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post #4171 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I don't know if I'm just picky or what, but the line bleed on this set is bothering me. I've had a few times during normal content where it has been blatantly visible. Once during Futurama where it made if seem as if a character was transparent (face in front of wall with a line on the sides, resulted in a darkened area through the face that made it seem like the character was transparent) and then a few times during a normal live action show where in a certain area characters had dark lines on their necks. Definitely the screen, too, as I flipped the content back over to the laptop and it was fine there.

Also, I've noticed gradients tend to look very blocky and artifacty? It's really, really bad on any content that's remotely compressed. Even really well encoded 10GB+ 1080p BluRay rips are showing it on any sort of gradient. I understand these exist within the content (at least to a degree), but it's far more noticeable on this set than any other I've used. It's extremely bad on more compressed content (Netflix, TV rips, etc.) which make up the majority of the content I view.

I want to love this set (mostly since it's 65" and would be a pain to return), but these problems are bothering me. There's the buzzing too, but given that I had multiple UT50s do the same, I guess it's just how Panasonic's newer plasmas are. Damn, sometimes I wish I were more like the average viewer and could watch 480p 4:3 content stretched across a crappy screen and not even know the difference.

No. It isn't just you. I had (have) the same complaints. I am noticing them less, but I am just not looking for them as often. Still, every now and then it's so noticeable that I can't help but see it and be annoyed by it. Unfortunately, it's a fault with plasma technology, and even the higher end models exhibit this issue. But go with LED and you have to deal with backlight bleeding, screen uniformity issues, brighter blacks and lower contrast, etc. I don't notice the gradation issue so much unless that is causing the fluctuating brightness I see on occasion, but I doubt it. When watching cartoons, particularly on some channels, it is more prominent. But I don't notice it as much with Netflix, DVDs, or Blu-rays. Once you get over the evaluation phase and begin enjoying it more you may pay less attention to it. It's unfortunate that plasma has this issue because the picture is very good and then all of a sudden you'll see this defect.
post #4172 of 6832
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post

Has anyone compared the 60" S60 with the LG 60PN5700? I've seen some crazy low prices on the LG, (although they are higher right now), and it looks like it has a richer feature set (3 HDMI in, full browser). I have 2 Panasonic plasmas, and I've been very happy with them, but i'm not married to the brand. What are the advantages of the S60 vs the 60PN5700?

I just returned the LG6700 which is the same panel but has 3D. I figured i would give it a try and it was a good set with alot of options for picture adjustments and so forth but the S60 that I replaced it with is heads above the LG in blacks, color and shadow detail.
post #4173 of 6832
Thanks to all the contributors on this thread. Started off my TV buying with LED in mind. All those bright LED panels looked attractive, whenever I compared them with PLASMA in store.

Then after 2-3 weeks of reading reviews and avsforum threads. I started to look into PLASMA. Bought a TC 50S64 from Costco.

Loving it. Great upgrade to me from 40" Samsung 5000 series LED.

Youtube app shudders intermittently, while AMAZON streams HD without any issue. Anyone with the same issue in using Youtube.

Right now I use chromecast to stream youtube which works fine. If there is a fix for this.

My Internet speed is 15MBPS.
post #4174 of 6832
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

I've never had an LED TV, but from what everyone here says, you have to pay twice as much for an LED to get equivalent PQ and Vizio is a budget brand, not a premium brand like Panasonic.

The 65S64 can be found at Sam's for $1288 with free delivery. The AR filter is designed for overhead lights just like your can lights. If you sit in the corner near the sliding glass door and have your gas fireplace lit, you might notice the reflection at night on dark scenes. Reflections are only noticeable at the opposite horizontal angle (think of a pool table and if the light source is the cue ball, the reflection will only be noticed at the opposite angle where the cue ball bounces off the edge where the edge is like your TV). The AR filter is designed for over head lighting rather than horizontal lighting. I have street lamps and neighbors' porch and patio lights outside my windows across the streets and they don't affect my TV, although I keep my mini blinds drawn all the time. My setup is similar to yours where my dining table would be in front of your fireplace and I have an overhead chandelier raised all the way up to my vaulted ceiling near the edge of the table closer to the TV and it reflects off the far wall next to the TV, but not on the TV, so I'd guess your rear can lights will not be any problem. I have a couch between where your 2 windows are and a lamp about where your corner window is and if I have that on at night can see it's reflection in the TV on dark scenes if I sit on the left side of my couch roughly where your other window or fireplace is.

Thanks for the input man.. it's very helpful.

I only have one Sam's close to me, and they don't have it in stock. I can however get it from a local Costco for 1299, but would have to do the delivery myself. I can make it fit in my jeep, but it would probably have to lay at an angle. Or I can borrow an old janky pick-up from my brother, strap it down as best as I can, and drive it 25 miles or so.

You make a good point about the PQ of LEDs.. the Vizio really is nothing but a big TV with passable quality, but nothing special. Outside of Vizio, I haven't come across anything that matches the price of a 65" s64, let alone the quality.

I may just have to buy this from Costco, and try it out for a few weeks to see how well it works for us.
post #4175 of 6832
So, what I've found from testing (and also some research) is that the rainbow/flashing effect I'm seeing is noticeable moreso on warmer color settings. I don't know why exactly, but I think it's the same reason people say phosphor trailing is less noticeable on cooler settings (and I think the "rainbow" effect as people call it is essentially just phosphor trails caused by eye panning).

So, I tried dialing in some settings to reduce how red the blackest blacks and the whitest whites are (changing the High R and G and Low R and G). It has helped a lot! If you are experiencing any sort of flashing, try dialing down the reds and yellows.

What I'd like to ask is this - is there a way I can cool down blacks and whites, but still retain some warmer colors in the rest of the middle values? I'm still using Warm 2, as I still feel it is looking better than Normal or Warm 1 even after my tweaks.

No, this isn't a calibration at all but I'm just trying to get some good settings that work better for my eyes.

Edit: Just played games for a couple hours with no problems at all. Watched some of The Office and Breaking Bad, and the very bright colors seen in reflections and clothing don't seem to be bothering me at all. Not seeing any weird green or yellow shimmering or anything. Very happy! I think I might finally be able to truly kick back and enjoy this TV.
Edited by PogueSquadron - 9/23/13 at 10:31pm
post #4176 of 6832
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Originally Posted by smurph98gt View Post

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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

The 65S64 can be found at Sam's for $1288 with free delivery.

I only have one Sam's close to me, and they don't have it in stock. I can however get it from a local Costco for 1299, but would have to do the delivery myself. I can make it fit in my jeep, but it would probably have to lay at an angle. Or I can borrow an old janky pick-up from my brother, strap it down as best as I can, and drive it 25 miles or so.

I may just have to buy this from Costco, and try it out for a few weeks to see how well it works for us.

Did you check samsclub.com or costco.com? I think someone said they were sold out online, but it doesn't hurt to check especially as my local Sam's had 4 in stock and while one day it's sold out online, the next they add some inventory. Also both stores have a 90 day return policy, which is plenty of time to decide if you like it or not.
post #4177 of 6832
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Did you check samsclub.com or costco.com? I think someone said they were sold out online, but it doesn't hurt to check especially as my local Sam's had 4 in stock and while one day it's sold out online, the next they add some inventory. Also both stores have a 90 day return policy, which is plenty of time to decide if you like it or not.

I check my local Costco almost daily, they still have 3 65" on the floor, plus the demo model.
post #4178 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I don't know if I'm just picky or what, but the line bleed on this set is bothering me. I've had a few times during normal content where it has been blatantly visible. Once during Futurama where it made if seem as if a character was transparent (face in front of wall with a line on the sides, resulted in a darkened area through the face that made it seem like the character was transparent) and then a few times during a normal live action show where in a certain area characters had dark lines on their necks. Definitely the screen, too, as I flipped the content back over to the laptop and it was fine there.

Also, I've noticed gradients tend to look very blocky and artifacty? It's really, really bad on any content that's remotely compressed. Even really well encoded 10GB+ 1080p BluRay rips are showing it on any sort of gradient. I understand these exist within the content (at least to a degree), but it's far more noticeable on this set than any other I've used. It's extremely bad on more compressed content (Netflix, TV rips, etc.) which make up the majority of the content I view.

I want to love this set (mostly since it's 65" and would be a pain to return), but these problems are bothering me. There's the buzzing too, but given that I had multiple UT50s do the same, I guess it's just how Panasonic's newer plasmas are. Damn, sometimes I wish I were more like the average viewer and could watch 480p 4:3 content stretched across a crappy screen and not even know the difference.

1) All plasmas have line bleed, just part of the technology

2) blocky gradation is 95% content, 5% television. IF you notice blockiness = probably the content, if you notice blockiness that "flickkers" = probably the TV

3) Most plasma buzz
post #4179 of 6832
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

I check my local Costco almost daily, they still have 3 65" on the floor, plus the demo model.

I checked Costco.com, and they only list one Panasonic TV at all - a TC-58LE64 LED 58". Are they pulling the brand entirely?
post #4180 of 6832
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post

I checked Costco.com, and they only list one Panasonic TV at all - a TC-58LE64 LED 58". Are they pulling the brand entirely?

I cant answer that. They use to have the Plasmas on their site also, but they come and go. It has been a while since seeing one on the site though, I just know my local one has some on the floor.
post #4181 of 6832
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post

I checked Costco.com, and they only list one Panasonic TV at all - a TC-58LE64 LED 58". Are they pulling the brand entirely?

They're not pulling the brand, but Panasonic has discontinued production of the S64 series over a month ago and the remaining inventory is probably drying up fast.

Costco's online store is operated completely separate from their physical brick-and-mortar stores so what you see (or don't see) on their website has nothing to do with what they have in stock at their various stores. There have been times where there were no Panasonic Plasmas showing on their online store's website at all, yet my three or four closest Costco stores had several Panasonic Plasmas on the floor (i am literally surrounded by Costco stores here). I was just in the Torrance store a few days ago and they had some 50" and 65" S64s on the pallet even though there were none showing at their online store.

If you want an S64, i heartily recommend taking an appropriate vehicle to some local stores ASAP so if they have any left, you can snap one up on the spot. When they're gone, they're gone for good.
post #4182 of 6832
For anyone looking for some great eye candy to watch on their sets, check out Tron Uprising on Netflix streaming. If you're getting HD quality you're going to be blown away by how the series looks on this TV (I have the 65" S64). The deep blacks look incredible. Plus, the series is pretty darn good.
post #4183 of 6832
I just purchased a TC-P50S60 panel as a 2nd bedroom set (great panel for the $$).... does anyone know how to null out the audio coming from the TV's speakers?

I'm using a ZVOX 555 Soundbase and every time I turn the 555's volume up or down, the TV's volume goes up & down. There are no obvious settings in the TV's setup's that would null it out.
post #4184 of 6832
If I get a digital audio out cable to go from my receiver to the TV, will I be able to pick and choose when to use the TV audio and when I want to use the receiver audio, or will the receiver audio replace the TV speakers?
post #4185 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PogueSquadron View Post

If I get a digital audio out cable to go from my receiver to the TV, will I be able to pick and choose when to use the TV audio and when I want to use the receiver audio, or will the receiver audio replace the TV speakers?
I am able to switch but it depends on how you set it up and what kind of AVR you have.
post #4186 of 6832
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Originally Posted by bsprtsgrp View Post

I just purchased a TC-P50S60 panel as a 2nd bedroom set (great panel for the $$).... does anyone know how to null out the audio coming from the TV's speakers?

I'm using a ZVOX 555 Soundbase and every time I turn the 555's volume up or down, the TV's volume goes up & down. There are no obvious settings in the TV's setup's that would null it out.

You might have to turn off VieraLink to keep the 555 from controlling your TV volume.
post #4187 of 6832
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Originally Posted by bsprtsgrp View Post

I just purchased a TC-P50S60 panel as a 2nd bedroom set (great panel for the $$).... does anyone know how to null out the audio coming from the TV's speakers?

I'm using a ZVOX 555 Soundbase and every time I turn the 555's volume up or down, the TV's volume goes up & down. There are no obvious settings in the TV's setup's that would null it out.

Others have stated you can do it through Vierra Tools. I use an optical audio out to my sound bar, so I don't have that option. I just turned down the speakers to 0 and programmed my U-verse remote to control the sound bar audio.
post #4188 of 6832
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bsprtsgrp View Post

I just purchased a TC-P50S60 panel as a 2nd bedroom set (great panel for the $$).... does anyone know how to null out the audio coming from the TV's speakers?

I'm using a ZVOX 555 Soundbase and every time I turn the 555's volume up or down, the TV's volume goes up & down. There are no obvious settings in the TV's setup's that would null it out.

This is an issue with the ZVOX - their volume control method is not compatible with the 2013 Panasonic lineup since you can't turn the speakers off.

One possible workaround is to set up the ZVOX remote with the volume command for a different brand of TV or for a cable box or sat receiver etc that has it's own volume control. That way your Panasonic TV will ignore the non-Panasonic volume commands that the ZVOX remote sends out.
post #4189 of 6832
I used the four (or five depending how you look at it) calibration settings recommended for the 65S64. Here is what I found on my set which only has about 200 hours on it. I used the movie Inception and NFL football games to compare and contrast the settings.

1) Fairchild's newest settings in Cinema, but left W/B detail adjustment and Color detail adjustment at default (as recommended). RESULT was screen just way too dark. Ellen Page's jacket is rust/brown color.
2) Googer's settings on Custom - RESULT was too much red. Ellen Page's jacket is bright red. Flesh colors are just too red. On the positive side, everything is much brighter than any of Fairchild's settings, which my untrained eyes like.
3) CNET settings on Custom - RESULT was too blueish green. These are ok, but not as good as the next two.
4) Fairchild's newest settings on Custom, but using the W/B detail adjustment and Color detail adjustment. RESULT was better. Ellen Page's jacket is now some color between rust and red. But there may be a bit too much yellow in the greens.
5) Fairchild's oldest settings in Cinema, but using the W/B detail adjustment and Color detail adjustment. RESULT The football field is a beautiful green shade and looks crisp.

Right now I have 4 and 5 on my TV and I have been going back and forth between them. I like 5 the best. 4 looks just a little bit duller than 5. But you cannot really go wrong with either one. They are so very close. I think once my set ages, it will look better on Fairchild's newest settings so I am just going to keep them in Custom until I get at least 1000 hours on it and then I might move them over to cinema and see how they look then.

Thanks to all of the people that put these settings on here. I really appreciate it. My TV has gone from just OK to amazing.
post #4190 of 6832
So interesting how tvs differ! I used Fairchild's current settings on my 50S64 but left W/B detail adjustment and Color detail adjustment at default (as specified). Love the picture, awesome! My tv is sitting at ~350 hrs of operation. Tried the disney wow disk just for kicks and fairchilds settings worked good, no need to change. I am most grateful for Fairchild's settings because: a) they work well on my tv and b) I would have hated a trial and error process to get even close to his settings. I haven't tried any of the others cause I like where its at right now! smile.gif
post #4191 of 6832
Its not just the TVs that differ. People have different preferences and environments also.
post #4192 of 6832
ARRGGH! I have spent a good half hour searching for Fairchilds settings to try them out. Just got my TV delivered today after a HORRIFIC first attempt by CEVA with a cracked screen and having to wait to get it I want to enjoy it but have already had to reprogram my Logitech remote and move things around...

PLEASE someone help me find Fairchilds settings! Thanks!
post #4193 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DtroitPunk View Post

ARRGGH! I have spent a good half hour searching for Fairchilds settings to try them out. Just got my TV delivered today after a HORRIFIC first attempt by CEVA with a cracked screen and having to wait to get it I want to enjoy it but have already had to reprogram my Logitech remote and move things around...

PLEASE someone help me find Fairchilds settings! Thanks!
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1290#post_23290695
post #4194 of 6832
Thanks so much! That was a HUGE help and I really appreciate it.

So far I am pretty flipping impressed. This was a step up from a Panasonic TCP42X1 (720P) that is now in my kitchen for Wii Dance duty!

The only thing I noticed was a slightly lighter shaded area in the VERY upper rightmost corner! At first I thought it was smudging or streaking around the bezel tape but NO, its actually between the two layers of glass. I can only see it when the TV is off though so I can live with it for sure.

Don't want to have to send it back and wait AGAIN although the guys from J.B Hunt were great I have no desire to risk getting CEVA again!mad.gif
post #4195 of 6832
I did call Panasonic today who informed me that the 2013 lineup cannot turn-off the TV's speakers
post #4196 of 6832
I've seen it touched on but has there been any confirmation of a 2014 42" 1080p?

I want a new TV for the bedroom, this Vizio E3D320VX has the worst ghosting/motion blur I've ever seen and it's basically turned me off LCD TVs for life (even though I know full well a lot won't have this issue). But 50" is probably a big too large for my bedroom.

Also how long do they stick to kind of the retail price, even though I'd prefer 42" seeing the 50" is around $650 right now it would seem silly to pay nearly $800 for a 42" and have to wait 6 months.

And finally, anyone have any opinion on the 50" S60 vs the Samsung PN51F5300?
post #4197 of 6832
Just a heads up for anyone looking for a 65S64 ....

Just checked this morning and it seems that Sam's club received a new supply - LIMITED STOCK online w/ free shipping. Just registered and got my order in.

Looking forward to it since my Mitsubishi DLP broke a couple of weeks ago...my first ever dip ever into plasma:)
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I thanked you yesterday but forgot to quote you! Sorry about that I DID really appreciate it. You saved me some time and those settings look pretty damn good to me!
post #4199 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DtroitPunk View Post

I thanked you yesterday but forgot to quote you! Sorry about that I DID really appreciate it. You saved me some time and those settings look pretty damn good to me!
YW Congrats on the new TV.
post #4200 of 6832
Just pulled the trigger on a 65S60 from Amazon. Their price dropped today to the same level as Sam's 65S64. It's being delivered Monday. I should have bought yesterday at the higher price and had it delivered Friday, then got the price drop credited back under price protection, but what the heck, in the long run it's just one weekend! I don't anticipate any glare problems from the glossy screen, as the viewing room has no direct sun coming into it at any time of day. I'm psyched to get it up and running! It'll be replacing a 5+yr old PC50U (?) something like that, 720p plasma. That still has a great picture btw, but a lightning strike fried the HMDI inputs, hence the chance to get a new one! That'll be consigned to XBOX duty on the component input - kids are happy about that - it's a great set for gaming.

I'll give the Fairchild settings a shot, and also the ones on CNET, but ultmately I'll probably just noodle with it until i'm happy. Game on!
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