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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Two sides of the coin make a forum productive and honest.

So please lets stop some major BS here - 1. Plasmas float blacks too 2. White on a plasma isn't white 3. LED's now do motion just as well or better 4. Colors are better and brighter on LED's and if Plasma can't win the color competition then why make an energy unfriendly Plasma? oh wait - they aren't Panny going outta the Plasma business.

1. I haven't seen this years models do any of this...

2. Yes they are according to video standards. D-Nice already lectured you on this before, LCD whites also fall short of the actual "lifelike" standard as well... they are simply super bright at the cost of the rest of the picture.

3. Wrong. There is less blurring but more digital-like, artificial motion to replace it. The more natural smoothness of picture still belongs to plasma.

4. Wrong. They might be equal to plasma but definitely not better (what is "better" in this case anyway? More accuracy? Also wrong...). I'll give you LED's can be brighter, but brighter doesn't equal better unless you're using it for 3D. Unless you actually live at Best Buy, I personally don't understand this obsession with images having to be brighter than a reasonable, comfortable viewable level in a typical household.
post #4742 of 6830
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Panny's are notorious for floating blacks - the ST50 aka CNETS best TV for the money 2012 is nearly unwatchable unless it's a blu ray movie. Otherwise blacks float like clouds.

Please show some actual data to confirm this before making such statements. Do you even own a ST50 (or any plasma for that matter)?
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Two sides of the coin make a forum productive and honest.

So please lets stop some major BS here - 1. Plasmas float blacks too 2. White on a plasma isn't white 3. LED's now do motion just as well or better 4. Colors are better and brighter on LED's and if Plasma can't win the color competition then why make an energy unfriendly Plasma? oh wait - they aren't Panny going outta the Plasma business.

Listen - I appreciate the beauty of a Plasma I do, however if your buy a Plasma for 1k or so , how many people really cough up cash to have it calibrated. Which btw is a complete ripoff. I do agree it's nice but to pay some guy 300 bucks for that is absurd.

no one here is perpetuating 'major BS'

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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

You really like to state your personal opinion as fact don't you.

exactly
post #4743 of 6830
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Originally Posted by vic_0002 View Post

1. I haven't seen this years models do any of this...

2. Yes they are according to video standards. D-Nice already lectured you on this before, LCD whites also fall short of the actual "lifelike" standard as well... they are simply super bright at the cost of the rest of the picture.

3. Wrong. There is less blurring but more digital-like, artificial motion to replace it. The more natural smoothness of picture still belongs to plasma.

4. Wrong. They might be equal to plasma but definitely not better (what is "better" in this case anyway? More accuracy? Also wrong...). I'll give you LED's can be brighter, but brighter doesn't equal better unless you're using it for 3D. Unless you actually live at Best Buy, I personally don't understand this obsession with images having to be brighter than a reasonable, comfortable viewable level in a typical household.

+1
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Two sides of the coin make a forum productive and honest.
They can. But unfortunately most of your posts are not productive or honest.
Edited by Bond 007 - 10/19/13 at 1:34pm
post #4745 of 6830
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Panny's are notorious for floating blacks - the ST50 aka CNETS best TV for the money 2012 is nearly unwatchable unless it's a blu ray movie. Otherwise blacks float like clouds.

Unwatchable ??? Give me a break. For someone that posts in the LCD / Plasma sections asking for help on advise on which is the best panel for you, you seem like you think you know everything already. People will tend to help you but with your childish uneducated knowledge of facts are what make people not wanting to help you.
post #4746 of 6830
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

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Poorly calibrated tvs. My panny s64 looks better than both of your examples.
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First off that is a flippin video game not a real broadcast so the comparison to what real ice looks like in a stadium ends there!

Secondly watching a real game or playing a video game that was that bright would give me a migraine.
post #4748 of 6830
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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

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Poorly calibrated tvs. My panny s64 looks better than both of your examples.

My S60 has much brighter whites than that 'plasma' pic (it's more like halfway between the two images). I also agree that using a hockey video game is not as useful as showing real hockey on HD cable/satellite.
post #4749 of 6830
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Originally Posted by vic_0002 View Post

1. I haven't seen this years models do any of this...

2. Yes they are according to video standards. D-Nice already lectured you on this before, LCD whites also fall short of the actual "lifelike" standard as well... they are simply super bright at the cost of the rest of the picture.

3. Wrong. There is less blurring but more digital-like, artificial motion to replace it. The more natural smoothness of picture still belongs to plasma.

4. Wrong. They might be equal to plasma but definitely not better (what is "better" in this case anyway? More accuracy? Also wrong...). I'll give you LED's can be brighter, but brighter doesn't equal better unless you're using it for 3D. Unless you actually live at Best Buy, I personally don't understand this obsession with images having to be brighter than a reasonable, comfortable viewable level in a typical household.

+2

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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I've seen reports on the F8500. Specifically, someone reported the 51" F8500 had floating blacks with high APL scenes, with black levels going up to 0.02 fL. The user Zoyd had similar findings for other E and F series Samsung Plasmas.


I've read comments by a few calibrators (including Robert Zohn of Value Electronics) who claim that there were no FB issues that they have seen as long as these sets are set properly. If you stick to the Cinema or THX modes you shouldn't experience floating blacks unless there is a calibration issue with the TV.


Ian
Edited by mailiang - 10/19/13 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post


The LCD image is washed out and looses all the detail including reflections of players and scoreboard and the NHL logo. These photos show the superiority of plasma technology.
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Panasonic P60S60 and Pioneer VSX- 523

Hi All, I am new to this  so please bare with me. I recently purchased the new Panasonic 60" plasma and am trying to connect it to my Pioneer receiver.  My Sat box is connected to the receiver using AV cables ( unfortunately no HDMI). The HDMI out from the receiver is attached to the HDMI of my TV.  All works fine. The problem occurs when i play something independently thru my tv such as from a USB or even netflick there is no sound playing thru my home theater system only thru the tv speakers. To which i realized that maybe i had to connect the audio out from the tv to the receiver which for this TV is thru optical cable. I got an RCA optical digital cable and connected the tv audio out to the optical in of my receiver. Switch the receiver to TV as the input and there is no sound. When i increase the volume using my tv remote it shows home theater and the volume on the receiver goes up but there is no sound. Am i missing anything . Please help it would be no fun to have a smart tv and a 5.1 jbl system if i cant make the most of it.

 
post #4752 of 6830
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Originally Posted by zams80 View Post

Panasonic P60S60 and Pioneer VSX- 523




Hi All, I am new to this  so please bare with me. I recently purchased the new Panasonic 60" plasma and am trying to connect it to my Pioneer receiver.  My Sat box is connected to the receiver using AV cables ( unfortunately no HDMI). The HDMI out from the receiver is attached to the HDMI of my TV.  All works fine. The problem occurs when i play something independently thru my tv such as from a USB or even netflick there is no sound playing thru my home theater system only thru the tv speakers. To which i realized that maybe i had to connect the audio out from the tv to the receiver which for this TV is thru optical cable. I got an RCA optical digital cable and connected the tv audio out to the optical in of my receiver. Switch the receiver to TV as the input and there is no sound. When i increase the volume using my tv remote it shows home theater and the volume on the receiver goes up but there is no sound. Am i missing anything . Please help it would be no fun to have a smart tv and a 5.1 jbl system if i cant make the most of it.

I dont have an optical cable to test this out with so I can't help you with that, but if your receiver supports an Audio Return Channel via HDMI then you can just pass it through that way, not extra cable needed. You can also get 5.1 audio out this way. You will need to use HDMI port 2 on the s60 to connect your receiver as it is the one that supports this channel.
post #4753 of 6830
Let's end this stupid picture debate. Look how white my plasma gets!.......

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iPad's chosen exposure just for those interested.

Notice how their jersey's are much "whiter" than the ice. The ice is not white.

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So, since Panasonic will be leaving the plasma biz, i guess that leaves the S60 + S64(unless there's additional lag, but i can't see this being true if there's just an additional anti glare filter) being thee' greatest plasma's to game on.
I'm pretty happy with my set, although i wish DVD's looked a tiny bit brighter and i would of loved to have the superior motion handeling of the ST60. :P Once you get into custom mode and belt back the High greens to 20-24(At '0' browns look pukish green) and raise the red hue to a less pinkish red, increase the default desaturated blues saturation and what have you, you're left with a really killer set. Still, it seems like my CRT aside from being brighter provides a bit of a punchier picture. I can get simular results if I raise the AGC(but then the picture looks unatural) and increase the Black extension to 4-5, but eh.


And to that LED fanboy above, i would convert to LED if the motion and black levels weren't so dissapointing. What good is 'HD" or even 480p when the motion contineusly smears the image WELL below 480, it's a complete and utter joke. I'd have to settle for 'impulse' mode regardless if it knocked down the brightness and what have you.
post #4756 of 6830
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

So, since Panasonic will be leaving the plasma biz, i guess that leaves the S60 + S64(unless there's additional lag, but i can't see this being true if there's just an additional anti glare filter) being thee' greatest plasma's to game on.
I'm pretty happy with my set, although i wish DVD's looked a tiny bit brighter and i would of loved to have the superior motion handeling of the ST60. :P Once you get into custom mode and belt back the High greens to 20-24(At '0' browns look pukish green) and raise the red hue to a less pinkish red, increase the default desaturated blues saturation and what have you, you're left with a really killer set. Still, it seems like my CRT aside from being brighter provides a bit of a punchier picture. I can get simular results if I raise the AGC(but then the picture looks unatural) and increase the Black extension to 4-5, but eh.


And to that LED fanboy above, i would convert to LED if the motion and black levels weren't so dissapointing. What good is 'HD" or even 480p when the motion contineusly smears the image WELL below 480, it's a complete and utter joke. I'd have to settle for 'impulse' mode regardless if it knocked down the brightness and what have you.

my set measures near perfect for color accuracy (grayscale and gamut) and this is with barely any changes to color/tint and the W/B high red and blue controls (see below)

--Picture menu
Picture mode: Cinema
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 0
Color: 47
Tint: +2

Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Warm 2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S.: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off

-- Pro settings submenu
Panel brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B detail adjustment menu:
W/B high R: 1
W/B high G: 0
W/B high B: -2
W/B low R: 0
W/B low G: 0
W/B low B: 0

Color detail adjustment menu:
Red hue: 0
Red Saturation: 0
Red luminance: 0
Green hue: 0
Green Saturation: 0
Green luminance: 0
Blue hue: 0
Blue Saturation: 0
Blue luminance: 0

Gamma detail adjustment menu:
Gamma: 2.4


--Advanced picture submenu
24p Direct in: 60Hz
3:2 pulldown: On [often grayed out depending on source]
1080p pixel direct: Off [often grayed out depending on source]
HDMI content type: [all Off]
HDMI/DVI RGB range: [all Standard (16-235)]
Black level: Light




post #4757 of 6830
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

+2
I've read comments by a few calibrators (including Robert Zohn of Value Electronics) who claim that there were no FB issues that they have seen as long as these sets are set properly. If you stick to the Cinema or THX modes you shouldn't experience floating blacks unless there is a calibration issue with the TV.


Ian

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1415546/patterns-to-measure-mll-as-a-function-of-apl#post_23383073

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/12420#post_23404076

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/9180#post_23836595

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/5430#post_23833252

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1469541/f8500-or-zt60/1650#post_23484870
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 10/20/13 at 10:03am
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Let me know if you find more links outside this forum or find anything on the 5300. I don't rely on just one source. Something I learned when studying statistics.biggrin.gif But I appreciate the info. Thanks.



Ian
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Let me know if you find more links outside this forum or find anything on the 5300. I don't rely on just one source. Something I learned when studying statistics.biggrin.gif But I appreciate the info. Thanks.



Ian

ok
post #4761 of 6830
Need help setting up optical audio to analog receiver
I'm trying to use the digital audio output to my analog receiver. I have Toslink optical cable connected to D-A audio converter and red/white cables to my receiver.
Doesn't seem to work. What menu setup changes are required for this.?
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Let me know if you find more links outside this forum or find anything on the 5300. I don't rely on just one source. Something I learned when studying statistics.biggrin.gif But I appreciate the info. Thanks.



Ian

The floating blacks have been prevalent on Samsung models for awhile now it is caused by the panel driving method, see the last link in my sig, no the F5300 isnt mentioned specifically but the data is there for the D, E and F series plasmas.
Edited by chunon - 10/21/13 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by foghorn2 View Post

No type of TV will ever fix that issue with Fox News. biggrin.gif

Wonder why its alright for you to make a crack like this but I and anyone else who talks about balance or opposing viewpoints from other sources gets their comments removed?

NONE of this has anything to do with the Panasonic Plasmas either..
post #4764 of 6830
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Originally Posted by zams80 View Post

Panasonic P60S60 and Pioneer VSX- 523




Hi All, I am new to this  so please bare with me. I recently purchased the new Panasonic 60" plasma and am trying to connect it to my Pioneer receiver.  My Sat box is connected to the receiver using AV cables ( unfortunately no HDMI). The HDMI out from the receiver is attached to the HDMI of my TV.  All works fine. The problem occurs when i play something independently thru my tv such as from a USB or even netflick there is no sound playing thru my home theater system only thru the tv speakers. To which i realized that maybe i had to connect the audio out from the tv to the receiver which for this TV is thru optical cable. I got an RCA optical digital cable and connected the tv audio out to the optical in of my receiver. Switch the receiver to TV as the input and there is no sound. When i increase the volume using my tv remote it shows home theater and the volume on the receiver goes up but there is no sound. Am i missing anything . Please help it would be no fun to have a smart tv and a 5.1 jbl system if i cant make the most of it.


 

You most likely have to go into the receiver setup menu, find the TV input, and tell it to look for the audio on the Optical input you connected yout TV to.
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move on please: posts may be deleted
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New S60 owner, I was wondering if I was correct that I should wait until I have about 300 hours on it before I do any detailed calibration. The set seems to be awfully dark and I suppose it's because within time it will get brighter and they are counter acting that effect. In the meantime I find myself messing with the picture controls trying to bring out the "pop" with no luck. Custom is the only preset that is remotely viewable. The others are so dark and subdued that it's questionable that I might have gotten a bum unit.
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Originally Posted by Pluvious View Post

New S60 owner, I was wondering if I was correct that I should wait until I have about 300 hours on it before I do any detailed calibration. The set seems to be awfully dark and I suppose it's because within time it will get brighter and they are counter acting that effect. In the meantime I find myself messing with the picture controls trying to bring out the "pop" with no luck. Custom is the only preset that is remotely viewable. The others are so dark and subdued that it's questionable that I might have gotten a bum unit.

Did you turn off CATS in the setup menu and in the Pro Settings menu?
post #4768 of 6830

HELLO ALL . This is my first post since I'm a new guy.

I pulled the trigger on a P65S60.

First off, thank you to everyone for helping to guide me to this purchase.

All the info posted here has been incredibly helpful. I was going to wait until I finished reading all the posts on this TV, but I'm only about half way thru after spending many hours of reading,

and I could use some helpful answers to a few questions right now.

 

1. What type of HDMI cables will I need to hook up my PS3 and Toshiba HD DVD player to the TV ? 

It used to be there was only one kind of HDMI several years ago. Now it seems there are 4 different kinds.

 

2. I would like to have a half way decent sound system. I currently have an old analog stereo system in the TV area. I know that the S60 only has optical audio output.

I was looking at converters, digital to rca jacks. But the research I have seen so far indicates that depending what format the audio tracks are recorded in, they might not play back.

I was also considering a sound-bar with a sub-woofer. Can I use the output on the back of the TV and run it into the sound-bar ?

I really don't want a complicated system whatever course I take. Good stereophonic sound with deep rumbling bass is all I require and quite adequate .

 

That's all I can think of, right now.

My P65S60 is scheduled for delivery on Halloween !

Hope it is ALL TREAT and NO TRICKS .

Thanks again .........................

post #4769 of 6830
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Originally Posted by Billbass1 View Post

1. What type of HDMI cables will I need to hook up my PS3 and Toshiba HD DVD player to the TV ? 
If you don't need HDMI cables over 15' then these will do just fine. "High Speed" is the only meaningful designation. Twenty eight AWG is the heaviest you need for the most common installation. You want your connections to be free of stress also.

Click here for a sample.
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Originally Posted by Billbass1 View Post

I was also considering a sound-bar with a sub-woofer. Can I use the output on the back of the TV and run it into the sound-bar ?
I really don't want a complicated system whatever course I take. Good stereophonic sound with deep rumbling bass is all I require and quite adequate .

That's what I"m running, and the soundbar serves as a receiver/switch of sorts in that it has 3 total HDMI inputs which turns the 2 HDMI inputs on the S60 into 4. (3 from soundbar + 1 extra one on the TV) Soundbar also can take the optical port on the TV and feed the soundbar audio from various sources (I have it giving OTA, Xbox360 through it's component RCA, and TV's built-in video apps...)

The CT-150 is the one I have, but the newer Sony bars which also have 3 hdmi inputs would probably be more potent, such as the Sony HT-CT660 albeit at more of a premium.
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