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post #4921 of 6818
still messing around with Black extension & the AGC. I don't know, the picture looks a little dark, dim and flat compared to what i'm used to. Belting the AGC up to 5-7 and BE to 5 is a noticeable improvement but there's something a little off based on how the picture looks in regards to shadows and skin.
Right now i have them both set to OFF and Panel Bright set to HIGH for now. :P
post #4922 of 6818
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

What's with these line bleed issues? Never had that problem with my 2010 model either, nor do I have judder issues displaying 1080p/24 content. Deeper blacks, and higher contrast levels of the S60 has impressed me, but these anomalies, along with lower panel brightness, may not be worth the trade off.


Ian

I've reached the point where the line bleed is just too much to handle. I honestly don't consider myself super picky or a videophile, but I really think the flaws on this set are too much to look past. What I really don't understand how I didn't see any of the set's major issues mentioned in reviews. The set's getting returned due to:
  • Red/green/blue static in various shades of black (dithering?) easily visible at normal viewing distances.
  • Severe line bleed that presents in normal content regularly.
  • Banding, banding everywhere.
  • Buzzing audible from viewing distance. Not horrible like the UT50s I had, though.

After the two UT50s and then this TV, I think I'm out of the plasma game. Which is a damn shame, because it looks like if I want respectable picture quality from an LED panel, I'm looking at $2000+ for a 55" display. I think a 55" is going to look TINY after having adjusted to the 65" panel.

I know this is the wrong thread, but does anyone have any recommendations for 55" and larger around $2,000 for LED TVs? Right now I'm looking at the Sony W900A.
post #4923 of 6818
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I've reached the point where the line bleed is just too much to handle. I honestly don't consider myself super picky or a videophile, but I really think the flaws on this set are too much to look past. What I really don't understand how I didn't see any of the set's major issues mentioned in reviews. The set's getting returned due to:
  • Red/green/blue static in various shades of black (dithering?) easily visible at normal viewing distances.
  • Severe line bleed that presents in normal content regularly.
  • Banding, banding everywhere.
  • Buzzing audible from viewing distance. Not horrible like the UT50s I had, though.

After the two UT50s and then this TV, I think I'm out of the plasma game. Which is a damn shame, because it looks like if I want respectable picture quality from an LED panel, I'm looking at $2000+ for a 55" display. I think a 55" is going to look TINY after having adjusted to the 65" panel.

I know this is the wrong thread, but does anyone have any recommendations for 55" and larger around $2,000 for LED TVs? Right now I'm looking at the Sony W900A.

Honestly, seeing as I have owned a s60 for 5 months now, you are either exceedingly picky, have really bad settings on the set, or have a defective set.

On top of that, personally, I find the DSE, terrible blacks, and back light bleed 1000x more irritating than any fault this set has. But that's me.
post #4924 of 6818
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

Honestly, seeing as I have owned a s60 for 5 months now, you are either exceedingly picky, have really bad settings on the set, or have a defective set.

On top of that, personally, I find the DSE, terrible blacks, and back light bleed 1000x more irritating than any fault this set has. But that's me.

I honestly don't think I'm that picky. I've never ventured into the realm of professional calibration or anything like that. As for the settings on the TV, I'm using the home theater settings I think. I played with fairchild's settings and didn't particularly care for them.

As for the set being defective, I don't think so. I owned two UT50s before this set, and both had pretty bad line bleed. Though, this set seems to be noticeably worse in that department. I'd considered attempting to have Panasonic send a tech out, but I imagine I'll get a "oh, this is within spec" style response from them, and I've heard bad stuff about their support. Figure I might as well just pack it up.

As for the flaws of LED LCD - I've been a huge plasma fan for ages and have always been quick to hate on LCDs. I'm really hoping the higher end LCD sets are good enough and have strict enough quality control to be tolerable for me.
post #4925 of 6818
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I've reached the point where the line bleed is just too much to handle. I honestly don't consider myself super picky or a videophile, but I really think the flaws on this set are too much to look past. What I really don't understand how I didn't see any of the set's major issues mentioned in reviews. The set's getting returned due to:
  • Red/green/blue static in various shades of black (dithering?) easily visible at normal viewing distances.
  • Severe line bleed that presents in normal content regularly.
  • Banding, banding everywhere.
  • Buzzing audible from viewing distance. Not horrible like the UT50s I had, though.

After the two UT50s and then this TV, I think I'm out of the plasma game. Which is a damn shame, because it looks like if I want respectable picture quality from an LED panel, I'm looking at $2000+ for a 55" display. I think a 55" is going to look TINY after having adjusted to the 65" panel.

I know this is the wrong thread, but does anyone have any recommendations for 55" and larger around $2,000 for LED TVs? Right now I'm looking at the Sony W900A.

I considered that set before getting my ST60, it is very nice for an LED. Other than the Sony the higher end Ssmsungs F8000 or F7100 thats about all I would consider at that price point, Its a shame the S60 didnt work out for you, some of that can be cured with a good calibration but some are more senstive to dithering etc.

What about a Samsung Plasma ? Just hate to see someone jump over to an Led smile.gif
post #4926 of 6818
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I honestly don't think I'm that picky. I've never ventured into the realm of professional calibration or anything like that. As for the settings on the TV, I'm using the home theater settings I think. I played with fairchild's settings and didn't particularly care for them.

As for the set being defective, I don't think so. I owned two UT50s before this set, and both had pretty bad line bleed. Though, this set seems to be noticeably worse in that department. I'd considered attempting to have Panasonic send a tech out, but I imagine I'll get a "oh, this is within spec" style response from them, and I've heard bad stuff about their support. Figure I might as well just pack it up.

As for the flaws of LED LCD - I've been a huge plasma fan for ages and have always been quick to hate on LCDs. I'm really hoping the higher end LCD sets are good enough and have strict enough quality control to be tolerable for me.

Good luck, I hope you can find something that better suits your needs.
post #4927 of 6818
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I've reached the point where the line bleed is just too much to handle. I honestly don't consider myself super picky or a videophile, but I really think the flaws on this set are too much to look past. What I really don't understand how I didn't see any of the set's major issues mentioned in reviews. The set's getting returned due to:
  • Red/green/blue static in various shades of black (dithering?) easily visible at normal viewing distances.
  • Severe line bleed that presents in normal content regularly.
  • Banding, banding everywhere.
  • Buzzing audible from viewing distance. Not horrible like the UT50s I had, though.

After the two UT50s and then this TV, I think I'm out of the plasma game. Which is a damn shame, because it looks like if I want respectable picture quality from an LED panel, I'm looking at $2000+ for a 55" display. I think a 55" is going to look TINY after having adjusted to the 65" panel.

I know this is the wrong thread, but does anyone have any recommendations for 55" and larger around $2,000 for LED TVs? Right now I'm looking at the Sony W900A.

You must have a bad set with all those problems and should return it, but if you're willing to spend that much on a TV, you should check out an ST60 and it will have superior PQ. The only issues above which have been confirmed with the S60 are line bleed and banding, but not noticeable to most people. Also I assume you have set your settings to Cinema or Custom and not Standard? The Standard PQ is so poor I don't even know why Panasonic defaults to that mode.
post #4928 of 6818
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Originally Posted by atadurr View Post
Hey guys, I just did an input lag test on the s60 with my laptop. It ranges anywhere from 0ms to 44ms so i'm guessing it's around 22ms of lag. In one pic the s60 was ahead of the laptop. I don't know how accurate these tests are, so any advice is welcome. I also noticed that when I stopped the stop watch both screens were identical all the time. Check out the pics and let me know what you think.lh8uQf

Good on you, Mike (kudos on doing multiple tests and averaging them). However, there's two things in this test that would help make it even more accurate. Cameras use a rolling shutter, rather than a global shutter, so having the laptop at the bottom of the frame, and the TV in the upper will skew the results. Try putting the laptop higher when doing the test so that the timers are, literally, on the same level. Second, Try using a faster shutter speed, preferably 1/60 or 1/120, so you can better freeze the motion. At 1/30 like you are at now, it's often recording two different numbers. Someone else on here (not sure which thread) tried using a better method that shows a frame moving around a grid. Easier to gauge input lag than looking at numbers. I think Moonchilde knows what it is.


Edited by Arowalnayv - 10/31/13 at 10:08am
post #4929 of 6818
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

You must have a bad set with all those problems and should return it, but if you're willing to spend that much on a TV, you should check out an ST60 and it will have superior PQ. The only issues above which have been confirmed with the S60 are line bleed and banding, but not noticeable to most people. Also I assume you have set your settings to Cinema or Custom and not Standard? The Standard PQ is so poor I don't even know why Panasonic defaults to that mode.

It's possible I have a bad set (the static/dithering wasn't an issue initially), but I don't think the line bleed will get any better with a new set given my experience with two UT50s also having bad line bleed. Unfortunately returning the set for the same model isn't possible since it's the now discontinued S64. The S60 wouldn't fly in my apartment since it's lacking the glare filter and I have three humongous 4x12' windows.

My settings are set to home theater and I have played with them a bit, including trying fairchild's settings. The reason for the standard PQ mode, which I agree is utterly useless, is strictly for energy star ratings. You know those suspiciously low power cost stickers on the TV? Testing is done with the TV on default settings. So by shipping the TVs in standard mode, Panasonic can claim the unit has half the power consumption than will actually be observed by most customers. Energy costs aren't an issue for me, but it really is cheating.

I'd be willing to give the ST60 a shot, but I also do a good deal of gaming and the ST60 has absolutely massive input lag, unfortunately. One of the big factors for me on the S64 was its two frame input lag, roughly 32ms or so. So what I need is a low lag TV without noticeable line bleed or banding, and it looks like that doesn't exist in current plasmas, unfortunately.
post #4930 of 6818
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

You must have a bad set with all those problems and should return it, but if you're willing to spend that much on a TV, you should check out an ST60 and it will have superior PQ. The only issues above which have been confirmed with the S60 are line bleed and banding, but not noticeable to most people. Also I assume you have set your settings to Cinema or Custom and not Standard? The Standard PQ is so poor I don't even know why Panasonic defaults to that mode.

It's possible I have a bad set (the static/dithering wasn't an issue initially), but I don't think the line bleed will get any better with a new set given my experience with two UT50s also having bad line bleed. Unfortunately returning the set for the same model isn't possible since it's the now discontinued S64. The S60 wouldn't fly in my apartment since it's lacking the glare filter and I have three humongous 4x12' windows.

My settings are set to home theater and I have played with them a bit, including trying fairchild's settings. The reason for the standard PQ mode, which I agree is utterly useless, is strictly for energy star ratings. You know those suspiciously low power cost stickers on the TV? Testing is done with the TV on default settings. So by shipping the TVs in standard mode, Panasonic can claim the unit has half the power consumption than will actually be observed by most customers. Energy costs aren't an issue for me, but it really is cheating.

I'd be willing to give the ST60 a shot, but I also do a good deal of gaming and the ST60 has absolutely massive input lag, unfortunately. One of the big factors for me on the S64 was its two frame input lag, roughly 32ms or so. So what I need is a low lag TV without noticeable line bleed or banding, and it looks like that doesn't exist in current plasmas, unfortunately.

Try Cinema mode. I found HT mode to be about 1/2 way between Standard and Cinema modes in terms of PQ. Dithering was noticeable in Standard and also, IIRC, in HT mode.
post #4931 of 6818

Hey guys, I'm in the process of selling my Vizio e601i-a3 television, and considering getting a plasma. specifically, the s60 because of its lower input lag compared to the st60. I guess i have a couple questions. What can I expect ( besides less bright ) switching from an LED to a plasma? if anyone has any experience with the e601 ( or any E series model ) and the s60, how do they compare? im mainly buying it for gaming. as im a heavy gamer and the next gen of consoles and better graphics are nearly here. so im preparing by hopefully purchasing an even greater television. my next question is, how does the blur on this cimpare to an LCD with a 120 hz refresh rate? i understand they are 2 completely different technologies but i keep reading differing articles about plasmas and their blur. though idk how old the articles were at the time of writing. i want as great a picture as possible, with as little blur as possible. my area is dimly lit so no issues there. anyways, thoughts for a potential buyer? this thread seems to be filled with negative things about this television

 

 

Edit: im also reading the review from CNet. which says that this television has difficultys with 1080p videos at 24 FPS? isnt that a major flaw then? since most things are filmed that way?


Edited by Kevinallen - 10/31/13 at 12:45pm
post #4932 of 6818
I see a lot of people have color set to '46' or 47 in Custom mode, is this to compensate for the red push? I've currently got it set to 46.
As for panel brightness, does setting it to 'High' make blacks slightly greyer or am i just seeing things?
Edited by WaveBoy - 10/31/13 at 9:17pm
post #4933 of 6818
Kevin,
Why are you selling the Vizio?
post #4934 of 6818
Can anyone tell me if the Wi-Fi adapter is removable at all?

I ask because I see a refub at a really nice price but they mention the Wi-Fi adapter is not included (though in the specs it mentions built in Wi-Fi).. seems like it would be internal/pretty hard to remove?
post #4935 of 6818
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

Can anyone tell me if the Wi-Fi adapter is removable at all?

I ask because I see a refub at a really nice price but they mention the Wi-Fi adapter is not included (though in the specs it mentions built in Wi-Fi).. seems like it would be internal/pretty hard to remove?
I think the person selling it is mistaken. It is internal.
post #4936 of 6818
My two days old 65S64 just rebooted itself while watching a movie. The power light went out for few seconds then the TV came back on with a message about recovering from an error. Has this happened to anyone?
post #4937 of 6818
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I think the person selling it is mistaken. It is internal.

Actually I believe it is removable. If I remember it is located on the bottom left edge of the set if you are looking at the back of the television. I think it is just held in by a screw or two.
post #4938 of 6818
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Originally Posted by farfromuman View Post

My two days old 65S64 just rebooted itself while watching a movie. The power light went out for few seconds then the TV came back on with a message about recovering from an error. Has this happened to anyone?

Nope, exchange it while you can.
post #4939 of 6818
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Originally Posted by Kevinallen View Post

Hey guys, I'm in the process of selling my Vizio e601i-a3 television, and considering getting a plasma. specifically, the s60 because of its lower input lag compared to the st60. I guess i have a couple questions. What can I expect ( besides less bright ) switching from an LED to a plasma? if anyone has any experience with the e601 ( or any E series model ) and the s60, how do they compare? im mainly buying it for gaming. as im a heavy gamer and the next gen of consoles and better graphics are nearly here. so im preparing by hopefully purchasing an even greater television. my next question is, how does the blur on this cimpare to an LCD with a 120 hz refresh rate? i understand they are 2 completely different technologies but i keep reading differing articles about plasmas and their blur. though idk how old the articles were at the time of writing. i want as great a picture as possible, with as little blur as possible. my area is dimly lit so no issues there. anyways, thoughts for a potential buyer? this thread seems to be filled with negative things about this television


Edit: im also reading the review from CNet. which says that this television has difficulty with 1080p videos at 24 FPS? isnt that a major flaw then? since most things are filmed that way?

So I've got that same Vizio in 60" and was considering selling it for the s60. I got a GREAT deal on the Vizio on craigslist, so that's why I bought it. My friend just bough the S60 is a 65 inch, so I've seen both quite a bit.

Honestly I'm still torn on what to do, the Vizio has great color, decent blacks if you sit right in front, and NO REFLECTIONS at all. BUT the motion in certain games (not all) bugs me. GTAV when things pan over it gets a bit blurry. BIt.trip runner is almost unplayable.

The s60 clearly had better blacks and much better off angle viewing, and from what I could tell motion was better, but not perfect. Color was good, but he didn't go crazy with calibration. What kills me though the is glass screen. I'm too nit-picky about reflections, and I like to play a lot during the day. Even in my buddy's house (which is somewhat light controlled) I could see reflections watching football. I can only imagine a dark movie.

WHY WHY WHY can't someone put out just a "dumb" basic plasma with a matte-like screen like the Samsung 8500?
post #4940 of 6818
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

Just ordered a 60S60 for our bedroom! This will replace my Toshiba 50" plasma that died, and was going to cost $650 to repair. Looking forward to the larger real estate and better picture than a 6 year old Toshiba.

OK, I got the TV set up last night and, so far, I'm not real satisfied with the picture, in that it seems sort of dim. Yes, I turned off CATS right away. I've tried all the picture modes and I can't get a picture that matches the Toshiba 50HP66 plasma that died. The Toshiba was able to produce a bright, punchy image, while not blowing out whites.

The problem with the Panny is that the only mode that approaches the image I had with the Toshiba is the Vivid mode, but then whites and people's faces are blown out. It also turns out that in Vivid mode, Advanced Picture is disabled, so I can't turn down Panel Brightness. The best picture I've found so far is in Custom mode, with Contrast turned up to 100% and Panel Brightness set to Low, which mostly eliminates the blown out whites and faces.

Also, what about the Gamma setting, which is default at 2.4? Should I change that? Any other ideas for getting a "punchier" picture without blowing out the whites? Thanks much.
post #4941 of 6818
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

OK, I got the TV set up last night and, so far, I'm not real satisfied with the picture, in that it seems sort of dim. Yes, I turned off CATS right away. I've tried all the picture modes and I can't get a picture that matches the Toshiba 50HP66 plasma that died. The Toshiba was able to produce a bright, punchy image, while not blowing out whites.

The problem with the Panny is that the only mode that approaches the image I had with the Toshiba is the Vivid mode, but then whites and people's faces are blown out. It also turns out that in Vivid mode, Advanced Picture is disabled, so I can't turn down Panel Brightness. The best picture I've found so far is in Custom mode, with Contrast turned up to 100% and Panel Brightness set to Low, which mostly eliminates the blown out whites and faces.

Also, what about the Gamma setting, which is default at 2.4? Should I change that? Any other ideas for getting a "punchier" picture without blowing out the whites? Thanks much.

I set up an S60 and S64 by eye in the cinema mode (which offers the most accurate picture) at 90% contrast and with the panel brightness set to low they still look pretty bright, even under the florescent lights of Costco and Best Buy. With the S64's panel brightness set to mid, I was even able to match it to the brightness of a Panasonic E64, with it's backlight set to 50%, which is usually the setting recommended for most LCD's. Gamma should be at 2.2, which I believe is the default setting in that mode. All optional picture processing, turned off. The picture isn't as bright as my 2010 Panny, but under normal lighting conditions it shouldn't be an issue if the set is calibrated right. I always recommend a good set up disc like the ones offered by Disney Wow and Spears and Muncel.


Ian
post #4942 of 6818
I went to Costco last night and paid for the last 50" S64 they had in the area. I'm supposed to pick it up, but having some second thoughts. I came across a deal thread where BJ's has a Sammy F5350 60" for only 100 bucks more. That's a lot bigger for a little dough, so now I need to make a decision and of course that means nit-picking the details. So therefore some questions.

-Does the S64 have the extended grayscale and gamma controls of the ST60? I saw someone mention this, but others are saying the AR filter is the only difference.

-The Sammy is said to be a mirror. Was it ever firmly established that the S64 AR filter is as effective as the ST60? I thought the wording between the two filters was slightly different, but that may have just had to do with the blacks?

-The Sammy has Cinema Smooth is said the handle 24p really well, maybe even "properly", but in googling it, it sounded like the older versions of this mode had worse blacks. Is it still this way? Any other thoughts?

-Cnet says the blacks on these 2 TV's are both the same at .004?

-How is the S60/S64 using 60p as a compromise because of the poor 24p handling? I've heard it's fine

-For those with an S60 or other model without an AR filter, is is pretty bad in a room with ambient daylight? I could get rid of a lot of the light in the room with curtains, so no direct light, but there'd still be some from the room it's in and from the next room, just not direct glare other than some that might seep through between the curtains.

They seem pretty close overall, has anyone seen both and have an opinion of general overall quality or something I might be missing? They seem so close that I'm tempted to go for size, unless there's a dealbreaker somewhere. The only real one I see would probably be the AR filter. This Sammy is the same as the 5300, which is basically the same as the 5500. The initial thought was that this club version was to have an AR filter like the S64 club version got, but people are saying it either doesn't have one or is worthless. So wanted to get more info and also make sure the S64's is legit. I did see it in the store, but had no time to really compare.

Thanks for your thoughts. I need to decide today, soon...They only hold for a day....
post #4943 of 6818
Thread Starter 
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-The Sammy is said to be a mirror. Was it ever firmly established that the S64 AR filter is as effective as the ST60?

Yes it's firmly established. The S64 AR Filter is the exact same AR Filter that's also used on the ST60 & VT60. They only have one version of their AR Filter in 2013, and this is it.

The S60 is just as mirror like as the Samsungs since neither has an AR Filter. The S60 is brighter so during bright scenes it should punch through ambient light a little better than the Sammy, but in dark scenes both turn into dark mirrors.

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I thought the wording between the two filters was slightly different, but that may have just had to do with the blacks?

The wording differences pertains to the Black Filter that's on the face of the panel itself and has nothing to do with the AR Filter that's on the outer screen. The S64 has the exact same black filter as the S60. The ST60 has a different black filter that is darker.

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-For those with an S60 or other model without an AR filter, is is pretty bad in a room with ambient daylight? I could get rid of a lot of the light in the room with curtains, so no direct light, but there'd still be some from the room it's in and from the next room, just not direct glare other than some that might seep through between the curtains.

If the room is really bright and you can see white walls or light colored furniture or carpet etc reflected in the screen then the AR Filter won't make a huge difference, it will just soften the mirror effect - but it definitely helps mute reflections. But if the room is that bright, it's not a good viewing environment in the first place and some light control needs to be used in any case.

I'd go ahead and grab that S64 and try it out for at least a few days over the weekend. The worst that can happen is you don't like it and then you can return it.
post #4944 of 6818
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Originally Posted by farfromuman View Post

My two days old 65S64 just rebooted itself while watching a movie. The power light went out for few seconds then the TV came back on with a message about recovering from an error. Has this happened to anyone?

First, be sure you're using the latest firmware. The option to check for the update in the menus didn't work for me, so you can download it from Panasonic's site here. The latest version is 2.208. The update addresses "stability of the System" according to the release notes. Maybe that will help.
post #4945 of 6818
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Originally Posted by Kevinallen View Post

Hey guys, I'm in the process of selling my Vizio e601i-a3 television, and considering getting a plasma. specifically, the s60 because of its lower input lag compared to the st60. I guess i have a couple questions. What can I expect ( besides less bright ) switching from an LED to a plasma? if anyone has any experience with the e601 ( or any E series model ) and the s60, how do they compare? im mainly buying it for gaming. as im a heavy gamer and the next gen of consoles and better graphics are nearly here. so im preparing by hopefully purchasing an even greater television. my next question is, how does the blur on this cimpare to an LCD with a 120 hz refresh rate? i understand they are 2 completely different technologies but i keep reading differing articles about plasmas and their blur. though idk how old the articles were at the time of writing. i want as great a picture as possible, with as little blur as possible. my area is dimly lit so no issues there. anyways, thoughts for a potential buyer? this thread seems to be filled with negative things about this television


Edit: im also reading the review from CNet. which says that this television has difficultys with 1080p videos at 24 FPS? isnt that a major flaw then? since most things are filmed that way?

I was torn between the Vizio M series or the ST60 but then I heard about the S64, but good luck finding one now. You can check with your local Sam's Club or Costco to see if they have any though. The S64 has the anti-reflective filter of the ST60, which reduces reflections and helps maintain blacks in a bright room.

So it sounds like you're getting rid of the Vizio due to motion blur, right? I don't play many games, so I can't speak to the motion blur. Just be forewarned that if you game for long periods you are likely to see image retention (IR) on the set from static images, HUDs, primarily. I know a friend who games on his Samsung plasma and others on this forum do as well. Plasmas are fine for gaming, just be aware of the IR issue. As for 24p, the TV handles movies fine. It doesn't render proper film cadence, but I don't see any problems with the movies I watch on it. My old Samsung LED supposedly handled 24p properly, but I couldn't tell you the difference. I'm happy watching movies on my TV.

Still, I think the TV you have is a nice one. It may not be perfect, but if I were going for an LED, that is the one I would pick up. It seems like a good value.
post #4946 of 6818
Not sure what the difference is between the M series and the E series but I am also impressed with some of the new Vizios.
post #4947 of 6818
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

OK, I got the TV set up last night and, so far, I'm not real satisfied with the picture, in that it seems sort of dim. Yes, I turned off CATS right away. I've tried all the picture modes and I can't get a picture that matches the Toshiba 50HP66 plasma that died. The Toshiba was able to produce a bright, punchy image, while not blowing out whites.

The problem with the Panny is that the only mode that approaches the image I had with the Toshiba is the Vivid mode, but then whites and people's faces are blown out. It also turns out that in Vivid mode, Advanced Picture is disabled, so I can't turn down Panel Brightness. The best picture I've found so far is in Custom mode, with Contrast turned up to 100% and Panel Brightness set to Low, which mostly eliminates the blown out whites and faces.

Also, what about the Gamma setting, which is default at 2.4? Should I change that? Any other ideas for getting a "punchier" picture without blowing out the whites? Thanks much.

These were my impressions right off the bat...Even if you have the contrast belted all the way up to 100, and have panel brightness setting to 'high' IN vivid mode, it stilll produces a bit of a dim,flat and dark picture, clearly below the brightness and punch that my previous other TV's had AND current 27" CRT that i have on the side which is noticeably brighter, it's pretty dissapointing. However, this can be somewhat fixed by going into the pro settings in custom mode and raising the AGC and Black extension. Custom's default is AGC:7 & BE:5. It's what i'm currently using, with gamma set to 2.4. Still playing around with it though. :P
post #4948 of 6818
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

I set up an S60 and S64 by eye in the cinema mode (which offers the most accurate picture) at 90% contrast and with the panel brightness set to low they still look pretty bright, even under the florescent lights of Costco and Best Buy. With the S64's panel brightness set to mid, I was even able to match it to the brightness of a Panasonic E64, with it's backlight set to 50%, which is usually the setting recommended for most LCD's. Gamma should be at 2.2, which I believe is the default setting in that mode. All optional picture processing, turned off. The picture isn't as bright as my 2010 Panny, but under normal lighting conditions it shouldn't be an issue if the set is calibrated right. I always recommend a good set up disc like the ones offered by Disney Wow and Spears and Muncel.


Ian

Thanks for the suggestions--I will try them out, but I think it will be too dim for me. A few years ago, I bought a 55" Panny plasma for my parents' house, and it has a fantastic picture. Wish I could get this one to look like that.
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These were my impressions right off the bat...Even if you have the contrast belted all the way up to 100, and have panel brightness setting to 'high' IN vivid mode, it stilll produces a bit of a dim,flat and dark picture, clearly below the brightness and punch that my previous other TV's had AND current 27" CRT that i have on the side which is noticeably brighter, it's pretty dissapointing. However, this can be somewhat fixed by going into the pro settings in custom mode and raising the AGC and Black extension. Custom's default is AGC:7 & BE:5. It's what i'm currently using, with gamma set to 2.4. Still playing around with it though. :P

Thanks! Have you tried it yet with the AGC and BE raised above default? I'm not even sure what those settings do. I was thinking about getting a 65S60 for the family room, but unless I can get this 60S60 to produce a brighter picture, I'll look elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

Thanks! Have you tried it yet with the AGC and BE raised above default? I'm not even sure what those settings do. I was thinking about getting a 65S60 for the family room, but unless I can get this 60S60 to produce a brighter picture, I'll look elsewhere.

you'll get a super bright picture for bluray content much more so than the abnormally dim picture this plasma produces without the use of the AGC setting. Try raising AGC to '7' and put the black extension to '5'. These were the default settings ALREADY in custom mode to begin with, and with a gamma of 2.4 or 2.2, whatever you prefer. This has made an enormous difference and brings the picture to life. Now it's looking simular to my Sony wega CRT's brightness and previous LG plasma(Obviously better in terms of black levels performance, plus even brighter and more colorful!) and the picture looks more sculpted and has pop.
I'm sure you'll be satistyed when raising the AGC. wink.gif

But if you're not using the S60 for gaming and you have the cash to spare, then why not go for the Samsung 8500 plasma? Based on CNET's review it can get almost as bright as an LED, the ABL is less aggressive and it has the upper hand in motion handeling as well! I would of went for it without question but it's unacceptable for gaming due it's high input lag, so i settled with the S60. :P The 8500 goes for quite the penny though....

For now, my Contrast is set to 90, Gamma is 2.2, AGC: 4, BE: 5 and Panel Brightness: Medium. Remember don't set the panel brightness to high if you're using AGC and BE.
Edited by WaveBoy - 11/2/13 at 2:14am
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