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post #5071 of 6807
Well i just figured out how to get rid of the green tint lol something so simple fixed it for me
I changed the color gambut from normal to native fixed it for me
Was curious as to why most calibrations i say didnt say to do this. Is there some sort of disadvantage to it or what?
post #5072 of 6807
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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

I changed the color gambut from normal to native fixed it for me
Was curious as to why most calibrations i say didnt say to do this. Is there some sort of disadvantage to it or what?

Because when you calibrate, you do it for accuracy, and the native color gamut basically isn't accurate. It creates an expanded color range/gamut which means you can't calibrate it to rec709 with any efficiency.
post #5073 of 6807
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

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Wow, that may be easier said than done!wink.gif How much would that cost to bring both home, $4500? I don't think I can justify the price for a 60" 8500, but maybe I can swing the 60ST60. Really not wanting to go LED, but I hate that dimming(ABL?).

haha, bring home the ST60, keep it for a few days and see if you like it, take it back, bring home the 8500 and do the same thing. Ultimately it's going to be one of those two, because if you're sensitive to motion blur like i am than there is no way in hell that you will beable to settle for an LED. the motion smearing is the only reason why i will never touch the technology again, yet if it were on par with plasma i'd make the switch and never look back. :P

CNET 8500 review

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60f8500/4505-6482_7-35566923.html


"Bright lighting: The performance of the F8500 in high ambient light is better than any other plasma I've tested, and in this lineup is second only to the Sharp Elite LED. Its largest advantage over the other plasmas came in the form of prodigious light output.

Compared directly to the also-60-inch VT60, the F8500 almost doubled its maximum light output; I measured a peak of 83 fL (footlambert) in Dynamic mode on the Samsung, compared to 49 in Vivid mode on the Panasonic using window patterns.

The F8500 also maintains higher light output with full-screen patterns, measuring 19.1 fL compared to just 9.8 on the Panasonic. Hockey or skiing, where much of the screen is occupied by white or very bright material, appears markedly brighter on the F8500 than on other plasmas this size, and other content is proportionately brighter too, depending on how much of the screen is occupied by white. Most content is more mixed between light and dark, however, making this F8500 advantage less important. It's also worth noting that most LEDs can maintain an even brighter image than the F8500 with near- or full-white content.

Speaking of importance, here's the part where I remind readers that 40 fL, the amount to which I calibrate, is plenty for a moderately lit room. But if you have an extremely bright room or just prefer watching an extremely bright picture (like Vivid or Dynamic on your current TV), the F8500 comes closer to the light output of an LED TV than any plasma I've tested. Of course an LED can get even brighter; the 60-inch Elite, for example, can achieve a scorching 300 (window) and 133 (full-screen) fL in certain settings."

Like you, i love a contrasty bright image when watching movies, i don't care what the so called standard is, I've been watching movies for years now on my other SDTV CRT's with the contrast almost at max, it makes the picture come alive and pop. It's what is pleasing to YOUR eyes, it's the very reason why we have settings in the first place.You can't go wrong with the sammy! It's even got phenomenal black levels to boot, although not 'quite' as good as the ST60's, but brightness imo is more important anyways. Seems like the only real downside to the sammy is that it's going to rape your wallet. wink.gif Sigh, i'd love to get a 60" 8500, why do HDTV's have to have input lag for gaming? what a bummer.
Edited by WaveBoy - 11/10/13 at 1:52pm
post #5074 of 6807
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

haha, bring home the ST60, keep it for a few days and see if you like it, take it back, bring home the 8500 and do the same thing. Ultimately it's going to be one of those two, because if you're sensitive to motion blur like i am than there is no way in hell that you will beable to settle for an LED. the motion smearing is the only reason why i will never touch the technology again, yet if it were on par with plasma i'd make the switch and never look back. :P

CNET 8500 review

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60f8500/4505-6482_7-35566923.html


"Bright lighting: The performance of the F8500 in high ambient light is better than any other plasma I've tested, and in this lineup is second only to the Sharp Elite LED. Its largest advantage over the other plasmas came in the form of prodigious light output.

Compared directly to the also-60-inch VT60, the F8500 almost doubled its maximum light output; I measured a peak of 83 fL (footlambert) in Dynamic mode on the Samsung, compared to 49 in Vivid mode on the Panasonic using window patterns.

The F8500 also maintains higher light output with full-screen patterns, measuring 19.1 fL compared to just 9.8 on the Panasonic. Hockey or skiing, where much of the screen is occupied by white or very bright material, appears markedly brighter on the F8500 than on other plasmas this size, and other content is proportionately brighter too, depending on how much of the screen is occupied by white. Most content is more mixed between light and dark, however, making this F8500 advantage less important. It's also worth noting that most LEDs can maintain an even brighter image than the F8500 with near- or full-white content.

Speaking of importance, here's the part where I remind readers that 40 fL, the amount to which I calibrate, is plenty for a moderately lit room. But if you have an extremely bright room or just prefer watching an extremely bright picture (like Vivid or Dynamic on your current TV), the F8500 comes closer to the light output of an LED TV than any plasma I've tested. Of course an LED can get even brighter; the 60-inch Elite, for example, can achieve a scorching 300 (window) and 133 (full-screen) fL in certain settings."

Like you, i love a contrasty bright image when watching movies, i don't care what the so called standard is, I've been watching movies for years now on my other SDTV CRT's with the contrast almost at max, it makes the picture come alive and pop. It's what is pleasing to YOUR eyes, it's the very reason why we have settings in the first place.You can't go wrong with the sammy! It's even got phenomenal black levels to boot, although not 'quite' as good as the ST60's, but brightness imo is more important anyways. Seems like the only real downside to the sammy is that it's going to rape your wallet. wink.gif Sigh, i'd love to get a 60" 8500, why do HDTV's have to have input lag for gaming? what a bummer.

Wow, the reviewer is discussing the very issue that has me returning my 60S60, which I assume is the ABL. We watch a lot of cable sports and news channels, and whenever they throw up one of those bright information bars across the bottom or side of the screen, the remainder of the screen gets really dim. Usually, the broadcast person's face is in that area of the screen and then they look dull and lifeless. From this review, it sounds like the Samsung 8500 may have less of this effect than the Panny VT60. Based on this comparison of the 8500 and the VT60, it definitely sounds like the 8500 would be for me.

However, did I not read that the ST60 is brighter than the VT60? If so, maybe the ST60 would approach the Samsung 8500 for my purposes. I still have a Mitsubishi CRT HDTV in the family room, and I guess I am spoiled by the absence of any ABL or dimming effect! And I never noticed any appreciable dimming with the Toshiba 50HP66 plasma I am trying to replace.

BTW, do Samsung/Panasonic/Sony LED TVs use ABL or any sort of dimming? I guess I assumed they had NO ABL, but I need to know if that is incorrect.
post #5075 of 6807

According to that rating site, the ST60 scores higher than the VT60...

post #5076 of 6807
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

According to that rating site, the ST60 scores higher than the VT60...

CNET, along with some other reviewers, rates the ST higher since it offers more value. The VT still has a slight edge in over all performance.

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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

Well i just figured out how to get rid of the green tint lol something so simple fixed it for me
I changed the color gambut from normal to native fixed it for me
Was curious as to why most calibrations i say didnt say to do this. Is there some sort of disadvantage to it or what?

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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Because when you calibrate, you do it for accuracy, and the native color gamut basically isn't accurate. It creates an expanded color range/gamut which means you can't calibrate it to rec709 with any efficiency.


With the gamut set to native you will experience colors that are over saturated, with more posterization and color banding. This will vary depending on the content. If you want to reduce the green push, you need to either adjust the color temp to a cooler setting, or tweak the white balance settings. I would check with others on this thread who have calibrated their sets to get a reference, unless you have the equipment to make the proper adjustments.


Ian
Edited by mailiang - 11/10/13 at 3:59pm
post #5077 of 6807
Ok i have a major gripe with this tv.

I used to have a 46" toshiba REGZA
Since ive been gamjng on this tv ive been trying to adjust the brigtness for my gaming and haave been have varying results. I am in a room with blackout curtains and very little light

Am i just really used to my tv being super bright or is there a problem with the lighting on this tv whenever i play a game like gta 5 the daytime looks like crap its seems to dim and looks weird and the color is slighly off same thing with call of duty black ops 2 but when i play gears of war judgement it looks beautiful. I just cant figure this thing out and its annoying me can'ts se i bought this tv mainly to get ready for the release of xbox one and will mainly be playing games on this tv. Im really starting to hate this tv frown.gif. Hope some can help me out.
post #5078 of 6807
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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

Ok i have a major gripe with this tv.

I used to have a 46" toshiba REGZA
Since ive been gamjng on this tv ive been trying to adjust the brigtness for my gaming and haave been have varying results. I am in a room with blackout curtains and very little light

Am i just really used to my tv being super bright or is there a problem with the lighting on this tv whenever i play a game like gta 5 the daytime looks like crap its seems to dim and looks weird and the color is slighly off same thing with call of duty black ops 2 but when i play gears of war judgement it looks beautiful. I just cant figure this thing out and its annoying me can'ts se i bought this tv mainly to get ready for the release of xbox one and will mainly be playing games on this tv. Im really starting to hate this tv frown.gif. Hope some can help me out.

Panasonic plasma's use ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiting) to ensure the tv does not exceed a specific amount of power consumtion. The amount of power required to light every pixel to full brightness on a plasma is just too much for the TV to safely handle while also remaining cool enough for long term operation, it would also either stress or exceed the average home power circuit.

This is why bright sections of a mostly dimmer scene will seem perfectly bright, but a rather bright scene will look somewhat dim. This is just the way plasma TV's are, and something you will have to get used to.

Make sure "Power save" is set to "Standard" in the Eco Navigation menu, and C.A.T.S. is set to off in the Picture menu. Both of these settings have to be set this way to get the set to produce as much brightness as it can.
post #5079 of 6807
Well since i hate this tv for gaming i am planning on taking it back and getting this tv http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-E500i-A1-50-inch-1080P-120Hz/dp/B009LG6B1G%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAICE7LOAJMK3SSLPA%26tag%3Dignblender-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB009LG6B1G
This just sucks though i really wanted to love this tv
post #5080 of 6807
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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

Well since i hate this tv for gaming i am planning on taking it back and getting this tv http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-E500i-A1-50-inch-1080P-120Hz/dp/B009LG6B1G%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAICE7LOAJMK3SSLPA%26tag%3Dignblender-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB009LG6B1G
This just sucks though i really wanted to love this tv

Honestly, you get used to it. The overall image quality is just so much higher, you stop noticing the reduced brightness.

Cheap LCDs have much worse tradeoffs like terrible blacks and MAJOR Dirty Screen Effect.

That DSE if by far the most irritating thing for me, and I would never stop noticing it. And it is present in every large LCD i've seen right now, even the expensive ones. These companies are just really bad spreading out the LED backlights evenly. I was watching some of the demo's on the $20,000 Sony 4K TV at the local big box store and I could still see it when they were showing off golf and soccer shots.

I'll take a dimmer screen any day.

Best of luck with what ever you choose.
post #5081 of 6807
Do all plasma tvs use this abl cause id rather have a plasma but not atthe expense of the brightness on my games
post #5082 of 6807
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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

Well since i hate this tv for gaming i am planning on taking it back and getting this tv http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-E500i-A1-50-inch-1080P-120Hz/dp/B009LG6B1G%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAICE7LOAJMK3SSLPA%26tag%3Dignblender-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB009LG6B1G
This just sucks though i really wanted to love this tv

You're going to take a nice hit in black levels & motion handling if you plan on making the switch....And i hear it's local dimming is pretty harsh unless you can turn it off.
As far as brightness goes. Try these options for the S60. wink.gif

Custom Mode (Make sure cats is off)

Contrast: 100
Brightness: -1 or -2
Panel Brightness: HIGH
Gamma: 2.4

Or if you want an even brighter image which makes a huge/ night and day difference while sacrificing a bit of detail in the color

AGC: 7
BE: 5

Make sure your panel brightness is set to MED for this, 'high' will look completely botched, and also set the normal brightness to '0'
Edited by WaveBoy - 11/10/13 at 8:08pm
post #5083 of 6807
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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

Do all plasma tvs use this abl cause id rather have a plasma but not atthe expense of the brightness on my games

The samsung's tend to be brighter. The top of the line one has been said to be almost as bright as an LED, but that is thousands of dollars, and doesn't have as good picture quality as the similar Panasonic set.
post #5084 of 6807
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

The samsung's tend to be brighter. The top of the line one has been said to be almost as bright as an LED, but that is thousands of dollars, and doesn't have as good picture quality as the similar Panasonic set.

He shouldn't bother with any of the samsungs if he plans on gaming due to their high input lag. His only real choices when it comes to LED would be > The Sony 900A(19ms), Sony 800A(17ms) or the Vizio(32ms) he just mentioned. tongue.gif
Edited by WaveBoy - 11/10/13 at 8:08pm
post #5085 of 6807
Ok iv pretty much made up my mind that im going to get the VIZIO...
Do you think its even worth upgrading my old led Toshiba REGZA will i notice a difference between the 2? The main reason i had decided to upgrade is because of motion blur do you think this VIZIO will be better than my old tv in that regard?
post #5086 of 6807
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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

Ok iv pretty much made up my mind that im going to get the VIZIO...
Do you think its even worth upgrading my old led Toshiba REGZA will i notice a difference between the 2? The main reason i had decided to upgrade is because of motion blur do you think this VIZIO will be better than my old tv in that regard?

The Sony 900A has a motion enhancing feature called 'impulse' mode that reduces blur wihout giving you the soap opera effect, the downside? The brightness plummets to 98cmd which is lower than what the S60 is capable of. I have no idea weather the Vizio would be better with motion
than your old Regza. You could always ask around in the LED/LCD forum. :P I've tried to get used to both LCD & LED technology, but that nasty blur has ruined all of my movie experiences and gaming(titles that move beyond the speed of a snail).
post #5087 of 6807
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Originally Posted by raptorlightning View Post

Haven't tried it yet. Again, I'm a bit scared of voiding my warranty. A kind user pointed me to this thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479356/2013-panasonic-s60-s64-diy-noise-reduction-experiments-illustrated/ which has a lot of information about "popping" which I haven't experienced, but it does have some information about the buzzing. The magnetic sheet idea looks like it might be the first thing to try.

I'd be up for any more suggestions, as I'm not sure whether or not adding mass to the back panel would really make much difference in the internal power supply buzzing.

That thread is mostly about reducing the popping, not the buzzing, be forewarned though that messing with the screws to alleviate the popping, if you have any, can increase the buzzing. The added mass from the magnetic panels is for the popping, but could be used to cover the vents in the same way as the foam would be used, only it would be on the outside and easily placed and removed. The potential problem is heat though.

Anyone know how you'd open a panel and not lay it down flat anyhow, since we're not supposed to lay a plasma down?

I came across this thread: http://www.avforums.com/threads/panasonic-plasma-buzz-fix.878642/

The post about the insulation on the ferrite rings sounds promising, but I'd like to know how to open the panel safely. I can't stand the buzzing, but this is the only set around that hits the price/performance ratio for me.
post #5088 of 6807
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Originally Posted by Ben Thompson View Post

Thanks wavyboy those settings for my 360 made a big difference....
Now to tackle my next isue with this set.... Why does everything have a green tint to it its driving me crazy mad.gif: skin tones look "off" to me.
I bought that disneys wow Calibration disc was trying to use the blue filter thing but im not exactly sure how to use it properly.
If anyone can suggest a good calibration that woul be vey much appreciated:)

No worries! OH and about the everything looking green. i had the exact same problem at the beginning....Everything had this puke-like green tint to it including the skins.... that was until i dialed back the HIGH GREENS in the pro settings to around -22 to -25. This will solve your problem and make all the difference. wink.gif Also, i'd increase blue saturation to 30(CNET did the same thing) since blues are a bit desaturated in the default settings! Maybe dial the Low greens back to around -11 as well. For gaming, i like the color temp to be at COOL1, because it makes the whites whiter and the blues brighter. While WARM2 is a 'must' for film.

Also, can somebody please explain what exactly the 'HIGH' setting for panel brightness is doing to the picture aside from....well, making it brighter? It seems like shadow detail, or darker shades of color & black get a tiny bit lighter, to the point where i have to lower the brightness to -2.
Edited by WaveBoy - 11/11/13 at 12:10am
post #5089 of 6807
Ben use a bias light behind your S60, it will make a dramatic difference for your eyes

https://vimeo.com/78694694

^panel brightness on ZERO(-30) for first 4-5 minutes
post #5090 of 6807
So Waveboy... can you give me a rundown of your complete and updated picture settings?? thanks in advance.

p.s. also why does nobody seem to use "home theatre" setting?
post #5091 of 6807
could someone please post their settings for regular satellite tv viewing? and also, settings for xbox 360?? thanks in advance
post #5092 of 6807
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Originally Posted by cmartell1978 View Post

So Waveboy... can you give me a rundown of your complete and updated picture settings?? thanks in advance.

p.s. also why does nobody seem to use "home theatre" setting?

Here you go!

Picture Mode: Custom (For Bluray, not gaming)

Contrast: 95 for a more contrasty picture (going over 85 may result in a tiny bit of clipping, but i don't care. 85 i find it just a little too dim)
Brightness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50

Color Temp: WARM 2
Vivid Color: OFF
CATS: OFF
Video NR: OFF
Mpeg NR: OFF

PRO Settings
Panel Brightness: Med
AGC: 0
BE: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4

W/B detail adjustment
W/B high R : -4
W/B high G : -21
W/B high B : 2
W/B low R : 0
W/B low G : -10
W/B low B : -6

Color detail adjustment
Red Hue : 2
Red saturation : 0
Red luminance : 0
Green Hue : 4
Green saturation : -9
Green luminance : -4
Blue Hue : 3
Blue saturation : 30
Blue luminance : -10

Advance Picture

1080p pixel direct : Off
HDMI content type : Off
HDMI/DVI RGB range : Non Standard
Black level : Light

Screen settings
Screen format : Full
Overscan : OFF
H size : Size 1


Still playing around with Panel Brightness set to 'HIGH" with brightness set to -2. BTW, most of the he color detail & B/W adjustments were taken from CNET's settings,
but i knocked down the High greens to -21 since the picture was looking too green at '0' What a difference this makes!
Edited by WaveBoy - 11/11/13 at 6:39am
post #5093 of 6807
what would u recommend for gaming?? I do a lot of xbox 360 gaming. As well, I cannot change the value of my AGC and BE, they are grayed out at 7 and 5...
post #5094 of 6807
oh and I forgot to ask if you use your "bluray" settings for watching normal satellite tv as well, thanks in advance!!
post #5095 of 6807
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Did CNet actually say "the only real difference between the ST60 and S60 was the 3D and the filter." or are you paraphrasing from memory? I don't know what you read on CNet, but there many more differences between these series than just that and CNet has covered them all in their reviews.

The ST60 has the completely different and much higher performing NeoPlasma Plasma Panel with faster-switching phosphors, and a darker Black Filter bonded to it's face. It's the same panel that's used in the higher VT60. A 3D panel by nature will perform better and be brighter than the non-3D panel used in the entry-level S60/S64 series.


CNet ST60 Review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html

CNet S60 Review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50s60/4505-6482_7-35558333.html


Head's Up Comparison between ST60 and S64 (which is simply an S60 with an AR Filter added):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1490539/heads-up-comparison-65-s64-vs-60-st60-ask-me-questions

If you look more carefully at the CNET reviews you yourself posted above, you'll see the S60 gets a 8/10 for performance and the ST60 gets a 9/10 for performance. The S64 also gets a 9/10 for performance. This clashes with your statement about the much high performing panel in the ST60 vs. the S60/S64.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p65s64/4505-6482_7-35831113.html

CNET did not subject the Panasonic TC-PS64 series to a full review, but we have had extensive hands-on time with the 65-inch version. We've also reviewed the closely related TC-PST60 and TC-PS60 series.

Based on our observations, the S64 is a sort of hybrid between those two series. It offers the same screen filter technology as the ST60, which means it performs the same in bright environments. That advantage makes it a better all-around performer than the S60, which suffers under the lights.

In every other way it's essentially an S60: the same deep black levels and relatively accurate color (but not as accurate as the ST60's), the same inability to properly handle 1080p/24 content, the same excellent input lag score (35.3ms). The picture adjustments are the same as on the S60, as is the rest of the feature set: bare-bones Smart TV apps, just two HDMI inputs, and no 3D.

If you can afford an ST60 it's probably worth paying extra money for its advantages, including slightly better picture quality (namely color and 1080p/24 processing). That said, if I did a review of the S64 it would probably get a "9" in picture quality--the same as the ST60, and one point better than the S60--and a "10" in value, making it one of the best TVs of 2013.

So yes, the easiest way to think of the S64 is as a "poor man's ST60." For gamers sensitive to input lag, and people who don't consider the ST60's advantages worth the extra money, the S64 is a tremendous bargain.

The main downside is that the S64 is only available in 50- and 65-inch sizes, and only from wholesale clubs like Sam's Club and Costco. As of October 2013 inventory is relatively low on these models, according to Panasonic, and the company couldn't tell us whether it would be replenished in time for the holidays.
post #5096 of 6807
Also, the motion resolution is 800 lines on the ST60 vs. 700 lines on the S60/S64. So, the faster phosphors don't make a huge difference. The darker black filter does make a the blacks a tad darker, but not by much (look at the MLL measurements in the CNET reviews). The difference is under 0.0005 fL, which is consistent with D-Nice's remarks on the matter.
post #5097 of 6807
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

If you look more carefully at the CNET reviews you yourself posted above, you'll see the S60 gets a 8/10 for performance and the ST60 gets a 9/10 for performance. The S64 also gets a 9/10 for performance. This clashes with your statement about the much high performing panel in the ST60 vs. the S60/S64.

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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Also, the motion resolution is 800 lines on the ST60 vs. 700 lines on the S60/S64. So, the faster phosphors don't make a huge difference. The darker black filter does make a the blacks a tad darker, but not by much (look at the MLL measurements in the CNET reviews). The difference is under 0.0005 fL, which is consistent with D-Nice's remarks on the matter.


Good point. First of all, I would never take a comparison of these sets seriously unless they were both calibrated properly. That being said, if you look at the actual measurements (CNET, Review.com, Rtings.com...) you will clearly see that they support what CNET alludes to in terms of over all PQ. The real difference between these two sets as far as I can see, (excluding the AR filter when compared to the S60) is the better video processing of the ST60, which includes a greater peek brightness, possibly due to a less aggressive ABL, and the ability to produce 24p content properly.


Ian
post #5098 of 6807
can someone please post their settings for xbox360 (gaming)?? I notice when I have the xbox on and black screens, looks like I see colored pixels in the black areas. Any ideas?
post #5099 of 6807
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Originally Posted by cmartell View Post

can someone please post their settings for xbox360 (gaming)?? I notice when I have the xbox on and black screens, looks like I see colored pixels in the black areas. Any ideas?

You need to turn down the brightness on your set a few points. There is a point where solid black will no longer have any of these artifacts. There is nothing you can do about them in shades above black, it is just a byproduct of the way these sets work.
post #5100 of 6807
thanks very much!! Was looking to see if anyone could post recent settings here for regular tv viewing and for xbox 360
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