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post #961 of 6832
I come from a 9G Kuro background. I lost that TV in a divorce 3 years ago (the dog, too). The Kuro's PQ has totally spoiled me. I've had the 50S60 up and running for 3 days with CNETs settings. Since I don't have cable or OTA I'm only watching mp4 torrents (standard) and DVD rips. I've been a bit disappointed seeing mosquito noise. However, last night I viewed a 720p torrent. I was amazed at the PQ at this price point.

For those people supporting Square Trade warranties, please read the customer reviews at Amazon. They will scare you.
post #962 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Gary in NY View Post

For those people supporting Square Trade warranties, please read the customer reviews at Amazon. They will scare you.
You must scare pretty easy. Seems like for the most part people are pretty happy with them.
post #963 of 6832
I ended up returning the S60. In the end I decided I just couldn't live with all the posterization.

I'm going to wait for the ST60 to drop for Memorial Day and give it another try and hope it doesn't have all that crap in it. If it does I give up on these TVs and I'll stick with my old one that doesn't have all that garbage in it.
post #964 of 6832
I posted this in the other panasonic thread but am desperate for some assistance so i will post here as well:

So, ive had my Panasonic 60" s60 for almost a week now and am super happy with the TV. Mine does have an audible buzz but i am not able to hear it from where i view the TV even if the volume is muted. I am having one problem though and was really looking for some insight.

I have a cable box and PS3 being fed into a HDMI switcher. Then the HDMI switcher is plugged into a Darbee Darblet and into the TV. The problem i am having is that for some reason my PS3 input seems to cut in and out. When i power up the PS3 the TV will first say that i does not see a signal on the input. Then it will cut in and out between actually displaying the PS3, showing static, and showing a black screen stating it doesnt see a signal on the input. it will cycle between these three screens and no specific time interval but usually doesnt stay on any of the three for more than a few seconds. I cannot trace what is causing the issue and i think it has to be an incompatibility or something in the TV. I had this exact same set up working fine on a Vizio LED i temporarily had. I have also tried troubleshooting the issue by swapping out the HDMI cable but the issue remained. I know its not an issue with the PS3 because it will work when plugged directly in the TV. Also, i dont think the switcher is the issue because my cable box works and it is plugged into the switcher as well.

I would really appreciate any helpful input on this issue. Thank you in advance.
post #965 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Mannchild View Post

I posted this in the other panasonic thread but am desperate for some assistance so i will post here as well:

So, ive had my Panasonic 60" s60 for almost a week now and am super happy with the TV. Mine does have an audible buzz but i am not able to hear it from where i view the TV even if the volume is muted. I am having one problem though and was really looking for some insight.

I have a cable box and PS3 being fed into a HDMI switcher. Then the HDMI switcher is plugged into a Darbee Darblet and into the TV. The problem i am having is that for some reason my PS3 input seems to cut in and out. When i power up the PS3 the TV will first say that i does not see a signal on the input. Then it will cut in and out between actually displaying the PS3, showing static, and showing a black screen stating it doesnt see a signal on the input. it will cycle between these three screens and no specific time interval but usually doesnt stay on any of the three for more than a few seconds. I cannot trace what is causing the issue and i think it has to be an incompatibility or something in the TV. I had this exact same set up working fine on a Vizio LED i temporarily had. I have also tried troubleshooting the issue by swapping out the HDMI cable but the issue remained. I know its not an issue with the PS3 because it will work when plugged directly in the TV. Also, i dont think the switcher is the issue because my cable box works and it is plugged into the switcher as well.

I would really appreciate any helpful input on this issue. Thank you in advance.

Does it work if you take the Darblet out of the chain?  You need to make sure that Deep Color is turned off in the PS3 as that will not play nice with a Darblet.

post #966 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You must scare pretty easy. Seems like for the most part people are pretty happy with them.

Just saying.... I'm a Vietnam vet and did 20 years in prison. I don't think I scare easily.
post #967 of 6832
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

I ended up returning the S60. In the end I decided I just couldn't live with all the posterization.

I'm going to wait for the ST60 to drop for Memorial Day and give it another try and hope it doesn't have all that crap in it. If it does I give up on these TVs and I'll stick with my old one that doesn't have all that garbage in it.

to be honest...i've only noticed it on my high compression rips where its also noticeable on my tb display (amplified on a 65" does make it worse lol)

The only way to be sure though is to run the same files on all 3 displays with the same settings (S64/ST60/ZT60). Since I want a 65" TV...is it worth another 70% investment if we're removing it on the ST? The ZT i have no doubt is better...but it's a 250% extra investment.

To follow up on scooters observation and others:

I noticed in the store that the S64 has the same "polarized" effect at certain vertical angles to the tv that the ST60 also had. That said, my BB had the ST60 mounted practically to the ceiling so that combined with the fact that they weren't side by side made them harder to compare for me.
post #968 of 6832
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Does it work if you take the Darblet out of the chain?  You need to make sure that Deep Color is turned off in the PS3 as that will not play nice with a Darblet.

I changed this setting and then removed all hdmi cables and plugged them all back in and the problem seems to be solved. Thanks a lot for your help!
post #969 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

S64 has the Infinite Black Pro and filter as well. Basically it's a ST60 without the 3D and 10 point gamma control, and 2000 FFD instead of 2500.

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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

Hmmm, I thought it was 600 hz and I thought both the s60 and s64 had the infinite black filter. Now I'm feeling like I got ripped off.

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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

I stand corrected. It is 600 Hz.

...and they forgot to include the ST60's input lag.. wink.gif
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/4/13 at 11:02am
post #970 of 6832
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

I ended up returning the S60. In the end I decided I just couldn't live with all the posterization.

I'm going to wait for the ST60 to drop for Memorial Day and give it another try and hope it doesn't have all that crap in it. If it does I give up on these TVs and I'll stick with my old one that doesn't have all that garbage in it.




What is the best (or worst) type of slides/content examples to illustrate these effects?

(edit on polarization, it wouldn't matter)
post #971 of 6832
As of yesterday Costco in Los Feliz has (4) and Culver City has (12) here in Southern Cali if anyone is looking. (S64's)

I'm looking to replace my 65S1 with some newer tech and been following the S and ST forums closely. Weird that Best Buy has no 65S60 or 65ST60 on the floor only the 50's. I'm a big gamer so the input lag is a killer for me on ST. Wondering if that can be fixed in firmware on the STs since there have also been complaints about the menus being slow along with the Viera aps?!?

Lastly, I noticed a few of you have S1's as well......how does the S60/S64 compare more/less/same glare, deeper blacks, etc. (I know the S60 has no AR coating)
post #972 of 6832
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Originally Posted by robshdtv View Post

As of yesterday Costco in Los Feliz has (4) and Culver City has (12) here in Southern Cali if anyone is looking. (S64's)

I'm looking to replace my 65S1 with some newer tech and been following the S and ST forums closely. Weird that Best Buy has no 65S60 or 65ST60 on the floor only the 50's. I'm a big gamer so the input lag is a killer for me on ST. Wondering if that can be fixed in firmware on the STs since there have also been complaints about the menus being slow along with the Viera aps?!?

Lastly, I noticed a few of you have S1's as well......how does the S60/S64 compare more/less/same glare, deeper blacks, etc. (I know the S60 has no AR coating)

robshdtv,

I find the menus of my 55ST60 to be slow. Sometimes the delay is enough I think I mis-keyed, hit the key again and that puts me a step past where I wanted to be. It irritates me sometimes. I didn't find the menus to be a deal breaker, but it is annoying.

When I contacted Panasonic regarding input lag, after a lot of deflecting and some outright games being played by the rep, I think the rep got a bit angry that he couldn't just deflect the issue with a bunch of canned/off target PR BS and finally got kinda' blunt with me.

The rep finally told me that while a firmware upgrade "could" be done for the ST60, they have no plans of a firmware update - and if they do decide to do a firmware update for any reason, they absolutely do not intend to do anything to address input lag because they refuse to believe that anything is wrong. It is just fine as is. Just ask Panny.
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/4/13 at 11:03am
post #973 of 6832
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Originally Posted by robshdtv View Post

As of yesterday Costco in Los Feliz has (4) and Culver City has (12) here in Southern Cal[/B]i if anyone is looking. (S64's)

I'm looking to replace my 65S1 with some newer tech and been following the S and ST forums closely. Weird that Best Buy has no 65S60 or 65ST60 on the floor only the 50's. I'm a big gamer so the input lag is a killer for me on ST. Wondering if that can be fixed in firmware on the STs since there have also been complaints about the menus being slow along with the Viera aps?!?

Lastly, I noticed a few of you have S1's as well......how does the S60/S64 compare more/less/same glare, deeper blacks, etc. (I know the S60 has no AR coating)

That is weird, & not for me, but just curious to find out if are all 16 in your costcos are the 65", as that's been the only size reported so far out there in the s64.
post #974 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

robshdtv,

I find the menus of my 55ST60 to be slow. Sometimes the delay is enough I think I mis-keyed, hit the key again and that puts me a step past where I wanted to be. It irritates me sometimes. I didn't find the menus to be a deal breaker, but it is annoying.

When I contacted Panasonic regarding input lag, after a lot of deflecting and some outright games being played by the rep, I think the rep got a bit angry that he couldn't just deflect the issue with a bunch of canned/off target PR BS and finally got kinda' blunt with me. The rep finally told me that while a firmware upgrade "could" be done for the ST60, they have no plans of a firmware update - and if they do decide to do a firmware update for any reason, they absolutely do not intend to do anything to address input lag because they refuse to believe that anything is wrong. It is just fine as is. Just ask Panny.

I wasn't going to return my 55ST60 due to lag but an intermittent fault developed. So having a chance to reduce lag, I'm trying a PS64 this time.

Hoping Moonchilde will address whether he thinks a firmware update is "likely" to be aimed at input lag. He has had a lot more comms with Panny than I did. Have you read the ST60 input lag thread started by Moonchilde?

Here is a link to that thread for anyone who may wish to read it:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467481/official-st60-input-lag-thread

My communications with Panny are essentially over. There isn't anything they're going to do to address the problem and basically said I should take the set back. Of course, not failing to mention they believe they make high quality displays and pointed out review sites have said game mode drops the input lag, though ignoring that even though game mode drops it from 100 to 83 ms of lag that 83 is too high. Basically, it is what it is.
post #975 of 6832
Moonchilde, thanks for added input. Their position is pretty harsh, but at least you've cut through the PR nonsense. Their answer is "NO".
post #976 of 6832
When I called Costco I used their item number 86540 and the guy confirmed "65 plasma right?" He said it was completely random which stores would have them. My store near me has no clue when and if it will ever be available there. Crazy that some stores get stuff while others don't in the same chain. Makes you wonder what else we miss out on unless you did your homework......?

Yes getting Panasonic to admit there is an "input lag" problem would be a long shot. However firmware updates are always possible. Even the S1 had one or two if I can remember correctly. Just sucks that the ST series would have been the "go to" model to give you a little bit of everything and what's with only (2) HDMI inputs on the S60 series?!? I know most have an AVR that can switch but what if you don't. A gaming system, Cable (SAT), and bluray setup wouldn't be out of the norm nowadays.
post #977 of 6832
I have the TC-65PS64 and tried CNET's S60 settings, but they were too dark for me. I also tried some member settings from a few pages back, but again, they were too dark for me. The new "Home Theater" picture mode is fantastic. Currently I have it on that setting and just dropped the Contrast down to 82. Picture looks freakin' amazing to me, accurate or not. I was going to run my panel with 100 hours of slides, but I decided against it, as the last two times I've done that I haven't used D-Nice's settings anyways, as I always find them too dark. So in a nutshell, I clearly don't like a dark picture, so if anyone wants to share punchy picture settings for a mildly lit room, I'm all ears. smile.gif
post #978 of 6832
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Originally Posted by robshdtv View Post

A gaming system, Cable (SAT), and bluray setup wouldn't be out of the norm nowadays.

Just make sure your gaming system has blu-ray built in, such as the PS3, PS4, and new upcoming Xbox. wink.gif

While I agree they should have put 3 HDMI's in it, I realize they gotta make it more enticing to upgrade to the next model...

But lastly as you said, if you have an AVR, it doesn't matter anyways, which I happen to have, woohoo!!
post #979 of 6832
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Originally Posted by moshock View Post

I have the TC-65PS64 and tried CNET's S60 settings, but they were too dark for me. I also tried some member settings from a few pages back, but again, they were too dark for me. The new "Home Theater" picture mode is fantastic. Currently I have it on that setting and just dropped the Contrast down to 82. Picture looks freakin' amazing to me, accurate or not. I was going to run my panel with 100 hours of slides, but I decided against it, as the last two times I've done that I haven't used D-Nice's settings anyways, as I always find them too dark. So in a nutshell, I clearly don't like a dark picture, so if anyone wants to share punchy picture settings for a mildly lit room, I'm all ears. smile.gif

Since Home Theater has all the Pro settings locked out, I can only guess it has a different gamma setting that causes the picture to look brighter. I haven't used my meter with it at default, but it definitely has a different temperature, it runs much cooler at Warm1, probably around 7000k or higher. As a result the picture looks more blue so that also might cause the picture to look brighter. That and the actual Brightness setting at 0 is incorrect, you have too much detail and as a result the image will look a bit more washed out and you are missing the deep blacks that you'd have with an otherwise properly set Brightness. Oh and the Sharpness at 50 is way too high, will cause extra noise in the image, which is very apparent in fonts/text. The proper Brightness for the Home Theater with Contrast of 82 and everything else at default is -2 or -3 (difference is probably not noticeable on real content)

The Home Theater at default even is not a bad setting if you want it to look more LCD/LED like with exaggerated sharpness and a bit brighter picture. Though it will never reach the brightness of the Vivid mode biggrin.gif
Edited by fairchild99 - 4/27/13 at 10:38am
post #980 of 6832
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post



...and they forgot to include the ST60's input lag.. wink.gif

They made sure to carry over the ripples from the ST60 to the other models, reportedly. biggrin.gif Back to seriously (?), while the ripples on my 55ST60 look pretty bad at a steep angle with the panel OFF, darned if I can see the waves with any content on screen. For me, that means I don't care about the waves. I'll start looking at other large screen TV's when at the store, though, 'cause now I'm curious. Are any really FLAT with AR filter or not? At this moment, I seriously doubt it. I suspect the mirror glare of non filtered screens is just hiding it. For example: In an actual large mirror, we all know they have waves out the wazoo, right? I mean, it's cheap glass, not ground or lapped, IT'S WAVY. But ya' usually can't see it... due to the (wait for it)... GLARE.
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Originally Posted by jterp7 View Post

To follow up on scooters observation and others:

I noticed in the store that the S64 has the same "polarized" effect at certain vertical angles to the tv that the ST60 also had. That said, my BB had the ST60 mounted practically to the ceiling so that combined with the fact that they weren't side by side made them harder to compare for me.

So you see it to? I personally think its the specific AR filter they used for S64 that is somehow enhancing the rippling/prism effect. I have NEVER seen this before on any TV's, LED or other Plasmas, with or without AR filters. I started looking real close at the other TVs next to it, which were mostly LEDs with AR filters, and a Samsung 533 plasma, and I could not replicate with those TVs with what I was seeing with the S64. And to be able to see it with content playing....
post #981 of 6832
I thought the AR filter was the same on the S64 as it was on the ST60. Is it not?
post #982 of 6832
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Since Home Theater has all the Pro settings locked out, I can only guess it has a different gamma setting that causes the picture to look brighter. I haven't used my meter with it at default, but it definitely has a different temperature, it runs much cooler at Warm1, probably around 7000k or higher. As a result the picture looks more blue so that also might cause the picture to look brighter. That and the actual Brightness setting at 0 is incorrect, you have too much detail and as a result the image will look a bit more washed out and you are missing the deep blacks that you'd have with an otherwise properly set Brightness. Oh and the Sharpness at 50 is way too high, will cause extra noise in the image, which is very apparent in fonts/text. The proper Brightness for the Home Theater with Contrast of 82 and everything else at default is -2 or -3 (difference is probably not noticeable on real content)

The Home Theater at default even is not a bad setting if you want it to look more LCD/LED like with exaggerated sharpness and a bit brighter picture. Though it will never reach the brightness of the Vivid mode biggrin.gif

I'm currently rocking these settings:

Picture mode: Home Theater
Contrast: 82
Brightness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm1
Vivid Color: Off
CATS: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off

I understand this is probably not perfectly accurate picture, but I have some massive bay windows to the right of the TV that lets in a lot of light, and I need a brighter picture. I'm totally game for playing with settings. I have a Disney WOW calibration disc, but unfortunately it's at my buddy's house 2 hours away at the moment... so I'm just going by what looks pleasant to my eyes. Understand that I've only watched about 2 hours of content on it so far... but within those 2 hours I'm not seeing the need to change much, other than if I could get the blacks a bit inkier without sacrificing brightness, I'd be up for that. Flesh tones look good to me, grass in golf looks realistic, motion looks smooth (as my old ST30), and this AR filter is really good!
Edited by moshock - 4/27/13 at 10:53am
post #983 of 6832
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Originally Posted by scooter520 View Post


So you see it to? I personally think its the specific AR filter they used for S64 that is somehow enhancing the rippling/prism effect. I have NEVER seen this before on any TV's, LED or other Plasmas, with or without AR filters. I started looking real close at the other TVs next to it, which were mostly LEDs with AR filters, and a Samsung 533 plasma, and I could not replicate with those TVs with what I was seeing with the S64. And to be able to see it with content playing....

I don't think you understood my comment..it is the identical effect I see on the F8500 also. I'm referring to the complete elimination of image at certain vertical angles. When you back up in the store, you don't see it as much and at home, I never once noticed that effect since mine sits on top of a tv stand and is not mounted high up on a wall.
post #984 of 6832
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Originally Posted by scooter520 View Post


So you see it to? I personally think its the specific AR filter they used for S64 that is somehow enhancing the rippling/prism effect. I have NEVER seen this before on any TV's, LED or other Plasmas, with or without AR filters. I started looking real close at the other TVs next to it, which were mostly LEDs with AR filters, and a Samsung 533 plasma, and I could not replicate with those TVs with what I was seeing with the S64. And to be able to see it with content playing....

It is VERY visible on my 55ST60 - but I'm only able to see it with the panel turned off and at a steep angle. With content, haven't been able to see it.

edit: My 65PS64 arrived on 04-30-13. Though the ripply glass on the ST60 didn't seem to hurt content, glad to say the s64 has far less and shallower waves. YPWV, apparently.
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/4/13 at 11:05am
post #985 of 6832
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

I thought the AR filter was the same on the S64 as it was on the ST60. Is it not?

That is my understanding, too. Identical AR filter.
post #986 of 6832
Hi fellas is there any advice or settings you think would be good for in store testing?

Maybe you could help this thread out that I started...http://www.avsforum.com/t/1470244/plasma-shopping-settings-advice-thread-while-in-store
post #987 of 6832
Is this a glitch? I have a DVD running constantly in an Xbox to age the 50S60. It's HDMI'd to an Onkyo AVR. 3 times today I got a message that required me to press 'OK' on the remote or the TV would shut down. Twice I did not push the button and it shut down. When I turned it back on I got a message about HDCP not connected. So, basically, it lost the HDMI connection because of High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection. Anybody else seen this?
post #988 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Gary in NY View Post

Is this a glitch? I have a DVD running constantly in an Xbox to age the 50S60. It's HDMI'd to an Onkyo AVR. 3 times today I got a message that required me to press 'OK' on the remote or the TV would shut down. Twice I did not push the button and it shut down. When I turned it back on I got a message about HDCP not connected. So, basically, it lost the HDMI connection because of High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection. Anybody else seen this?

Maybe it's the Eco setting, go to the menu, then Setup, then Eco navigation and check the settings in there. It might be the Unselected device auto off or the No activity for 4 hours or No signal for 10 minutes settings, try changing those.
post #989 of 6832
Thanks for sharing the S64 sightings. In Utah, none of the Salt Lake Valley Costcos have the S64 yet. I'm told that they're waiting to clear out the 55" UT50s. The guy I talked to said they still had 20 in stock, so I might be out of luck here.
post #990 of 6832
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Maybe it's the Eco setting, go to the menu, then Setup, then Eco navigation and check the settings in there. It might be the Unselected device auto off or the No activity for 4 hours or No signal for 10 minutes settings, try changing those.

Thanks, I will give it a try and post the results.
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