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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

Is there normally this much buzzing and popping trolling happening on this thread? good gravy!

I just got on this thread because I just bought the 42S60 (which is fantastic save for the iOS app not being able to turn the TV ON) and I've never seen so much tom-foolery.mad.gif

hi,The app functions via wi-fi ....so once the tv is off...it is no longer connected to your network and hence the inability to turn on.There would need to be a standby mode for the tv to maintain a wifi connection(when turned off) for that to happen...
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Went to BestBuy today. For kicks, i put my head behind every S60 and ST60 on display, they had 3 on the wall..in different sizes.

they all had the SAME EXACT buzz-hum sound my TV has, the same sound described in this thread, and the same sound as in the posted Youtube videos.
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Originally Posted by esk1 View Post

My HTPC not being quiet would annoy me cause the thing is on 24/7 when I'm doing other things in the room, but if my TV made a little noise I'm not sure that would be a big deal unless I could hear it over watching anything.

When I started building my HTPC in 2008, I ordered a Hitachi 1 TB drive and that thing made a cyclical thumping seek noise every minute or so. I had spec'd the HTPC to be silent, cool, and green, an Antec case with 2 120 mm fans running at low speed, on-board GPU and sound and an 80/20 power supply, and an external networked Silicon Dust dual OTA/QAM tuner The TV and AVR were off, all the windows were closed, no HVAC running, and I could hear the low frequency thumping and figured it would drive me crazy. I ended up abandoning the HTPC build because they hadn't started full power digital OTA broadcasting yet and I had problems tuning in stations and pulled the drive and put it in my PC so I could dual boot Ubuntu and Windows 7. It was still noisier than my other 750 GB WD drive in the PC, which is in an Antec 900 case with 3 120mm fans at low speed.

When I listened for buzzing, I muted my AVR sound to 0 dB and my HTPC was off as well as having my windows closed, no ceiling fans running, and the HVAC off. That's pretty much SOP to turn off all other sources of sound interference when I'm conducting critical listening tests of speakers or whatever. The other day, the refrigerator compressor in my large living/dining/kitchen area kicked on and the noise was noticeable so I didn't listen for buzzing then. I think the majority (90%+?) of owners don't hear buzzing with normal content at normal seating position with sound on. Maybe someone should post a poll? For a first time plasma (or LCD, excluding my 24" for my TV) owner, I'm glad I don't have buzzing (at 5300 ft!), pops, or experienced IR even though I have fallen asleep with my AVR menu up (black side bars) and the AVS HD709 calibration pattern 1 on a couple of nights last week. I'd like to think my hearing is good as several hearing tests have not shown any deficiencies and I'm able to hear things like the ticking of my small analog clock from my master bathroom, which drives me crazy when I'm having insomnia.

I'm surprised they only include the extra ferrite cores with the 50" models. I guess if I received them I would put them on since being an audiophile, I'm pretty anal about sound quality (and video since AVS is turning me into a videophile as well), and would want to avoid any possibility of interference or audio/video noise. They're free and if there is no chance of negative effects, why not? Hell, even the spinning noise of a CD or DVD is of concern to me!
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I found a partially dead pixel on my s60 this morning, really kinda bummed about it but it is invisible at my normal viewing distance. You often hear horror stories where dead pixels end up spreading over time.

I am just over a week out of my 30 day return policy so that is out, and I know Panasonic will do nothing about a partially dead, single pixel (red subpixel is out, and the blue one seems to be somewhat out, green is fine).

I only noticed it by accident, and it's very possible it's been there since day one, no way to know. Lame!

**edit**

I took a picture. Seems to be the two ends of two separate cells. Don't know if thats better or worse then a whole cell being out. My guess is that each cell that isnt at a board comprises a whole pixel, a half of two separate pixels, the others halves coming of neighboring cells. Just a guess.


Edited by xenon9887 - 6/25/13 at 1:11pm
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Friend of mine got the 65" version of this set from Costco a couple of weeks ago. She also purchased a mount from Costco that can handle up to 80". Well the installer got to her house & declared that this set & the mount were incompatible. What is this forums concession of the best mount for this set? This is going over a fireplace, so downward tilt is a must. Right-left swivel would be nice but not a requirement. biggrin.gif
Edited by lovswr - 6/25/13 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

Is there normally this much buzzing and popping trolling happening on this thread? good gravy!

I just got on this thread because I just bought the 42S60 (which is fantastic save for the iOS app not being able to turn the TV ON) and I've never seen so much tom-foolery.mad.gif

Of any trollishness I've seen over S60/S64's, I don't personally view the buzz complaints as that. Sensitivities to potentially irritating continuous or repetitive noises appear to vary quite a lot subjectively. Also, appears quite a few people believe buzzing can vary in different panels. edit: post 2414 below contains a link to a thread that covers 3 different causes of buzzing suggesting why they can be so variable. It also has one unlikely but clever DIY buzz fix that works for some people with a cracked transformer frame.
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Originally Posted by Eddie Arkadian View Post

Went to BestBuy today. For kicks, i put my head behind every S60 and ST60 on display, they had 3 on the wall..in different sizes.

they all had the SAME EXACT buzz-hum sound my TV has, the same sound described in this thread, and the same sound as in the posted Youtube videos.

Eddie, that's interesting info. Thanks for posting. I clicked the helpful button. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

I found a partially dead pixel on my s60 this morning, really kinda bummed about it but it is invisible at my normal viewing distance. You often hear horror stories where dead pixels end up spreading over time.

I am just over a week out of my 30 day return policy so that is out, and I know Panasonic will do nothing about a partially dead, single pixel (red subpixel is out, and the blue one seems to be somewhat out, green is fine).

I only noticed it by accident, and it's very possible it's been there since day one, no way to know. Lame!

**edit**

I took a picture. Seems to be the two ends of two separate cells. Don't know if thats better or worse then a whole cell being out. My guess is that each cell that isnt at a board comprises a whole pixel, a half of two separate pixels, the others halves coming of neighboring cells. Just a guess.


Sorry to hear it. How on earth did you get such a high res ultra close up pic? Great job on that!

Not sure if it will help since it doesn't really look like "stuck" pixels. I wonder if Pixel Flipper might make it better? Or not..
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/25/13 at 7:14pm
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Was considering DynaMat or other tar like acoustical dampener to reduce back panel sheet metal resonance and maybe with it, the audible effects of the already soft popping. Might also help reduce buzz if that ever crops up??

Instead, how about the magnetic printer paper for making magnet signs and other doodads?

Easily removable for warranty work or return, 8-1/2" x 11", probably not as effective as DynaMat, but it does seem highly rubberized and fairly thick. Can any amount of magnetic gauss from this fairly weak but large surface area magnet get through the thin steel sheet metal to cause PQ problems on the TV? I doubt it, but...:

I think I have some of the stuff around. If I can find it, I'll "take one for the team" and see if it causes any problems and/or reduces noise any - though I'm splitting hair here; it's not necessary at all on my TV, at least not yet.
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/25/13 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post


Sorry to hear it. How on earth did you get such a high res ultra close up pic? Great job on that!

Not sure if it will help since it doesn't really look like "stuck" pixels. I wonder if Pixel Flipper might make it better? Or not..

I just used the super macro mode on my old FugiFilm s700. Some of the only things that camera is still good for is that is has decent optical zoom (10x) and is able to focus on something like a cm away from the lens. If I got my tripod out and focused on getting a good exposure at the lowest iso I should be able to get a clearer picture. A project for tonight! I'll follow up on this!
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Originally Posted by esk1 View Post

I just got mine delivered yesterday and it seems pretty quiet. Mine is wall mounted on a articulating mount so it is a few feet from any wall, but even putting my head behind the tv I'd say it is quieter than most PC's. Since it is only on when a sound system is on it is definitely not an issue. I don't want to downplay the problem that some user's are having but I wouldn't let that stop you from buying one especially with the return policy at Costco.
Thanks, pulling the trigger.
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Couldn't find my magnetic printer paper for the back panel resonance attenuation experiment. Excuses.

Ordering some.

Disclaimer: I don't suggest trying the above 'til I can report on: 1.) Does it do any good? 2.) Does the magnetism cause problems, or worse, permanent damage the TV? Because of these concerns, I'm going to try the weaker magnet sheets first versus the thick powerful stuff for automotive magnet signs.

Can anyone link pictures of an S60 or 64 with the back panel off? I'd like to keep the magnet sheets away from the pc boards. Thanks!
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/25/13 at 7:17pm
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Watched too many YouTube vids on Panny's buzzing today and finally heard it in one. So now I hope my panel doesn't start doing it 'cause I can't "unhear" it. Once I heard it in the vid, I can see why it can be such an annoyance depending upon magnitude. It's not just high pitched but sort of like a rough screeching. I guess I was reminded somewhat of fingernails on a chalk board, but then, the one vid where I could hear it must have been REALLY loud to get through my hearing loss.

It is high pitched and definitely in the frequency range of some of my worst tinnitus.

Link fwiw about 3 buzz causes and 1 DIY fix for older Pannys. Looks like midkay was in there, so I don't remember if this was already linked in the S60 thread and maybe I missed it:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1327177/found-fix-for-buzz-on-panasonic-plasma-2010
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/25/13 at 7:18pm
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So what the hell is going on with the 42" TVs? A handful of months and they're already discontinued and out of stock everywhere? I was really hoping to pick one of these up with my next paycheck...

Any alternatives or ideas?
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Originally Posted by Eddie Arkadian View Post

Question, did all of your units make similar popping sounds?
I'm sorry PN.

Nope, only the second and third unit. In retrospect, I wish I'd kept the first. PQ was perfect, and buzzing was tolerable, although not ideal.
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Originally Posted by t1337Dude View Post

So what the hell is going on with the 42" TVs? A handful of months and they're already discontinued and out of stock everywhere? I was really hoping to pick one of these up with my next paycheck...

Any alternatives or ideas?
I got mine as a clearance item from Sears; and Amazon will not carry it again. It's weird.

Got it for $399 with $100 store credit back so they are REALLY on clearance.
Edited by Cravit8 - 6/26/13 at 6:51am
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When in Custom mode, does the S60 suffer from white clipping or unatural bright whites? That aside, it seems like this set is outstanding with it's amazing black levels, bright picture, gamma and color presets, accurate color and 2 frames of input lag. cool.gif having to wait for a month to get my 55"incher is going to be hell.biggrin.gif
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Apparently I took a picture right when the scene was transitioning and didn't realize it on my phone due to the small amount of detail

I've only had this TV a few days, I ran slides for a bit, but have been mainly playing HD movies back to back on the set. I worked from home for two days and was just constantly looking in the next room and being amazed by the picture quality. I'll keep being slightly easy on the tv for another week or so while I break it in. I used fairchilds s60 settings for the most part, with a few minute changes that looked better to my eyes, I'll probably check them again when I have over 100 hrs on the set to see how the picture has changed. I haven't heard any popping and the buzzing is quiet even behind the panel, I wanted to post the picture to show how it was mounted in case that makes any difference. After getting this TV installed in my house for a few days my only fear anymore is IR for sports.

I just bought threshold delivery, I wasn't really paying attention to the options and for $35 I probably would've paid for the white glove. I'm glad I didn't though because I had to move my mount at 1 inch up to get the TV center in the hole, it was going to be way too close to the shelf to look good. The 46 inch that was here before was mounted low, for better viewing angle. The delivery guys just dropped off the box in my living room and wouldn't even let me open the thing, the box looked in perfect condition but they were anxious to leave so I didn't push to get them to stay while I opened the box and powered it on. I figured with Costco's return policy there wasn't a whole lot to worry about.

One negative I have is that I have lighting installed around the edges of my room in part of the ceiling that drops down, we use to use this as kind of movie theatre like ambient lighting. The glare on this screen isn't bad and only noticeable on dark colors but due to the Size of the screen I'm picking up lights in the background that I didn't get before. This would of been a problem with the prior TV if it wasn't so tiny. I've just been watching TV with the lights off for now, I do have a center fan/light that is out of the way of glare I can run but It is right above where you sit and distracting to the viewer. I'm not sure what I'm going to do, I tend to be a night owl and like a bit of ambient light, turning those lights around the room on super low was a great low light level. I might have to install some track lights in the back of the room pointing the opposite direction or mess with some LEDs. I also need to remount my side speakers now that they are covered by the TV.

I will say I didn't realize how bad SD content would look on this set. This is a function of size, but I think some big TVs might do SD content better. I rarely watch any, but I did put on a DVD yesterday and found it watchable but distracting. If your buying a 65 inch tv to watch SD content something is wrong. We also use to play snes/n64 in this room but that might have to move to the office where the 46 LCD is going, I'll have to give that a try after the initial break in time. I also have a bunch of blu ray rips from my collection on my xbmc box (I run pseudo TV on xbmc and like to have that on discovery feel) and at one point many years ago I only did 720p rips, The difference even between 720p and 1080p on this set is pretty amazing
Edited by esk1 - 6/26/13 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by esk1 View Post


I will say I didn't realize how bad SD content would look on this set. This is a function of size, but I think some big TVs might do SD content better. I rarely watch any, but I did put on a DVD yesterday and found it watchable but distracting. If your buying a 65 inch tv to watch SD content something is wrong. We also use to play snes/n64 in this room but that might have to move to the office where the 46 LCD is going, I'll have to give that a try after the initial break in time. I also have a bunch of blu ray rips from my collection on my xbmc box (I run pseudo TV on xbmc and like to have that on discovery feel) and at one point many years ago I only did 720p rips, The difference even between 720p and 1080p on this set is pretty amazing

DVD may look horrible, decent, or almost HD.
Toy Story 1 (might be an Anniversary edition) has a maxed out bitrate (which is advertised on the front of the case) for DVD and it really shows, whenever I would play it people thought it was HD. After getting the BD the difference is only noticeable to me.

SD cable tv looks atrocious, just flat out hideous, so much so that I have only watched 2 hours worth in the 12 months we have had cable.
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

DVD may look horrible, decent, or almost HD.
Toy Story 1 (might be an Anniversary edition) has a maxed out bitrate (which is advertised on the front of the case) for DVD and it really shows, whenever I would play it people thought it was HD. After getting the BD the difference is only noticeable to me.

SD cable tv looks atrocious, just flat out hideous, so much so that I have only watched 2 hours worth in the 12 months we have had cable.

I doubt most people can tell the difference from my 720p and 1080p rips either, I had toy story 1 and 3 in 720 and 2 in 1080p (no clue why), and its immediately noticeable to me. I can't really tell much difference from native blu ray and 1080p encodes though, I might have to pull up some of the same scenes and see. My SO that lives with me had a 46 inch LCD in her condo when we first met, she was paying for HD cable watching HD channels but had the box hooked up via standard RCA. I brought over a HDMI cable and she claimed she could barely tell the difference so I'm not exactly dealing with the most A/V obsessed crowd. She spent a day telling me that people looked to big on the TV, and only admitted last night how much better it was. Mind you we sit 13 feet away so a 60-65 inch tv was needed to not have to squint. I actually haven't tried any SD cable just DVD's, Uverse has SD and HD separated (HD channels are the same number +1000, I hate the way say TWC does it.) and I never really ventured into SD even before this TV.
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When I started shopping for a large plasma (60"+) a few months ago, I could immediately tell the difference between 720p on older sets and the current sets with 1080p at Sears. I could clearly see pixellation on the 780p sets and they may only have been 50"+.

Your story reminded me of back in 2003 when I bought my first HDTV, a Sony 34XBR800 CRT that my 65S64 just replaced, and got digital HD cable with a DVR installed by a Comcrap contractor that hooked it up with the same crappy coax cable I had before with my old 20" CRT. The resolution was horrible and letter-boxed and after going online here to find out what was wrong, discovered I needed to use component or HDMI cables. So I went in to the local Comcrap office and they gave me component cables, which I installed and it dramatically improved my picture to HD. Later I replaced the component cable with an HDMI cable.
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

DVD may look horrible, decent, or almost HD.
Toy Story 1 (might be an Anniversary edition) has a maxed out bitrate (which is advertised on the front of the case) for DVD and it really shows, whenever I would play it people thought it was HD. After getting the BD the difference is only noticeable to me.

SD cable tv looks atrocious, just flat out hideous, so much so that I have only watched 2 hours worth in the 12 months we have had cable.

DVDs are basically 480p x 720 pixels.
NTSC (SD TV) AT BEST is essentially 480i x 336 pixels (as the system is analog, there is no such thing as "pixels" in the signal) (VHS tapes are only 480i x 240).

So no wonder thee difference is obvious! DVD by itself is a huge step forward!

I've also seen some pretty good up-conversions from 480p DVDs to 1080p that are darn hard to tell from Blu-Rays (Toshiba, having lost the HD DVD/BluRay battle came up with a real good upconversion process in an attempt to negate rival Sony's BluRay system.
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Originally Posted by esk1 View Post

My SO that lives with me had a 46 inch LCD in her condo when we first met, she was paying for HD cable watching HD channels but had the box hooked up via standard RCA. I brought over a HDMI cable and she claimed she could barely tell the difference so I'm not exactly dealing with the most A/V obsessed crowd.

I still get some angst against people, mostly woman, that will look at 2 images and say they don't really see a differences. And then I realize we are just flat out wired differently, cause when I've been asked about 2 floral arrangements I get that same look on my face.
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man, this popping is really getting to me. Sadly the popping/cracking seems to be progressing on my 65S64. i kept a tally, i counted 10 pops in the first hour...and it doesn't stop there. It's getting to the point it pops once every 5-10 minutes, maybe one pop every 1/2 an hour. I find myself sitting there waiting for the pops and they just keep coming. It's getting close to the point of no return. I'm seriously considering returning the TV and upgrading to the 65" VT or the Samsung 64" 8500. at this point i don't care about having to pay double. These pops are slowly spoiling the fun that is my Panasonic 65S64. The TV should not be making that noise, and i find it totally unacceptable. I plan on owning this TV for 10+ years, and do i really want to hear these annoying pops everyday for the next 10 years? i don't...and sadly this problem has shown NO signs of slowing down, and i believe the problem is only getting worse.

This TV is a killer deal, but sadly in this instance...i'm getting what i paid for.
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Snap! Crackle! Pop! kellogg's rice S60's!
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I really can't believe how easily irritated you guys are by such a minor noise. Maybe it's just me but it's an easy price to pay for what I get in return, and heck i'm still used to my old 27" sony trinitron that would make cracks so loud you could hear them in the basement with the office door shut.

By all means, if it is so bothersome, return the thing. Same goes for buzzing. That past 5 pages have been almost nothing but complaining about these issues. WE GET IT.

I really don't mean to be a D!@# but this thread was such a great place for people to talk about this great (but clearly not flawless) tv. All this thread will do now is scare off potential new owners.

I've said enough, take it as you will!

Cheers
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Snap! Crackle! Pop! kellogg's rice S60's!
Mine does not of that. There is a crackle/pop noise after the tv is off that happens once every 2 minutes for about 20 minutes for some reason. Not going to return a 42" high quality plasma I got for $300 because of it.
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

I really can't believe how easily irritated you guys are by such a minor noise. Maybe it's just me but it's an easy price to pay for what I get in return, and heck i'm still used to my old 27" sony trinitron that would make cracks so loud you could hear them in the basement with the office door shut.

By all means, if it is so bothersome, return the thing. Same goes for buzzing. That past 5 pages have been almost nothing but complaining about these issues. WE GET IT.

I really don't mean to be a D!@# but this thread was such a great place for people to talk about this great (but clearly not flawless) tv. All this thread will do now is scare off potential new owners.

I've said enough, take it as you will!

Cheers

Xenon, i'm sorry you don't appreciate my input on this set.

I am simply posting my experience. We should be allowed to post our honest opinion in a respectful manner, that's what a forum is all about...honest first hand experiences and reviews, with hopes of helping others.

It's a very minor sound...however the frequency of the sound is getting worse and the accumulation of the pops is becoming a maor nuisance. I'm all for getting the best bang for one's buck, however the annoying pops are starting to become a constant reminder about how much i've saved. After a solid month of being serenaded with cracking while viewing my favorite movies & tv shows...after MUCH deliberation, this isn't the right TV for me.

This TV offers an incredible picture for the money. A Better 65" picture CANNOT be had at this pricepoint. This was the PERFECT TV for me, 65", excellent picture, no 3-D...ect. Trust me, do you think i want to spend an additional $1,500+ on something that serves the same exact purpose? HELL NO, but it is what it is.


For those that are in the market fot this TV, it's now $1,288 at Sam's Club
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+1

Dave,

While i don't know you from Adam, i find it hysterical you call your self a Video Perfectionist yet are +1ing a post complaining about me being irritated by a problem i'm experience with my TV.

Perfectionism, in psychology, is a personality trait characterized by a person's striving for flawlessness and setting excessively high performance standards.
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Originally Posted by Eddie Arkadian View Post

Xenon, i'm sorry you don't appreciate my input on this set.

I am simply posting my experience. We should be allowed to post our honest opinion in a respectful manner, that's what a forum is all about...honest first hand experiences and reviews, with hopes of helping others.

It's a very minor sound...however the frequency of the sound is getting worse and the accumulation of the pops is becoming a maor nuisance. I'm all for getting the best bang for one's buck, however the annoying pops are starting to become a constant reminder about how much i've saved. After a solid month of being serenaded with cracking while viewing my favorite movies & tv shows...after MUCH deliberation, this isn't the right TV for me.

This TV offers an incredible picture for the money. A Better 65" picture CANNOT be had at this pricepoint. This was the PERFECT TV for me, 65", excellent picture, no 3-D...ect. Trust me, do you think i want to spend an additional $1,500+ on something that serves the same exact purpose? HELL NO, but it is what it is.


For those that are in the market fot this TV, it's now $1,288 at Sam's Club

It must be said that I don't have an issue with people sharing their honest opinions and experiences, you are correct that is exactly why forums like these exist. I am just frustrated that this thread has become so saturated with fine people such as yourself who are posting their dissatisfaction for the same re-occurring flaws in the set. Whether or not these issues are major or minor are of course opinion, so I apologize if I trivialized their significance to you.

Unfortunately it seems like most of the people who are satisfied with their purchase have moved on, increasing the overall negativity of his thread as of late.

I guess all I can ask is that you fellas and lass' out there who still like their s60/s64, post about it! Show the love (or like smile.gif).
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Thread Starter 
For those of you who are experiencing loud plastic expansion popping on your TVs, it may very well just go away after some time. My old PX50U went through a severe popping phase for a few months then eventually stopped doing it and has been silent ever since. The same exact thing was happening on my small Toshiba LCD TV while i was watching it and continued for a while after shutting it off - and it eventually stopped doing it as well. I presume the plastic parts that were causing the problem finally got heat-cycled or worn-in or whatever and became quiet.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/848405/popping-panny
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If you hear the pops and buzzing and it irritates you, complaining here all day most likely will not fix the issue.
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