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post #841 of 6832
Is the S60 a direct replacement for the U50? Panasonic has so many damn model numbers that it's hard to tell what's what. I've found the 60U50 as cheap as $700, but the 60S60 sells for around $1200 (a whopping 50% more) and I don't see any deals for the S60 in the plasma deals thread.
Edited by HDTimeShifter - 4/23/13 at 7:26pm
post #842 of 6832
^yeah with the no. gradations & ffd,no ar filter or 3d, probably closest to it. Tough connecting direct replacements to last year though, & considering more feature overlap across these (especially s64) the new ones actually seem cheaper for initial pricing vs. closeout pricing, what you're comparing at this point.

what size were those? I know the s60 was under $700 at one point for the 50", if you're trolling the fat/slick forums.
post #843 of 6832
60 inch. While the cheapest 50" Panny, Samsung, and LG are all within $150 of each other (Consumer Reports quotes around $600) - that is close enough for me to pay the extra $ for a higher PQ set. But then when I look at 60" sets, CR lists LG 60PA6500 at $900, and I've seen the 2013 60PN6500 as low as $800 + $65 tax (and the 2012 60PA6500 at $700, but not in stock), and the 60S50 at $700. CR rates the 50S60 PQ superior to the 50PA6500 and I extrapolate that to the 60" models, but have no data on the U50. If the 60S50 is superior to the PA6500/PN6500, then I would almost get that but for lack of AR filter (my room has 4 large windows - 2 plus an upper level to vaulted ceiling on west wall 90 degrees to TV and 1 north offset facing the set - all covered with mini-blinds, but I do get mini-blind reflection while watching Sunday afternoon football on my 34" Sony XBR CRT - otherwise 95% of my viewing is after dark). Right now I'm holding off for the 60S64, but don't think it'll be under $1000 and don't want to pay 50% more just for an AR filter. One nice thing about the LG is that the stand swivels, so I could angle it towards me (either in the kitchen or dining table, both of which are opposite the 3 large west windows that I think the afternoon glare is from) during afternoon viewing - that would also make the viewing angle less.
Edited by HDTimeShifter - 4/23/13 at 7:54pm
post #844 of 6832
HDTimeShifter, only 50s64 and 65s64 exist. They're a very limited run too.
post #845 of 6832
I saw the 65S64 on Costco.com earlier today for something like $1599, but after entering my local store location, there aren't any Pannys or plasmas at all.
My CRT was shutting off more and more tonight, so I think it's going to die completely any time now and I am thinking of making a purchase tonight or by the weekend. I'll stop in the local Costco just down the street to see what's available and also check out the 60U60, which someone in the plasma deals forum said is on closeout and got it for only $413!

Does the AR filter degrade PQ in dark lighting? Has anyone compared the S60 and S64 side by side?
Edited by HDTimeShifter - 5/18/13 at 7:45am
post #846 of 6832
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$1599,
Isn't it $1450 at sams, the 65" s64?
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Does the AR filter degrade PQ in dark lighting?
Not to me, st > ut anyway, but I haven't seen any of the new models yet. SOme around here actually prefer UNfiltered, & claim the filter renders vertical viewing angles hampered, a softer image, even perceived black levels, any of that is hard to believe though. the st50 looks better than the ut50 to me, I'd assume the same for st60. Either way, with your lighting situation, unless you want to control it or sacrifice size & go st60, the 65s64 sounds like the one for you. I wish I had the space, viewing distance, & budget more than anything for the 65" s64. Seems like an obvious choice if you don't need 3d.
post #847 of 6832
would a 1080p blu ray look the same on the s64 compared to the st60? I am torn between the 65 inch s64 or the 60 inch st60. I know the st60 has the 2,500 Focused Field Drive, better blacks, more Shades of Gradation, and Calibration 10 point . Would those extra features make up for the 5 inch loss in size? I don't really care for 3d, just comparing the 1080p pic quality. I wish i can compare them both side by side but the s64 is online only at sams. oh and my viewing distance is 13 feet.
post #848 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Isn't it $1450 at sams, the 65" s64?
Not to me, st > ut anyway, but I haven't seen any of the new models yet. SOme around here actually prefer UNfiltered, & claim the filter renders vertical viewing angles hampered, a softer image, even perceived black levels, any of that is hard to believe though. the st50 looks better than the ut50 to me, I'd assume the same for st60. Either way, with your lighting situation, unless you want to control it or sacrifice size & go st60, the 65s64 sounds like the one for you. I wish I had the space, viewing distance, & budget more than anything for the 65" s64. Seems like an obvious choice if you don't need 3d.

Oh yeah, just looked it up and the S64 is online at Sams for $1448. Almost forgot about Sams. I got a flyer today to shop this Friday-Sunday without 10% non-member charge, but most of the items in the flyer are food related - anyone know if this non-member special is good on electronics? Also I forgot if in this thread or the U50 or budget deals thread I saw something about a deal (cashback?) with using Discover card online at the Panny site. My Discover renewal says I get a $100 cashback bonus if I make $1500 in purchases by May31 - which this TV would only require about $50 more in purchases.

The budget is the big issue. $1450 for the 65S64 v. under $800 for the LG 60PN6500 (or $700 for the 60U50) is almost double price!
post #849 of 6832
Hi kids, i decided it was time to join the party.

I was about to pull the trigger on the S60, but after reading this thread (and others) i have turned my focus to the 65S64. My room has a lot of natural lighting so the AR filter is a MUST HAVE if i go with a Plasma.

Anyone have any idea how long the S64s will be in-stock a Sam's Club. i heard on another forum it's going to be a short-lived limited production model. Is there any truth to this? Why I ask is because i'm closing on a home end of May, if it's gonna be limited i may just pull the trigger ASAP to guarantee my order...but i don't wanna have a 1/2 a billboard sitting in my apartment fully boxed up waiting for the move in about 30+ days...info, feedback and opinions are greatly appreciated.
post #850 of 6832
Is the 65S64 available at Sams both online and in-store, or only online? I would like to see it in person if they have a display model. If there's no tax for an online purchase, that would save me $122.
post #851 of 6832
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Is the 65S64 available at Sams both online and in-store, or only online? I would like to see it in person if they have a display model. If there's no tax for an online purchase, that would save me $122.

Any site will charge tax if they operate in your state.
post #852 of 6832
Any news on whether or not the TC-P65S64 has made it to Costco Canada?

I really want this TV but have no way to acquire it from the states as only Sams Club and Costco carry it. If we aren't getting it I may just buy a 60" ST60 from Sears in Maine (I am from New Brunswick).
post #853 of 6832
Just an update for everyone. I'll be including this in my review of the 60S60.

First off, I have about 10 hours left of slides right now. Reds, Greens, and Blues are all still bright and vibrant (especially when the lights are off). As I figured, all of the white/gray slides activate the ABL, with a very noticeable buzz. It's less loud than a pair of overhead fluorescent lights, but it's there. No big deal at all, especially since it doesn't do it on either of the three colors (though, notably, only a third of the phosphor is activated on those...).

I couldn't wait any longer to test the input lag on the set (and to see just how crazy a game on a 60-inch screen would feel). I popped in Halo 4 with the screen set to home theater mode (cinema was too dark, and I haven't inputted any custom settings yet), and can confirm that the set has no noticeable input lag, even for a 30fps offline game (played about 10 minutes of the "Infinity" level with lush greens and other vibrant colors). No objective tests yet (I didn't turn on/off any settings), but I don't feel like they're necessary. Going back and forth quickly with a (brand new) controller was just as responsive as it needs to be---so much so, that I feel it's more responsive than the Samsung syncmaster monitor I've been playing on. Granted, that's an LCD with piss-poor moving resolution, whereas the S60 shows each moving frame clearly and crisply (the effect is jarring being used to LCD "blur"), so that could be biasing my visual impressions.

Oh, and yes, the TV is still an effective mirror if there is any more than ambient light in the room. Keep that in mind.

More to come tomorrow, seems this set is going to do just fine (and then some) in a dark room.
post #854 of 6832
For those that have been using my calibration settings, finally bit the bullet and ordered a spectrometer (Colormunki Photo) and will then have a really accurate calibration. Will test my current settings to see just how far off my i1LT was (don't imagine it's off much from original since I've kept it in 2 ziploc bags with a desiccant), then will do a new calibration and post my results.
post #855 of 6832
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

For those that have been using my calibration settings, finally bit the bullet and ordered a spectrometer (Colormunki Photo) and will then have a really accurate calibration. Will test my current settings to see just how far off my i1LT was (don't imagine it's off much from original since I've kept it in 2 ziploc bags with a desiccant), then will do a new calibration and post my results.
Looking forward to the new settings! I'm probably going to end up using yours/CNET's since D-Nice is falling behind... rolleyes.gif
post #856 of 6832
Just thought I would share my settings for my 42S60. I started with cnet's then made some changes, trying to use my calibrated VT50 for reference.

Cinema
Contrast 83
Brightness -5
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 0
Color Temp Warm2

Panel Brightness Mid

R high 0
G high -8
B high 6

R low 0
G low 0
B low -6

R hue -1, sat 5, lum -8
G hue 4, sat -9, lum -4
B hue 3, sat 30, lum -10

Gamma 2.6

All other settings, same as cnet.
Edited by mnc - 4/24/13 at 5:34pm
post #857 of 6832
questioning my purchase of 65s60. I have a fairly high light room and the tv is very mirrored, getting a lot of reflection. The salesman still says that you can't beat a panasonic plasma even in high light rooms, but I'm contemplating returning it for a LED. Only had panasonic plasma before. Would an LED be any better for me?????
post #858 of 6832
Ok guys update from Oregon on the 65PS64:

The Costco in Eugene (97408) appears to be the only location that has OR WILL HAVE the S64 for the foreseeable future. The depot in Portland only received 6 units and they were all sent to Eugene. Price is, as reported, $1399.99. As of yesterday there are only 5 left.

I need a favor of anyone who already bought one of these, can you get me box measurements? I need to locate / borrow a vehicle to transport it from Eugene to my home in Portland but I need exact dimensions before I can pick the right one.

Thanks in advance,
MD

PS, I have a 57" Mits. DLP for sale wink.gif
post #859 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Robbie73 View Post

questioning my purchase of 65s60. I have a fairly high light room and the tv is very mirrored, getting a lot of reflection. The salesman still says that you can't beat a panasonic plasma even in high light rooms, but I'm contemplating returning it for a LED. Only had panasonic plasma before. Would an LED be any better for me?????
So, it is worse in this respect than any other plasma you have ever had before?
post #860 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Robbie73 View Post

questioning my purchase of 65s60. I have a fairly high light room and the tv is very mirrored, getting a lot of reflection. The salesman still says that you can't beat a panasonic plasma even in high light rooms, but I'm contemplating returning it for a LED. Only had panasonic plasma before. Would an LED be any better for me?????

That set does not have an IR filter so the salesman was just telling you what you wanted to hear. I wouldn't recommend that set in a bright room, how bout the Costco version the S64 it has a filter ?
post #861 of 6832
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Originally Posted by hapazoid View Post

Any news on whether or not the TC-P65S64 has made it to Costco Canada?

I really want this TV but have no way to acquire it from the states as only Sams Club and Costco carry it. If we aren't getting it I may just buy a 60" ST60 from Sears in Maine (I am from New Brunswick).

I am going to bump this. In case anyone missed it. Thanks.
post #862 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

Ok guys update from Oregon on the 65PS64:

The Costco in Eugene (97408) appears to be the only location that has OR WILL HAVE the S64 for the foreseeable future. The depot in Portland only received 6 units and they were all sent to Eugene. Price is, as reported, $1399.99. As of yesterday there are only 5 left.

I need a favor of anyone who already bought one of these, can you get me box measurements? I need to locate / borrow a vehicle to transport it from Eugene to my home in Portland but I need exact dimensions before I can pick the right one.

I've been paying attention to (and even measuring in one case) box dimensions since I have a compact wagon and want to make sure I can transport one home if they don't offer delivery. IIRC, most 60" sets are about 60" x 36" x 12". I thought I saw somewhere a 64 or 65" set box was about 67" long. My compact wagon can fit up to 60" cargo (maybe a few inches more if I push the front passenger seat forward and down - ok for a short drive), so I am also very interested in knowing the exact dimensions. I would think a regular size SUV would be able to fit it if I can't fit it in my wagon.
post #863 of 6832
Yes it is much more reflective and darker.
post #864 of 6832
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm in Ontario, Canada and doon't think our costco carries much in the larger panasonics.
I guess the comparatively priced alternative would be the samsung 65 6000. Picture quality would suffer but might be better in high lighting coditions.
post #865 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

Ok guys update from Oregon on the 65PS64:

The Costco in Eugene (97408) appears to be the only location that has OR WILL HAVE the S64 for the foreseeable future. The depot in Portland only received 6 units and they were all sent to Eugene. Price is, as reported, $1399.99. As of yesterday there are only 5 left.

I need a favor of anyone who already bought one of these, can you get me box measurements? I need to locate / borrow a vehicle to transport it from Eugene to my home in Portland but I need exact dimensions before I can pick the right one.

Thanks in advance,
MD

PS, I have a 57" Mits. DLP for sale wink.gif


I can't measure my box at the moment, but according to spec sheet here: http://shop.panasonic.com/docs/spec-sheet/2013/televisions/s64_series_spec-sheet.pdf

Carton Dimensions (W x H x D) 67.5” x 40.0” x 13.1”
post #866 of 6832
Looking on the website, what a novel concept! Thanks for the obvious help. The excitment over the new TV shorted out my ability to think, apparently.
post #867 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

Looking on the website, what a novel concept! Thanks for the obvious help. The excitment over the new TV shorted out my ability to think, apparently.

Haha, I fully understand.

Mine is still sitting in the box waiting for me to move. I couldn't hold out on it too long though, had to load up an episode from Netflix on it just to see what it looked like. Was not disappointed, even with streaming Netflix. Ordered my new center and TV stand last night, so I should be good to go when I get everything together and moved. The next thing I will maybe try is redoing my subwoofer, been wanting to do that for a bit, but it still does really well so I may not.



Also, can anyone confirm that this mount will work on the 65S64? http://www.amazon.com/Cheetah-Articulating-Bracket-Displays-Ethernet/dp/B000WL6YY8/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2LQRV4B9PNX7D&coliid=I2YX4GD979EVAT

Hole Pattern Coverage: Up To 28" Horizontal by 19" Vertical or VESA 100x100, 200x200, 300x300, 400x400 and 400x600

And the dimension sheet for 65S60 shows a mount of 27"(684mm) wide x 11.9"(300mm) high, so it looks like it will barely fit.
post #868 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

Ok guys update from Oregon on the 65PS64:

The Costco in Eugene (97408) appears to be the only location that has OR WILL HAVE the S64 for the foreseeable future. The depot in Portland only received 6 units and they were all sent to Eugene. Price is, as reported, $1399.99. As of yesterday there are only 5 left.

I need a favor of anyone who already bought one of these, can you get me box measurements? I need to locate / borrow a vehicle to transport it from Eugene to my home in Portland but I need exact dimensions before I can pick the right one.

Thanks in advance,
MD

PS, I have a 57" Mits. DLP for sale wink.gif

borrow an odyssey that is 02+ and you will be good. You only need to remove one 2nd row seat also.
post #869 of 6832
on another note, my sd card reader won't fit onto the S64 (no SD port), so I have to use an extender. The first day there were no issues, but on day 2, I noted that it lost connectivity a few times. Is this due to the extender or a function of trying to power the SD card at that length?
post #870 of 6832
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

I saw the 65S64 on Costco.com earlier today for something like $1599, but after entering my local store location online, there aren't any Pannys or plasmas at all.
My CRT was shutting off more and more tonight, so I think it's going to die completely any time now and I am thinking of making a purchase tonight or by the weekend. I'll stop in the local Costco just down the street to see what's available and also check out the 60U60, which someone in the plasma deals forum said is on closeout and got it for only $413!

Does the AR filter degrade PQ in dark lighting? Has anyone compared the S60 and S64 side by side?

you have a link? I was not able to find it on the costco website.
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