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post #3301 of 6832
Hey all, first post, been lurking for a couple weeks. I got my 50s64 mounted yesterday and got to test it out. I dont have any AV components hooked up yet so just used the sets Netflix app to see how things look. I then ran the slides provided by D-Nice just to make sure all the pixels fire up on the different backgrounds, and well they don't frown.gif. On the RGB slides, the blue slide will produce a solid black line about half an inch from the left that stretches down to about 80% of the set, on the red slide the same line appears white/reddish at first and you can see it slowly light up red and fill up the line. Green slide works fine and I have not noticed anything on the grey to white slides.

Did anyone else encounter something similar to this? I'm not too TV tech savvy and don't know if this is a dead pixel, stuck pixel thing or what so my search parameters for this thread have been lacking. Any suggestions I can do to fix this? I drive a small coupe and would prefer not to have to borrow my friends truck to haul it back to Costco. Any help is appreciated! Thanks!

P.S. I can post pics of what I'm talking about later today when i get home if my description of my issue stinks lol
post #3302 of 6832
So for the past few months I've been waiting for my Costco to get the S64 in stock. Every time I've visited it's been a matter of "oh, it should be here soon, keep waiting." Now both models have disappeared from online. Does anyone know if they'll be getting more, or is the S64 discontinued now/am I screwed?

Unfortunately the S60 isn't an option due to the huge windows I have - the glare on my UT50 was bad enough to contribute to it being returned.

Sigh.
post #3303 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

So for the past few months I've been waiting for my Costco to get the S64 in stock. Every time I've visited it's been a matter of "oh, it should be here soon, keep waiting." Now both models have disappeared from online. Does anyone know if they'll be getting more, or is the S64 discontinued now/am I screwed?

Unfortunately the S60 isn't an option due to the huge windows I have - the glare on my UT50 was bad enough to contribute to it being returned.

Sigh.

From what I have seen, if a screen with no AR filter was a deal killer then you still won't be happy with the s64. I took a look at an s60 and a s64 in-store right next to each other then the difference was not substantial.

It certainly helped, but reflections were still very prevalent. A matte screen LCD might be a better choice.
post #3304 of 6832
Another question, this should be easy. I have an Onkyo receiver which all my devices are plugged into (Xbox, Cable, AppleTV, etc) and I run HDMI out of the Onkyo to the TV HDMI 1. it works great with my S60. My issue is when I use the built in S60 apps like Youtube I get no audio. HDMI is two way audio right? Or do I need another audio type coming out of the TV into the Onkyo box?
post #3305 of 6832
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

From what I have seen, if a screen with no AR filter was a deal killer then you still won't be happy with the s64. I took a look at an s60 and a s64 in-store right next to each other then the difference was not substantial.

It certainly helped, but reflections were still very prevalent. A matte screen LCD might be a better choice.

If glare had been the only issue, I would've kept the TV. It was annoying, but not a deal-breaker. The combination of the loud buzzing on two sets, the awful line bleed, questionable feeling input lag, and the glare together, however, was too much for me. From what I've gathered, the S64 has enough of a reduction in glare to keep me happy and it's certainly the lesser of two evils compared to the higher price, weaker black levels, input lag, and overall picture quality of LCD.

The S64 seemed to be the perfect TV for me, but it looks like I may have missed my shot. Dammit, Costco.
post #3306 of 6832
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Btw if you have time to type in a forum then you obviously aren't doing anything else that's important except maybe playing with your PQ settings. So therefore I don't see why you can't just say "read precious posts" or just answer it and move on...what happen to this world everyone's selfish.

This isn't Facebook,stop spamming with multiple posts, use the search function, and actually READ before you post a question

It's great that you have questions, but your forum etiquette is atrocious, constantly asking the same thing and making multiple posts makes it harder to sift through the information in this thread for people who are looking for answers. Anyways lets just both drop it so we don't add to the clutter
post #3307 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Deadly Cyclone View Post

Another question, this should be easy. I have an Onkyo receiver which all my devices are plugged into (Xbox, Cable, AppleTV, etc) and I run HDMI out of the Onkyo to the TV HDMI 1. it works great with my S60. My issue is when I use the built in S60 apps like Youtube I get no audio. HDMI is two way audio right? Or do I need another audio type coming out of the TV into the Onkyo box?

You must run HDMI cable to HDMI2 on tv and enable ARC in your tv and onkyo. Your Onkyo must have ARC, if not than you need to run an optical cable from tv to receiver to get sound from apps.
post #3308 of 6832
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Also it was posted after that was posted and before I saw that was posted..if its annoying dont answer it. This room is to help people and if you don't like to help maybe you should leave. EL matador is a VERY big help and has helped make my decision in getting the S60
Welcome, bud. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

+1 If you edited out all the duplicate Q&A this thread would probably be about 20 pages.
I tried doing just that, sending a list of all the extraneous posts to a mod over at HDJ last year. Complete waste of time for both me and the moderator to sift through all the garbage.

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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

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Maybe someone with a lot of time on their hands can compile a FAQ and ask the OP to post it on page 1. At least then we could tell the n00b to "READ THE FAQ on PAGE 1 NOOB!" instead of "DO A SEARCH NOOB!". biggrin.gif
If the answer is in one of the links on Page 1, like the manual, I always point that out. The first thing a newb should do is read page 1 and any related links.

While seeing the same questions over and over is annoying, I can sympathize with the n00b that comes in trying to make a purchase decision within a week when it takes that long just to read through 100 posts. Searching is only helpful if you are looking for a specific thing, but a FAQ FTW! wink.gif
Every year, I made a general FAQ at HDJ (though haven't updated this years due mostly to relative forum inactivity and partly to time constraints this summer.

Since AVS seems to be a much more "happening" forum, I'll attempt an FAQ in the token "general" 2014 plasmas thread next year.

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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

You make a good point but also need to recognize that the search function for this forum is a piece of crap... Also, if you're new, you don't know who is offering good advice and who may be off the reservation with his/her thinking. I personally am most grateful to one of the big contributers to this thread. He provided invaluable advice and solid information. Big hat tip to El, and thanks for your time! smile.gif
Hat tip returned, glad I helped!

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Originally Posted by teevman View Post

I'll be looking for a second tv soon and the panasonic 60s60 appears to be a good choice. I currently have a 5080 pioneer which is still serving me very well.smile.gif My only concern about another plasma is does the panasonic emit the same level of heat that the pioneer does? Thanks!
All plasmas emit heat, and the S60 is no exception. However, the heat only raises the temperature of a relatively small room by a few degrees every hour. What I try to do on movie nights is get the room nice and cool (67 degrees) before the start of a movie, so that I can turn the noisy AC off for the rest of the film without it getting too uncomfortable by the end (the movie "Australia" be damned!).

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Originally Posted by Oimagination View Post

Do S60s have vertical banding/DSE that was common on the u50 and ut50 models?
Not that I can tell. Screen uniformity was flawless on my S60 and extremely good on my S64.

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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

So for the past few months I've been waiting for my Costco to get the S64 in stock. Every time I've visited it's been a matter of "oh, it should be here soon, keep waiting." Now both models have disappeared from online. Does anyone know if they'll be getting more, or is the S64 discontinued now/am I screwed?

Unfortunately the S60 isn't an option due to the huge windows I have - the glare on my UT50 was bad enough to contribute to it being returned.

Sigh.
Costco will no longer stock the 65S64, and their 50-inch stock is dwindling. Your only last hope is getting one from Sam's club.
post #3309 of 6832
Your 2013 Panasonic FAQ at HDJ was very helpful.
post #3310 of 6832
So just an update for everyone, I bit the bullet today and picked up one of the last 65S64's from my halfway-nearby Sam's club. Surprisingly friendly staff, and a clean place. Might turn out to be a great place to shop for other bulk items here soon.

Just a point of context for the "popularity" of this TV, the on-floor box was completely COVERED by dust. It's a shame that the general public still doesn't understand how much better plasmas are. Shame for them, anyway, since I was able to snag a set.

Some careful unboxing later, it's set up and running the D-Nice slides for 100 hours. Straight-on and to any side, the luminosity and uniformity is just about as good as the 60S60 I had back in May. Yay. Time for bad news, I can easily see the brightness change when I actually sit down in front of the set due to the anti-reflection filter. Granted, the set is set on two dressers rather than a TV stand (about 1.5 feet higher than it should be), and I'm only looking at solid-color slides, but it's still a bit of a discouraging effect to see the top of the screen clearly about 33% dimmer. Who knows, I may jerry-rig something to get the TV lower, or actually break down and get a good TV stand to have it lower.

Time will tell.

No dead pixels, no loud popping (yet!) that plagued my S60, and the extra 5-inches of screen size is appreciable. The anti-reflective filter is mildly effective compared to the mirror of the S60. I would be confident watching/gaming in ambient light, though I will always attempt to use the set in near or total darkness.

The previous posts on bias lighting are intriguing me, as I currently have my set right parallel to a large wall.

If all goes well and I find one of Fairchild's settings adequate (I know they will be), this'll be a great TV to keep, with the only caveat of slight dimming of the top of the screen at my current viewing angle.

In other words, grab one (50- or 65-inch) if you still can.
post #3311 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Your 2013 Panasonic FAQ at HDJ was very helpful.
Ah thanks mate, if I can get a couple free hours before I head back to university, I'll do another update to it. There's only 11 pages to go through, so it should be manageable. smile.gif
post #3312 of 6832
The screen is definitely dim when viewed from above. Not a huge deal but I could see it being annoying if you have people over for a party and people are seeing the TV from different angles. Of course, I only notice it before I sit down to watch it.
post #3313 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PogueSquadron View Post

The screen is definitely dim when viewed from above. Not a huge deal but I could see it being annoying if you have people over for a party and people are seeing the TV from different angles. Of course, I only notice it before I sit down to watch it.

Wouldn't be a problem if you wall mounted it. This is nothing compared to LCD side angles they are horrendous, totally washes out.
post #3314 of 6832
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Originally Posted by shenaniganz08 View Post

This isn't Facebook,stop spamming with multiple posts, use the search function, and actually READ before you post a question

It's great that you have questions, but your forum etiquette is atrocious, constantly asking the same thing and making multiple posts makes it harder to sift through the information in this thread for people who are looking for answers. Anyways lets just both drop it so we don't add to the clutter
Yes master sir
post #3315 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PogueSquadron View Post

The screen is definitely dim when viewed from above. Not a huge deal but I could see it being annoying if you have people over for a party and people are seeing the TV from different angles. Of course, I only notice it before I sit down to watch it.
Thats because of the filter.
post #3316 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Wouldn't be a problem if you wall mounted it. This is nothing compared to LCD side angles they are horrendous, totally washes out.
Not if you mount it at or above the height of your head when sitting.
post #3317 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

Time for bad news, I can easily see the brightness change when I actually sit down in front of the set due to the anti-reflection filter. Granted, the set is set on two dressers rather than a TV stand (about 1.5 feet higher than it should be), and I'm only looking at solid-color slides, but it's still a bit of a discouraging effect to see the top of the screen clearly about 33% dimmer.

This is what I've been trying to say. An A/R filter reduces the brightness of the picture and the depth of the image quite a bit, especially if viewing from any angle (even a slight one). Yes, it reduces reflections somewhat, but at a hefty cost in video fidelity. So much picture fidelity is 'robbed' by an A/R filter. I think they are awful and would never want one, as I'd much rather try reduce reflections by controlling the light input to the room.
post #3318 of 6832
You could also reduce this effect by tilting it on the wall slightly, no? Or is this frowned upon with a plasma TV?
post #3319 of 6832
EDIT
Edited by Craig-Paul - 8/23/13 at 8:08am
post #3320 of 6832
Why does it seem like the S-series has become a "race to get them while you can" scenario? Did they not manufacture very many?

I know that many of the comments here have been about the S64, which is apparently exclusive to Costco (from what I understand), but even for the standard S60s (e.g. 50S60) there seems to be this atmosphere of, "Great TV, better hurry up, they won't be around for long!'

Is this based on experience with previous generations of Panasonic plasmas, or is it a misguided reaction to the threat of Panasonic getting out of the plasma business?
post #3321 of 6832
Just chiming in to say that after lurking on the forums for a while and trying to decide between the TC-65PS64 or the Vizio 55" M Series, I bought the S64 at Sam's Club. I figured I have 90 days to evaluate it and see what I think, or return it. Plus, I upgraded my Sam's membership to a Plus, so I got the extra year warranty on the set. Overall, I like the TV. My biggest concern is that it may be too big. We definitely have the room and wall space for it, but it just seemed too big at first, particularly coming from a 46" set. If I decide to keep it I will purchase a wall mount, which will be the first time mounting a TV to the wall, but I think it will make a huge difference, plus right now my soundbar is sitting in front of the TV, which blocks the IR sensor.

As I mentioned, this is a large TV. Standard definition sources, or low-quality YouTube videos do not look good on a 65" screen. Well, some standard def isn't bad, like DVDs that the PS3 upscales, but U-verse content in SD is not so good. That has taken some getting used to. By the way, I like the YouTube and Netflix app interfaces, which are identical to the PS3. YouTube was pretty snappy, too. Netflix is a bit slow, but not bad. Oh, and the iPhone app works great. I love being able to broadcast the YouTube video to the TV. DVDs and Blu-rays look very good. I've been playing with the picture settings and I use Home Theater (a tweaked version, I think) for U-verse and daytime viewing, while for the PS3 input (for DVD, Blu-ray, and Netflix) I use Custom set to D-Nice's settings, with some tweaks.

Speaking of Netflix, just like my 46" set, this one doesn't play well with my Vizio soundbar. A light flashes and no audio is passed. The Vizio sound bar documentation says this is due to "SPDIF compressed format detected." Is there any way to correct this? Also, this TV has TERRIBLE speakers, in fact, some of the worst I have ever heard. Also, (I need to search the thread about this) I seem to be noticing some lip sync issues. And my sound bar audio is not synced with the TV audio either. My 46" Samsung had options to fix SPDIF audio delays, and I could even turn off the TV's sound. Heck, my old Panasonic from years ago let me mute the speakers without having an annoying badge on the screen all of the time.

So glare. It's present, but not bad. Honestly, the TV does pretty well. Many LED/LCD's have glare issues too, except for matte screens, which are harder to find. The Vizio E Series has matte screens, for instance. The blacks in a sun-lit room do wash out some, but it's not bad. Nighttime viewing is good, with no gray blacks or flashlighting like LED/LCD's. I have been conducting some evaluations of the set, and I may post more as I have time to spend with it.
post #3322 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

This is what I've been trying to say. An A/R filter reduces the brightness of the picture and the depth of the image quite a bit, especially if viewing from any angle (even a slight one). Yes, it reduces reflections somewhat, but at a hefty cost in video fidelity. So much picture fidelity is 'robbed' by an A/R filter. I think they are awful and would never want one, as I'd much rather try reduce reflections by controlling the light input to the room.

yes but to most of us the benefits of the A/R outweight the negatives, and I imagine this is true for 90% of people

My monitor is set up standing straight up at eye level.

IF you have a wall mounted then its not a problem.

Most people are having issues because their televisions are mounted either too high or too low. In this case the solution is to have the monitor tilted.

If you set the monitor up right then you shouldn't be having any off angle issues
post #3323 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

This is what I've been trying to say. An A/R filter reduces the brightness of the picture and the depth of the image quite a bit, especially if viewing from any angle (even a slight one). Yes, it reduces reflections somewhat, but at a hefty cost in video fidelity. So much picture fidelity is 'robbed' by an A/R filter. I think they are awful and would never want one, as I'd much rather try reduce reflections by controlling the light input to the room.
The change is by no means "hefty". In fact, in any content, one would be an absolute videophile to notice any degradation. One more thing, the difference in brightness wouldn't be visible on a typical letterboxed movie. smile.gif

On that note, the S60 or S64, we're not talking about reference-grade sets here.

This won't be a problem if I can get an "actual" TV stand, or figure out a way to tilt the set down just a tad.
post #3324 of 6832
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Originally Posted by shenaniganz08 View Post

yes but to most of us the benefits of the A/R outweight the negatives, and I imagine this is true for 90% of people

My monitor is set up standing straight up at eye level.

IF you have a wall mounted then its not a problem.

Most people are having issues because their televisions are mounted either too high or too low. In this case the solution is to have the monitor tilted.

If you set the monitor up right then you shouldn't be having any off angle issues

Even viewing dead on still reduces the brightness about 15-20%, which is a lot given these sets don't get particularly bright to begin with. It's not just brightness though - there is depth that is lost due to the A/R filter as well.
post #3325 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

The change is by no means "hefty". In fact, in any content, one would be an absolute videophile to notice any degradation. One more thing, the difference in brightness wouldn't be visible on a typical letterboxed movie. smile.gif

On that note, the S60 or S64, we're not talking about reference-grade sets here.

This won't be a problem if I can get an "actual" TV stand, or figure out a way to tilt the set down just a tad.

'Hefty' is a relative term. I would say the overall fidelity (i.e. depth and brightness) is reduced by about 10-15% due to the A/R filter - even when viewing the set straight on, which for me is a lot.
post #3326 of 6832
I recently purchased the P55S60 for a terrific price and have been running D-Nice's slides for about 150 hrs. Then I tweaked the recommended setting and it looks great. I am a plasma noob, so a friend turned me on to this site and I have done lots of reading elsewhere as well. From all I have gathered, the set is performing very well under my conditions. Mounted high but tilted, above fireplace in a moderately bright room with windows on same plane, I have little glare issue and depth remains good even with brightest room conditions, albeit with some degree of reflection. Once we drape the windows (newly remodeled room) it should be just fine.
Night viewing is everything I hoped it would be. Blows away my DLP, of course, especially black levels. Once I run it through some extended viewing I will have a better sense of the finer points raised by those here who know what to expect. Perhaps the perspective of a discerning noob might help other casual researchers.
post #3327 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

'Hefty' is a relative term. I would say the overall fidelity (i.e. depth and brightness) is reduced by about 10-15% due to the A/R filter - even when viewing the set straight on, which for me is a lot.
Legitimately curious question, do you have any figures to back that 10-15% claim up? Or are you just guestimating it from eye-to-eye comparison?
post #3328 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

Legitimately curious question, do you have any figures to back that 10-15% claim up? Or are you just guestimating it from eye-to-eye comparison?

+1 to this because right now I call bullsh it
post #3329 of 6832
Hey guys what are the best settings for ps3 on this tv

right now im using

picture mode: standard
contrast;50
brightnes;0
color:50
tint:0
sharpness;50
color temp:normal
vivid color:off
cats:off
videonr:off
mpegnr:off

adv settings]]

1080ppd: off
hdmicontenttype: Auto
rgb range: standard
blklvl: light

ive been plying ps3 since i first turned the tv on havent seen any ir and use the ps3 8 hrs a time im kinda affrid to change these setting cas there working so good played zombies immeaditly for lke 3 hrs when i first got it and seen no ir at all is it because ir occurs afteer the 100 hours or did i just get a good set also pixel orbiter is set to on
Edited by DrVenom24 - 8/18/13 at 5:30am
post #3330 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

You must run HDMI cable to HDMI2 on tv and enable ARC in your tv and onkyo. Your Onkyo must have ARC, if not than you need to run an optical cable from tv to receiver to get sound from apps.

You also need an HDMI cable capable of ARC, look for one that says "with ethernet".
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