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post #691 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

The S60 cannot handle a 24p source signal correctly, which results in judder on the 60Hz setting; however, a 24p source signal is only beneficial for users with a working 24p mode on their TVs. The S60's 24p mode (48Hz) is useless as it has noticeable flicker.

In short, run your source signal at 60Hz and keep the TV's setting at 60Hz. This way the TV doesn't have to process a 24p signal and you can avoid juddering problems.

Cnet should really mention this elementary workaround in their reviews. They make the problem sound undefeatable.

Out of these devices, what outputs 24p? DirecTV HD DVR, Xbox 360, PS3, Stand-alone BDP? Just a stand-alone BDP, right? And what's the real benefit of outputting at 24p... movies are shot native in 24p? And if so, what does outputting them at 60hz really do to the picture?

I guess if I Game 50% of the time, watch DirecTV 40% of the time, and watch movies 10% of the time, should flawless 24p decoding really be that important to me?
post #692 of 6832
TC-65ps64 pictures

All pictures were taken during a slightly cloudy day

Bright room with lots of windows and natural light, the TV can be seen on the right side of the image





All blinds open with lamp on and reflected on screen


All blinds open with lamp on and reflected on screen


All blinds open with lamp on and reflected on bezel


All blinds open with lamp on and reflected on bezel


All blinds open with sliding door reflected on screen


All blinds open with sliding door reflected on screen


Blinds closed (except front door windows which don't have blinds) with lamp off


Blinds closed (except front door windows which don't have blinds) with lamp off


Blinds open with bright overhead light on
post #693 of 6832
eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif not sure what to say, shows some strong reflection when panel off but hmmmm

what mount are you using for that big sum biscuit?
post #694 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MarkAELSU View Post

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif not sure what to say, shows some strong reflection when panel off but hmmmm

what mount are you using for that big sum biscuit?


NVM Saw it was the S64.. might have to see if I can pick that sucker up
post #695 of 6832
siusommd2010, do you notice any reduced sharpness due to being the largest/65" screen?
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/18/13 at 5:03pm
post #696 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

And lastly what's your opinions on motion resolution? My ST30 had 800 lines with dejudder off, and this S60 has 700 lines. How critical is it to lose 100 lines of resolution, and do you think it's offset by the TV's technology being 2 years newer?
100 lines doesn't seem too much, you'd be hard pressed to notice the difference unless you had both sets side-by-side playing a test pattern or if you are getting a substantially bigger S60 (i.e. you may have had a 42ST30, and going to a 65S60). 700 isn't as high as I was hoping for, but it still should be plenty good, much better than any comparatively-priced LCD/LED TV, anyway. The decreased input lag will more than offset this for gaming. wink.gif


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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

The S60 cannot handle a 24p source signal correctly, which results in judder on the 60Hz setting; however, a 24p source signal is only beneficial for users with a working 24p mode on their TVs. The S60's 24p mode (48Hz) is useless as it has noticeable flicker.

In short, run your source signal at 60Hz and keep the TV's setting at 60Hz. This way the TV doesn't have to process a 24p signal and you can avoid juddering problems.

Cnet should really mention this elementary workaround in their reviews. They make the problem sound undefeatable.
DOH! I sort of forgot that some blu-ray players can output in different hz. Silly me. On that note, anyone know if the 2013 DMP-BD79 or 2011 DMP-BD110 has these options? Can't tell from online sources.

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Originally Posted by siusommd2010 View Post

TC-65ps64 pictures

All pictures were taken during a slightly cloudy day
Well the reflections are completely negligible when the TV is on, that filter is doing a good job compared to an S60. However, I'm surprised at how much it still reflects with the TV off. Thanks for posting, this will help a lot of people.
post #697 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MarkAELSU View Post

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif not sure what to say, shows some strong reflection when panel off but hmmmm

what mount are you using for that big sum biscuit?

Keep in mind that I was trying to accentuate the reflections for the pictures.

I'm using the same level mount cantilever mount that I used for my elite pro-111fd, they actually weigh about the same (~75 lbs).
post #698 of 6832
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The bad: Picture quality in bright rooms not as good as many other TVs; only two HDMI inputs; limited streaming content; consumes more power than LCD TVs.
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It's difficult to overstate how good of a deal the Panasonic S60 series represents. In a dark room its inky-deep black levels, accurate color, and perfect uniformity can make it look almost as good as flagship models that cost twice or three times as much. On the other hand its picture fades noticeably when subjected to bright lights, so if you can afford it, I definitely recommend stepping up to an ST60

I'm still liking my choice of the S64. I don't have any problems with his major drawbacks. The louver filter helps in light; my receiver covers HDMI switching; my HTPC and PS3 cover media(even though the included apps meet the needs for most with extra crap; and I'll swap some power usage for a better picture any day. It is just not worth the extra cost of the ST60 for me.

The only issue I really see is the video proccessing and 24p material. Since I have never had any issues on any of my others TVs with 24p, I don't expect this one to matter much either. My receiver may be able to handle a few of the issues with 1080i material.

Oh, and I hope 65" is not too big. I am moving into a new apartment in two weeks and will not be able to set the TV up before then, but with the rumors of limited supply, I just went ahead and purchased one. Worst case, I'll just slide the couch back a bit to make it work.smile.gif
post #699 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

siusommd2010,

I would appreciate it if you would post your impressions of picture quality, etc.

Do you notice any reduced sharpness due to being the largest/65" screen? Or put another way, what do you think the closest good viewing distance would be?

If you're a gamer, input lag impressions would be appreciated.

Thanks for posting all the pics!


If you pull up my old posts I give my impressions of the tv compared to my pro-111fd which should answer all of your questions.
post #700 of 6832
Wall mount for P65S60. Looking for a wall mount (would be nice it it also worked on a P60ST60 in case I exchange for it). From I understand the mount holes are not Vesa and are something like 800mm or something? Can anyone confirm this? I'm not seeing much info around. Looking a tilt wall mount, preferably under $60 (Looking at monoprice first). I just need to know what the hole pattern / spacing is.
post #701 of 6832
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Originally Posted by rvanderwerf View Post

Wall mount for P65S60. Looking for a wall mount (would be nice it it also worked on a P60ST60 in case I exchange for it). From I understand the mount holes are not Vesa and are something like 800mm or something? Can anyone confirm this? I'm not seeing much info around. Looking a tilt wall mount, preferably under $60 (Looking at monoprice first). I just need to know what the hole pattern / spacing is.



I'm using a vmpl50a-b1 sanus wall mount for the 65 s60. I paid 60 dollars for it from best buy as they matched the lowest online amazon price. Trouble is it's an exact fit, I mean it barely fit. It does a good job though and it's relatively low priced for the quality.
post #702 of 6832
Just got my s64 as well. Compared to my mit 65 DLP, this rig rocks!!!
post #703 of 6832
Does the S64 have the exact same firmware as the S60? And will it receive updates, just as the S60 will?

My fear is that if it has a proprietary firmware that it may be left in the dust when firmware upgrades are released, especially if it has a limited production run as rumored.

And is Costco really going to get the S64 or what's up?...
post #704 of 6832
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

Just how big of a difference is 40ms with the ST50 vs 32ms with the ST30 and perhaps S60? I'm assuming it's not worth sacrificing a little better picture quality of the ST50 for better input response of the S60? It seems extremely close and obviously nowhere near as bad as the ST60's reported input lag.

Basically nothing. No difference Only reason such a fuss is made over the ST60 is because of that potential 80ms or higher lag lag number is considered not good at all (100+ is downright bad). The difference you're talking about is basically nil for all but the ultra hardcore.
post #705 of 6832
@bamaboy1234@siusommd2010 I'm really digging the s64's ar filter vs the s60's no filter. Heck, even the s64 box is a whole lot nicer than the s60's plain brown cardboard box. It almost makes me want to take back the s60 and pick up the s64, but it's such a pain to go through all that trouble. Enjoy your new awesome sets.
post #706 of 6832
I'm looking to buy a s60 can't see it In person
Is there a silver bar on the bottom of the tv
How does that look
post #707 of 6832
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Originally Posted by bamaboy1234 View Post

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So what's with the $20 bill? Easter egg? smile.gif
post #708 of 6832
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Originally Posted by snowx800 View Post

I'm looking to buy a s60 can't see it In person
Is there a silver bar on the bottom of the tv
How does that look

Yes, across the bottom and across the top.
post #709 of 6832
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Originally Posted by snowx800 View Post

I'm looking to buy a s60 can't see it In person
Is there a silver bar on the bottom of the tv
How does that look

Yes, across the bottom and across the top.
post #710 of 6832
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Originally Posted by snowx800 View Post

I'm looking to buy a s60 can't see it In person
Is there a silver bar on the bottom of the tv
How does that look

Yes, across the bottom and across the top.
post #711 of 6832
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

So what's with the $20 bill? Easter egg? smile.gif

Haha, just a size comparison.
post #712 of 6832
Can someone tell me the difference between the S60/S64 and U50/U54?

I've been shopping for a 60" 1080p plasma, and originally, the LG 60PN6500 was the best deal at $900 (I've found it for as cheap as $800 + $61 tax at Microcenter) and all other 60" plasmas were hundred of dollars more. But yesterday I found a Panasonic TC-60PU54 on Amazon for $765.99 + $104.00 shipping, which ends up only $9 more. Yesterday I also found the TC-60PU50 at a local Walmart for only $700. Now that is over $100 cheaper than the LG. Consumer Reports rated the PQ of the 50S60 better than the 50PN6500, but I have no idea how the S50 compares. Does the U54 have a matte screen like the future S64 will? I posted these questions in the U50/U544 thread, but haven't received any response, and reading the last 25% of posts, so far, there is mostly only talk of calibration settings.
Edited by HDTimeShifter - 4/19/13 at 6:25pm
post #713 of 6832
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Can someone tell me the difference between the S60/S64 and U50/U54?

I've been shopping for a 60" 1080p plasma, and originally, the LG 60PN6500 was the best deal at $900 (I've found it for as cheap as $800 + $61 tax at Microcenter) and all other 60" plasmas were hundred of dollars more. But yesterday I found a Panasonic TC-60PU54 on Amazon for $765.99 + $104.00 shipping, which ends up only $9 more. Yesterday I also found the TC-60PU50 at a local Walmart for only $700. Now that is over $100 cheaper than the LG. Consumer Reports rated the PQ of the 50S60 better than the 50PN6500, but I have no idea how the S50 compares. Does the U54 have a matte screen like the future S64 will? I posted these questions in the U50/U544 thread, but haven't received any response, and reading the last 25% of posts, so far, there is mostly only talk of calibration settings.

Hi, I have a 60 u54 and a 50 u50. Both are Identical except the u50 has a thin silver lining running across the bottom frame. Everything else is the same, the u54 has a game mode unlike what some people were saying on the u50/54 thread. No the u54 doesn't have an ar filter It is identical in every way to the u50. I picked up my 60 u54 from sam's club for $798 so you may want to check them out as that price was firm. I think a better choice would be to get 60 s64 in my opinion as it has the ar filter.
post #714 of 6832
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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

@bamaboy1234@siusommd2010 I'm really digging the s64's ar filter vs the s60's no filter. Heck, even the s64 box is a whole lot nicer than the s60's plain brown cardboard box. It almost makes me want to take back the s60 and pick up the s64, but it's such a pain to go through all that trouble. Enjoy your new awesome sets.

My ST came in a plain brown box, not sure about yours..

post #715 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Out of these devices, what outputs 24p? DirecTV HD DVR, Xbox 360, PS3, Stand-alone BDP? Just a stand-alone BDP, right? And what's the real benefit of outputting at 24p... movies are shot native in 24p? And if so, what does outputting them at 60hz really do to the picture?

I guess if I Game 50% of the time, watch DirecTV 40% of the time, and watch movies 10% of the time, should flawless 24p decoding really be that important to me?
24p is only found in film sources; therefore, any device that can playback movies can potentially output at 24p. In your particular case, your standalone BDP player and PS3 have 24p options which can be overwritten with 1080p/60Hz output (they may already be set this way by default). The Xbox 360 has never had a 24p feature (use 1080p output with Display Discovery disabled). I cannot speak for your DirectTV HD DVR, but I have never come across a PVR/DVR that has a 24p option. 24p does not concern games.

Outputting the signal at 60Hz essentially converts the original 23.976 frames-per-second (24p) film source to a usable signal for 60Hz displays via something called 2:3 pulldown. Read more about it here.
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

DOH! I sort of forgot that some blu-ray players can output in different hz. Silly me. On that note, anyone know if the 2013 DMP-BD79 or 2011 DMP-BD110 has these options? Can't tell from online sources.
All Blu-ray players can do 2:3 pulldown.
post #716 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

My ST came in a plain brown box, not sure about yours..



Sweet, you got the ST. How is it? How is the ar filter?

Edited by OCMike80 - 4/19/13 at 10:20pm
post #717 of 6832
Wonder when I'll be able to buy the 50" s64? Cnet's review of the s60 was so positive besides lacking some features and inputs. The Primary PQ Issue was due to the lack of the ar filter. Sounds like the S64 will be the best bang for the buck easily! Too bad I don't know where or when or how much it will cost. Although, I'm assuming it will cost about the same as the s60 and be sold at Sam's club like the bigger 65".
post #718 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

My ST came in a plain brown box, not sure about yours..



bamaboy1234 posted some sweet pics of the s64. s60 plain brown box.
post #719 of 6832
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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

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Sweet, you got the ST. How is it? How is the ar filter?


Been running the prep slides since 8pm yesterday.. We'll see, can't wait find out biggrin.gif

I was gonna get the S, but it's in the living room w big bay window.. So I didn't want to risk it without the filter, especially since I'm coming over from the LCD/LED side..


Edited by Blu_One - 4/19/13 at 8:40pm
post #720 of 6832
started a thread but this thread gets more traction so here's what I posted:

I bought the P54S1 in August 2009, according to the spec sheet, it has the AR filter. The new P65S60 does not have an AR filter as I've been reading in this thread. I'm curious what/if the differences are in reflection and pic quality. How severe are they?

My TV is in a bright room though I have blinds but I still get some reflection during the day, not so much from lamps/lights.

My S1 has been great, I did get the grey level/black level rise or whatever it is called but it's not too bad and not too noticeable.

I have enough Amazon points to get the P65S60 outright, so I'd gain 11" and newer technology for basically free. The only thing I'm hesitant about is reflective glare. I can handle it now, though obviously prefer it not be there, as we watch TV mostly at nigh anyway. It only becomes a factor on Sat/Sun football/baseball/golf for me. I'm not sure I want to spend an extra $800 for the ST 65 just for AR. I don't need an all the bells and whistles TV as I run everything through my PS3 and Bose system anyway.

I only hop on AVS every couple of months so I was hoping someone who keeps up with all this technology can give me some insight on what to expect from the S60 vs my S1.
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