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post #751 of 6832
Can someone post pictures of their S60 like Sius did here in his post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/690#post_23223113

No one has the S60 in stock for me to look at and really am driving my self insane figuring out if I Should get the 60ST60 or the 65S60
post #752 of 6832
technically that was a S64, which is not the same as an S60 due to ar filter
post #753 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MarkAELSU View Post

technically that was a S64, which is not the same as an S60 due to ar filter

I know

thats why im asking for someone to do some of the same with their S60..

I currently have a 70" Sharp, im either going to get the 6560 or the 60 ST60 and im trying to figure out if its worth it to go even smaller with the ST60. So I'd like to see some pictures in a brighter room like he posted to compare.
post #754 of 6832
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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

Nice description, thanks El Matadurr! I hope you will indulge me for one more longer question. I was hoping the S-60 would wow my wife last night. But not only did we not get see one, but the BB Sales associate really got to my wife. He's like, no-no,you do not want a plasma. According to him, plasma tvs use more power (true), do not have superior picture quality (false), lack brightness, whites are grays, and have 1/2 the years of service as a LCD. He did all this by comparing an inexpensive samsung plasma to a pretty decent LED tv. So she's supporting my decision to buy a new tv and even agreed to increase the budget but really thinking that I should buy LCD, in her word, trust the locals not the internet. I do ammunition to address some of this, but could give me your take/reply? thanks buddy!
You need to see one for yourselves. The ST60 to me had the best PQ on the wall at BB. With the S60 being close behind, you have to figure out if the reflections off the S60 would be a bother for your particular viewing environment. Since you didn't see one, perhaps they had none and he was trying to sell you what he had. Was he comparing a 720P Samsung plasma as well? Hey, LCD/LED works for many people. It depends how discerning you are.
Edited by Inputlag - 4/20/13 at 1:33pm
post #755 of 6832
65PS64 arrived 04-30. Marvelous panel.
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/18/13 at 1:51pm
post #756 of 6832
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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

Nice description, thanks El Matadurr! I hope you will indulge me for one more longer question. I was hoping the S-60 would wow my wife last night. But not only did we not get see one, but the BB Sales associate really got to my wife. He's like, no-no,you do not want a plasma. According to him, plasma tvs use more power (true), do not have superior picture quality (false), lack brightness, whites are grays, and have 1/2 the years of service as a LCD. He did all this by comparing an inexpensive samsung plasma to a pretty decent LED tv. So she's supporting my decision to buy a new tv and even agreed to increase the budget but really thinking that I should buy LCD, in her word, trust the locals not the internet. I do ammunition to address some of this, but could give me your take/reply? thanks buddy!
Gotta love sneaky salespeople. I would tell you to just tell your wife "I know what I'm doing". That may not go over well. Try these stats:
  • CNET just reviewed it with 4 stars, with its price/performance ratio "making it one of the best values we've ever seen."
  • In a dark/dim room, a well-set up plasma will ALWAYS beat a similarly-priced LED/LCD in PQ
  • Whites are grays only when you watch white screens. Name one show that is nothing but a white screen. The display puts out good whites in normal content.
  • Supposedly, Panasonic plasmas are geared to last 30 years until they reach "half-brightness". That's more years than the TV will probably even be relevant (by that time, there will be mental projectors available, ala future-tech. haha).
Oh, and btw, plasma TVs always look terrible in the store, especially the showroom. If you see one in a closed off room (like in their studio room in the magnolia theater), you might see something better. Even then, you can't actually appreciate the PQ of a plasma until you get it set up right in a dim/dark room.
post #757 of 6832
My S64 version is also 2.206. The pedestal is roughly 25 X 14.
post #758 of 6832
Glad to know the firmware is the same.
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/18/13 at 1:51pm
post #759 of 6832
oops, duplicate post
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/4/13 at 11:13am
post #760 of 6832
Time-sensitive question. To anyone who has the 60S60 or 65S60, how tall and long is the box? Needing to see if a friend's SUV can hold it to make it worth borrowing. biggrin.gif
post #761 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

Time-sensitive question. To anyone who has the 60S60 or 65S60, how tall and long is the box? Needing to see if a friend's SUV can hold it to make it worth borrowing. biggrin.gif
I cant imagine theres a big difference so the dimensions of my 60ST50 box is 63x38x11.
post #762 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Can someone post pictures of their S60 like Sius did here in his post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/690#post_23223113

No one has the S60 in stock for me to look at and really am driving my self insane figuring out if I Should get the 60ST60 or the 65S60

Not speaking from picture quality but i saw the S60 yesterday and I was quite surprised how thick it is. It's as thick as my old 08 Sharp Aquos. Compared to my GT50 it's not thin at all, if that matters to anybody. I know picture and looks are the most important to me, with that said, I hope the ST60 is better looking and thinner, so I would wait and see them both. Although I'm sure they are both good in terms of picture quality.
post #763 of 6832
Hey Shady195, do you have a Sears nearby? I just came from a Sears that had
a 50S60, 50ST60 and a 55ST60 all next to eachother.
post #764 of 6832
Good to know. If seller's info is correct, 65S60 and 65S64 are 2.5" thick
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/18/13 at 1:51pm
post #765 of 6832
I don't see in the manual online that the S60/64 has the Panel Brightness setting like my 60ST30 did... I think I had to put it on 'Mid' to yield a bright enough picture to be satisfied. Can someone please let me know if the S60/64 has this setting or not? Thanks!
post #766 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

I don't see in the manual online that the S60/64 has the Panel Brightness setting like my 60ST30 did... I think I had to put it on 'Mid' to yield a bright enough picture to be satisfied. Can someone please let me know if the S60/64 has this setting or not? Thanks!

According to Cnets picture settings, the s60 has a panel brightness option.
post #767 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I cant imagine theres a big difference so the dimensions of my 60ST50 box is 63x38x11.
We were able to make it fit just right. Got a P60S60 running the D-Nice slides now. Man this thing is huge in a dorm room. wink.gif
Near-perfect uniformity, no lines/blobs so far, no stuck/dead pixels, no micro-cracks in the screen, but the dang thing does buzz pretty loud on the brighter slides. Comparative to size, it doesn't seem to do it any worse than my ST30 did with the slides.

P.S. Hhgregg gets some serious kudos. They had one in stock and practically held it all day until I got off work, then priced matched EastCoastTVs at $1099. Came out only $20 more than if I had bought it at Abt. Not too bad considering I got to inspect it in store and have a local return option. BestBuy loses this round majorly.

I can't help but think that pixel orbiter should be turned off during the slides. D-Nice says to leave all picture settings at default, but by default C.A.T.S. is enabled, and he says to turn that off. Hmm...
post #768 of 6832
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Originally Posted by -Gozer- View Post

According to Cnets picture settings, the s60 has a panel brightness option.

Weird why it's not in the manual at all though... Just to tame my paranoia, can someone double-check their S60/64 for this setting?

Also confirming - S60/64 does not have "fast-switching phosphors" correct? Is this just marketing, or is this a real-world beneficial feature?
post #769 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Weird why it's not in the manual at all though... Just to tame my paranoia, can someone double-check their S60/64 for this setting?

Yes, I have the setting on my P50S60. Panel brightness: low, mid, high. The default is mid.
post #770 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

We were able to make it fit just right. Got a P60S60 running the D-Nice slides now. Man this thing is huge in a dorm room. wink.gif
Near-perfect uniformity, no lines/blobs so far, no stuck/dead pixels, no micro-cracks in the screen, but the dang thing does buzz pretty loud on the brighter slides. Comparative to size, it doesn't seem to do it any worse than my ST30 did with the slides.

P.S. Hhgregg gets some serious kudos. They had one in stock and practically held it all day until I got off work, then priced matched EastCoastTVs at $1099. Came out only $20 more than if I had bought it at Abt. Not too bad considering I got to inspect it in store and have a local return option. BestBuy loses this round majorly.

I can't help but think that pixel orbiter should be turned off during the slides. D-Nice says to leave all picture settings at default, but by default C.A.T.S. is enabled, and he says to turn that off. Hmm...
Good deal. Glad you got it to its home. The pixel orbiter was a bit of an oversight. Later it was deemed that you can turn it off and it will make no difference. Seems like you noted that in your FAQ. tongue.gif
post #771 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Good deal. Glad you got it to its home.
There's a crazy story behind it. tongue.gif
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The pixel orbiter was a bit of an oversight. Later it was deemed that you can turn it off and it will make no difference. Seems like you noted that in your FAQ. tongue.gif
Yeah...I wasn't sure if Panasonic "improved" it in the 2013 models. I've got it on Auto (Off) now. I'll be immensely more valuable to this years' FAQ since I actually have a 2013 plasma now. biggrin.gif
post #772 of 6832
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

There's a crazy story behind it. tongue.gif
Yeah...I wasn't sure if Panasonic "improved" it in the 2013 models. I've got it on Auto (Off) now. I'll be immensely more valuable to this years' FAQ since I actually have a 2013 plasma now. biggrin.gif
Thats reassuring.
Whats the crazy story? You tie it to the roof with bungey cords? biggrin.gif
post #773 of 6832
I just ordered a 42" S60 yesterday! I would have preferred the ST60, but unfortunately the spot it has to go in would only allow for a 42". I am really looking forward to it as this is my first plasma! It is replacing a Toshiba HD CRT 4x3 aspect (not many HD CRT's made back in the day). I have AVIA and Spears and Munsil calibration disks that I have used to calibrate all my TV's (including my 110" front projection setup). I have been considering purchasing/renting a colorimeter and Calman software to calibrate the S60, however I am trying to decide if it will make that much of a difference. I can do all the basics of Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, Color, Tint, etc. with the Spears and Munsil disk. From the reviews it looks like the S60 tracks really close to the HD 709 spec colors out of the box. Looking at CNets before calibration grayscale results - it isn't terrible. So I am trying to determine if the investment (or rental) in a colorimeter and software would really be worth it? If I did purchase one I would be able to use it for other displays (like my projector), so I would get some additional benefits. Just not sure if it would make that much of a visible difference in the color and grayscale on the S60 to justify the $150-300 I would spend. Thoughts?

I know I can use the settings posted by CNet or the ones that D-Nice will post. I am just not sure about using settings from a different size panel (50" versus my 42") and in different lighting conditions. If the S60 came out of the box with really wacked out color and grayscale it would be an easy choice.
post #774 of 6832
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Originally Posted by jaleisure View Post

Hey Shady195, do you have a Sears nearby? I just came from a Sears that had
a 50S60, 50ST60 and a 55ST60 all next to eachother.

Yes I do, thanks for the tip, may head down there in the next day or two and check it out!
post #775 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Thats reassuring.
Whats the crazy story? You tie it to the roof with bungey cords? biggrin.gif
Not hardly! Hhgregg closes at 9 daily. I was out to eat with the folks and we got backed up to 7:30. We got the grand idea to stop by Hhgregg (without a suitable pick-up car) and go ahead and purchase it, just in case we couldn't come back. Got back to campus at 8:30, ran over to friend's house to measure his small SUV (very tight fit in the end), then headed out back to the store with 20 minutes left (Google maps clocks the route as taking 15 minutes). Arrived at store with a few minutes to spare, checked out the set for cracks with the store employee's help, and loaded it into car.

Drove about 5 mi/hr the whole way back, cringing at every bump we hit. My accompanying friend (pictured right) played loud music on the radio so we couldn't hear the styrofoam creaking. Got back on campus, up three flights of tight stairs, and eventually set the bad-boy up on a redneck stand (dresser...).

The screen is pretty much a mirror. Absolutely perfect for increased sharpness and excellent vertical viewing angles. Still a long ways to go on slides.

post #776 of 6832
Congrats on your new tv El Matadurr! Wow, what a mirror on the panel!!!! Look forward to reading your review when you're done with your slides. smile.gif
post #777 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

The S60 cannot handle a 24p source signal correctly, which results in judder on the 60Hz setting; however, a 24p source signal is only beneficial for users with a working 24p mode on their TVs. The S60's 24p mode (48Hz) is useless as it has noticeable flicker.

In short, run your source signal at 60Hz and keep the TV's setting at 60Hz. This way the TV doesn't have to process a 24p signal and you can avoid juddering problems.

Cnet should really mention this elementary workaround in their reviews. They make the problem sound undefeatable.

So if I want to watch 24p source without frame doubling or judder, I shouldn't get the S64 or S60? That is disheartening, as I hate 3D and thus don't want the ST60. I thought I had my choice narrowed down but now it sounds like the search may be back on. (My primary use is watching 24fps films.)
post #778 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

Is Costco really going to get the S64 models? Sams is the only retailer I can find that carries it so far...

my local costco, 20878 zip had 4 (3 now since I bought one) on the floor. So I can confirm that costco has carried them at some point. If your local stores don't, then Sams and the shipping is your only option if you must have the S64.
post #779 of 6832
Of which sizes?
post #780 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Of which sizes?

the 65" S64, box looks identical to the other one posted here (in color, not plain brown)
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