has slightly better blacks.
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