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post #3121 of 6832
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Most manufacturers, including Panasonic, publish both sets of measurements on their product pages. They also publish measurements with and without stands.

Yes, these measurements can be found in the manuals linked on page 1 of this thread.

Normally you don't have to download the manuals. Normally the dimensions are given on the product web pages.
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Saw a Panaonic 42S60 posted on eBay today for $669 + shipping (you can get a new 50S60 for less than that). Sold pretty quickly. Market forces at work I guess. biggrin.gif

Good news for anyone who bought the 42" but wanted the 50" -- sell it and get a free upgrade. smile.gif
post #3123 of 6832
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Normally you don't have to download the manuals. Normally the dimensions are given on the product web pages.

The dimensions are on both (LG's product sheets as well). There's just no link to the product sheet here (I guess they can be found on the manufacturer's web site).
post #3124 of 6832
Has anyone been able to perform an input lag test for something like a 480p gaming console? Either scientific or not? Panasonic plasmas haven't traditionally had any problem with the scaling have they? I still have some games in my backlog that I'm dying to play once I get a bigger TV.
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Thanks for the inventory updated Craig-Paul.

I was lucky enough to get my order in when they added the last 10 units.
post #3126 of 6832
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Thanks for the inventory updated Craig-Paul.

I was lucky enough to get my order in when they added the last 10 units.

You're welcome! I think this may be the beginning of the end of the 65" from Costco. Just my hunch though. Congrats on getting your own set. I followed the advice here to "season" the TV before you try to calibrate it. Here's what I did (FYI):


I used D-Nice's Slides at Post #1: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread

Run the slides on the PS64 as follows:

1. Down load the slides.
2. Transfer them to a USB memory stick.
3. Put the stick in the TV’s USB port.
4. Press the MEDIA PLAYER on the remote next to the on/off red button.
5. Highlight PHOTOS and press OK on the remote.
6. Press the RED button R on the remote. That coincides with the red button on the screen that says SLIDESHOW.
7. A menu appears. Set the Slideshow settings to:
  • Frame: Off
  • Photo effect: Off
  • Transition effect: Off
  • Auto makeup: Off
  • Photo size: Normal
  • Burst playback: Off
  • Display interval: Long
  • Repeat Playback: On

8. Highlight in the Slideshow settings: START SLIDESHOW and press OK.
9. You can just leave it on 24hours/day for 100 continuous hours. Then you're ready to calibrate.

Fairchild’s calibration setting is post # 1320 at:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread

Set up using the first one: Cinema

ENJOY THE PS64
post #3127 of 6832
Well thank you everyone for your generous feedback and brief reviews I greatly appreciate it. I think my decision is made and the 65" s64 will be at my house soon. Unfortunately I can't put it in my room only about a 50" will fit in there but this is my parents house so downstairs will be good so we can all enjoy it. If anything ill grab the S60 from BB since they have a 24 months no interest thing going. Hopefully that applies to wherever I buy from. Hoping to use my card at Costco cuz for 1299$ for a 65 inch awesome PQ and performance television is like a steal
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Ive been looking everywhere for the 65" S60 and its sold out at all my local vendors. When I ask how long until more stock comes in, everyone is clueless. One person even said they arent getting any more. Are these on limited production? I know I can get it online but I dont feel comfortable having a 65" tv shipped and id also like the best buy warranty.
post #3129 of 6832
S64 out of stock again??!!! NOOOOOOO
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Well, I have been following this thread for a while and I'm still undecided on whether to pull the trigger on the S64. The local Sam's Club has only the 65" version, reasonably priced now at $1288. We have a 46" Samsung LED from two years ago, so the 65" will be a significant jump in size, more than I had intended to go, actually. My wife has said before that she wouldn't want a bigger TV, but I am still considering buying this TV. I feel the larger TV will truly give us that enveloped home theater experience over the 46" we have, or a 50S54, if Sam's ever gets them.

My first TV was a Panasonic plasma, and it left me wanting. Granted, this was several years ago, and it was an entry-level model, too. The glare was awful, and it didn't have any punch at all. When I got the Samsung LED I was very happy. Overall it is a great TV. My biggest issue is the flashlighting and screen uniformity, which has me looking at plasma again.

So the other night I was able to compare the S60 and S64. The AR filter does wonders. The S60 is mirror-like with reflections, just like my old Panny. The S64 makes those reflections much more difficult to discern. I was truly amazed at the difference, and that's no hyperbole. HH Gregg had the S60 and the ST60 next to each other in the store, so it was easy to compare. In Sam's they had the S64 next to a U series in a smaller size (40-something inch) and the difference was clear there too. The other thing I noticed between the S64 with the AR filter and the U series without it is how the overhead lights killed the PQ; blacks were gray, just like on my old Panny.

Sam's has a 90-day return policy, so I am seriously thinking about treating myself and trying it out. I figure I can still sell my Samsung if I decide to stick with the S64, and it not, return it for a full refund. They have financing available, so that will help. I would prefer the smaller set, but the 60ST60 at Best Buy is over $1400, and I didn't see a smaller model in stock, so the 65" at Sam's would be a killer deal. The two HDMI ports is a bit of a letdown, but I can manage. I use 3 of my 4 now (U-verse, Roku, PS3). I only use the Roku for some CNET and YouTube videos, which I could probably easily get via the YouTube smart TV apps on the S64. Then the only issue is convincing my wife to let me put the monster in our living room (I'll pay for the TV, so that's not an issue). What are your opinions on the size/bulk of the TV? And did anyone using the stand attach it themselves? How is the easiest way to secure it to the stand? Do you lay the TV down on a table or other flat surface and attach it, or can you rest it on the stand and then secure it with screws?

Oh, concerning size, I found differing numbers. The manual I downloaded online says the 65S64 is:

56.4 ” × 31.7 ” × 64.7 ” WxHxDiagonal

But in Sam's the box says:

59.1x36.9 WxH (w/ stand and 34.8 w/o)

This was clearly shown by an image on the box. Which is correct?
post #3131 of 6832
The delivery person that installed my stand laid it down on the box on the front of the panel. Not sure if this is "bad" but it's working fine. I would have preferred that he left the panel sitting upright in the box, set the stand up, then set the TV on the stand -- but I try to stay out of people's way when they're doing their job even if I completely disagree. Sigh. Yes, you can, at least on the ST50, assemble the stand then set the TV on it.
post #3132 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Jorsher View Post

The delivery person that installed my stand laid it down on the box on the front of the panel. Not sure if this is "bad" but it's working fine. I would have preferred that he left the panel sitting upright in the box, set the stand up, then set the TV on the stand -- but I try to stay out of people's way when they're doing their job even if I completely disagree. Sigh. Yes, you can, at least on the ST50, assemble the stand then set the TV on it.

They must teach that in delivery school. Besides potentially scraping your precious against rough cardboard, the problem is that it doesn't use gravity to help with the assembly, and the TV can end up crooked. Then you have to loosen the screws and reseat it to make it level.
post #3133 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Jorsher View Post

The delivery person that installed my stand laid it down on the box on the front of the panel. Not sure if this is "bad" but it's working fine. I would have preferred that he left the panel sitting upright in the box, set the stand up, then set the TV on the stand -- but I try to stay out of people's way when they're doing their job even if I completely disagree. Sigh. Yes, you can, at least on the ST50, assemble the stand then set the TV on it.

Delivery people that I've dealt with just don't give a crap about your stuff. They just want to get it done as fast as possible.
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I had while glove service for both TV's, I forbid the delivery guys to touch the inside of the bigger box the TV's were in and let them out of the door asap. TV's were always upright, set upright on the couch right out of the box. Mounted the frame brackets then hung on the wall. Simple.
post #3135 of 6832
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Originally Posted by ToonMasterTim View Post

Well, I have been following this thread for a while and I'm still undecided on whether to pull the trigger on the S64. The local Sam's Club has only the 65" version, reasonably priced now at $1288. We have a 46" Samsung LED from two years ago, so the 65" will be a significant jump in size, more than I had intended to go, actually. My wife has said before that she wouldn't want a bigger TV, but I am still considering buying this TV. I feel the larger TV will truly give us that enveloped home theater experience over the 46" we have, or a 50S54, if Sam's ever gets them.

My first TV was a Panasonic plasma, and it left me wanting. Granted, this was several years ago, and it was an entry-level model, too. The glare was awful, and it didn't have any punch at all. When I got the Samsung LED I was very happy. Overall it is a great TV. My biggest issue is the flashlighting and screen uniformity, which has me looking at plasma again.

So the other night I was able to compare the S60 and S64. The AR filter does wonders. The S60 is mirror-like with reflections, just like my old Panny. The S64 makes those reflections much more difficult to discern. I was truly amazed at the difference, and that's no hyperbole. HH Gregg had the S60 and the ST60 next to each other in the store, so it was easy to compare. In Sam's they had the S64 next to a U series in a smaller size (40-something inch) and the difference was clear there too. The other thing I noticed between the S64 with the AR filter and the U series without it is how the overhead lights killed the PQ; blacks were gray, just like on my old Panny.

Sam's has a 90-day return policy, so I am seriously thinking about treating myself and trying it out. I figure I can still sell my Samsung if I decide to stick with the S64, and it not, return it for a full refund. They have financing available, so that will help. I would prefer the smaller set, but the 60ST60 at Best Buy is over $1400, and I didn't see a smaller model in stock, so the 65" at Sam's would be a killer deal. The two HDMI ports is a bit of a letdown, but I can manage. I use 3 of my 4 now (U-verse, Roku, PS3). I only use the Roku for some CNET and YouTube videos, which I could probably easily get via the YouTube smart TV apps on the S64. Then the only issue is convincing my wife to let me put the monster in our living room (I'll pay for the TV, so that's not an issue). What are your opinions on the size/bulk of the TV? And did anyone using the stand attach it themselves? How is the easiest way to secure it to the stand? Do you lay the TV down on a table or other flat surface and attach it, or can you rest it on the stand and then secure it with screws?

Oh, concerning size, I found differing numbers. The manual I downloaded online says the 65S64 is:

56.4 ” × 31.7 ” × 64.7 ” WxHxDiagonal

But in Sam's the box says:

59.1x36.9 WxH (w/ stand and 34.8 w/o)

This was clearly shown by an image on the box. Which is correct?

The larger dimensions are in the manual as well. The smaller dimensions are simply the screen itself, not including the bezel.

It is simple to attach the TV to the stand if you have another set of hands (wives are good for that ;-). You just assemble the stand, lift the TV (with the wife or substitute) and place on the stand and screw in the screws. Even if you put it horizontal and attach the stand, you will need another set of hands because it is too bulky to lift by yourself.

Did you notice if the AR filter helps with light offset to the side (like windows)? I was never able to compare a plasma with AR filter to one without side by side. Overhead lighting is probably not an issue in my room as the only one is the dining room chandelier 10 feet away. Sunlight at a low angle coming through the west window blinds is my concern as the windows are about the same height as the TV.

Tell the wife "bigger is better" and you wouldn't want her left wanting. Also more of a home theater experience means you two will spend more quality time together on the couch watching movies. I went from a "little" 34" CRT to the 65" and I could easily see myself upgrading to a 100" 4k plasma in 10 years. Girlfriends and dates need no convincing that "bigger is better" - maybe I'd have better luck with dates by inviting them over to check out my new 65"...
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In HH Gregg the TV's are opposite the entry, which is a lot of glass, akin to a Best Buy. I stood off-angle to compare the reflections from the windows on the S60 and the ST60 and the ST60's AR filter allowed the content to not be overpowered by the reflections, IMO. It is difficult to measure. I plan to go back soon to compare again, but I would say that in my initial assessment the ST60, and therefore the S64, are good at minimizing the impact on viewing under normal lighting conditions, which is important to me because I have patio doors and two large windows opposite the TV at home, all of which are on the east side of the house, and we get a lot of light from the sun reflecting onto the white siding of the house behind us in the evening.
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Originally Posted by foghorn2 View Post

I had while glove service for both TV's, I forbid the delivery guys to touch the inside of the bigger box the TV's were in and let them out of the door asap. TV's were always upright, set upright on the couch right out of the box. Mounted the frame brackets then hung on the wall. Simple.

Why even pay the extra money for White Glove service unless you need delivery to a 2nd or higher floor in your house? The White Glove premium is mainly for the setup and install service.
post #3138 of 6832
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Originally Posted by tshoot1 View Post

Have had my 55S60 for about 6 weeks now. Have not experienced the buzzing or popping problems reported here, it's been great.

However, last night, a vertical line appeared on the screen and it won't go away. Looks like a very thin pencil line, top to bottom, about 9 inches from right edge. Most noticeable with solid background. The line's color varies with what's behind it (green with light background, redish with blue background). Get it with internal tuner and all external inputs.

Has anyone seen this issue before?? Is it fixable or do I need a replacement?

Service tech is coming next week. I am not a happy camper!!

Well, two serv techs came by today (showed up on time!). Looked at the TV, took some pics of the screen while TV was in service mode, and said the panel is bad. Said it will take Panasonic 3-5 days to send a new one, and then they will make an appointment to come back and change it out.

I was guessing that if the problem was the panel, and not a circuit board, that it would be more cost effective to just replace the TV. Seems I guessed wrong!
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Originally Posted by ToonMasterTim View Post

In HH Gregg the TV's are opposite the entry, which is a lot of glass, akin to a Best Buy. I stood off-angle to compare the reflections from the windows on the S60 and the ST60 and the ST60's AR filter allowed the content to not be overpowered by the reflections, IMO. It is difficult to measure. I plan to go back soon to compare again, but I would say that in my initial assessment the ST60, and therefore the S64, are good at minimizing the impact on viewing under normal lighting conditions, which is important to me because I have patio doors and two large windows opposite the TV at home, all of which are on the east side of the house, and we get a lot of light from the sun reflecting onto the white siding of the house behind us in the evening.

The sun glare that gets through my window mini blinds doesn't wash out my 65S64 completely like it did on the 34" CRT it replaced. I didn't know if this was due to the AR filter, or brighter plasma v. CRT display, or the fact that the reflection only covers about 1/4 of the 65" display instead of the entire 34" display. It's good to hear the AR filter helps in this situation. Soon after getting the S64, I cleaned years of dust off the glass cover above my dining room chandelier and raised it all the way up to my vaulted ceiling and it now allows light rays to project through the glass panes and even onto the TV, but doesn't affect my picture.

I'm also considering installing room darkening curtains on all my windows to block light as well as keep the house cooler and allow me better sleep in the bedroom. My recent power company newsletter suggested lighter color curtains since they won't soak up heat, but I don't think they will block light as well. Does anyone with window curtains suggest dark or light color curtains to block light as well as heat?
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HDTimeShifter, I would suggest looking at some room-darkening or light-filtering cellular shades/blinds. That's what we have and they are much better than horizontal blinds. They come in varying colors, and weights (to control light) and they do a great job of keeping your home insulated. We've had some for about four years and my wife agrees they were money well-spent and she'd like to get more. You can get them at many hardware stores, including big-box stores like Lowe's. They'll cut them for you too. Definitely check them out. They're not that expensive and they'll compliment your decor and your curtains, but do a much better job of controlling light than just pulling the curtains.
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Originally Posted by ToonMasterTim View Post

HDTimeShifter, I would suggest looking at some room-darkening or light-filtering cellular shades/blinds. That's what we have and they are much better than horizontal blinds. They come in varying colors, and weights (to control light) and they do a great job of keeping your home insulated. We've had some for about four years and my wife agrees they were money well-spent and she'd like to get more. You can get them at many hardware stores, including big-box stores like Lowe's. They'll cut them for you too. Definitely check them out. They're not that expensive and they'll compliment your decor and your curtains, but do a much better job of controlling light than just pulling the curtains.

Do you have light escaping through the 4 edges of the windows with cellular shades? I think dark curtains won't trap too much heat as my white aluminum blinds probably already block the majority of sunlight and heat. They might make my all white walled rooms appear less spacious, however. I don't mind turning my living/dining room into a dark theater cave when the curtains are drawn.
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Do you have light escaping through the 4 edges of the windows with cellular shades?

Not that I've noticed. We still have curtains, so any light leak can be somewhat blocked by them. Our shades aren't that thick, they are of the light-filtering variety and they're off-white. I wanted to go with something darker.
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Checked out the S60 at Sears (just to check out the screen under lights) and there are alot of lights in here so I think the "mirror" statements are a little exaggerated BUT it is definitely more reflective than the ST60. So bringing a s60 home is going to be better than the high powered lights in Sears. So my ultimate question is as much as I want the ST60 what is the overall impressions of lag? I know the s60 is good for lag and the st60 is "allegedly" pretty bad. So what's the conclusion any hardcore gamers in here or even moderate gamers that notice the lag and does it affect gaming that much it takes the entire experience away?!
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Originally Posted by tshoot1 View Post

Well, two serv techs came by today (showed up on time!). Looked at the TV, took some pics of the screen while TV was in service mode, and said the panel is bad. Said it will take Panasonic 3-5 days to send a new one, and then they will make an appointment to come back and change it out.

I was guessing that if the problem was the panel, and not a circuit board, that it would be more cost effective to just replace the TV. Seems I guessed wrong!

It is for that reason I will never hesitate to buy anything from panasonic. They have the most amazing customer service ive ever dealt with. When my TC-P50U50 was making a horrible buzzing noise (louder then the normal plasma buzz) they had a guy come out the next day to fix it! The guy that came to fix it was on time precisely and even took care to put covers over his shoes. He even knew exactly what the problem was because he was a panasonic service tech, not just some random electronics tech that was outsourced. It was fixed within 15 minuets and then he left. Now that is customer service! cool.gif
post #3145 of 6832
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Checked out the S60 at Sears (just to check out the screen under lights) and there are alot of lights in here so I think the "mirror" statements are a little exaggerated BUT it is definitely more reflective than the ST60. So bringing a s60 home is going to be better than the high powered lights in Sears. So my ultimate question is as much as I want the ST60 what is the overall impressions of lag? I know the s60 is good for lag and the st60 is "allegedly" pretty bad. So what's the conclusion any hardcore gamers in here or even moderate gamers that notice the lag and does it affect gaming that much it takes the entire experience away?!
Your question has been beaten to death, but here goes:
S60-negligible lag, great for console FPS or twitch-gameplay PC games
ST60-noticeable lag for fast-paced games, not a deal-breaker for casual play
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So, now Costco doesn't even have either the 50 or 65 inch version of the S64 listed on their website. Darn. Wish I had jumped on the few that were in stock yesterday. I guess that only leaves Sam's club now! Glad you can still buy the extra three-year warranty from Costco regardless. It'll make it 4, rather than 5, years though.
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Why even pay the extra money for White Glove service unless you need delivery to a 2nd or higher floor in your house? The White Glove premium is mainly for the setup and install service.

Who ever said I paid extra for white glove delivery?

"Enhanced Delivery
For this TV, we offer enhanced delivery through one of our specialty shippers. A representative of a common carrier will deliver your TV to any room suitable for testing, unpack it, ensure that it is working properly to guarantee no damage occurred during transportation, and dispose of all packaging material."
post #3148 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

So, now Costco doesn't even have either the 50 or 65 inch version of the S64 listed on their website. Darn. Wish I had jumped on the few that were in stock yesterday. I guess that only leaves Sam's club now! Glad you can still buy the extra three-year warranty from Costco regardless. It'll make it 4, rather than 5, years though.

Discover card (which Sam's in-store only accepts) offers an extra year warranty, so you can end up with 5 years that way. I chose Sam's over Costco because Discover was offering $100 cash back on $1500 of purchases when I bought mine, so I saved at least $100 over Costco. I simply applied the $100 to my bill so it was that much less to pay.
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What's up all? Just got my p65s60 in today. Currently doing d-nice's break in slides as we speak. I currently own a Pioneer 6010fd and Pioneer 151fd both professionally calibrated by UMR. Cant wait to break this in and see how it looks.
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I went back to Sam's last night and the S64 is next to a Samsung F4000 series, not a Panasonic U series, so sorry for that mistake. But HHGreg does have the S60 next to the ST60 and so my comments there are accurate. So looking at the S64 in Sam's last night compared to the Samsung, a few things were clear. 1) The Samsung did not fare well under the lights, as has been noted about at least some of the Samsung plasma reviews; blacks looked gray and washed out. 2) The Samsung is brighter, even with the S64's brightness at 100 in Vivid mode. 3) The S64 handles reflections better than the Samsung. 4) The S64 will still show some reflections, just like practically every other TV out there, but I don't know that it is any worse than current LED/LCD's. However, the LCD's can get considerably brighter.

Honestly, now I am undecided on the S64. My concern is that it simply may not be bright enough. As I mentioned before, I had a Panasonic plasma years ago and it was almost impossible to enjoy TV during the daytime without closing the curtains. I'll probably just have to buy one of these monsters from Sam's and bring it home to try it, honestly. They have a 90 day return policy, so that would provide a good evaluation period. The other thing that concerns me is line bleeding. I've just recently become aware of the issue and I would find it incredibly distracting. Perhaps it doesn't occur all the time, but I think I would constantly be looking for it, and on a 65" set, it might be difficult to miss. For anyone who has bought the S64 or the ST60, what are your thoughts on bright room viewing and line bleeding?
Edited by ToonMasterTim - 8/9/13 at 7:57am
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