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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

Putting files on USB defeats the entire purpose of streaming in the first place. The entire point of it is to have instant access to your entire library at any location or on any device in your home. That is why it is used, and why it is important to people. Having to transfer your file onto a USB key, take it over to your TV, and watch it that way is not a replacement for this.

If I wanted perfect quality I would be watching the Blu-ray.


If I wanted to stream, I would go to Netflix. tongue.gif (There's also Popcorn, Crackle and other free movie sites). If I have to go through the trouble of downloading video files, it's just as easy to do it to my flash drive and insert it into my device (or my WiFi router for multiple viewing). Bottom line: to each his own.


Ian wink.gif
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

If I wanted to stream, I would go to Netflix. tongue.gif (There's also Popcorn, Crackle and other free movie sites). If I have to go through the trouble of downloading video files, it's just as easy to do it to my flash drive and insert it into my device (or my WiFi router for multiple viewing). Bottom line: to each his own.


Ian wink.gif

These are not mutually exclusive things we are talking about here. Netflix, especially Canadian Netflix does not have many of the movies and tvs I have in my personal collection. But for ones that it does, great! I love Netflix when they have what I want to watch.

The point I am trying to make about USB is that putting a file on a USB key and inserting it into your television is not a one time thing. It is certainly a workable way of doing it, but it is not convenient.

For example, what if you simply change your mind about what you wanted to watch? Then it's go behind the television (or router), take it to another room, stick the thing back into a pc, delete the old file, wait for the transfer of the new file, walk back to your television (or router), go behind the thing and insert it back.

That is a lot of faffing about just to watch something, more so than sticking a blu-ray into the player of your choice. If that is your preferred solution, great, all the power to you. But to me it would be a major pain.
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

These are not mutually exclusive things we are talking about here. Netflix, especially Canadian Netflix does not have many of the movies and tvs I have in my personal collection. But for ones that it does, great! I love Netflix when they have what I want to watch.

The point I am trying to make about USB is that putting a file on a USB key and inserting it into your television is not a one time thing. It is certainly a workable way of doing it, but it is not convenient.

For example, what if you simply change your mind about what you wanted to watch? Then it's go behind the television (or router), take it to another room, stick the thing back into a pc, delete the old file, wait for the transfer of the new file, walk back to your television (or router), go behind the thing and insert it back.

That is a lot of faffing about just to watch something, more so than sticking a blu-ray into the player of your choice. If that is your preferred solution, great, all the power to you. But to me it would be a major pain.

Like I said, to each his own. Many people download their library to a flash drive. Then they can choose any title they save, to watch it when they want it, and where they want it. In that situation there is no reason to delete and transfer new titles.

Ian
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Originally Posted by simonbsez View Post

I found a local store that has the 65-inch S60 for $1199. I'm replacing my 46-inch Samsung LN46D630 with something bigger because I sit 12 feet from the screen and the 46-inch is just too small. But I really like the PQ on the Samsung so I'm wondering if the S60 will still have the sharpness and lack of pixelation that the Samsung has. Do you guys think the S60 is a good move? I'm sort of on a budget.

I only have the p50s60 50" model but on this set all of my blu rays(the really well done ones anyway..) look like film to me. I was just watching Blade Runner 30th Anniversary Final Cut last night(its a 4k scan) and it looks like a theater picture. I still have the DVD copy as well and it looks well like a DVD in comparison(blurry/edge enhancements,etc) compared to the 1080p BD source.

Also I play xbox 360 games. Most of them are in 720p native and the Xbox upscans them to 1080p but they look sharp on this set.
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post


Putting files on USB defeats the entire purpose of streaming in the first place. The entire point of it is to have instant access to your entire library at any location or on any device in your home. That is why it is used, and why it is important to people. Having to transfer your file onto a USB key, take it over to your TV, and watch it that way is not a replacement for this.

If I wanted perfect quality I would be watching the Blu-ray.

 

 

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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post


These are not mutually exclusive things we are talking about here. Netflix, especially Canadian Netflix does not have many of the movies and tvs I have in my personal collection. But for ones that it does, great! I love Netflix when they have what I want to watch.

The point I am trying to make about USB is that putting a file on a USB key and inserting it into your television is not a one time thing. It is certainly a workable way of doing it, but it is not convenient.

For example, what if you simply change your mind about what you wanted to watch? Then it's go behind the television (or router), take it to another room, stick the thing back into a pc, delete the old file, wait for the transfer of the new file, walk back to your television (or router), go behind the thing and insert it back.

That is a lot of faffing about just to watch something, more so than sticking a blu-ray into the player of your choice. If that is your preferred solution, great, all the power to you. But to me it would be a major pain.

 

 

Streaming is not practical. Picture quality can degrade at any moment. This isn't all about you. It's about what's logical in general. Buy a laptop with hdmi, buy an hdmi transmitter, buy a 25+gb usb drive, or simply use a long active hdmi cable. If you're really that lazy to plug a usb drive into the side of a tv, that's your problem, but I suggested the best options above. 

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Streaming is not practical. Picture quality can degrade at any moment. This isn't all about you. It's about what's logical in general. Buy a laptop with hdmi, buy an hdmi transmitter, buy a 25+gb usb drive, or simply use a long active hdmi cable. If you're really that lazy to plug a usb drive into the side of a tv, that's your problem, but I suggested the best options above. 

This isn't an issue of laziness, it is one of convenience. As for practicality, I must clearly be missing something because in my eyes having access to my entire media collection from any device on my network without me needing to do anything is pretty much the definition of practical.

I could do one or all of the things you suggested, but I have no need to. Media servers like Plex are so popular for a reason. When you are streaming a file without transcoding it, there is no quality loss as the file is not being being put through a codec. It does not vary either, your video is either playing or it is buffering, and my network being all gigabit wired, it never does the latter.

As well, I find it rather strange you condemn streaming video so much due to potential picture quality degradation , yet you keep suggesting a wireless HDMI solution. These by nature must compress and decompress the signal to send it over the air, degrading quality. Also being wireless, it is prone to the usual issues that accompany wireless streaming, potentially degrading at any moment as you put it, leading to lower frame rates or signal drop outs.

Cheers.
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post

That would be it.

Unforuneately still not getting sound via HDMI.
post #6368 of 6829
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Originally Posted by xenon9887 View Post


This isn't an issue of laziness, it is one of convenience. As for practicality, I must clearly be missing something because in my eyes having access to my entire media collection from any device on my network without me needing to do anything is pretty much the definition of practical.

I could do one or all of the things you suggested, but I have no need to. Media servers like Plex are so popular for a reason. When you are streaming a file without transcoding it, there is no quality loss as the file is not being being put through a codec. It does not vary either, your video is either playing or it is buffering, and my network being all gigabit wired, it never does the latter.

As well, I find it rather strange you condemn streaming video so much due to potential picture quality degradation , yet you keep suggesting a wireless HDMI solution. These by nature must compress and decompress the signal to send it over the air, degrading quality. Also being wireless, it is prone to the usual issues that accompany wireless streaming, potentially degrading at any moment as you put it, leading to lower frame rates or signal drop outs.

Cheers.

 

You're in your own world. Take a step out of your bubble of unnecessary streaming and open your eyes to better solutions. I'll keep repeating myself and you will keep saying how you want to 'stream' your entire media collection. Ever heard of an HTPC?? I myself, find it "rather strange" that one time you say "very limited amount of quality loss" from streaming, then you say "there is no quality loss". Btw, I dont know what you're talking about, how an hdmi transmitter compresses and decompresses the signal... There are many hdmi transmitters that send UNCOMPRESSED hd signal. The DVDO Air, the Vizio XWH200, the Rocketfish RF-WHD200, and finally the IOGEAR GW3DHDKIT which is the best out of the four and all send uncompressed signal. Good hdmi transmitters themselves are rather expensive and they are A LAST RESORT.

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Originally Posted by oechikr View Post

You're in your own world. Take a step out of your bubble of unnecessary streaming and open your eyes to better solutions. I'll keep repeating myself and you will keep saying how you want to 'stream' your entire media collection. Ever heard of an HTPC?? I myself, find it "rather strange" that one time you say "very limited amount of quality loss" from streaming, then you say "there is no quality loss". Btw, I dont know what you're talking about, how an hdmi transmitter compresses and decompresses the signal... There are many hdmi transmitters that send UNCOMPRESSED hd signal. The DVDO Air
, the Vizio XWH200
, the Rocketfish RF-WHD200
, and finally the IOGEAR GW3DHDKIT which is the best out of the four and all send uncompressed signal. Good hdmi transmitters themselves are rather expensive and they are A LAST RESORT.

This is clearly going nowhere, I enjoy streaming my media collection, and you seem to have a personal vendetta about doing so.

I will say that you appear to be correct about some new HDMI streamers sending uncompressed video, which was not the case when I last looked into them. Thanks for the updated information. Too bad so many people have issues with them as little as 15' away. Hopefully they continue to improve their signal integrity over distance.

I hope you enjoy your suggested solutions, as I am certainly enjoying mine.

Cheers.
Edited by xenon9887 - 1/28/14 at 9:26am
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I am having mixed success with playing video files from an external HDD attached via USB.  I have a 2 TB LaCie drive with folders of various movies and dvds ripped into mp4 and mkv (less than half full).  I had problems with mkv made from Makemkv. I would get the picture but no sound, and it was also the case when I played them from a smaller flash drive, but done in Handbrake played fine.  These files also played fine on the computer so it is the Media Player.  I just made mp4 files from all my home video dvds and the media player has trouble loading them, or stops after a few minutes and says "Can't Read File".  Same with movies, but other files like tv shows and smaller mp4 files play generally OK.  Is this a limitation others have seen with the built in Media Player and/or the USB route?  Would it be better to attach the HDD to a Roku or WD Live box?  I thought of a NAS but I can't get a wired connection to the tv and don't think wireless streaming would be reliable.

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I am having mixed success with playing video files from an external HDD attached via USB.  I have a 2 TB LaCie drive with folders of various movies and dvds ripped into mp4 and mkv (less than half full).  I had problems with mkv made from Makemkv. I would get the picture but no sound, and it was also the case when I played them from a smaller flash drive, but done in Handbrake played fine.  These files also played fine on the computer so it is the Media Player.  I just made mp4 files from all my home video dvds and the media player has trouble loading them, or stops after a few minutes and says "Can't Read File".  Same with movies, but other files like tv shows and smaller mp4 files play generally OK.  Is this a limitation others have seen with the built in Media Player and/or the USB route?  Would it be better to attach the HDD to a Roku or WD Live box?  I thought of a NAS but I can't get a wired connection to the tv and don't think wireless streaming would be reliable.

The best solution for streaming by far is to use a a PC to do the playback. Since the media players on PCs will play pretty much any codec, they will usually make it through an iffy file without issue where a built-in app will choke on them. They are just more resilient that way.

My usual work flow is try it on my ps3 first, if that chokes try the built in app on the s60, if that chokes I mutter to myself and hook up my laptop and have that play the network file. This is last on my list since all my HDMI ports are full, so I have to go behind the set and switch hdmi cables manually. I really need to bite the bullet and get an hdmi switch.

I should say though that the dlna streamer on the ps3 handles id say about 90% of my files without issue, so I don't have to do this very often.
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Originally Posted by Zcars View Post
 

I am having mixed success with playing video files from an external HDD attached via USB.  I have a 2 TB LaCie drive with folders of various movies and dvds ripped into mp4 and mkv (less than half full).  I had problems with mkv made from Makemkv. I would get the picture but no sound, and it was also the case when I played them from a smaller flash drive, but done in Handbrake played fine.  These files also played fine on the computer so it is the Media Player.  I just made mp4 files from all my home video dvds and the media player has trouble loading them, or stops after a few minutes and says "Can't Read File".  Same with movies, but other files like tv shows and smaller mp4 files play generally OK.  Is this a limitation others have seen with the built in Media Player and/or the USB route?  Would it be better to attach the HDD to a Roku or WD Live box?  I thought of a NAS but I can't get a wired connection to the tv and don't think wireless streaming would be reliable.

 

How I have external hdd setup is:

 

From my external hdd via usb 3.0 to my laptop. Then from my laptop playing the .mkv files with WMP to my S60 via high-speed hdmi. Works perfectly without any problems, plus top quality.

 

And for my WMP to play .mkv I use CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack). Plays perfectly.

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I finally got a copy of the Disney WOW Blu Ray calibration disc. Threw it in last night to get some fine tuning and my settings are about where Fairchild was on this post.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/180#post_23099629

I think my contrast and color are slightly higher(+1 or 2) but most everything else is the same.
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My tv is in the bedroom so the computer is not really part of the equation. Agreed, it would be my preference but I am limited to HDD connected to tv. I just wonder if passing through another device via hdmi will be more stable. I suspect it will be. I still don't understand why the Makemkv files had no sound, but must be a limitation of the tv media player.
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My tv is in the bedroom so the computer is not really part of the equation. Agreed, it would be my preference but I am limited to HDD connected to tv. I just wonder if passing through another device via hdmi will be more stable. I suspect it will be. I still don't understand why the Makemkv files had no sound, but must be a limitation of the tv media player.

I get 5.1 DD audio from many MKV files when I use a flash drive on my set. Make sure your PC has been downloaded with all the proper audio codecs.


Ian
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TC-P42S60: I am wondering if others are experiencing issues with glitchy connections via HDMI, cable or aerial antenna. Every so often, the programmed over-the-air channels "disappear", and this is usually resolved by turning off the set or searching for the channels again. Similarly, the HDMI 1 connection (Blu-ray player) breaks "no signal" and then it appears again 10 secs or less later. Also have a laptop connected via the HDMI 2 input and this happens too. Is there a known issue with the back panel itself? Or is it just my set, which I got from Sears Outlet for a great price. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by cjtbergquist View Post

TC-P42S60: I am wondering if others are experiencing issues with glitchy connections via HDMI, cable or aerial antenna. Every so often, the programmed over-the-air channels "disappear", and this is usually resolved by turning off the set or searching for the channels again. Similarly, the HDMI 1 connection (Blu-ray player) breaks "no signal" and then it appears again 10 secs or less later. Also have a laptop connected via the HDMI 2 input and this happens too. Is there a known issue with the back panel itself? Or is it just my set, which I got from Sears Outlet for a great price. Thanks!

I've had my s60 since may and have never had any input issues at all. Considering you are having issues on multiple inputs I would guess there is in fact an issue with you set.

Have you tried using the Ferrite cores included with the set? Maybe you have too much interference in the vicinity.
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The set did not come with those cores. One appears to be attached to the power cord, unless the cord had it built in. Do you use these? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post


I get 5.1 DD audio from many MKV files when I use a flash drive on my set. Make sure your PC has been downloaded with all the proper audio codecs.


Ian

The problems I have had are only with mkv files made in Makemkv, and they play fine on my computer using VLC player.  Mkv files done in Handbrake also play normally on the tv, but are half the size of the Makemkv ones so I don't think there is a quality difference compared to mp4.  I am going to experiment more.  

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If i remember when unpacking my 55" S60, the ferrite cores for the cables are only used on 50" and lower models.. dont know why or what the difference is... but yeah.

 

 

SOOOOO... clearly we all chose the S60 or S64 for a reason, one or another... why don't we have an Official Panasonic S60/S64 Pictures thread?  That way the non-believers can see that we too have fantastic PQ on our value level sets.  

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If i remember when unpacking my 55" S60, the ferrite cores for the cables are only used on 50" and lower models.. dont know why or what the difference is... but yeah.


SOOOOO... clearly we all chose the S60 or S64 for a reason, one or another... why don't we have an Official Panasonic S60/S64 Pictures thread?  That way the non-believers can see that we too have fantastic PQ on our value level sets.  

I think some where along the line this thread morphed into the "picture thread" for us lowly s60 folk...wink.gif
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Originally Posted by jasondjulian View Post

If i remember when unpacking my 55" S60, the ferrite cores for the cables are only used on 50" and lower models.. dont know why or what the difference is... but yeah.


SOOOOO... clearly we all chose the S60 or S64 for a reason, one or another... why don't we have an Official Panasonic S60/S64 Pictures thread?  That way the non-believers can see that we too have fantastic PQ on our value level sets.  

I think that wold be cool, but pictures show nothing about the picture quality of your set so I am not sure what it would prove.
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A lot of HTPC talk here going on which is 90% of my viewing habits, I'm even typing this sitting on my lazy boy 6 feet back on my 60inch with just a simple usb keyboard/mouse extension instead of throwing money at wireless. I've been doing it for many years but yeah if you can run it through HDMI through the computer that is the way to go especially hooked up through a receiver . I had the 50 inch Panasonic U2? (2010 model) and it was fine but this television has a more features for HTPC. It's a snap to set your vid card to 4:4:4 (Full RGB) mode using non-standard through the television. Just a tip though, use MPC-HC 32 bit using MadVR for the best quality. There are many guides out there but this is decent and it's easier to setup now that the lav filters are built into MPC: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1357375/advanced-mpc-hc-setup-guide
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I think that wold be cool, but pictures show nothing about the picture quality of your set so I am not sure what it would prove.

 Well if the Kuro people think its worth it.. I figured we could do the same.  Just because we didnt pay the price of a good used car for our televisions doesn't mean we should be relegated to having "crappy cheap tv's"

 

I've been going through the Kuro picture thread.. and Urga posted some very convincing Kuro v. ST60 pics.. with the proper exposure and f stop the pictures can indeed show a good picture from a fantastic one.  

 

it was just a thought.

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Originally Posted by xx2000xx View Post

A lot of HTPC talk here going on which is 90% of my viewing habits, I'm even typing this sitting on my lazy boy 6 feet back on my 60inch with just a simple usb keyboard/mouse extension instead of throwing money at wireless. I've been doing it for many years but yeah if you can run it through HDMI through the computer that is the way to go especially hooked up through a receiver . I had the 50 inch Panasonic U2? (2010 model) and it was fine but this television has a more features for HTPC. It's a snap to set your vid card to 4:4:4 (Full RGB) mode using non-standard through the television. Just a tip though, use MPC-HC 32 bit using MadVR for the best quality. There are many guides out there but this is decent and it's easier to setup now that the lav filters are built into MPC: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1357375/advanced-mpc-hc-setup-guide

Hmm, I had trouble with my wireless keyboard and mouse for my HTPC at about 10 feet away. Maybe if I should try a 10-15 foot usb extension. However, I haven't gotten my MythTV HTPC fully functional yet in order to drop cable and the DVR which I'm paying $160 a month for ($110 over just the Internet, which is really all I need).
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Are you using Bluetooth wireless kb and mouse, or is it standard RF?  most bluetooth wireless devices can go about 30ft or a smidge more without loss of signal. 

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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Hmm, I had trouble with my wireless keyboard and mouse for my HTPC at about 10 feet away. Maybe if I should try a 10-15 foot usb extension. However, I haven't gotten my MythTV HTPC fully functional yet in order to drop cable and the DVR which I'm paying $160 a month for ($110 over just the Internet, which is really all I need).

For what it's worth I've been using a Favi and it works 10-15 feet away through walls:

http://www.amazon.com/FE01-BL-Wireless-Keyboard-Mouse-Touchpad-Black/dp/B003UE52ME

It's definitely not viable for PC gaming or heavy work, but it definitely does the trick for casual use, especially given the price.

If anyone has suggestions on similar products I'd love to hear them. The trackpad is less than stellar on the Favi.
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Originally Posted by jasondjulian View Post

Are you using Bluetooth wireless kb and mouse, or is it standard RF?  most bluetooth wireless devices can go about 30ft or a smidge more without loss of signal. 

It was some cheap Radioshack standard size wireless keyboard and mouse.

I don't think the S60/S64 has decent enough Internet capability to use it as a general purpose web browser and e-mail monitor without an HTPC. Most people want to be able to simply watch TV and do web browsing and e-mail as well.
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Originally Posted by jasondjulian View Post

 Well if the Kuro people think its worth it.. I figured we could do the same.  Just because we didnt pay the price of a good used car for our televisions doesn't mean we should be relegated to having "crappy cheap tv's"

I've been going through the Kuro picture thread.. and Urga posted some very convincing Kuro v. ST60 pics.. with the proper exposure and f stop the pictures can indeed show a good picture from a fantastic one.  

it was just a thought.

All I have to take pics is my iPhone so even though it looks amazing I don't think my iPhone camera is quite the tool to get that across.

I was watching my Lord of the Rings Extended BD box set. SOOO nice on this set!
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Originally Posted by MilkManX View Post

All I have to take pics is my iPhone so even though it looks amazing I don't think my iPhone camera is quite the tool to get that across.

I was watching my Lord of the Rings Extended BD box set. SOOO nice on this set!

No question. Watched Skyfall the other day and man did that look good. Especially the night time casino/gamehouse scenes, man do the deep blacks of these sets make those scenes pop.

Watching them on an LCD just doesn't hold up.
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