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post #6181 of 6832
I am really enjoying the picture quality on my p50s60.

Been watching the Star Wars Blu Rays with my LG BD530 player via HDMI on Cinema Warm2(I can post detailed levels later) paired with my Onkyo sr303 5.1 system and it is fantastic.

The picture is amazing. 1080p on Star Wars Revenge of the Sith looks like the movie theatre!

For that I paid for this set (600!) I am extremely pleased.
post #6182 of 6832
Could someone provide a link to Fairchild99's S60 calibration that he mentioned back in March 2013? I found his May and July 2013 calibrations but would like to see his initial settings as well.

Thank you so much!
post #6183 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I thought I would chime in and offer my opinions on the advantages of the 50" S60 vs. the 51" F5300:

S60 Advantages:

Deeper blacks in dark scenes with better shadow detail in the darkest parts of the image

No floating blacks with normal and bright scenes

Whites are brighter when measured with standard 11% windows (~50 fL vs. ~35 fL)

Near perfect color with all gamut measurements without needing to use CMS

Native gamma response in Cinema mode is flatter/more linear

Minimal Input Lag


F5300 Advantages:

Clearer overall image, including fast motion

Looks significantly brighter with most content (most likely due to less aggressive ABL in bright scenes and with full fields)

IR goes away much faster and no issues with stubborn IR even though pixel shift/orbiter is disabled when in Screen Fit mode (1:1 pixel mapping/zero overscan) is used... the short term IR is visible at times but it goes away very quickly and easily (no need for scrolling bars, pixel flippers, or slides)

96Hz mode (4:4 pulldown) for 24p signals... called Cinema Smooth (which doesn't raise black level like with older Samsungs) and works correctly

More calibration controls like CMS for all six colors and 10-pt grayscale/gamma controls

Less color banding, especially with more compressed content

Line bleed appears to be milder

Overall video/image processing seems better

Input lag in Movie mode appears to be fine, at least with racing games (tried NFS Rivals on PS4 with no issues)

Stand swivels 10 degrees in each direction

Lighter by about 10 lbs and panel appears to be slimmer

Thanks for the report. So, having owned both which one do you prefer?
post #6184 of 6832
BTW, for the S60 what is the advantage of 'Cinema' mode over 'Custom' mode? I have always calibrated in Custom.
post #6185 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

Thanks for the report. So, having owned both which one do you prefer?
the S60 is best for blacks and shadow detail but the F5300 has a better picture overall with less ir issues
post #6186 of 6832

Hi, I need a bit of guidance with getting DLNA working correctly with my S60.

I have configured Windows 7 correctly, and it recognizes the TV as shown:

On the TV, when I go to Menu-Setup-Network-Network Link:


I notice that there's a MAC address, but no device name in the device list  (don't know if this is significant):

When I highlight the device as above and press the OK button, nothing happens.

 

It was an open box TV, so the sales person gave me a remote control for the ST60 model.

 

Doesn't have a Viera Tools button, but I thought highlighting the device from the list above and clicking OK would do the same thing.

Any suggestions on how to get the S60 to recognize my DLNA library?

Thanks very much!

post #6187 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

BTW, for the S60 what is the advantage of 'Cinema' mode over 'Custom' mode? I have always calibrated in Custom.

All settings being equal, the only difference I have found between the two modes is the color saturation, which is higher in Custom. Turning it down several clicks will render the same picture.

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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

the S60 is best for blacks and shadow detail but the F5300 has a better picture overall with less ir issues

Obviously, this is a very subjective topic. That being said, based on the reviews and what I have seen, I personally prefer the S60 due to it's better contrast and color accuracy. Also, I've had no IR issues at all with this set.

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Originally Posted by cali30us View Post

Hi, I need a bit of guidance with getting DLNA working correctly with my S60.
I have configured Windows 7 correctly, and it recognizes the TV as shown:


On the TV, when I go to Menu-Setup-Network-Network Link:




I notice that there's a MAC address, but no device name in the device list  (don't know if this is significant):


When I highlight the device as above and press the OK button, nothing happens.

It was an open box TV, so the sales person gave me a remote control for the ST60 model.



Doesn't have a Viera Tools button, but I thought highlighting the device from the list above and clicking OK would do the same thing.
Any suggestions on how to get the S60 to recognize my DLNA library?
Thanks very much!


Have you tried the manual registration setting? You may need to get the correct remote.


Ian
Edited by mailiang - 1/13/14 at 9:41pm
post #6188 of 6832
I'm sort of kicking myself for not getting the 60" Samsung F5500 I didn't KNOW that it dished out 37ms vs the S60's 34ms. The 5500 i hear is not only significantly brighter but it boast better motion as well which results in a crisper all around image. But i hear the color accuracy isnt quite on par with the S60's. Still, I'd rather take those other two benifits over slightly deeper blacks any day of the week. Damn! I could always sell my S60 if i truly wanted to and put it towards the F5550.

I wonder if any of these 2014 '1080p' LED's can match the black level performance and motion resolution of either set. Panasonic's 4k set can and more, but it costs $5000....eek!
Edited by WaveBoy - 1/13/14 at 10:12pm
post #6189 of 6832
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

I'm sort of kicking myself for not getting the 60" Samsung F5500 I didn't KNOW that it dished out 37ms vs the S60's 34ms. The 5500 i hear is not only significantly brighter but it boast better motion as well which results in a crisper all around image. But i hear the color accuracy isnt quite on par with the S60's. Still, I'd rather take those other two benifits over slightly deeper blacks any day of the week. Damn! I could always sell my S60 if i truly wanted to and put it towards the F5550.

I wonder if any of these 2014 '1080p' LED's can match the black level performance and motion resolution of either set. Panasonic's 4k set can and more, but it costs $5000....eek!

Until it's power supply blows in 6 seconds because its made by Samsung, and good luck getting them to fix it. It is your fault after all....
post #6190 of 6832
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

Until it's power supply blows in 6 seconds because its made by Samsung, and good luck getting them to fix it. It is your fault after all....

I'd risk it. wink.giftongue.gif
I was just watching Final Fantasy Advent Children and man....When things get fast this set blurs and blurs, the fight sequences don't look crisp at all. it's like the res drops below 240p....that's inconsistent Motion res for ya and extremely annoying. takes me out of the movie. Still, when things aren't moving beyond a snails pace(lol) the PQ looks amazing. tongue.gif Just out of curiosity how much better is the ST60's motion? The F5500 already has the S60 beat in this area.
post #6191 of 6832
Just set up my 50S60 today. Picture looks good out of the box, able to connect to network easily. I have windows on my left and I live in Florida, so I'll be dealing with sun (SE exposure). It's more reflective than my Panny PX80u, but that's 720 and I'm getting screen door effect. I'm only bothered by reflection when the tv is off.

Is it my imagination or does the picture seem to fluctuate (brighter-dimmer, vivid-less so)? I haven't calibrated the tv yet but the color seems to shift as well. (?)

I decided to try it out because I love plasma and this could be the last Panasonic plasma I'll get.

While my electric bill doubled with the 42px80u, I love the picture. I've gone thru Vizio LED's, Samsung LED's and a Sony. I'm keeping the Sony 40R450, and have one day to decide on the S60. Jan 15 is the last day I can return to BB.
post #6192 of 6832
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

I'd risk it. wink.giftongue.gif
I was just watching Final Fantasy Advent Children and man....When things get fast this set blurs and blurs, the fight sequences don't look crisp at all. it's like the res drops below 240p....that's inconsistent Motion res for ya and extremely annoying. takes me out of the movie. Still, when things aren't moving beyond a snails pace(lol) the PQ looks amazing. tongue.gif Just out of curiosity how much better is the ST60's motion? The F5500 already has the S60 beat in this area.

The movie was mastered at the PSP's native resolution originally and uses very agressive motion blur. The bluray version was rerendered at 1080p, but none of the assets were upgraded. The new CG using the FF13 CG engine looks much better.
post #6193 of 6832
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

I'd risk it. wink.giftongue.gif
I was just watching Final Fantasy Advent Children and man....When things get fast this set blurs and blurs, the fight sequences don't look crisp at all. it's like the res drops below 240p....that's inconsistent Motion res for ya and extremely annoying. takes me out of the movie. Still, when things aren't moving beyond a snails pace(lol) the PQ looks amazing. tongue.gif Just out of curiosity how much better is the ST60's motion? The F5500 already has the S60 beat in this area.

I guess I somehow missed the reviews that stated the S60's motion-handling was garbage. I remember CNET stating that the ST60 was better, but they didn't outright **** all over the S60, and from what I recall, no one did. Maybe I just wasn't paying close attention. I'm not a gamer anyway, and TV and movie content looks good on the S60 to me.
post #6194 of 6832
What does the bluetooth on the S64 do (not on the S60)?
post #6195 of 6832
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Originally Posted by ToonMasterTim View Post

I guess I somehow missed the reviews that stated the S60's motion-handling was garbage. I remember CNET stating that the ST60 was better, but they didn't outright **** all over the S60, and from what I recall, no one did. Maybe I just wasn't paying close attention. I'm not a gamer anyway, and TV and movie content looks good on the S60 to me.

The motion handeling isn't garbage by any means, it's not bad....but it's not up to speed with how good a plasma can really get. It's funny, my previous 2011 42" LG 720p plasma had noticeably better motion, i swear the blur was next to nothing on that set...all i recall seeing was a lot of dithering when swirling/rotating the camera around in a videogame. I didn't hold on to that one for long due it's crummy blacks. the S60? It blurs, nowhere near as bad as an LCD/LED, but it blurs and that's that. I'm very sensitive to it, but it's not really a deal breaker. Like i've mentioned before if lag weren't an issue i would of went with the 8500 or ST60, but alas gamers who demand low input lag are always screwed over with the mid range low tier sets.
post #6196 of 6832

We all do realize that this is an entry level plasma set, right?  Entry-level.  Compromises must be made and lived with.  I wish I had an Infinite Black Pro panel and 2500hz Sub-field drive... but I dont.  I could onyl afford so much tv.  But what I got is astounding when fed good quality HD source material.  

 

I watched Avatar using settings Moshock provided for Home Theater mode, and while it does increase the colors more than what is considered "accurate," it looked OUTSTANDING.  Could it have looked better?  Sure.. but it was no worse than what i saw in 3D when the movie was just released.

 

For what most of us paid for the S60 and S64, we got a good product that doesnt deserve so many complaints. 

 

On an unrelated note, i remember someone mentioning how no one watches tv with all white backgrounds, it isnt normal, yadda yadda... must not have a toddler.. my 2yr old son loves to watch the Sprout channel, for pre-schoolers.. at least HALF of their shows feature an ALL WHITE BACKGROUND with cartoon characters in the middle.. Wibbly Pig, Caillou, Sarah and Duck, Zou ... you wanna hear a plasma buzz?  feel some heat put off by that bad boy?  watch some of those shows.  But God forbid if i change the channel.. you can guess as to who runs my house...

post #6197 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

the S60 is best for blacks and shadow detail but the F5300 has a better picture overall with less ir issues

Earlier last year, my brother bought the F5300 at my recommendation. I tried to push him into an S60, but the price was going to be a bit higher and it wasn't released yet - and he wanted a new display then and there. I set up the F5300 for him using the Spears and Munsil disc, etc. and was pleasantly surprised at just how good it looked with material. Did you get to measure the MLL on the F5300?
post #6198 of 6832
Jasondjulian

We can drive ourselves crazy selecting the BEST tv. Unfortunately, I have certain constraints to what I can purchase: display area and cost of item. I've always thought Samsung plasmas to be brighter than Panasonics. My 2008 42PXOU is dimmer than the comparable 2008 Samsung plasma. However, I got a really good buy on a 50S60 at Best Buy - and it was the LAST at the Boca Raton store. Maybe I'm sentimental - I bought a part of history (yeah, right). I just find that I like the plasma "effect" more than LED at my price range. I have a Sony in my bedroom which is an LED and has a good picture, no frills, but the picture degrades unless you're right in front of it. The only drawback I've seen to the S60 is it's uber-glossy screen, but I can control the amount of light. Sure plasmas are heavier, hotter, more finicky, darker, etc. but untill 4000K becomes cost-feasible or the price drops for the higher-tier led's, I'm pleased with plasma.

By the way, has Samsung confirmed they will be continuing with plasmas in 2014 and beyond? I thought there was some question at the CES..
post #6199 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Earlier last year, my brother bought the F5300 at my recommendation. I tried to push him into an S60, but the price was going to be a bit higher and it wasn't released yet - and he wanted a new display then and there. I set up the F5300 for him using the Spears and Munsil disc, etc. and was pleasantly surprised at just how good it looked with material. Did you get to measure the MLL on the F5300?

0.004 fL on all black screen with black optimizer set to dark room... but it can float to much higher levels with normal and bright scenes (mid to high APL)
post #6200 of 6832
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

0.004 fL on all black screen with black optimizer set to dark room... but it can float to much higher levels with normal and bright scenes (mid to high APL)

Yup. Just like the F8500 which is why I had to return it (annoyed me badly in dark room) and went with the VT60.
post #6201 of 6832
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Originally Posted by shoreflor View Post

Jasondjulian

We can drive ourselves crazy selecting the BEST tv. Unfortunately, I have certain constraints to what I can purchase: display area and cost of item. I've always thought Samsung plasmas to be brighter than Panasonics. My 2008 42PXOU is dimmer than the comparable 2008 Samsung plasma. However, I got a really good buy on a 50S60 at Best Buy - and it was the LAST at the Boca Raton store. Maybe I'm sentimental - I bought a part of history (yeah, right). I just find that I like the plasma "effect" more than LED at my price range. I have a Sony in my bedroom which is an LED and has a good picture, no frills, but the picture degrades unless you're right in front of it. The only drawback I've seen to the S60 is it's uber-glossy screen, but I can control the amount of light. Sure plasmas are heavier, hotter, more finicky, darker, etc. but untill 4000K becomes cost-feasible or the price drops for the higher-tier led's, I'm pleased with plasma.

By the way, has Samsung confirmed they will be continuing with plasmas in 2014 and beyond? I thought there was some question at the CES..

Oh I agree with you.  I had some VERY serious constraints in what I could buy as well.  I spent just over a year researching HDTVs before buying one.. I would agree that I think Samsungs are brighter than Panny's.. however in the same tier models, I find the Panny's to have a slightly better overall picture quality. 

 

I sometimes see reflections in the glossy screen of my 55s60, but rarely does it bother me.  If I turn the lights off and close the blinds, there are no reflections.  It looks like the screen shots of ST and higher models I've seen posted on the forums.  The trick to PHENOMENAL PQ on the S60 is light control in the room.  I consider myself lucky to both have had the ability to afford ANY HDTV recently, but especially lucky that it is a Panasonic Plasma.

post #6202 of 6832
Right now I'm watching Les Miserables. It's interesting to compare the plasma picture with that of my Sony LED. Both great - but different! LED is definitely crisper and pops more, yet I think the plasma looks more real.

I checked with the Panasonic people to make sure they would support this product, which they said they would. However, the rep said they had already stopped manufacturing most if not all of the plasma models!
post #6203 of 6832
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Yup. Just like the F8500 which is why I had to return it (annoyed me badly in dark room) and went with the VT60.

with this TV I leave a bias light on at all times... with the S60, it performed best in total darkness
post #6204 of 6832
So YouTube doesn't work at all. It loads up to a white screen and pressing OK does nothing.
post #6205 of 6832
I read thru the complaints about the S60's popping noise, and it sounded familiar. Look at my entry from 2008 concerning the PX80u:

"I've had my PX80u for 2 weeks. I heard a popping sound whenever I turned the station which I thought was due to my hd cable box -scientific atlanta, Comcast. I had a Panasonic technician come over and he seemed to fix it. However it's back again in full force.

The customer service person said that they had heard about this in their training program.

It's irritating to say the least."


I had forgotten that. My S60 hasn't popped yet, so we'll see. I'm past the return date at Best Buy. Just in case, I'm keeping my 2008 plasma - no popping, anti-reflective screen, broken in, (but screen door). I'm also keeping the S60 box, plastic wraps etc. so that I can resell it.

Regarding the argument of anti-reflective screen degrading PQ, I placed my S60 next to my PX80u. For me, the S60 is somewhat brighter but there are other factors involved (e.g., calibration) that should be considered.
post #6206 of 6832
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Originally Posted by CanonFo View Post

So YouTube doesn't work at all. It loads up to a white screen and pressing OK does nothing.

I don't know what else to say other than mine has always worked fine. Maybe check and see if there is a software update available?
post #6207 of 6832
Likewise, my YouTube app works without issue other than the occasional crash. I use it almost daily, sending videos from my iPhone to the TV. Works great.
post #6208 of 6832
Hey all!

So I got my 65" s64 refurb from overstock, and glad to say its legit! Looks to have 0 hours on it. I have a few questions/observations. I'm currently using CNETs settings.

1. The colors, I'm coming from a vizio e series, and the colors are much more washed out on this set, especially on cable. I think I'm getting used to it, but any way to get them more saturdated? Even if it's at the expense of "accuracy"?

2. It's certainly dimmer, but I had a plasma before and I'll get used to it soon. Any good settings to make sure it stays on the. Brighter side?

3. Real question. For some reason on my HTPC it doesn't fill the whole screen, although all other sources do, anyone have experience with this? I'm assuming it's a PC issue, but wasn't sure if anyone else found this happened.

Thanks for all the help?
post #6209 of 6832
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Originally Posted by jwc13ac View Post

Hey all!

So I got my 65" s64 refurb from overstock, and glad to say its legit! Looks to have 0 hours on it. I have a few questions/observations. I'm currently using CNETs settings.

1. The colors, I'm coming from a vizio e series, and the colors are much more washed out on this set, especially on cable. I think I'm getting used to it, but any way to get them more saturdated? Even if it's at the expense of "accuracy"?

2. It's certainly dimmer, but I had a plasma before and I'll get used to it soon. Any good settings to make sure it stays on the. Brighter side?

3. Real question. For some reason on my HTPC it doesn't fill the whole screen, although all other sources do, anyone have experience with this? I'm assuming it's a PC issue, but wasn't sure if anyone else found this happened.

Thanks for all the help?

You will need to either set overscan to "on" in the tv's settings, or play around with the screen scaling settings in your graphics card driver on the HTPC.
post #6210 of 6832
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Originally Posted by ToonMasterTim View Post

I guess I somehow missed the reviews that stated the S60's motion-handling was garbage. I remember CNET stating that the ST60 was better, but they didn't outright **** all over the S60, and from what I recall, no one did. Maybe I just wasn't paying close attention. I'm not a gamer anyway, and TV and movie content looks good on the S60 to me.

I play games and watch action movie blu-rays on my s60 and have not seen any blur. Even something like Super Street Fighter IV which blurred like mad on my old Panny p42c2.
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