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post #5551 of 6830
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post

I'd say it's a real concern, if she really does spend a lot of time on shows that have a static logo. Personally, I never worry about it, but i'm not a worrier. If it was something that made me think about whether I should be watching this show or that show for any specific amount of time, or I just had a niggling doubt about whether I would run into problems, I'd go with a trouble free set. I gotta say though, if you're concerned enough to ask about it in detail on this forum, I'd say go LED. The benefits of plasma are going to be nil for watching those shows anyway. Life is too short to be worried about IR!

Ha ha, where were you when I was asking about IR! Ha ha

As far as aman74 questions, in my brief experience with my new plasma (350hrs and going), I'd say IR is inevitable with any static image, how much and how bad varies. I HIGHLY recommend turning Pixel Orbiter on, it helps a lot, doesn't stop it, but instead of leaving a perfectly etched copy of a logo on the screen it just leaves more of a blur in the area the logo was. I play a lot of games on mine and I've seen the drastic difference between it set to Auto (aka off) and On. After every play session (1.5-3hrs) I tend to go out of my way to find IR, by loading up a pure white slide, sometimes no IR, other times faint grey blurs/blobs, but this is me being SUPER paranoid (which sounds like you are too).

But I've only actually noticed this once in normal viewing, which I'm afraid to say was on network TV. After watching an episode of Agents of SHIELD for an hour, on some really bright white commercial after the show was over I could make out a pretty larger blob where the "ABC" stupid snowflake logo had been during the show. I didn't notice it during other commercials during the show though, and I was done with the TV then, so I ran the screen wipe for 5-10mins and it went away.

And that was just an hour show, and that got IR quickly, I'd say if your mother watches a lot of tv during the day, I personally (and I'm not an expert) would go with an LED. I think a plasma in your situation would bring you a lot of stress and heartache, as it has brought me in the first few weeks of ownership. I'm learning to live with mine a bit, and not be so anal about it and decided to keep it, despite how bummed I get any time I find some larger IR on the white slide. But I've learned that I'm going WAY out of my way to see it. BUT I'm also the only one who uses the TV so I can control how much it's used and what is done to correct it. Also oddly enough, games seem to be a lot easier on the panel than network/cable TV. I mean TV channel logos seem to IR more easily/badly. as with a game the images are smaller (less area to IR) but also going into menus and cut-scenes and what not fairly often, along with the pixel orbiter on mostly causes very little IR I've noticed. I've played one game several times in 3hrs+ chunks with the orbiter on and had no noticeable IR, but the one time I left it on "Auto" was some of the worst IR I've ever seen, clearly had various text very readable on there, as well as various lines/bars from the HUD as well, it made me sick to my stomach. I ran the swiper for 15mins, it was better but still very read able (on a white slide) so set the slides to run over night while I slept and by the next day it was fine. Still stressed me out a lot, and it sounds like you have less control over your set, so you may want to avoid situations like this.
post #5552 of 6830
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Originally Posted by hbkmog View Post

So guys, I just got a p50s65 few days ago and I've been playing with it. How's everybody's opinion on the motion blur of s60/s64? I tried some PS3 games and noticed the motion blur/ghosting effect on some fast moving text/object. Also it seems s60/s64 score pretty low on motion blur test on ratings.com, yet it's recommended as one of the best HDTVs for gaming. How's everybody's experience and do you get bothered by it?

The issue is that there is very little actual motion blur, making it easier to see inbetween the frames in lower fps games. LCDs would typically simply blur this effect making it look more like motion as it smudges across the screen.

The TV is rated one of the better sets for gaming simply because of it's low-ish latency. You get used to it really, I love gaming on the s60.

I'll tell you, Ryse looks freaking amazing!

I often say graphics don't matter, but that game is so pretty it makes me want to keep playing, even if the combat is a bit repetitive. I still think the game deserves a better rating than it's received, it's and impressive title.

/endreview
post #5553 of 6830
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

The issue is that there is very little actual motion blur, making it easier to see inbetween the frames in lower fps games. LCDs would typically simply blur this effect making it look more like motion as it smudges across the screen.

The TV is rated one of the better sets for gaming simply because of it's low-ish latency. You get used to it really, I love gaming on the s60.

I'll tell you, Ryse looks freaking amazing!

I often say graphics don't matter, but that game is so pretty it makes me want to keep playing, even if the combat is a bit repetitive. I still think the game deserves a better rating than it's received, it's and impressive title.

/endreview

Just finished Borderlands on this TV yesterday. Nope, I still can't get over the nasty motion on 30fps games. Cartoony graphics like Borderlands seem to perform the worst with phosphor lag. I will have to try to avoid 30 fps games as much as possible. I have no complaints with 60 fps games mostly.
post #5554 of 6830
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

The issue is that there is very little actual motion blur, making it easier to see inbetween the frames in lower fps games. LCDs would typically simply blur this effect making it look more like motion as it smudges across the screen.

The TV is rated one of the better sets for gaming simply because of it's low-ish latency. You get used to it really, I love gaming on the s60.

I'll tell you, Ryse looks freaking amazing!

I often say graphics don't matter, but that game is so pretty it makes me want to keep playing, even if the combat is a bit repetitive. I still think the game deserves a better rating than it's received, it's and impressive title.

/endreview

Yeah it must be the 30fps thing. I hooked it up with my PC and tried few games on it and I didn't see the blur much. But it's quite noticeable on my PS3 games with 30fps.

However, ratings.com did only give it a 5.0 in motion blur test, lagging even behind some LEDs :\
post #5555 of 6830
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Originally Posted by hbkmog View Post

Yeah it must be the 30fps thing. I hooked it up with my PC and tried few games on it and I didn't see the blur much. But it's quite noticeable on my PS3 games with 30fps.

However, ratings.com did only give it a 5.0 in motion blur test, lagging even behind some LEDs :\

Not a fair comparison as gamers have no desire to use motion interpolation. It's still vastly superior to any LCDs.
post #5556 of 6830
Heck, my 42" 720p LG plasma from 2011 had much better motion than my S60. The S60's motion is good but it's a step down compared to how good plasma's can really get in this area. Still better than any Motion smearing 'drunkOvision' LCD. I'm still trying to get a tiny bit of a brighter picture on my S60 by either just raising the AGC to '1'(Panel brightness set to MID, contrast: 100 and brightness '0' & Gamma: 2.4) OR turning off the AGC, setting the panel brightness to high and raising back the brightness to -2 with contrast being at 100 and Gamma: 2.4

But i feel that setting PB to high leaves an undesirable effect, almost like black levels...As if the picture has slightly less punch & looks a bit flatter due to shadows looking a little lighter.. It DOES offer a brighter image. AGC just crushes the hell out of color detail to the point of looking like a solid blob and makes the picture look more on the artifical side. BUT, i think you could get away with just setting it to '1' to get that step up in brightness with it out things getting out of hand. I keep fiddling between these current settings. Because quite frankly, with PB set to mid, as is it's just a little too dim for my liking. Setting AGC '7' gives me closer brightness to my CRT, but with the AGC being that high you're crippling the picture in other ways. wink.gif
Edited by WaveBoy - 12/3/13 at 8:53am
post #5557 of 6830
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Originally Posted by KOF View Post

Just finished Borderlands on this TV yesterday. Nope, I still can't get over the nasty motion on 30fps games. Cartoony graphics like Borderlands seem to perform the worst with phosphor lag. I will have to try to avoid 30 fps games as much as possible. I have no complaints with 60 fps games mostly.

That sounds a bit like my Vizio's inverse ghosting. I actually am not that big of a motion snob, but there is something about additional distractions added to the picture. The inverse ghosting would add a blackish outline to the motion.

There is one map on Uncharted 2 online that's like polygon/test map and the contrast is really high for everything because they're flat bright polygons and holy hell..
post #5558 of 6830
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p42s60/4505-6482_7-35558334-2.html

"Sticklers for motion resolution will also note that the S60 performed a bit worse than the ST60 (700 lines versus 800) when the latter's dejudder was turned off. Turning it on, which isn't an option on the S60, widened the gap between the two further. On the other hand I found it quite difficult (as usual) to discern any blurriness in program material, and the S60's result is still better than that of a typical 120Hz LED TVs."

Emphasis added. No set is perfect, but it's hard to find a better display for the money than the S60.
post #5559 of 6830
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Originally Posted by lynesjc View Post

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p42s60/4505-6482_7-35558334-2.html

"Sticklers for motion resolution will also note that the S60 performed a bit worse than the ST60 (700 lines versus 800) when the latter's dejudder was turned off. Turning it on, which isn't an option on the S60, widened the gap between the two further. On the other hand I found it quite difficult (as usual) to discern any blurriness in program material, and the S60's result is still better than that of a typical 120Hz LED TVs."

Emphasis added. No set is perfect, but it's hard to find a better display for the money than the S60.

Thanks for that.

Just to make it clear, this set does not suffer from motion blurring issues. It suffers from stuttering, which is non-ideal handling of non 60hz sources. The tv wants things to be 60hz, and thats why games and content running at or around 60hz look fine. But once you get lower, it's processing just isn't very good, and you get these large gaps in movement in between frames.

This is exactly why many here have suggested turning off 24hz output on blu-rays so the player will handle this conversion and not the tv. It really is unfortunate that Panasonic put such a poor solution in this set, but they have to upsell the st60 and higher somehow right?!
post #5560 of 6830
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

Thanks for that.

Just to make it clear, this set does not suffer from motion blurring issues. It suffers from stuttering, which is non-ideal handling of non 60hz sources. The tv wants things to be 60hz, and thats why games and content running at or around 60hz look fine. But once you get lower, it's processing just isn't very good, and you get these large gaps in movement in between frames.

This is exactly why many here have suggested turning off 24hz output on blu-rays so the player will handle this conversion and not the tv. It really is unfortunate that Panasonic put such a poor solution in this set, but they have to upsell the st60 and higher somehow right?!


I have no motion issues with my S60, however I do not game. As far as judder is concerned, I have watched several BD's, streamed a few Netflix films on this TV, and thus far, I have only found it noticeable with scrolling credits at the end of a movie. Unlike my other PDP, I've seen little improvement with the PQ, with my player set to 24p, so I set back to 60.


Ian
post #5561 of 6830
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

Thanks for that.

Just to make it clear, this set does not suffer from motion blurring issues. It suffers from stuttering, which is non-ideal handling of non 60hz sources. The tv wants things to be 60hz, and thats why games and content running at or around 60hz look fine. But once you get lower, it's processing just isn't very good, and you get these large gaps in movement in between frames.

This is exactly why many here have suggested turning off 24hz output on blu-rays so the player will handle this conversion and not the tv. It really is unfortunate that Panasonic put such a poor solution in this set, but they have to upsell the st60 and higher somehow right?!

sending 60p to the set is the workaround to this issue, and if you have a good BD player, it can easily handle the 2:3 pulldown needed to convert 24p content to 60p output for the TV
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

I have no motion issues with my S60, however I do not game. As far as judder is concerned, I have watched several BD's, streamed a few Netflix films on this TV, and thus far, I have only found it noticeable with scrolling credits at the end of a movie. Unlike my other PDP, I've seen little improvement with the PQ, with my player set to 24p, so I set back to 60.


Ian

you are right about the stuttering being hard to see outside of the scrolling text found on end credits.. but simply knowing that makes me want to send only 60p to this set
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I have an question that I'm hoping some S60 owners can help me out with. Last week I bought a floor model 65 inch S60 and got what I thought was a great deal. The only reason I bought a floor model is because the store I was at did not have any new in stock and could not get one for me.

I got the tv home, hooked it up and was underwhelmed by the PQ. Everything looked "soft" for lack of a better word and I didn't see the clarity or crisp picture I was expecting. At first I thought it was just the source since I was watching AT&T Uverse HD, which is notoriously terrible. I watched a few different blu rays and although it looked a bit better, it still didn't look great. My 50" Samsung 550 series from 2009 looked much, much better. Finally, I looked in the menu and saw that the tv had been used for 2800 hours, which seemed like a lot to me but I guess that's what you get with a floor model. I tried tweaking my settings for about 3 days until I finally gave up and returned it (luckily this store allows open box returns).

The S60 got very good reviews and I was pretty surprised that the PQ was not good. My question is this: Is it likely that being in torch mode for 2800 hours and not being broken in properly is what caused the bad PQ? Or I am just expecting too much clarity from such a large screen? Prior to this a 50" was the largest tv I owned. I am considering getting another S60 (brand new this time) from a different store and hoping my results are better but I wanted to get a little input first. Also, I sit 10.5 feet from the screen and can't go back any further unless I want to sit in the front yard.
post #5563 of 6830
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Originally Posted by CleaveTheGreat View Post

I have an question that I'm hoping some S60 owners can help me out with. Last week I bought a floor model 65 inch S60 and got what I thought was a great deal. The only reason I bought a floor model is because the store I was at did not have any new in stock and could not get one for me.

I got the tv home, hooked it up and was underwhelmed by the PQ. Everything looked "soft" for lack of a better word and I didn't see the clarity or crisp picture I was expecting. At first I thought it was just the source since I was watching AT&T Uverse HD, which is notoriously terrible. I watched a few different blu rays and although it looked a bit better, it still didn't look great. My 50" Samsung 550 series from 2009 looked much, much better. Finally, I looked in the menu and saw that the tv had been used for 2800 hours, which seemed like a lot to me but I guess that's what you get with a floor model. I tried tweaking my settings for about 3 days until I finally gave up and returned it (luckily this store allows open box returns).

The S60 got very good reviews and I was pretty surprised that the PQ was not good. My question is this: Is it likely that being in torch mode for 2800 hours and not being broken in properly is what caused the bad PQ? Or I am just expecting too much clarity from such a large screen? Prior to this a 50" was the largest tv I owned. I am considering getting another S60 (brand new this time) from a different store and hoping my results are better but I wanted to get a little input first. Also, I sit 10.5 feet from the screen and can't go back any further unless I want to sit in the front yard.

Well I got the 60ST60 two weeks ago which is similar enough to the S60 minus the filter. I too was underwhelmed at first until I made sure Eco mode was Off, CATS was Off and I was no longer in Standard picture mode. I put the tv into Home Theater mode and upped the Contrast and Sharpness a bit which is plenty bright and crisp. Forza 5 on the Xbox One looks incredibly bright and clear. I'm blown away.

Good luck.
post #5564 of 6830
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Originally Posted by CleaveTheGreat View Post

I have an question that I'm hoping some S60 owners can help me out with. Last week I bought a floor model 65 inch S60 and got what I thought was a great deal. The only reason I bought a floor model is because the store I was at did not have any new in stock and could not get one for me.

I got the tv home, hooked it up and was underwhelmed by the PQ. Everything looked "soft" for lack of a better word and I didn't see the clarity or crisp picture I was expecting. At first I thought it was just the source since I was watching AT&T Uverse HD, which is notoriously terrible. I watched a few different blu rays and although it looked a bit better, it still didn't look great. My 50" Samsung 550 series from 2009 looked much, much better. Finally, I looked in the menu and saw that the tv had been used for 2800 hours, which seemed like a lot to me but I guess that's what you get with a floor model. I tried tweaking my settings for about 3 days until I finally gave up and returned it (luckily this store allows open box returns).

The S60 got very good reviews and I was pretty surprised that the PQ was not good. My question is this: Is it likely that being in torch mode for 2800 hours and not being broken in properly is what caused the bad PQ? Or I am just expecting too much clarity from such a large screen? Prior to this a 50" was the largest tv I owned. I am considering getting another S60 (brand new this time) from a different store and hoping my results are better but I wanted to get a little input first. Also, I sit 10.5 feet from the screen and can't go back any further unless I want to sit in the front yard.

I honestly don't think a new one will help, as 2800 hours is not that long for a TV. I bought a new 60S60 and returned it to Amazon because of the overall dim picture. I tried all the setting recommendations in this thread, but to no avail. I was coming from a 2007 Toshiba 50HP66 plasma, which was able to achieve a fairly bright, contrasty picture and had minimal ABL that I could perceive. The biggest problem with the S60 is the aggressive ABL, which limits the light output whenever there is a screen with mostly white or bright content. In that circumstance, the screen will have a light gray tone, and any faces on the screen will be sort of dull looking.

So, I have ordered a 60ST60 because it has the brightest output of any of the current Panasonic plasmas, and significantly more than the S60. My hope and intention is that it will have a bright and contrasty enough image to live with, since I did research LED TVs for about a month and just could not find one I thought would satisfy me, short of going with the $2500 Sony KDL65W850A.
post #5565 of 6830

Hello

 

I just purchased a S60 maybe 2 weeks ago so far i love this tv the only downside i have found is there isnt enough HDMI ports for me. I was thinking about purchasing a HDMI switch vs having to keep switching cables back and forth from one thing to another. I'm just hesitant to get a switch because i do not want to sacrifice picture quality. Is this usually a problem when adding a switch to your setup and can anyone please recommend a good switch? Also this is just a side question but i also purchased a soundbar for the tv which is using HDMI Input #2 i was thinking of going with an optical cable to free up that port is there going to be a change in sound quality by switching from HDMI to Optical?

post #5566 of 6830
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Originally Posted by jdoren1990 View Post

Hello

I just purchased a S60 maybe 2 weeks ago so far i love this tv the only downside i have found is there isnt enough HDMI ports for me. I was thinking about purchasing a HDMI switch vs having to keep switching cables back and forth from one thing to another. I'm just hesitant to get a switch because i do not want to sacrifice picture quality. Is this usually a problem when adding a switch to your setup and can anyone please recommend a good switch? Also this is just a side question but i also purchased a soundbar for the tv which is using HDMI Input #2 i was thinking of going with an optical cable to free up that port is there going to be a change in sound quality by switching from HDMI to Optical?

Just got this switch Kinivo 501BN Premium 5 port High speed HDMI switch with IR wireless remote and AC Power adapter - supports 3D, 1080p a few days ago. Works great. No loss in Picture quality. The switch will detect the most recent active input and switch to it automatically so you don't need to manually choose the input although you can if you want to.

http://www.amazon.com/Kinivo-501BN-Premium-wireless-adapter/dp/B0049SCB2Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1386120405&sr=1-1&keywords=kinivo+hdmi+switch
post #5567 of 6830
Correct me if I'm wrong but HDMI switchers being digitally shouldn't affect image quality at all.. as far as audio I'd imagine optical is better than HDMI, but I'm not sure.. doubt unless you're a hardcore audiophile you'll notice.
post #5568 of 6830
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Originally Posted by KOF View Post

Just finished Borderlands on this TV yesterday. Nope, I still can't get over the nasty motion on 30fps games. Cartoony graphics like Borderlands seem to perform the worst with phosphor lag. I will have to try to avoid 30 fps games as much as possible. I have no complaints with 60 fps games mostly.

30fps games on any HDTV will result in frame doubleing. It's freakin' awful there's no doubt about it. Gamers playing on an LED/lCD probably don't even notice it since it's being hid my motion smearing, but on a plasma? it's noticeable all right. Thank god for nintendo, since 95% of their games these days are locked in at 60fps.
post #5569 of 6830
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

I honestly don't think a new one will help, as 2800 hours is not that long for a TV. I bought a new 60S60 and returned it to Amazon because of the overall dim picture. I tried all the setting recommendations in this thread, but to no avail. I was coming from a 2007 Toshiba 50HP66 plasma, which was able to achieve a fairly bright, contrasty picture and had minimal ABL that I could perceive. The biggest problem with the S60 is the aggressive ABL, which limits the light output whenever there is a screen with mostly white or bright content. In that circumstance, the screen will have a light gray tone, and any faces on the screen will be sort of dull looking.

So, I have ordered a 60ST60 because it has the brightest output of any of the current Panasonic plasmas, and significantly more than the S60. My hope and intention is that it will have a bright and contrasty enough image to live with, since I did research LED TVs for about a month and just could not find one I thought would satisfy me, short of going with the $2500 Sony KDL65W850A.

Where does that leave the Sammy 8500? Price tag must be turning you off, because that sounds like the TV for you....and me. tongue.gif
I'm with you on the dim picture though in regards to the S60. I've maxed the contrast to 100, Brightness to '0', Panel brightness to MED with gamma to 2.4 and it's still not bright enough....However, raising the AGC to '1' makes a noticeable difference and gives the picture a nice boost in brightness. Raising it too much just destroys color detail and makes the picture look more artificial. So that's what i've stuck with. Here's hoping sammy releases a 60" plasma next year with little input lag and a super bright picture like the 8500.
post #5570 of 6830
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Originally Posted by TheAnswer_03 View Post

Well I got the 60ST60 two weeks ago which is similar enough to the S60 minus the filter. I too was underwhelmed at first until I made sure Eco mode was Off, CATS was Off and I was no longer in Standard picture mode. I put the tv into Home Theater mode and upped the Contrast and Sharpness a bit which is plenty bright and crisp. Forza 5 on the Xbox One looks incredibly bright and clear. I'm blown away.

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

I honestly don't think a new one will help, as 2800 hours is not that long for a TV. I bought a new 60S60 and returned it to Amazon because of the overall dim picture. I tried all the setting recommendations in this thread, but to no avail. I was coming from a 2007 Toshiba 50HP66 plasma, which was able to achieve a fairly bright, contrasty picture and had minimal ABL that I could perceive. The biggest problem with the S60 is the aggressive ABL, which limits the light output whenever there is a screen with mostly white or bright content. In that circumstance, the screen will have a light gray tone, and any faces on the screen will be sort of dull looking.

So, I have ordered a 60ST60 because it has the brightest output of any of the current Panasonic plasmas, and significantly more than the S60. My hope and intention is that it will have a bright and contrasty enough image to live with, since I did research LED TVs for about a month and just could not find one I thought would satisfy me, short of going with the $2500 Sony KDL65W850A.

Thanks for the replies. Still on the fence here and considering just going with a 60 inch Samsung 5500 series since I've had a good experience with 2 previous Samsung plasmas. Any other input is appreciated as well.
post #5571 of 6830
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

I honestly don't think a new one will help, as 2800 hours is not that long for a TV. I bought a new 60S60 and returned it to Amazon because of the overall dim picture. I tried all the setting recommendations in this thread, but to no avail.

As long as you disabled CATS in the two places it needs to be disabled to fully disable it, then if the picture was too dim it was too dim and you made the right call returning it. I too find the S60 a bit dim (or at least it doesn't go quite as bright as I'd prefer). Though I'd say it would only need to be about 5-10 fL. brighter to fully satisfy me, which isn't very much.
post #5572 of 6830
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post


Where does that leave the Sammy 8500? Price tag must be turning you off, because that sounds like the TV for you....and me. tongue.gif
I'm with you on the dim picture though in regards to the S60. I've maxed the contrast to 100, Brightness to '0', Panel brightness to MED with gamma to 2.4 and it's still not bright enough....However, raising the AGC to '1' makes a noticeable difference and gives the picture a nice boost in brightness. Raising it too much just destroys color detail and makes the picture look more artificial. So that's what i've stuck with. Here's hoping sammy releases a 60" plasma next year with little input lag and a super bright picture like the 8500.

and an affordable price.

post #5573 of 6830
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

As long as you disabled CATS in the two places it needs to be disabled to fully disable it, then if the picture was too dim it was too dim and you made the right call returning it. I too find the S60 a bit dim (or at least it doesn't go quite as bright as I'd prefer). Though I'd say it would only need to be about 5-10 fL. brighter to fully satisfy me, which isn't very much.

I was not aware there are TWO places in which one can disable CATS. I only noticed one place where I turned it off, and the picture got much brighter. And I'm hoping the ST60 will give me that 5-10 fL you spoke of! smile.gif
post #5574 of 6830
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Where does that leave the Sammy 8500? Price tag must be turning you off, because that sounds like the TV for you....and me. tongue.gif
I'm with you on the dim picture though in regards to the S60. I've maxed the contrast to 100, Brightness to '0', Panel brightness to MED with gamma to 2.4 and it's still not bright enough....However, raising the AGC to '1' makes a noticeable difference and gives the picture a nice boost in brightness. Raising it too much just destroys color detail and makes the picture look more artificial. So that's what i've stuck with. Here's hoping sammy releases a 60" plasma next year with little input lag and a super bright picture like the 8500.

Yes, I forgot to mention the 8500. I saw one that looked great, but it's even pricier than the Sony 65W850A. I'm trying to stay below $1500.
post #5575 of 6830
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

I was not aware there are TWO places in which one can disable CATS. I only noticed one place where I turned it off, and the picture got much brighter. And I'm hoping the ST60 will give me that 5-10 fL you spoke of! smile.gif

Yes, there are two places needed to fully turn all CATS off. If you only did it in one place, you didn't fully turn off CATS. That was probably why the set was too dim. Too late now. Oh well, the ST60 is even better than the S60.
Edited by RWetmore - 12/3/13 at 7:51pm
post #5576 of 6830
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

Yes, there are two places needed to fully turn all CATS off. If you only did it in one place, you didn't fully turn off CATS. That was probably why the set was too dim. Too late now. Oh well, the ST60 is even better than the S60.

Interesting. Do you know if there are two places to turn off CATS on the ST60? If so, I dang sure want to turn them both off before forming any opinion on the ST60.
post #5577 of 6830
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

Interesting. Do you know if there are two places to turn off CATS on the ST60? If so, I dang sure want to turn them both off before forming any opinion on the ST60.

I don't know for sure, but I would guess there are two places for the ST60 as well. Hopefully someone here can confirm.
post #5578 of 6830
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

sending 60p to the set is the workaround to this issue, and if you have a good BD player, it can easily handle the 2:3 pulldown needed to convert 24p content to 60p output for the TV
you are right about the stuttering being hard to see outside of the scrolling text found on end credits.. but simply knowing that makes me want to send only 60p to this set


I hear you, however you can't do it when you use the set for streaming.


Ian
post #5579 of 6830

Hello, everyone. I'm totally new to the world of great quality TV, and I need your help :)

 

I just bought myself a Panasonic P50S60 based on reviews all around the net, especially CNET's, to replace a LG 42" LED.

 

The TV is hooked to a Yamaha HTR-4065 receiver. Hooked up to the receiver are my PS4 and my Roku 3.

 

I've been looking and trying some calibration setups, but I'm not very happy with it. In fact, it looks a lot worse than my LG. My issues are:

 

1- Dim picture. It's almost like there's a sepia tone on it. What settings should I be toying with?

 

2- When I play FIFA 14 on the PS4, every time the camera pans around, there's A LOT of motion blur/ghosting on the players (I can almost see two players and weird colored lines around them). I haven't tried other games yet.

 

3- My Roku's menus/interface, and the TV in general, look soft. The colors seem lifeless for lack of a better word. The same happens on the PS4 to a lesser extent.

 

Any suggestions/advice?


Thank you!

post #5580 of 6830
Just got mine last week it has an October build date and cats are off in both places as default.
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