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Originally Posted by joemiller5390 View Post

can someone pleaseeeeeeeee help me. im trying to connect my laptop to my tc-p42s60 and i am getting no where. i know how to do connect it to every tv in my house but this one just wont work. ive done everything i can possibly think of, my computer even show the panasonic under display options but only when i have extend display connected and it still doesnt even do that. when i switch to dublicate it doesnt even show a secondary monitor. am i missing something here or forgetting to do something? pleaseeee help. some1 did answer me but im not sure if i replyed quick enough and wanna try to get a few opinions. additional info would be. connecting thru just hdmi and ive tried every resolution. its says 1920x1080 is recommended and im doing this thru the screen resolution options when i right click as well as tried looking thru control panel >hardware &sound>display and tired every posbile thing i know of. once again thank you in advance and please help. i will try to check back much more frequantly as i did just buy the tv and i love everything aout it ut this is almost a deal breaker to me seeing i do alot on the computer and a bigger screen every now and then would be nice.

Have you contacted tech support for your laptop?
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Originally Posted by 4top455 View Post

Chrball ,
I just started w slides ...tried to put my ear on the back of tv...couldnt hear much ...is that how it is??or should i listen only after tweaking settings? What else to look for in a new tv??
All pointers welcome see pix in earlier poat
It buzzes the most on the white slides; as it gets darker, the buzzing diminishes.

My white slides definitely buzz and it can be hear from a few feet away, but that's in a dead silent room. I'm pretty sure that's normal.
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Originally Posted by chrball View Post

The replacement S64 I got from Costco has significantly less buzz. It's still somewhat noticeable but only from the back of the TV, and it seems more localized to the top corners. It's almost completely inaudible sitting even just a few feet in front of the screen.

Glad to hear - sounds like your last one was defective and hope this one satisfies you. I don't hear any buzz with TV content except with my ear an inch away from the front or behind the panel near the top corner speaker vents. The only time I heard buzz from my couch 10 feet away was with the brighter grey and white D-Nice slides and I'm wouldn't be concerned with that unless I intended to use it as a PC monitor. That would akin to tuning into an FM channel with no music (static snow) and cranking your amplifier to max clipping levels to hear the noise floor...

Last night I tuned my S64 to a strong local antenna channel and A/B switched between my digital HD cable box on the same channel with HDMI for comparison. I expected the antenna input to be better or the same quality since it eliminates any Comcast compression and pass-through or processing loss through my AVR, but the antenna picture had red push (on faces) and noticeable dithering even in small solidish colored areas! Then I noticed that it was on Standard mode - apparently you can have different calibrations for different input sources. So I copied my settings from HDMI to Antenna and the pictures are identical as far as I can tell. One strange thing is a couple of nights ago I had started trying out the AVS HD709 calibrations from USB and cranked up my brightness from 0 to 13 for pattern 1 (haven't had time to calibrate through the rest of the patterns yet), but the antenna Cinema settings copied had brightness at 0 and reset my HDMI brightness settings to 0 as well. I don't know how that happened as I don't think there is a "save settings to ROM" function on the TV - it is live WSYWG as far as I know. I've turned off power savings, CATS, all Noise Reduction processing, set color to neutral and iterated from Standard to Home Theater to Cinema in my setup configuration. I think the default warm color mode was the cause of the red push and either Standard mode or NR was the cause of the dithering. Those two artifacts alone would have caused me to think plasmas were inferior to CRTs if I had compared my old CRT to the S64 with the factory default setting. I don't know why Panasonic sets the default to such a poor picture. I hope to calibrate with the rest of the AVS HD709 patterns (just burned a DVD through Windows yesterday, but wonder if USB will be a better way to go as it eliminates any processing artifacts from my BDP and AVR) to get my set to the best possible that I can do, then will write down my settings before trying out Fairchild's latest Cinema iteration to see the difference. Who knew a TV could be so technical and require more geekyness than setting up a PC? eek.gif I'm tempted to use the HD709 to calibrate my PC's 24" LCD monitor next...
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Originally Posted by joemiller5390 View Post

can someone pleaseeeeeeeee help me. im trying to connect my laptop to my tc-p42s60 and i am getting no where..... pleaseeee help. some1 did answer me but im not sure if i replyed quick enough and wanna try to get a few opinions. additional info would be. connecting thru just hdmi and ive tried every resolution. its says 1920x1080 is recommended and im doing this thru the screen resolution options when i right click as well as tried looking thru control panel >hardware &sound>display and tired every posbile thing i know of. once again thank you in advance and please help. i will try to check back much more frequantly as i did just buy the tv and i love everything aout it ut this is almost a deal breaker to me seeing i do alot on the computer and a bigger screen every now and then would be nice.

Someone did help you a few pages back, but you didn't respond to him or answer his questions - you just came back again and pasted your same question for like the 5th time.

Just go back a few pages and read his response and try what he said to try, and if that doesn't work then answer his questions and provide more info so someone can help you diagnose it.

I can display my laptop's desktop on my Plasma via HDMI just fine (by using either "Duplicate These Displays" or "Extend These Displays" and both settings work perfectly. Make sure your video card's HDMI output is HDCP compliant - if it is NOT HDCP compliant (many cards are not) then the TV will not display your desktop (it's a form of copyright protection).
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Hi all, first post.

My Costco has some 50PS64 in stock but has a 55UT50 for $100 less. Which has the better value? They both looked nice in person.
post #2316 of 6832
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Originally Posted by chrball View Post

The replacement S64 I got from Costco has significantly less buzz. It's still somewhat noticeable but only from the back of the TV, and it seems more localized to the top corners. It's almost completely inaudible sitting even just a few feet in front of the screen.

Glad to hear - sounds like your last one was defective and hope this one satisfies you. I don't hear any buzz with TV content except with my ear an inch away from the front or behind the panel near the top corner speaker vents. The only time I heard buzz from my couch 10 feet away was with the brighter grey and white D-Nice slides and I'm wouldn't be concerned with that unless I intended to use it as a PC monitor. That would akin to tuning into an FM channel with no music (static snow) and cranking your amplifier to max clipping levels to hear the noise floor...

Last night I tuned my S64 to a strong local antenna channel and A/B switched between my digital HD cable box on the same channel with HDMI for comparison. I expected the antenna input to be better or the same quality since it eliminates any Comcast compression and pass-through or processing loss through my AVR, but the antenna picture had red push (on faces) and noticeable dithering even in small solidish colored areas! Then I noticed that it was on Standard mode - apparently you can have different calibrations for different input sources. So I copied my settings from HDMI to Antenna and the pictures are identical as far as I can tell. One strange thing is a couple of nights ago I had started trying out the AVS HD709 calibrations from USB and cranked up my brightness from 0 to 13 for pattern 1 (haven't had time to calibrate through the rest of the patterns yet), but the antenna Cinema settings copied had brightness at 0 and reset my HDMI brightness settings to 0 as well. I don't know how that happened as I don't think there is a "save settings to ROM" function on the TV - it is live WSYWG as far as I know. I've turned off power savings, CATS, all Noise Reduction processing, set color to neutral and iterated from Standard to Home Theater to Cinema in my setup configuration. I think the default warm color mode was the cause of the red push and either Standard mode or NR was the cause of the dithering. Those two artifacts alone would have caused me to think plasmas were inferior to CRTs if I had compared my old CRT to the S64 with the factory default setting. I don't know why Panasonic sets the default to such a poor picture. I hope to calibrate with the rest of the AVS HD709 patterns (just burned a DVD through Windows yesterday, but wonder if USB will be a better way to go as it eliminates any processing artifacts from my BDP and AVR) to get my set to the best possible that I can do, then will write down my settings before trying out Fairchild's latest Cinema iteration to see the difference. Who knew a TV could be so technical and require more geekyness than setting up a PC? eek.gif I'm tempted to use the HD709 to calibrate my PC's 24" LCD monitor next...
post #2317 of 6832
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Originally Posted by startswithwill View Post

Hi all, first post.

My Costco has some 50PS64 in stock but has a 55UT50 for $100 less. Which has the better value? They both looked nice in person.

I dont think there are any major differences between the model year, but the S64 does have the Louvre filter (anti-reflective coation) which even the UT50 and S60 don't have.

For $100 less the UT50 sounds like a pretty good deal though. Especially since its the 55-inch. If you think the larger size screen would be better go for it. If you get a lot of lighting from windows I'd probably get the S64.

It's Costco - you get a 90-day return so you could try the UT50 and of the light reflections are bad try the 64.
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Originally Posted by 4top455 View Post

[IMG]Just recd my TC65PS64 ...ahead of schedule (surprised by CEVA...despite bad rep and that they just opened box for visual check ...no setup etc.) setup took about 20 mins need wife's help to put tv on stand (too big for one person)

Surprised to hear that. Did you have white glove delivery from Costco? Or was it it Sam's? I had White Glove with Costco. Ceva brought it upstairs, unpacked, attached stand, placed it on my TV stand, and ensured it turned on.
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It was the 100 dollar shipping i dont think there was any other offered ...5yrs ago amazon and ceva did setup the tv (white glv) on my samsung
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Last night I tuned my S64 to a strong local antenna channel and A/B switched between my digital HD cable box on the same channel with HDMI for comparison. I expected the antenna input to be better or the same quality since it eliminates any Comcast compression and pass-through or processing loss through my AVR, but the antenna picture had red push (on faces) and noticeable dithering even in small solidish colored areas! Then I noticed that it was on Standard mode - apparently you can have different calibrations for different input sources. So I copied my settings from HDMI to Antenna and the pictures are identical as far as I can tell.
They should be. It is a common misconception that OTA is superior to cable. First, FCC regulations prohibit cable from materially degrading local stations. Second, many stations today feed cable through Fiber optics. There the cable signal may well be superior to OTA when the local station has multiple sub-channels (as is typical of PBS stations). The excessive compression that Comcrap (and both satellite companies) are notorious for are confined to the cable channels (like Food, TNT, etc.)
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post #2321 of 6832
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Originally Posted by copster30 View Post

Surprised to hear that. Did you have white glove delivery from Costco? Or was it it Sam's? I had White Glove with Costco. Ceva brought it upstairs, unpacked, attached stand, placed it on my TV stand, and ensured it turned on.

I think Sam's online only has shipping equivalent to their basic B&M $50? store delivery - only to a room on the first level. For like $15 more you can get delivery up to a 2nd floor including basic setup, but only if you buy from a local store. I think it's because their online business contracts long distance shipping from generic shipping companies, not to a local electronics delivery and install specialist like Best Buy (or probably the local store club) does.
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

They should be. It is a common misconception that OTA is superior to cable. First, FCC regulations prohibit cable from materially degrading local stations. Second, many stations today feed cable through Fiber optics. There the cable signal may well be superior to OTA when the local station has multiple sub-channels (as is typical of PBS stations). The excessive compression that Comcrap (and both satellite companies) are notorious for are confined to the cable channels (like Food, TNT, etc.)
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While our local network station studios are mostly located downtown, the digital transmission towers are some 18 miles west of downtown on top of the foothills at 8,000 feet. I've been to tours of both local stations and one transmission tower building, and believe they actually feed the cable networks directly from their downtown studios. I think they may send the signal from downtown via satellite to the transmission towers. So the cable feeds should be even better quality, plus I live an additional 7 miles southeast of downtown for probably a flight distance of 25 miles to the towers. Ha, I thought I was the only one that called it Comcrap!
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CORRECTION: apologies but id ordered threshold vs white glove .. My bad ! Just to clarify i didnt see the other option in my excitement !!
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Originally Posted by copster30 View Post

Surprised to hear that. Did you have white glove delivery from Costco? Or was it it Sam's? I had White Glove with Costco. Ceva brought it upstairs, unpacked, attached stand, placed it on my TV stand, and ensured it turned on.
My bad i had threshold only ....
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Can someone explain the S64 to me? Is it a limited product? Can you only get it at Costco? I guess I'm just worried that if I don't jump on one now for $699 they will be sold out, or would I be safe waiting another 2 months?
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Originally Posted by startswithwill View Post

Can someone explain the S64 to me? Is it a limited product? Can you only get it at Costco? I guess I'm just worried that if I don't jump on one now for $699 they will be sold out, or would I be safe waiting another 2 months?
Its a wholesale /club version of S60 ...and has the anti reflective coating from the ST60....other than that its a s60 .I dont know what availability will be like in 2 mths ...maybe someone who does will chime in!!
post #2328 of 6832
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Originally Posted by startswithwill View Post

Can someone explain the S64 to me? Is it a limited product? Can you only get it at Costco? I guess I'm just worried that if I don't jump on one now for $699 they will be sold out, or would I be safe waiting another 2 months?

It's also available at Sam's club. Both clubs online stores too. Only the 65" version was available until about last week, when they got shipments of the 50". Supposedly it's a limited test run, so you might want to grab one if you come across one in a store. Both clubs have 90 day return periods, so you can't really loose if you get one now. The AR filter is designed for overhead lighting and seems somewhat effective combating low angle sunlight through my mini-blinds as it doesn't wash out like my old CRT used to during Sunday afternoon football in the fall.
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I asked the Panasonic insider guy over at the other site if they were indeed limited run. He essentially explained that no they are not a limited run, but that one store was testing them out and that the other was on board and selling them.

That is not verbatim, but basically what he said. Though he didn't mention which store was which in that scenario.

I also thought it was interesting that he basically said the S64 was very important to Panasonic. Can't remember exactly but I think he was referring this in comparison to the ST60 series. Moonchilde asked if it was because they made more of a profit on the S64...was that why? He said no that was not the reason, but didn't offer anything further.

After having the TV, I would venture to guess it's because they have spent a very good deal on making such a nice affordable line of TV's, and they want to see the line become successful. IDK really though.
Edited by mphfrom77 - 6/22/13 at 10:38pm
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Hi all,

First time plasma owner -- I just purchased a 50PS64 from Costco earlier today.

Unfortunately I'm also dealing with the buzzing issue that chrball described earlier. Seated about six feet away from the television, I can hear a distinct buzzing noise at 50% contrast while running slides. Here's a video of the noise (note my phone isn't sensitive at a distance, but the noise you hear at the very end at the back of the unit I can hear seated on my couch): http://youtu.be/3cVs7MRZbjA

Is this within "normal" plasma tolerances? Or did I get a particularly noisy set? Returning/exchanging the set is a pain for me because I need to rent a car to drive out there, but I'm pretty bummed by the noise.

Any thoughts/tips would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

EDIT: Some caveats -- my room has hardwood floors, and the set is about a foot from the wall, so it's possible it's bouncing from the back of the unit towards the couch. I had a friend test it with me and they can definitely hear it from six feet away. We both have good hearing.
Edited by plasmanoob2013 - 6/23/13 at 2:31am
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My S64 came with what appear to be three RF chokes (plastic tubes housing magnets that go around cords). I did not spot any documentation for them, and have not used them. There is one large one, and two smaller ones. I am guessing one for the AC cord, and one for each HDMI? I googled and searched the online manuals, but did not spot a reference to them.

Years ago I lived in a house with a lot of RF, and had to use chokes for stereos and guitar amps, but don't recall a video issue. Not spotting any RF issues with the current setup. Anybody have information on this?
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U50 - 23ms
UT50 - 40ms
X60 - Have no idea but i wouldn't bother with it anyways! XP
S60 - 34ms

Too bad the U50 doesn't come in 55" or has gamma presets because i'd be all over it rather than the S60. XP
Edited by WaveBoy - 6/23/13 at 8:35am
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thanks smile.gif so the best should be u50??
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From CNET's S60 review...

"The selection here is better than in 2012's equivalent "U" models. Highlights include a two-point grayscale and a color management for the primary colors -- although the multipoint grayscale and gamma controls of previous years go missing. The company has also added another picture mode, Home Theater, atop its standard four, and a cool "copy adjustments" option that allows you to migrate your picture settings from one input or mode to others."

Ok wait a second...Somebody in this thread said that the S60 does in fact have gamma(2.2, 2.4 ect)contols...A little confused here?
post #2335 of 6832
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Originally Posted by plasmanoob2013 View Post

First time plasma owner -- I just purchased a 50PS64 from Costco earlier today.

Unfortunately I'm also dealing with the buzzing issue that chrball described earlier. Seated about six feet away from the television, I can hear a distinct buzzing noise at 50% contrast while running slides. Here's a video of the noise (note my phone isn't sensitive at a distance, but the noise you hear at the very end at the back of the unit I can hear seated on my couch): http://youtu.be/3cVs7MRZbjA

Is this within "normal" plasma tolerances? Or did I get a particularly noisy set? Returning/exchanging the set is a pain for me because I need to rent a car to drive out there, but I'm pretty bummed by the noise.

Any thoughts/tips would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

EDIT: Some caveats -- my room has hardwood floors, and the set is about a foot from the wall, so it's possible it's bouncing from the back of the unit towards the couch. I had a friend test it with me and they can definitely hear it from six feet away. We both have good hearing.

Do you hear buzzing from 6 feet away with normal content (TV or BD)? I couldn't hear it with mine except with my ear an inch away or behind the set at the speaker vents at the top corners. The only time I heard buzzing from my couch 10 feet away was with the whiter slides, but that's not representative of normal viewing, so it doesn't bother me.

You might also try placing some foam pads behind the set (maybe right behind the speaker vents) to see if that helps.

While I have wall to wall carpeting, I also have no curtains or wall hangings to soak up noise reflections, so my room has pretty "live" acoustics.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Now THAT is how a properly functioning Plasma should sound at the very worst. I can hear my older G10 buzz no more than 2 feet from the screen, and with my GT50 it's virtually silent unless i put my ear behind the TV in the upper corners. My old PX50U buzz was inaudible beyond 2-3 feet on a bright screen, but a few months ago it started buzzing a little louder and now i can hear it at 4-5 feet. And i have good hearing.

On the same topic of buzzing, I'm about to return my 50" S64 to Costco and exchange it for another one, with the hope that I luck out and get a a panel that has less buzzing. I am replacing a 50" U50, which buzzed as well (as all plasmas do), but not nearly as much, and I was able to confirm this by putting them side by side with the same OTA content and muting back and forth to compare. Honestly, the main problem was that the S64 had a noticeable buzz on a black screen with no content, while the U50 did not. This "background" no content buzzing was also at a higher pitch, and when combined with the usual buzzing on bright content made it way more noticeable to my ears, even at 11-12' away at a reasonable volume.

chrball's recent success after swapping out panels has pushed me in favor of replacing myself and hoping I have the same results. I'll keep everyone informed.

Otherwise, the S64 with the AR filter, more advanced controls, and added apps/DLNA is a considerable step up from the U50. Wish I didn't have to hassle with an exchange.
Edited by djsketchie - 6/23/13 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by nopedals View Post

My S64 came with what appear to be three RF chokes (plastic tubes housing magnets that go around cords). I did not spot any documentation for them, and have not used them. There is one large one, and two smaller ones. I am guessing one for the AC cord, and one for each HDMI? I googled and searched the online manuals, but did not spot a reference to them.

Years ago I lived in a house with a lot of RF, and had to use chokes for stereos and guitar amps, but don't recall a video issue. Not spotting any RF issues with the current setup. Anybody have information on this?

My S64 didn't come with these. Most of my HDMI cables are manufactured with these ferrite cores. I've heard that the better built cables don't need them. I just bought a couple of super high resolution (supports 4k) HDMI cables that don't come with them. If you don't have RF issues, than I wouldn't bother with them - or you could install them just to be safe anyway.

Waveboy, Fairchild changed gamma in his calibrated settings, so I assume this set has them.
post #2338 of 6832
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Do you hear buzzing from 6 feet away with normal content (TV or BD)? I couldn't hear it with mine except with my ear an inch away or behind the set at the speaker vents at the top corners. The only time I heard buzzing from my couch 10 feet away was with the whiter slides, but that's not representative of normal viewing, so it doesn't bother me.

I can hear it with normal content -- not just the slides. Watched an episode of Arrested Development on Netflix at low volume and both my friend and I could hear buzzing through the speech and in moments where there was no dialogue.

One concern I have with exchanging the set is getting one that is *more* defective (popping, dead pixels, etc)... Bleh.
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Originally Posted by djsketchie View Post

On the same topic of buzzing, I'm about to return my 50" S60 to Costco and exchange it for another one, with the hope that I luck out and get a a panel that has less buzzing. I am replacing a 50" U50, which buzzed as well (as all plasmas do), but not nearly as much, and I was able to confirm this by putting them side by side with the same OTA content and muting back and forth to compare. Honestly, the main problem was that the S60 had a noticeable buzz on a black screen with no content, while the U50 did not. This "background" no content buzzing had was also at a higher pitch, which when combined with the usual buzzing on bright content made it way more noticeable to my ears, even at 11-12' away at a reasonable volume.

chrball's recent success after swapping out panel's has pushed me in favor of replacing myself and hoping I have the same results. I'll keep everyone informed.

Otherwise, the S60 with the AR filter, more advanced controls, and added apps/DLNA is a considerable step up from the U50. Wish I didn't have to hassle with an exchange.

Buzzing on a black screen definitely sounds like a defective set. I didn't hear buzzing with any of the colored or darker grey to black slides.
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> If you don't have RF issues

RF = hearing radio stations, right? Don't hear those, so they go in the drawer.
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