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post #2941 of 6834
Finally pulled the trigger on a 60" S60 tonight at BestBuy's Reward Zone shopping event. Now the waiting game starts as it won't be delivered until Saturday. Hoping this is the best replacement for my almost 4 year old Samsung 50" Plasma that died on me last month.
post #2942 of 6834
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Originally Posted by Craig-Paul View Post

65PS64 Quantity Update at Costco on-line: CURRENTLY SOLD OUT - Hopefully there will be more soon!

EDIT: Sam's Club is also OUT of STOCK on-line.

NOOOO! I am only about 2 weeks away from being able to pull the trigger on this set. I've planned to buy it for months now. If it doesn't come back in stock I might have to go with an st 60

EDIT: I'm a dope and forgot about the s60 from amazon lol, just ordered it, even though its $100 more, i needed some peace of mind before that disappeared too.
Edited by rdillon84 - 7/28/13 at 8:32pm
post #2943 of 6834
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

You have to turn on Viera Link in the settings, and make sure all the functions are enabled. That is what I did, and when using hdmi2 the ARC works fine. You also need an HDMI cable that supports it. I'm not sure what version includes this so I would look into what one you need and what yours is.
Ah, THANK YOU, xenon9887! I turned on Viera Link, turned on the ARC function in my receiver, but I didn't realize a standard HDMI cable wouldn't do it. Just ordered a cable with audio return from Amazon.

Love this forum. smile.gif
post #2944 of 6834
Any high speed HDMI cable is ARC capable. I doubt you can find a standard speed cable anymore. So unless its a pretty old cable or you have a bad cable that likely wont fix it.
post #2945 of 6834
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Originally Posted by rdillon84 View Post

NOOOO! I am only about 2 weeks away from being able to pull the trigger on this set. I've planned to buy it for months now. If it doesn't come back in stock I might have to go with an st 60

EDIT: I'm a dope and forgot about the s60 from amazon lol, just ordered it, even though its $100 more, i needed some peace of mind before that disappeared too.

It should go back in stock soon. I think it went out of stock a while back briefly, then they got more stock right away. It's also available at Sam's and their local stores, which have had plenty of stock for over 2 months now.
post #2946 of 6834
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Any high speed HDMI cable is ARC capable. I doubt you can find a standard speed cable anymore. So unless its a pretty old cable or you have a bad cable that likely wont fix it.

From Wikipedia: "HDMI 1.4 was released on May 28, 2009, and the first HDMI 1.4 products were available in the second half of 2009."
post #2947 of 6834
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Any high speed HDMI cable is ARC capable. I doubt you can find a standard speed cable anymore. So unless its a pretty old cable or you have a bad cable that likely wont fix it.
The cable probably dates back to 2006-2008... So, let's hope that's it.
post #2948 of 6834
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Originally Posted by Inputlag View Post

I'm seeing posterization less than 5% of the time for the briefest of moments. Mostly in commercials that fade in/out. I suggest it may be your source that was causing your problems and that the upgraded ST60 is processing this out for you.

I've had four Panny plasma TVs and used the same sources for all of them, the S60 is by far the worst for posterization of any of them. My 5 and 6 year old Pannys aren't near as bad. When you know what to look for it's in the S60 way too much for me even if I try not to look for it.
post #2949 of 6834
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

I've had four Panny plasma TVs and used the same sources for all of them, the S60 is by far the worst for posterization of any of them. My 5 and 6 year old Pannys aren't near as bad. When you know what to look for it's in the S60 way too much for me even if I try not to look for it.

This is the only weakness I've noticed in this TV, but after switching to Cinema mode, I only noticed it in a night shot with nighttime lighting (Miss USA pageant). I guess it would probably show up in soap operas as well since that is similar lighting. I'm surprised to see it in a mid-level set (I don't consider a $1500 plasma to be bottom of the line when the competing 60" LG goes for only $800, considerably cheaper), but it is $500 cheaper than my last HDTV 10 years ago, a 34" Sony XBR CRT.
post #2950 of 6834
I don't understand why somebody that's not into gaming wouldn't save up the extra $400 and go for the ST60( that or the ultra bright but a little too expensive 8500) if they just plan on using it for Movies and TV? Better panel(less posterization? Higher level of gradiation), deeper blacks/better contrast, 2500hz motion, 3D, anti glare filter ect. I personally won't settle for it ONLY because of the 70ms + of input lag. Us gamers get royally screwed on our HDTV selections every single year. Hopefully next year Panny will find a way to get it down to 16-32ms for the ST70, it's a little frustrating that i have to opt for a cheaper step down model, but eh I'm sure the S60 will be a fantastic set nonetheless!

think about it, dropping an extra $399 for all of those improvements is definitly worth it if you plan on keeping your set for a few years or more.
Edited by WaveBoy - 7/29/13 at 12:33pm
post #2951 of 6834
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

I don't understand why somebody that's not into gaming wouldn't save up the extra $400 and go for the ST60( that or the ultra bright but a little too expensive 8500) if they just plan on using it for Movies and TV? Better panel(less posterization? Higher level of gradiation), deeper blacks/better contrast, 2500hz motion, 3D, anti glare filter ect. I personally won't settle for it ONLY because of the 70ms + of input lag. Us gamers get royally screwed on our HDTV selections every single year. Hopefully next year Panny will find a way to get it down to 16-32ms for the ST70, it's a little frustrating that i have to opt for a cheaper step down model, but eh I'm sure the S60 will be a fantastic set nonetheless!

think about it, dropping an extra $399 for all of those improvements is definitly worth it if you plan on keeping your set for a few years or more.

Because for the average person the s60 already looks damn good. Most people couldn't give two f's about 3d, will never see posterization (i still don't know what it is), wont notice banding, won't see any issues with motion or jitter etc.....

The black levels are already great, and the contrast in relation to lcds is also damn good.

To me, it wouldn't be worth the extra cash, with that extra cash I bought a home theater system and a entertainment unit to go with the set. The home theatre in a box is far from top shelf but i still love it after listening to tv speakers my whole tv watching life.

And hey, for the 1% that will notice the difference, the ST60's and up exist.
post #2952 of 6834
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

I don't understand why somebody that's not into gaming wouldn't save up the extra $400 and go for the ST60( that or the ultra bright but a little too expensive 8500) if they just plan on using it for Movies and TV? Better panel(less posterization? Higher level of gradiation), deeper blacks/better contrast, 2500hz motion, 3D, anti glare filter ect. I personally won't settle for it ONLY because of the 70ms + of input lag. Us gamers get royally screwed on our HDTV selections every single year. Hopefully next year Panny will find a way to get it down to 16-32ms for the ST70, it's a little frustrating that i have to opt for a cheaper step down model, but eh I'm sure the S60 will be a fantastic set nonetheless!

think about it, dropping an extra $399 for all of those improvements is definitly worth it if you plan on keeping your set for a few years or more.

I thought the ST60 is a whopping $1000 more. At $1500, the 65S64 was already $500 over my $1000 budget for a 60"+ plasma, when I started off looking at the $800 60" LG. $2500 would be way more! I don't care about 3D and the S64 has an AR filter. The blacks and contrast are good enough for me and same with the motion. The only benefit would be the higher level of gradiation which might get rid of the posterization. Also the input lag might affect my planned HTPC for web browsing.

Spending over $1000 is the single largest purchase for me other than my previous CRT HDTV and my car. I consider TVs over $1000 in 2013 to be high end. Even my skis don't cost over $1000. The average person just doesn't have $1000 in cash lying around to spend.
post #2953 of 6834
July 29, 2013 Costco Inventory Update: Panasonic TC-65PS64 Now has 168 units on-line.

EDIT: July 30: Costco Now has 132 left on line. Now 121
Edited by Craig-Paul - 7/30/13 at 1:26pm
post #2954 of 6834
I saw this in my local Costco today and did a double take. I have seen the 50" in the past but the 65" is very impressive. I was looking at the VT/ZT series for a replacement to my now sold Kuro (red tint issue) but was floored by how good the S64 looked. The black levels were not quite as dark as my kuro but mine was already grey (needed a recalibration) with the red tint mixed in so they were not inky anymore. I was tempted enough to think about it tonight. It would be a lot cheaper and I'm not quite as picky as I used to be (kids will do that to you smile.gif). My friend picked one up though and it looks really impressive in his house. Black levels looked great and content in general (blu ray and games) looked awesome. Don't know how the IR will fare in the long run but so far so good. Basically I'm looking for something that will tide me over for 3 years or so. Hopefully then OLED will be somewhat affordable or at least a 70" 4K model. Kudos to Panasonic as that is the best entry level plasma I have ever seen. The AR filter really helps.
post #2955 of 6834
Yo. Been outta' town for a few weeks. Hope to catch up with the thread soon.

Micke
post #2956 of 6834
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

I don't understand why somebody that's not into gaming wouldn't save up the extra $400 and go for the ST60( that or the ultra bright but a little too expensive 8500) if they just plan on using it for Movies and TV? Better panel(less posterization? Higher level of gradiation), deeper blacks/better contrast, 2500hz motion, 3D, anti glare filter ect. I personally won't settle for it ONLY because of the 70ms + of input lag. Us gamers get royally screwed on our HDTV selections every single year. Hopefully next year Panny will find a way to get it down to 16-32ms for the ST70, it's a little frustrating that i have to opt for a cheaper step down model, but eh I'm sure the S60 will be a fantastic set nonetheless!

think about it, dropping an extra $399 for all of those improvements is definitly worth it if you plan on keeping your set for a few years or more.

It is definitely a superior TV that's worth the extra money even if you never use the 3D.
post #2957 of 6834
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

It is definitely a superior TV that's worth the extra money even if you never use the 3D.

Just my two cents, but the only major difference I find worth considering is the improved gray-scale. That being said, I would have to see for myself how much impact it would have on actual PQ. Now I'm not saying that all these improvements don't effect color gamut, shadow detail, and over all PQ, but a picture is still worth a thousand words, and when considering the actual increase of these improvements and how they impact pricing, until I can actually see a significant difference, I can't share the same point of view.


Ian
post #2958 of 6834
Sad to say that my 8 year old Samsung 42" EDTV plasma still won't die, but with the current Costco deal I'm now looking to upgrade regardless.

Does anybody have the dimensions of the box on the 65"? Wondering if I could somehow manage to fit it into the Prius...
post #2959 of 6834
ST60 is an awesome tv but not worth the price premium in my book...
post #2960 of 6834
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Originally Posted by anthongy817 View Post

Sad to say that my 8 year old Samsung 42" EDTV plasma still won't die, but with the current Costco deal I'm now looking to upgrade regardless.

Does anybody have the dimensions of the box on the 65"? Wondering if I could somehow manage to fit it into the Prius...
Don't have the dimensions, but after seeing it delivered this weekend, I don't think it's going to fit in a Prius. Heck, the 65" DLP I sold barely fit a Honda CRV and that was with no box.
post #2961 of 6834
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Originally Posted by anthongy817 View Post

Sad to say that my 8 year old Samsung 42" EDTV plasma still won't die, but with the current Costco deal I'm now looking to upgrade regardless.

Does anybody have the dimensions of the box on the 65"? Wondering if I could somehow manage to fit it into the Prius...

Dimensions are in the manual from the link on page 1. The box won't fit inside any SUV, not even a full-size one like a Tahoe. You need a pickup to transport it. Maybe it will fit inside a full-size cargo van.
post #2962 of 6834
My Red Push Conundrum.......

I’ve tried many of the S60/64 settings posted on this forum and I see much Red push.
This shows up not only in facial tones but also in color distortions in outdoor scenes that have grass, snow, water and what should be blue ski.

I have my S64 sitting side by side to my 27” Phillips Magnavox CRT TV…that is my standard for comparison.
I watch the same videos and programming through both simultaneously and my old CRT seems to overall produce more lifelike colors to my eyes.

Since vision/color perception is a subjective individual characteristic, then I wonder if the only way a person can judge what is image ‘accuracy’ is to be able to simultaneously view live both person, places, scenes vs their broadcasted image on the TV?

In any event I'd love to keep the S64 if I could only modulate this Red push, yet maintain good realistic color overall.
Any tips on which settings to vary would be appreciated.
post #2963 of 6834
fibonacci3 does your set have white balance controls? raise blue/green and lower red in a 1:2 ratio

for example

high r -2
high g +1
high b +1

or

low r -4
low g +2
low b +2

what I'm saying is don't just lower red
post #2964 of 6834
Duskstench; Yes the 50S64 has WB settings. Are you suggesting I vary either Hi or Low settings in your suggested ratio or both Hi and Low?
post #2965 of 6834
I'm not sure if this question has been asked already (I did a search but came up empty), but does anyone know how the glossy finish of the S60 compares to Vizios glossy M-Series screens? I just purchased the Vizio, but 3 days in I've already issues and I'm going to need to take the set back. I'm not keen a about replacing it with the same thing. The Vizio's screen is quite glossy, I can see the reflection some of my furniture (depending on the angle) in dark scenes, but I don't know how that compares to the S60 and it's difficult to judge in places like Best Buy. Whatever replacement for the Vizio I buy will go in my living room with 3 windows (although the windows all have mini-blinds and so I have some control over the lighting, but there is still natural light in the room), so am I nuts to even consider the S60? Is the screen too glossy for that?
post #2966 of 6834
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Originally Posted by anthongy817 View Post


Does anybody have the dimensions of the box on the 65"? Wondering if I could somehow manage to fit it into the Prius...

That box is as big as your Prius.
post #2967 of 6834
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Originally Posted by anthongy817 View Post

Does anybody have the dimensions of the box on the 65"? Wondering if I could somehow manage to fit it into the Prius...
Have you checked the specs on the Panny website? The info is there! But you'll have to measure your own Prius.
post #2968 of 6834
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

That box is as big as your Prius.
You'd be surprised how much a Prius can hold (I know, I have 2). smile.gif
post #2969 of 6834
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Originally Posted by fibonacci3 View Post

Duskstench; Yes the 50S64 has WB settings. Are you suggesting I vary either Hi or Low settings in your suggested ratio or both Hi and Low?
Sorry I was in a hurry, I had a feeling that would cause confusion

You set both high and low individually but try to keep things balanced or 'centered' by raising blue or green or blue and green as an intermediate step after you lower red two times

On my panel green had to be dialed down

High R +2
High G -5
High B +3
Low R +0
Low G -2
Low B +1

Once you get any glaring inaccuracy out the way you can switch between cool,normal,warm depending on content
Edited by Duskstench - 7/30/13 at 6:41pm
post #2970 of 6834
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

You'd be surprised how much a Prius can hold (I know, I have 2). smile.gif
A buddy of mine has a Ford Focus hatchback and the back seats fold down. We have fit all kinds of stuff in there that most people wouldnt think possible.
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