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post #2491 of 6832
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

I was thinking it was from Hitchhiker's Guide.

Do you know how to tell the actual hours you've had it on? I think it was posted early on in this thread, but can't remember if you had to get into the service menu or if it was somewhere in the normal menus. Because of my AVR's bug handling DVI-HDMI connection with my old CRT (had to go through a PITA of a few minutes of going through the cable box menu to reset DVI & audio settings every time I turned off the box, TV, or AVR), I got into the habit of leaving the TV on whenever I left the room to go upstairs to work on my computer or do other stuff, so the TV is on for more hours than otherwise - maybe that's good for aging and intial "burn-in".

Hitchhiker's Guide, IMHO, one of the greatest books of all time. Douglas Adams brit humor just knocks me over. Movie was great, too.

There is some way to access exact actual hours through the service menu, but I haven't done that. I kept close count at first; lazier count since 300 hours or so.


4top455: Re: Plasma trailing: I never saw yellow plasma trailing myself. However, I believe part of the reason I had a hard time getting used to the BIG panel was size showing motion errors much more AND overall plasma trailing. I first thought I was just getting used to it, but now I'm in the camp that believes plasma trailing reduces quite a bit during break in. IMHO, I noticed a lot of improvement by 300 hours; even more at 400 hours. Others disagree. Just one guy's opinion. Please evaluate closely for yourself before your return privilege is up.

Best of luck,

mm
post #2492 of 6832
I've had 65" S60 for a week now. considering it's my first plasma and it's still in break-in period, I've babied it the whole time.

3 days ago I've noticed that there is a horizontal bar with slightly yellowish tint covering the bottom 1/7th of the screen. it's only noticeable on all white screen. and it's like that on both HDMI sources.

TV was on for over 30 hours over the weekend and it's still not going away. Does anyone know what causes this? Is there a way to fix it?
post #2493 of 6832
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Originally Posted by mengu7 View Post

I've had 65" S60 for a week now. considering it's my first plasma and it's still in break-in period, I've babied it the whole time.

3 days ago I've noticed that there is a horizontal bar with slightly yellowish tint covering the bottom 1/7th of the screen. it's only noticeable on all white screen. and it's like that on both HDMI sources.

TV was on for over 30 hours over the weekend and it's still not going away. Does anyone know what causes this? Is there a way to fix it?

Sorry to say but that is not normal, lug that massive thing back and get a replacement. It must be and issue with the screen itself because as far as I know the screens drivers break the screen up in vertical columns not horizontal rows.

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Originally Posted by mengu7 View Post

I've had 65" S60 for a week now. considering it's my first plasma and it's still in break-in period, I've babied it the whole time.

3 days ago I've noticed that there is a horizontal bar with slightly yellowish tint covering the bottom 1/7th of the screen. it's only noticeable on all white screen. and it's like that on both HDMI sources.

TV was on for over 30 hours over the weekend and it's still not going away. Does anyone know what causes this? Is there a way to fix it?

yellowish tint? like sparklies against a certain color background?
post #2495 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

yellowish tint? like sparklies against a certain color background?

no sparkles.

let's say 1920x1080 jpg of white picture is displayed. bottom 1/7th of the screen (horizontal) is just slightly yellowish. the rest is completely white.
post #2496 of 6832
Any way to turn off the red led when this set is running? Just a minor annoyance...
post #2497 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

yellowish tint? like sparklies against a certain color background?

Doesn't sound normal, but it might be helpful for you to upload a picture of the issue this evening.
post #2498 of 6832
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Originally Posted by ferrous1 View Post

Any way to turn off the red led when this set is running? Just a minor annoyance...

Strangely enough, the LED never bothered me too much, which was good, because it isn't adjustable. However, someone here mentioned a product called LightDims, which are little pieces of stick-on cellophane in various sizes and shapes that really tame bright LEDs. I bought a pack ($10 or so), and applied them to a bunch of LEDs. It made a nice difference for my Pioneer AVR, which has an insanely bright blue power LED, which unlike the front panel, isn't dimmable. I bought the regular kind, which cuts something like 60% of the light IIRC. They also make a black-out kind which I didn't buy. Good product.
post #2499 of 6832
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Originally Posted by ferrous1 View Post

Any way to turn off the red led when this set is running? Just a minor annoyance...

Since the Light is an a shiny metal strip:

Aluminum Duct Tape

post #2500 of 6832
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

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Originally Posted by ferrous1 View Post

Any way to turn off the red led when this set is running? Just a minor annoyance...

Since the Light is an a shiny metal strip:

Aluminum Duct Tape


Yeah, you could run that down the left and right sides, and presto, instant ST60!
post #2501 of 6832
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Originally Posted by ferrous1 View Post

Any way to turn off the red led when this set is running? Just a minor annoyance...

I just use a little electrical tape (black) to cover it. LED/lights from devices when I'm trying to watch in pitch black viewing environment distract me.
post #2502 of 6832
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

I just use a little electrical tape (black) to cover it. LED/lights from devices when I'm trying to watch in pitch black viewing environment distract me.
That's the famous "Click & Clack" solution (as applied to automobile warning lights.rolleyes.gif
post #2503 of 6832
Snagged a new P42S60 off Craigslist for $420! I'm excited and almost scared how cheap this amazing TV is. I paid $600+ for a Panasonic Plasma in 2009 and that isn't going to be nearly as good looking as this (risen blacks and all).
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Anyone have issues with Hulu? It seems like it has buffering issues. The Netflix app works perfectly fine but the Hulu app gets jittery and never seems to be buffered enough.
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Originally Posted by t1337Dude View Post

Snagged a new P42S60 off Craigslist for $420! I'm excited and almost scared how cheap this amazing TV is. I paid $600+ for a Panasonic Plasma in 2009 and that isn't going to be nearly as good looking as this (risen blacks and all).

Goes to show my city can be lame, I tried to sell the 42" new-in-box for $400 on Craigslist (and bank $100 store credit I got from Sears) and got absolutely no calls on it. So I said, screw, I'll keep it.
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What's the deal with overscan settings? I noticed I had it enabled by default but when I disable it, there are a few pixels of gap on the sides of the picture, no longer exactly filling the entire frame. Is that normal?
post #2507 of 6832
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Originally Posted by uncleguito View Post

What's the deal with overscan settings? I noticed I had it enabled by default but when I disable it, there are a few pixels of gap on the sides of the picture, no longer exactly filling the entire frame. Is that normal?

Yep, it's normal. When you disable overscan, it displays the picture as it was intended without any stretching. It looks amazing when watching HD, but you might get some noise (white lines at the top of the screen) on older, standard def programming.
post #2508 of 6832
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Originally Posted by uncleguito View Post

What's the deal with overscan settings? I noticed I had it enabled by default but when I disable it, there are a few pixels of gap on the sides of the picture, no longer exactly filling the entire frame. Is that normal?

This could be a combination of two things. One is Pixel Orbiter, which is an anti burn in technique, that really does nothing haha. Turn it off. It will shift the image around, even with overscan off in an effort to help with static images. But it only does it by a few pixels, so it just tends to smear it around a bit, not prevent anything.

The other is if you are talking about the boarder in between the image, and the bezel of the tv. This is normal, it will never fill this part of the screen. I assume they just leave it exposed now instead of covering it up, so they can make the bezel smaller.
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

This could be a combination of two things. One is Pixel Orbiter, which is an anti burn in technique, that really does nothing haha. Turn it off. It will shift the image around, even with overscan off in an effort to help with static images. But it only does it by a few pixels, so it just tends to smear it around a bit, not prevent anything.

The other is if you are talking about the boarder in between the image, and the bezel of the tv. This is normal, it will never fill this part of the screen. I assume they just leave it exposed now instead of covering it up, so they can make the bezel smaller.
Pixel orbiter is disabled, but when I alternate between overscan on and off, I see the image shift- only when it is off, there is a slight gap of pixels that aren't filled in (pixels that were previously filled in). I know there's a gap in between the bezel & image, but this is in additional to that (usually only on 2 sides at a time). It's not noticeable unless I look very closely though.
Edited by uncleguito - 7/2/13 at 7:46pm
post #2510 of 6832
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Originally Posted by uncleguito View Post

Pixel orbiter is disabled, but when I alternate between overscan on and off, I see the image shift- only when it is off, there is a slight gap of pixels that aren't filled in (pixels that were previously filled in). I know there's a gap in between the bezel & image, but this is in additional to that (usually only on 2 sides at a time). It's not noticeable unless I look very closely though.

Is this television? If so they often don't fill up the entire screen. They tend to assume overscan is on, and can use the side of the image to encode data.
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I'm exchanging a Sony KDL-60R55 LED, terrible motion blur and bad off angle viewing, IMO . Anywho, I am getting the 65S60 delivered on Saturday. I've read about 65 out of the 84 pages and seen very few mounting options. I plan on going through Monoprice. Does anyone have any input on what they used? Tilting or Low profile are fine. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by uncleguito View Post

What's the deal with overscan settings? I noticed I had it enabled by default but when I disable it, there are a few pixels of gap on the sides of the picture, no longer exactly filling the entire frame. Is that normal?

Depends on what you mean by "gap". The Panasonics normally have an eighth of an inch or so between bezel and picture area, and people often ask if this is normal. It is. You should be evaluating overscan with a pattern like "5-Sharpness & Overscan.mp4" that is part of the free AVS709HD collection.
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Yep, it's normal. When you disable overscan, it displays the picture as it was intended without any stretching. It looks amazing when watching HD, but you might get some noise (white lines at the top of the screen) on older, standard def programming.

HD programming is definitely not immune to junk in the borders with overscan disabled, and by "programming", I'm talking about broadcast TV and only broadcast TV (OTA, cable, etc). Indeed, I leave overscan enabled in Windows Media Center, which I use only for broadcast TV, because my local NBC affiliate shows noise in the upper left corner for all HD content. It's not the only one, but it is the most consistent about it, and it's been like that for years. Besides the noise that is sometimes present, disabling overscan more generally reveals borders that vary in size and number from program to program, from none at all to one or more. I do set the TV to "No Overscan" on all its inputs except for its TV tuner input. Enabling overscan in WMC instead of the TV means I don't have to change any TV settings when I switch to XBMC, which I use for all other video, for which I don't want overscan applied.
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Depends on what you mean by "gap". The Panasonics normally have an eighth of an inch or so between bezel and picture area, and people often ask if this is normal. It is. You should be evaluating overscan with a pattern like "5-Sharpness & Overscan.mp4" that is part of the free AVS709HD collection.

I think what he means is a small area of the actual screen the doesn't get filled. On my 42S60 it goes like this: Bezel, then a thin black strip about an eighth of an inch all around (most displays have this) then finally another small eight of an inch or so on the left and right on the actual screen that doesn't get filled. Mine is like this regardless if overscan is on or not.
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Originally Posted by silverwidow View Post

When you disable overscan, it displays the picture as it was intended without any stretching. It looks amazing when watching HD, but you might get some noise (white lines at the top of the screen) on older, standard def programming.

I have overscan disabled, but my display set to FULL, which stretches SD content. Occasionally, I notice a white scratchy line at the top of the screen with some content.
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Today I bought my first plasma... (Panasonic S64 from Costco). I've been playing around with it, watching some Blu-ray's. I was expecting the Blacks to be deeper.. I didn't expect them to fade into the bezel like a kuro but I was hoping for at least a major improvement from my LCD. Will the black level improve?

I'm currently running D-nice slides to see if there are any other problems with this set. There is a lot of dithering(dancing pixels, snowy effect) not just in dark areas but all over. I can not only see it up close but far away too. Will it go away? Is this normal? Do I have a bad set?

As far as buzzing, It's very faint and not very bothersome.
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I have a couple of questions regarding the glare/reflections of this panel.

This will be going in a room with blockout curtains, although not pitch black (a little light leaks through the edges) it's certainly not bright enough to read in without turning lights on. In this type of setting will I notice reflections still? And even if in a pitch black setting (at night) does the panel put out enough light to reflect on itself?

If it helps I currently have an eighth gen Pioneer (the second last Kuro) in the room and it's fine. Sorry if these are stupid questions I just want to get a better idea of how dark the room has to be to avoid reflections.

P.S. The S64 isn't available here (Australia) and the ST60 is not an option as this TV will be for gaming only.
post #2517 of 6832
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Originally Posted by doomnaut View Post

Today I bought my first plasma... (Panasonic S64 from Costco).

I'm currently running D-nice slides to see if there are any other problems with this set. There is a lot of dithering(dancing pixels, snowy effect) not just in dark areas but all over. I can not only see it up close but far away too. Will it go away? Is this normal? Do I have a bad set?

Have you switched to Cinema mode? I noticed dithering on my S64 until I switched to Cinema mode. When I changed my input source to antenna, I noticed dithering (and other artifacts) again and noticed that my settings had reverted to defaults - actually settings are specific to inputs, and once I copied all my settings over from HDMI 1 to antenna, the picture was much better and the dithering went away. Standard and Home Theater modes are so inferior to Cinema that I don't know why the set has them.
post #2518 of 6832
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Originally Posted by doomnaut View Post

Today I bought my first plasma... (Panasonic S64 from Costco). I've been playing around with it, watching some Blu-ray's. I was expecting the Blacks to be deeper.. I didn't expect them to fade into the bezel like a kuro but I was hoping for at least a major improvement from my LCD. Will the black level improve?

I'm currently running D-nice slides to see if there are any other problems with this set. There is a lot of dithering(dancing pixels, snowy effect) not just in dark areas but all over. I can not only see it up close but far away too. Will it go away? Is this normal? Do I have a bad set?

As far as buzzing, It's very faint and not very bothersome.

The blacks when the set is set properly (I dont mean calibrated, just set to a decent set of settings) are pretty darn dark. Yes you will be able to see it be slightly grey in a pitch black room but any amount of ambient light will make them look almost pitch black. The other case is if you have too much ambient light in the room, plasma's wash out, especially the s60/s64 as they have the bottom of the barrel black filter.
post #2519 of 6832
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Originally Posted by frenzy987 View Post

I have a couple of questions regarding the glare/reflections of this panel.

This will be going in a room with blockout curtains, although not pitch black (a little light leaks through the edges) it's certainly not bright enough to read in without turning lights on. In this type of setting will I notice reflections still? And even if in a pitch black setting (at night) does the panel put out enough light to reflect on itself?

If it helps I currently have an eighth gen Pioneer (the second last Kuro) in the room and it's fine. Sorry if these are stupid questions I just want to get a better idea of how dark the room has to be to avoid reflections.

P.S. The S64 isn't available here (Australia) and the ST60 is not an option as this TV will be for gaming only.

the set puts out enough light in dark scenes for you to sometimes be able to see yourself in the set. But once it hits even the most mildly lit scene you should see pretty much nothing. But at the end of the day it is a big, glossy slab of glass. It is a bit reflective :P
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Originally Posted by frenzy987 View Post

Sorry if these are stupid questions I just want to get a better idea of how dark the room has to be to avoid reflections.

frenzy, you're getting too frenzied about it.
The darkness is not the issue, apply some common sense about "reflections" and you'll be good, e.g., do you have a lamp on table directly behind you head when you are 90° to the tv?,
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