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post #4201 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

I've seen it touched on but has there been any confirmation of a 2014 42" 1080p?

I want a new TV for the bedroom, this Vizio E3D320VX has the worst ghosting/motion blur I've ever seen and it's basically turned me off LCD TVs for life (even though I know full well a lot won't have this issue). But 50" is probably a big too large for my bedroom.

Also how long do they stick to kind of the retail price, even though I'd prefer 42" seeing the 50" is around $650 right now it would seem silly to pay nearly $800 for a 42" and have to wait 6 months.

And finally, anyone have any opinion on the 50" S60 vs the Samsung PN51F5300?
At 42", I wouldn't worry about 720p vs 1080p - I'd be really suprised if you could see a difference unless you're viewing it up really close. I have a 42" 720p in my bedroom, viewing from maybe 10 ft away, and I know for sure I couldn't tell if it's 720p or 1080p. Your eyes may be better than mine though!
post #4202 of 6832

Hi Guys:

 

Brand new poster and must say fantastic resource here.  I picked up an P50S60 last weekend to replace a 40" Samsung LCD from 2009.

 

I research things exhaustively before purchasing them, and picked up this set based on various reviews.  It is my first Plasma and am still not sure if I am going to keep it, but the picture is so beautiful with Blu-Ray at night it's a tough choice (especially with Space scenes with blacks/whites/blues etc.).

 

My usage is around:

 

TV about 10%, mostly during football season

Gaming about 10%

Movies at night about 80% (thus my venturing into Plasmas)

 

So far games are beautiful (GTAV, Arkham City, Black Ops Etc.) with no lag.

 

Concerns:

 

Grayish picture during the day watching football, I understand this is the nature of Plasma due to ABL?

 

Perhaps it's 'dithering' or 'posterization'; very noticeable during 'The Tudors' (wife is way into it) as many dark scenes are shot by candle/fire light and the reds seem to bleed on faces, also the reds in the background aren't 'solid'.

 

I'm streaming from a PS3; I haven't hooked up the little plastic barrel doohickies to the HDMI cables and will try tonight but is this common?

 

Oranges/Reds look vary saturated (i.e. watching a Broncos game their uniforms are unnatural looking).  Something I can correct on picture settings?

 

The panel only has about 20 hours on it so I haven't fussed with the settings much.

 

TIA!

post #4203 of 6832
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Originally Posted by CT1911 View Post


I'm streaming from a PS3; I haven't hooked up the little plastic barrel doohickies to the HDMI cables and will try tonight but is this common?

You'll see the manual shows picture's of "What's in the Box" and labels the plastic barrel doohickies as ferrite cores (or similar)
You gave me a chuckle. Everyone always wonders what these things are and for good reason.

The are for composite/component cables and the power cable, not HDMI.
post #4204 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

YW Congrats on the new TV.

Thanks, we are loving it! Got 24 months same as cash from Amazon so I couldn't NOT buy it, ya know?
post #4205 of 6832
Your research should've alerted you to the fact that Plasma isn't as natively bright as LCD meaning that in a BRIGHT room some images can appear washed out. Its all a trade off though. a Decent LED?LCD may look better in the day but will NEVER look as good at night or off center etc.

The manual says the ferrite cores provided are for HDMI (2) and USB Keyboard (1) they say that these can help reduce electromagnetic and radio frequency interference. They may not make any difference to YOU but your neighbors might thank you for using them.

Last page you can find a link to Farichilds settings and I found them to be VERY good. Just follow his instructions and then copy to all inputs.
post #4206 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

You'll see the manual shows picture's of "What's in the Box" and labels the plastic barrel doohickies as ferrite cores (or similar)
You gave me a chuckle. Everyone always wonders what these things are and for good reason.

The are for composite/component cables and the power cable, not HDMI.

Sorry, they ARE for HDMI "The manual says the ferrite cores provided are for HDMI (2) and USB Keyboard (1) they say that these can help reduce electromagnetic and radio frequency interference. They may not make any difference to YOU but your neighbors might thank you for using them."

I had to look information up on them yesterday to learn this.
post #4207 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

can anyone comment on the availability of the 50" S60 in the coming months? and whether there will be any 2013 models for sale in Q1 2014 (before the 2014 models are launched in March/April)?

*bump*

anyone? does no one know? based on trends this year and last year?
post #4208 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DtroitPunk View Post

Your research should've alerted you to the fact that Plasma isn't as natively bright as LCD meaning that in a BRIGHT room some images can appear washed out. Its all a trade off though. a Decent LED?LCD may look better in the day but will NEVER look as good at night or off center etc.

The manual says the ferrite cores provided are for HDMI (2) and USB Keyboard (1) they say that these can help reduce electromagnetic and radio frequency interference. They may not make any difference to YOU but your neighbors might thank you for using them.

Last page you can find a link to Farichilds settings and I found them to be VERY good. Just follow his instructions and then copy to all inputs.

 

I did read about this; and was a bit worried due my living room having six 8' east facing windows; however I'm in the city so the only time direct light is in the room is 9:00 am; not really when the Tv is on.

 
I'm gonna hook up Fairchilds settings but thought I'd put a few more hours on first.  I have Life of PI Blu-Ray coming in the mail via Netflix and am pretty pumped for the visuals.
 
So the ferrite cores for the HDMI cables reduce interference but in now way affect the picture?
post #4209 of 6832
Well, from everything I've read the ferrite cores USUALLY don't affect picture or sound quality though it IS possible, if you have some grounding issues or there is a lot of general interference in your home or neighborhood, that using the cores may give you some improvement.

Fairchild specifically lays out that if your TV is new you shouldn't do some advanced settings but the basic settings are REALLY good and made a noticeable difference for us.

The Life of Pi is a BEAUTIFUL film but you will probably want to tweak it to those settings and watch something like Futurama, Simpsons or whatever that you KNOW What it should look like first. If the settings look good to you than you will be seeing the Blu Ray near the way it was meant to be seen..

Good luck!
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LOTS of buzz that Panasonic MAY be leaving the Plasma business but no one has committed solid info yet.
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Been doing some side to side(DVD vs DVD, 2 copies of Mirror mask for ex) comparisons between my S60 and my Sony wega mid-2000's CRT(using component cables). And i have to say, the S60's whites in either WARM 1 or 2 are dissapointing. they're dirty, dim and completely lack punch(Bluray helps a lot since bluray discs ARE a lot brighter and of course boast richer vibrant saturated colors) while my CRT's are pure white and super bright. In order to get simular whites you have to plunk the S60 in Cool 1, but then the colors look....well, cool. :P Another issue which thankfully can be fixed in the color pro settings, is GREEN. in custom mode, out of the box this set has an ugly green haze/cast going on....The white balance and hue for green are all wrong which basically turns rich browns and even whites into a puke colored mess. I've already corrected this by plunking W/B high Green to -20 and maxing to green hue. Also, i can't fathom how some of you guys keep black extension to zero.

This set doesn't look right without it being used. with it set to zero, the entire picture looks washed & flat. It doesn't matter how high the gamma is, the problem still occurs. i have it at 5(which has it looking similar to my crt now) which was the default setting anyways in custom. I wont be watching DVD's on this set anymore, it's bluray or nothing in terms of film content. DVD's will strictly be for my CRT. On a plasma, the brightness, even color and black levels when watching dvd's(aside from looking soft and blown up) are a noticeable step down vs an SDTV, or at least the one's i've owned as of late for that matter.
Edited by WaveBoy - 9/25/13 at 12:12pm
post #4212 of 6832
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Been doing some side to side(DVD vs DVD, 2 copies of Mirror mask for ex) comparisons between my S60 and my Sony wega mid-2000's CRT(using component cables). And i have to say, the S60's whites in either WARM 1 or 2 are dissapointing. they're dirty, dim and completely lack punch(Bluray helps a lot since bluray discs ARE a lot brighter and of course boast richer vibrant saturated colors) while my CRT's are pure white and super bright. In order to get simular whites you have to plunk the S60 in Cool 1, but then the colors look....well, cool. :P Another issue which thankfully can be fixed in the color pro settings, is GREEN. in custom mode, out of the box this set has an ugly green haze/cast going on....The white balance and hue for green are all wrong which basically turns rich browns and even whites into a puke colored mess. I've already corrected this by plunking W/B high Green to -20 and maxing to green hue. Also, i can't fathom how some of you guys keep black extension to zero.

This set doesn't look right without it being used. with it set to zero, the entire picture looks washed & flat. It doesn't matter how high the gamma is, the problem still occurs. i have it at 5(which has it looking similar to my crt now) which was the default setting anyways in custom. I wont be watching DVD's on this set anymore, it's bluray or nothing in terms of film content. DVD's will strictly be for my CRT. On a plasma, the brightness, even color and black levels when watching dvd's(aside from looking soft and blown up) are a noticeable step down vs an SDTV, or at least the one's i've owned as of late for that matter.

Are you talking about a rear projection CRT? You CAN get a nice picture on those, but they're awfully fussy - constantly having to adjust the guns, etc - and they are HUGE. I have a 60" Pioneer Elite in my garage that the kids watch - looks like the monolith from 2001 A Space Odyssey when not in use. You have to be basically right in front of it too - lousy side viewing. It's HD, not SD though.
post #4213 of 6832
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post

Are you talking about a rear projection CRT? You CAN get a nice picture on those, but they're awfully fussy - constantly having to adjust the guns, etc - and they are HUGE. I have a 60" Pioneer Elite in my garage that the kids watch - looks like the monolith from 2001 A Space Odyssey when not in use. You have to be basically right in front of it too - lousy side viewing. It's HD, not SD though.

Nope, it's direct view. the picture on my CRT is pretty damn awesome as far as i'm concerned. right now, i'm just trying to get the same look on my S60 as far as colors, brightness and gamma is concerned. you can leave whites out, since the S60 doesn't know how to properly produce them.lol aside from having some slight motion blur, the whites are another sacrifice i have to make when jumping from CRT to plasma whenever i'm using normal, warm or warm 2 temps. At least the black levels, along with the color gamut and brightness surpass my CRT's whenever i'm displaying 'HD' content(Bluray,PS3 for ex) DVD's for ex on my S60 vs my CRT are clearly dimmer, whites and lacks in punch ect.

I would of went with the ST60(Better motion, even better blacks, brighter/whiter whites, 3D ec) but again the input lag for gaming is what stopped me, besides a 60" ST60 vs a S60 would cost you almost an arm & a leg.
post #4214 of 6832
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Nope, it's direct view. the picture on my CRT is pretty damn awesome as far as i'm concerned. right now, i'm just trying to get the same look on my S60 as far as colors, brightness and gamma is concerned. you can leave whites out, since the S60 doesn't know how to properly produce them.lol aside from having some slight motion blur, the whites are another sacrifice i have to make when jumping from CRT to plasma whenever i'm using normal, warm or warm 2 temps. At least the black levels, along with the color gamut and brightness surpass my CRT's whenever i'm displaying 'HD' content(Bluray,PS3 for ex) DVD's for ex on my S60 vs my CRT are clearly dimmer, whites and lacks in punch ect.

I would of went with the ST60(Better motion, even better blacks, brighter/whiter whites, 3D ec) but again the input lag for gaming is what stopped me, besides a 60" ST60 vs a S60 would cost you almost an arm & a leg.

Ah, gotcha. Tough to beat one of those for a vivid picture. I still have a 35" Sony Trinitron in one of my kids' room, and it does look great on DVDs and other non-HD content. Of course, comparitively the screen is tiny, it can't do HD, and it weighs over 200lbs! He games on it, and watches DVDs and even old VHS tapes. In fact my house is basically a shrine to "TV through the ages". About the only thing I don't have somewhere is a black and white TV.
post #4215 of 6832
damnit. Ordered from SAMS online a couple days ago, and they cancelled the order today. Looks like all of the orders that went through online are being cancelled since their website can't show the correct inventory to save their lives. As soon as I call them, and they confirm they have none, the website shows it in stock again!

Complete BS.
post #4216 of 6832
I ordered a 65S60 from Amazon today at the same price as the Sam's deal, free shipping, set up at delivery, and 2% credit to put against future purchases. I know the Sam's version has the extra anti-glare filter, so that may not help you, but if you don't need the filter - order from Amazon!
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DtroitPunk View Post

LOTS of buzz that Panasonic MAY be leaving the Plasma business but no one has committed solid info yet.

Actually it's been confirmed months ago. Panasonic will be getting out of the Plasma business. The 2014 lineup will be their last Plasmas.
post #4218 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually it's been confirmed months ago. Panasonic will be getting out of the Plasma business. The 2014 lineup will be their last Plasmas.

Where specifically has it been confirmed that the 2014 lineup will be the their last? I hadn't heard that, though I am aware of the announcement that they will no longer do R&D on plasma tech.
post #4219 of 6832
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post

At 42", I wouldn't worry about 720p vs 1080p - I'd be really suprised if you could see a difference unless you're viewing it up really close. I have a 42" 720p in my bedroom, viewing from maybe 10 ft away, and I know for sure I couldn't tell if it's 720p or 1080p. Your eyes may be better than mine though!

I'll be fairly close to it, may at most 10 feet. In the case I'll probably use it the most it's going to be about 6-7 feet.

The big reason though is largely gaming and computer use. The extra screen real estate and the extra resolution is noticeable for me. At least when I switch to and from 720p.

But now I've sort of shifted gears now that I've learned about the anti-glare filter on the Sams/Costco version, probably will spring and go for a 50".
Edited by Kurtangletn - 9/25/13 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually it's been confirmed months ago. Panasonic will be getting out of the Plasma business. The 2014 lineup will be their last Plasmas.

Where specifically has it been confirmed that the 2014 lineup will be the their last? I hadn't heard that, though I am aware of the announcement that they will no longer do R&D on plasma tech.
I have the same problem. As far as I am aware, there have been no announcements by Panasonic about terminating their plasma production. While they may do that, it certainly hasn't been announced.
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Originally Posted by ToonMasterTim View Post

No. It isn't just you. I had (have) the same complaints. I am noticing them less, but I am just not looking for them as often. Still, every now and then it's so noticeable that I can't help but see it and be annoyed by it. Unfortunately, it's a fault with plasma technology, and even the higher end models exhibit this issue. But go with LED and you have to deal with backlight bleeding, screen uniformity issues, brighter blacks and lower contrast, etc. I don't notice the gradation issue so much unless that is causing the fluctuating brightness I see on occasion, but I doubt it. When watching cartoons, particularly on some channels, it is more prominent. But I don't notice it as much with Netflix, DVDs, or Blu-rays. Once you get over the evaluation phase and begin enjoying it more you may pay less attention to it. It's unfortunate that plasma has this issue because the picture is very good and then all of a sudden you'll see this defect.

Hopefully! Last night I did see some image retention that was concerning though. My girlfriend had left Netflix up for all of three minutes on a movie's description and then shut the TV off. I powered it on several hours later and could read the description and title for the show. Took a little while to get rid of it. Not sure that bodes well for my plans to game on the TV...

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Originally Posted by shenaniganz08 View Post

1) All plasmas have line bleed, just part of the technology

2) blocky gradation is 95% content, 5% television. IF you notice blockiness = probably the content, if you notice blockiness that "flickkers" = probably the TV

3) Most plasma buzz

The line bleed seems particularly bad on this model, however. Possibly worse than the UT50 I owned and returned, as I don't recall it ever having bothered me on normal content. By comparison, the VT25 I was used to watching had very little line bleed, difficult to notice even with abnormal content like a Windows desktop. And that's a nearly four year old TV.

Regarding the blocky gradation, I was even noticing it during gaming with the 360 - the boot screen, dashboard background, and then car interiors in Forza. Given that it's not a compressed prerecorded video, I would imagine that the blockiness would be the TV's fault? It's bad enough that it's bothersome while playing. Maybe I'll have to post pictures.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually it's been confirmed months ago. Panasonic will be getting out of the Plasma business. The 2014 lineup will be their last Plasmas.

any word on what that 2014 lineup will look like?

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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

Where specifically has it been confirmed that the 2014 lineup will be the their last? I hadn't heard that, though I am aware of the announcement that they will no longer do R&D on plasma tech.

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I have the same problem. As far as I am aware, there have been no announcements by Panasonic about terminating their plasma production. While they may do that, it certainly hasn't been announced.

+1, I'm not entirely sure 2014 will be the last year but R&D has been cut massively (though I might have read somewhere a little bit will still go on for a year or two).

My main concern is that I want a 50" 1080p Panasonic plasma but I won't have saved up the money til after X-mas and so I'm not sure whether there will still be 2013 options or whether I'll have to wait and see what the 2014 consists of (which may be more restrictive/limited I'm afraid).
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

Hopefully! Last night I did see some image retention that was concerning though. My girlfriend had left Netflix up for all of three minutes on a movie's description and then shut the TV off. I powered it on several hours later and could read the description and title for the show. Took a little while to get rid of it. Not sure that bodes well for my plans to game on the TV...
The line bleed seems particularly bad on this model, however. Possibly worse than the UT50 I owned and returned, as I don't recall it ever having bothered me on normal content. By comparison, the VT25 I was used to watching had very little line bleed, difficult to notice even with abnormal content like a Windows desktop. And that's a nearly four year old TV.

Regarding the blocky gradation, I was even noticing it during gaming with the 360 - the boot screen, dashboard background, and then car interiors in Forza. Given that it's not a compressed prerecorded video, I would imagine that the blockiness would be the TV's fault? It's bad enough that it's bothersome while playing. Maybe I'll have to post pictures.

That image retention is normal. It would seem that the phosphors have a bit of memory, and even days after you shut the set off they will still have a bit of IR of the last bright thing they showed.

It always goes away after a very short amount of regular viewing, so don't worry about it.
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ugh...TV went back in stock today at SAMS. I place another order, call them and ask why they cancelled my first one. They claim I ordered 2 TV's, and weren't sure if I wanted them, so they cancelled it. I never ordered 2 in the first place, so hopefully they will deliver this one as promised!
post #4225 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

any word on what that 2014 lineup will look like?

+1, I'm not entirely sure 2014 will be the last year but R&D has been cut massively (though I might have read somewhere a little bit will still go on for a year or two).

My main concern is that I want a 50" 1080p Panasonic plasma but I won't have saved up the money til after X-mas and so I'm not sure whether there will still be 2013 options or whether I'll have to wait and see what the 2014 consists of (which may be more restrictive/limited I'm afraid).

Amazon has the TC-P50S60 for around $649 give or take and they offer 24 months same as cash and no tax for most. That's how I got mine before Christmas!
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Originally Posted by tocheeba View Post

ugh...TV went back in stock today at SAMS. I place another order, call them and ask why they cancelled my first one. They claim I ordered 2 TV's, and weren't sure if I wanted them, so they cancelled it. I never ordered 2 in the first place, so hopefully they will deliver this one as promised!

Keep watching your online order processing status to make sure it goes through and gets to shipped status. When I ordered mine, it stayed in processing status for 5 days including the weekend, so I called them to find out that it was halted by the fraud department because there was an extra space between my state and zip code in my shipping address which wasn't in my billing address. Who know how much longer it would have sat there before they got around to calling me if I hadn't called them first.
post #4227 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

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Originally Posted by DtroitPunk View Post

LOTS of buzz that Panasonic MAY be leaving the Plasma business but no one has committed solid info yet.

Actually it's been confirmed months ago. Panasonic will be getting out of the Plasma business. The 2014 lineup will be their last Plasmas.

Let's hope they concentrate on OLED and not backlit LCD.

A few months ago, on my local news channel, I watched a Consumer Reports video review about UHD (ultra high definition) TVs, and their remaining complaint was these still suffered from viewing angle. I didn't realize then there was a difference between OLED and 4K technology. I guess they were reviewing 4K sets and not OLED. Since then I've read a CR print article covering both technologies. Here is a CNET video from a couple of days ago talking about the technologies: http://cnettv.cnet.com/4k-oled-which-tv-right-you/9742-1_53-50154929.html?tag=nl.e435&s_cid=e435&ttag=e435&ftag=CADf00141e

Will OLED only be 1080p or will there be 4K OLED as well?
post #4228 of 6832
1080p OLED have started rolling out, 4k OLED will eventually come, just don't know exactly when and with a pricey tag.
post #4229 of 6832
Ha anybody played with their sound settings (Surround, AI sound, and volume leveler) with their sound played through an AVR? I bought a Denon AVR a few years ago mainly for the Audessey equalization to prevent commercials from blasting my hearing, but it lowers all sound so much that I have to keep the volume cranked up pretty high. This TV's AI sound feature seems like it would level the sound for me instead of using the AVR to do that, however, I suspect this is only when using the optical out instead of it equalizing sound passed through HDMI from a cable box. I suspect the same with the Surround sound and Volume Leveler features. Being an audiophile purist, I also don't think I'd want simulated surround sound instead of native stereo sound so probably wouldn't turn on the surround sound feature.
post #4230 of 6832
We have a 50" Panasonic plasma right now, and just bought a new house - which is why I wanted the S64 65". It was a tough decision, since I knew 4K is right around the corner from being somewhat cost efficient - but since a 60"+ 4K TV won't be affordable ($1500) for a good quality set for quite some time, I bit the bullet and got this TV. Sure, some low end 4K tvs may see those prices in 1-2 years, but they will be Vizio, TCL, etc. - all of which will look like garbage compared to this set. It'll be a LONG time before 60"+ OLED 4K tvs are in this price range and look good.

Only other thing scaring me right now is the possibility of a better 2014 set. Does anyone know when these are typically announced? I have a 90 day return policy through SAMS club, so if they announce a TV that looks a lot better (even the bezel - I know they cut R&D), then I may hold out.
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