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post #481 of 6832
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Originally Posted by keyguy View Post

Maybe I'm just dumb, but when I click your link I see the tv available, but if I click the plasma TV link, I only see 2 tv's, not this one. And if I search by brand, the only Panasonics are LED tv's...

I think it's just the issue with them not assigning it categories yet for some reason, not really sure.
post #482 of 6832
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Originally Posted by bamaboy1234 View Post

S64 65" is showing in stock and able to buy on Sams club online as of this morning. $1448.

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/65-600hz-plasma-tv-1080p-2-hdmi-wifi/prod9300314.ip?sprodId=prod9300314

I was waiting on Costco, because I have a membership and i prefer their customer service, but can anyone with Sams membership tell me any perks they offer for buying a TV? Extended warranty? What is the return window?

Thanks.

Word from Costco in my area (Oregon) is that the S64 shows in their system with a price of 1399.00. Availability in the next two weeks or so.

Combined with a 5 year Square trade for 99, I think I will wait.

MD
post #483 of 6832
Can't go any bigger than 42" due to wall size. I tried price matching at Amazon with no luck. So I just placed an order from ABT! biggrin.gif
post #484 of 6832
The TC-65PS64 is such a smokin deal! What's holding me back? I just really want 3D... but don't want the higher ST input lag... /flustered

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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

Combined with a 5 year Square trade for 99, I think I will wait.

MD

How exactly does one get a 5 year Square Trade warranty for $99? I'm seeing $169.99 for a 4 year on squaretrade.com, and even with the frequent 30% off coupons, that puts you at $118.99 for 4 years...
post #485 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

Per your questions, on my ST30, I have up to three HDMI devices connected to the subwoofer, with one HDMI out (ARC compatible) to go to the TV. The only times I need to touch the remote for the soundbar are to 1) Change input or 2) Change soundfield (stereo, movie, game, etc. they're mostly arbitrary). It's not "truly" linked up with the TV, but on my Panasonic remote, pressing up/down on volume controls the soundbar through the TV (says home theater volume +/-).
OK, if it works it works, although I suppose it is possible that ST30 is different from S60.
I wish the volume control could set levels on the optical audio out, not just the built-in speakers. I like simplicity. I think I saw in online comments somewhere that the optical audio out on S60 is a fixed level signal.
post #486 of 6832
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

I also saw the rainbow effect very easily on the ST60 and hope that will be better on the S60. It was said by some that the U50 last year was free of it, while the higher-end sets all had it. Differences between U50/S60 and ST50/ST60 include the 2500 FFD drive, louvre filter, and (I think) AR coating, all of which are present in the ST's but absent from the U and S. Have you noticed rainbows on your S60? Killer samples include the opening credits of Alien, when the word "Alien" is slowly spelled out, and pretty much all of Sin City. I also saw it in white subtitles on a dark background in any number of shows. I found those green and yellow flashes very distracting, and I would see them by moving my focus or even just blinking.
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Plasma rainbows or "plainbows" is what I've heard it called, and the former is the term I used.
Someone else thinks this is describing phosphor trailing. I would think the two can occur together, but maybe I just can't tell them apart in certain scenarios. I would say "pure" phosphor trailing is what I observe in screen wipe, where the leading edge of the white rectangle is smeared blue, while the trailing edge is smeared yellow. If the RBE were also occurring, I'd see occasional random flashes of yellow/green/rainbow when I move my focus or blink. But I don't see that in screen wipe. However, it's all over the place in Sin City, the Alien opening credits, and various other content with similar characteristics. In any event, the S60 doesn't improve much on the ST60 in this area, which is a disappointment, but some say it subsides after a few hundred hours.

As someone who also sees the yellow flashes on Plasma displays, maybe I can offer some advice. Find a static image that causes the worst RBE for you. Put it on a USB thumb drive and take it to the store to test with all their sets. If you're like me, you will find that the age of the set doesn't make much difference. Higher contrast settings make it more noticeable but with similar settings it's about the same on all the recent Panasonic models. I also see it about the same on LG models. The good news is that Samsung models (at least the ones from 2011) displayed much less severe yellow flashes for me. Have not tested any of the newer Samsung models to see if they continue to show less RBE than Panasonic. Good luck and please report your findings if you test other panels for RBE.
post #487 of 6832
So in effect, the S64 is an S60 with a louver filter? Wouldn't that make the S64 pretty much an ST60 (minus 3D)?
post #488 of 6832
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Originally Posted by vic_0002 View Post

So in effect, the S64 is an S60 with a louver filter? Wouldn't that make the S64 pretty much an ST60 (minus 3D)?

It's missing a few more things more than just the 3D, I'm on my phone, but it was discussed a few pages up.

Whether any of those matter to you is a different story.
post #489 of 6832
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Originally Posted by bamaboy1234 View Post

It's missing a few more things more than just the 3D, I'm on my phone, but it was discussed a few pages up.

Whether any of those matter to you is a different story.

Thanks... must've missed it, I'll look it up.
post #490 of 6832
Just ordered s64 65" from Sams. Delivery date is April 16-24. Ready to kick my DLP to the curb!
post #491 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

The TC-65PS64 is such a smokin deal! What's holding me back? I just really want 3D... but don't want the higher ST input lag... /flustered
How exactly does one get a 5 year Square Trade warranty for $99? I'm seeing $169.99 for a 4 year on squaretrade.com, and even with the frequent 30% off coupons, that puts you at $118.99 for 4 years...

Try Costco.
post #492 of 6832
the sam's club s64 link states it has 1 hdmi input? has to be mistake right? eek.gif
post #493 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

OK, if it works it works, although I suppose it is possible that ST30 is different from S60.
I wish the volume control could set levels on the optical audio out, not just the built-in speakers. I like simplicity. I think I saw in online comments somewhere that the optical audio out on S60 is a fixed level signal.
Doubtful, both the ST30 and S60 both have an ARC-compatible HDMI input. A shame on the optical audio out, for those who use it.

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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

It does not hurt to support the competition, to keep Amazon from ending up as the only online place to go to, because if they ever do reach that status, they will then have us at their mercy.

Good luck with your new set. Keep us updated on how you like its performance, and how your shopping experience with Abt turned out.
You know, I am/was this close to ordering from Abt (killer price on the 60S60), but when I found out about their return policy (with return shipping around $300 for the size of my TV) I'm pretty hesitant in case it either gets damaged in shipment or the PQ isn't up to expectations. A real shame Amazon won't price match them, though.
post #494 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MarkAELSU View Post

the sam's club s64 link states it has 1 hdmi input? has to be mistake right? eek.gif

Yes, it's a mistake. It has two.
post #495 of 6832
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Originally Posted by zzzed View Post

Just ordered s64 65" from Sams. Delivery date is April 16-24. Ready to kick my DLP to the curb!

Please keep us informed. Highly considering doing the same.
post #496 of 6832
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Originally Posted by zzzed View Post

Just ordered s64 65" from Sams. Delivery date is April 16-24. Ready to kick my DLP to the curb!

If you could post your impressions and do an input lag test many on this board would be very grateful!

Also please let us know if it has a Game Mode!
post #497 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

As someone who also sees the yellow flashes on Plasma displays, maybe I can offer some advice. Find a static image that causes the worst RBE for you. Put it on a USB thumb drive and take it to the store to test with all their sets. If you're like me, you will find that the age of the set doesn't make much difference. Higher contrast settings make it more noticeable but with similar settings it's about the same on all the recent Panasonic models. I also see it about the same on LG models. The good news is that Samsung models (at least the ones from 2011) displayed much less severe yellow flashes for me. Have not tested any of the newer Samsung models to see if they continue to show less RBE than Panasonic. Good luck and please report your findings if you test other panels for RBE.

That's a good idea, and I may give it a try in a couple of days, though the local Best Buys like to put plasmas high on the wall. I'd need to find both Panasonic and Samsung mounted on the bottom row, Panasonic so I can verify I see it in the showroom. I've found that changing TV settings doesn't make much difference, so at least I won't need to fool with that.
post #498 of 6832
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

Can't go any bigger than 42" due to wall size. I tried price matching at Amazon with no luck. So I just placed an order from ABT! biggrin.gif
I bought a 50" Panny plasma from Abt five years ago, no problems. I helped the delivery guy get the TV in the house since they only sent one person.
post #499 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

How exactly does one get a 5 year Square Trade warranty for $99? I'm seeing $169.99 for a 4 year on squaretrade.com, and even with the frequent 30% off coupons, that puts you at $118.99 for 4 years...

It is the version you can buy direct from Costco. It has 2 years of manufacturer/Costco coverage followed by 3 years of SquareTrade. $99 for any TV over $1000.

Makes the 65S64 a pretty tough bargain to skip on for me. I buy a TV about every 5 years or so, kinda perfect for my situation.

MD
post #500 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

It is the version you can buy direct from Costco. It has 2 years of manufacturer/Costco coverage followed by 3 years of SquareTrade. $99 for any TV over $1000.

Makes the 65S64 a pretty tough bargain to skip on for me. I buy a TV about every 5 years or so, kinda perfect for my situation.

MD

Interesting. I don't know anything about Costco, never been to one, so will I have to pay more for being a non-member, or do I have to become a member, or what? $99 for 5 years is totally worth it IMO.

Is the Costco version the exact same as the Sams Club version? And lastly, has there been any published thorough S60 reviews? And tested S60 vs ST60 comparisons (besides comments on CNET)??
post #501 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Interesting. I don't know anything about Costco, never been to one, so will I have to pay more for being a non-member, or do I have to become a member, or what? $99 for 5 years is totally worth it IMO.

Is the Costco version the exact same as the Sams Club version? And lastly, has there been any published thorough S60 reviews? And tested S60 vs ST60 comparisons (besides comments on CNET)??

Not sure on the review front. Other than cnet teases, nothing I have seen yet.

The S64 is the same regardless of Sam's or Costco.

Costco does require membership. Do you have any friends or family with a membership? I don't know if they do day passes. The annual starts at $55. So even if you have to sign up for a year it would still be cheaper than Sam's and a SquareTrade direct.

MD
post #502 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Infinite Black Pro filter refers to the black filter that's bonded on the face of the plasma panel itself and helps determine black levels - it has virtually no bearing on reflections or glare.All Plasma TVs have a black filter whether they have an AR Louver Filter or not.

Re: S64 vs S60

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-65PS64
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65S60

So since the S64 has the "Infinite Black" logo on the website, and the S60 does not, could we assume it will deliver deeper blacks?

Also see:
http://answers.shop.panasonic.com/answers/9203/product/TC-65PS64_support/questions.htm

Question from customer: Still trying to decipher if s64 has infinite pro panel, and the s60 does not. According to Panasonic website this appears to be the case?

Answer from Panasonic: The PS64 series has the Infinite Black panel where as the S60 series does not. -MM
post #503 of 6832
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

That's a good idea, and I may give it a try in a couple of days, though the local Best Buys like to put plasmas high on the wall. I'd need to find both Panasonic and Samsung mounted on the bottom row, Panasonic so I can verify I see it in the showroom. I've found that changing TV settings doesn't make much difference, so at least I won't need to fool with that.

Most newer TV's will even play video's from USB drives so if you have a larger thumb drive, take some video samples along. I have a 32GB flash drive that I always take with me when going to an electronics store to look at TVs. It has various clips from TV shows, movies, sports, games, etc. that I use to evaluate TVs. Much more useful than the random store demo loop. Another tip - don't give up if you can't find a remote. Most TVs can be operated from the buttons on the TV itself although it's a bit more complicated. Good luck.
post #504 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Interesting. I don't know anything about Costco, never been to one, so will I have to pay more for being a non-member, or do I have to become a member, or what? $99 for 5 years is totally worth it IMO.

Is the Costco version the exact same as the Sams Club version? And lastly, has there been any published thorough S60 reviews? And tested S60 vs ST60 comparisons (besides comments on CNET)??
Lee over at televisioninfo.com reviewed the S60 back in March, click here. I've been in contact with the reviewer himself via email. Their office just got in the ST60 and will be reviewing it next week. As an added bonus, he will write about the ST60's lag in the review, as well as possibly writing a separate article comparing the lag between both sets. I've asked to make sure he's pretty thorough.

Based on the calibrated settings they ended up with, it looks like a winner for dark/dim rooms, at least as good as my calibrated ST30 (comparing the values from their archived ST30 review). Not too shabby. wink.gif I also went in to BB to compare how the set does with 24p content compared to some other TVs. With the pulldown activated, the S60 was smooth as butter, whereas you could easily notice the doubled and skipped frames on surrounding TVs.
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Re: S64 vs S60

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-65PS64
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65S60

So since the S64 has the "Infinite Black" logo on the website, and the S60 does not, could we assume it will deliver deeper blacks?

Also see:
http://answers.shop.panasonic.com/answers/9203/product/TC-65PS64_support/questions.htm

Question from customer: Still trying to decipher if s64 has infinite pro panel, and the s60 does not. According to Panasonic website this appears to be the case?

Answer from Panasonic: The PS64 series has the Infinite Black panel where as the S60 series does not. -MM
Well that's interesting, then. I just wonder how that will affect the vertical viewing angle compared to an S60. If the ST60 is any indication, it won't be too good. That said, as long as the TV is viewed at normal height, it would be a non-issue.
post #505 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

The TC-65PS64 is such a smokin deal! What's holding me back? I just really want 3D... but don't want the higher ST input lag... /flustered
How exactly does one get a 5 year Square Trade warranty for $99? I'm seeing $169.99 for a 4 year on squaretrade.com, and even with the frequent 30% off coupons, that puts you at $118.99 for 4 years...

Email Panny about your concerns of the ST60 lag. The more voices, the better.
post #506 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Re: S64 vs S60

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-65PS64
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65S60

So since the S64 has the "Infinite Black" logo on the website, and the S60 does not, could we assume it will deliver deeper blacks?

Also see:
http://answers.shop.panasonic.com/answers/9203/product/TC-65PS64_support/questions.htm

Question from customer: Still trying to decipher if s64 has infinite pro panel, and the s60 does not. According to Panasonic website this appears to be the case?

Answer from Panasonic: The PS64 series has the Infinite Black panel where as the S60 series does not. -MM

It appears both the S60 and S64 have AR filters (I thought the S60 did not).

Also says the S64 is a derivative model... though I'm not exactly clear which model it's a derivative of.
post #507 of 6832
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Originally Posted by vic_0002 View Post

It appears both the S60 and S64 have AR filters (I thought the S60 did not).

Also says the S64 is a derivative model... though I'm not exactly clear which model it's a derivative of.

I think that was a typo on his part. If you view the specs of each model, the S64 is listed as using a "Louvre" filter, while the S60 is listed as " - ". It was also confirmed on HDJ that the difference between S60 and S64 is that the S64 uses the AR filter from ST60.

Some were looking at it as an ST60 without 3D, but it is still missing a few features from the ST. It is really just an S60 with the AR Filter added.
post #508 of 6832
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Originally Posted by vic_0002 View Post

It appears both the S60 and S64 have AR filters (I thought the S60 did not).

Also says the S64 is a derivative model... though I'm not exactly clear which model it's a derivative of.

The S60 does NOT have an AR filter. The ST60 does have an AR filter, as does the S64.

S64 is a derivative of... well... I would guess the S60. My understanding is that it's more or less an S60 with the ST60's AR filter.

But the "Infinite Black" logo on the S64 has me thrown for a bit of a loop, as RandyWalters claims it has nothing to do with the AR filter, and it solely has to do with the panel and black levels.
Edited by moshock - 4/14/13 at 9:13am
post #509 of 6832
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Re: S64 vs S60

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-65PS64
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65S60

So since the S64 has the "Infinite Black" logo on the website, and the S60 does not, could we assume it will deliver deeper blacks?

Also see:
http://answers.shop.panasonic.com/answers/9203/product/TC-65PS64_support/questions.htm

Question from customer: Still trying to decipher if s64 has infinite pro panel, and the s60 does not. According to Panasonic website this appears to be the case?

Answer from Panasonic: The PS64 series has the Infinite Black panel where as the S60 series does not. -MM
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Originally Posted by vic_0002 View Post

It appears both the S60 and S64 have AR filters (I thought the S60 did not).

Also says the S64 is a derivative model... though I'm not exactly clear which model it's a derivative of.

The answers Panasonic is posting on that Q&A page are wrong which is typical. It seems to happen every year on spec sheets, web pages, and press releases; sometimes a feature or spec is completely omitted on a spec sheet or web page when it is in fact present on the actual TV. Whomever is answering the questions there is confusing the Infinite Black Filter with the Anti-Reflective Louver Filter; they're talking about the wrong filter.

Both the S60 and S64 have the same Infinite Black panel, and the term "Infinite Black" refers to the black filter that's bonded onto the face of the plasma panel itself and helps determine black levels - it has virtually no bearing on reflections or glare. All Plasma TVs have some sort of black filter on the panel whether they have an Anti-Reflective Louver Filter or not. This black filter is completely separate from the AR Filter but the two seem to get mixed up a lot.

The S64 is simply an S60 but with an Anti-Reflective/Louver Filter added so the TV presents itself better under the harsh warehouse lighting in Costco and Sams Club, and is the same AR Filter that's used on the ST60. The S60 however does not have this AR Filter at all. Both the S60 and S64 have the same Infinite Black panel filter.



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Edited by RandyWalters - 4/14/13 at 9:21am
post #510 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post


The answers Panasonic is posting on that Q&A page are wrong which is typical. It seems to happen every year on spec sheets, web pages, and press releases; sometimes a feature or spec is completely omitted on a spec sheet or web page when it is in fact present on the actual TV. Whomever is answering the questions there is confusing the Infinite Black Filter with the Anti-Reflective Louver Filter; they're talking about the wrong filter.

Both the S60 and S64 have the same Infinite Black Pro panel, and the term "Infinite Black Pro" refers to the black filter that's bonded onto the face of the plasma panel itself and helps determine black levels - it has virtually no bearing on reflections or glare. All Plasma TVs have some sort of black filter on the panel whether they have an Anti-Reflective Louver Filter or not. This black filter is completely separate from the AR Filter but the two seem to get mixed up a lot.

The S64 is simply an S60 but with an Anti-Reflective/Louver Filter added so the TV presents itself better under the harsh warehouse lighting in Costco and Sams Club, and is the same AR Filter that's used on the ST60. The S60 however does not have this AR Filter at all.

While I think you are correct, I'm still curious as to why the S64 would have a Game Mode. It makes me wonder if there is more to the S64 than just an AR filter. Or if it's just another typo, and it really doesn't have a Game Mode, lol.
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