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post #31 of 72
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Originally Posted by CaspianM View Post

I am not sure about e320i but typically vizio's are designed in the US and assembled in mexico. They use sharp panels like Sony and others.
AFA reliability and durability they are in line with others and customer service is rated amoungst the best.
You want bad customer service? Try Samsung and Panasonics.
Buying TV is a matter of luck. Some never break until you get get rid of them and othrs that will break and it has nothing to do with brand.

Where did you get the information that they use "Sharp panels just like Sony?" That's not accurate.
post #32 of 72
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

Where did you get the information that they use "Sharp panels just like Sony?" That's not accurate.

That's what I was thinking.
post #33 of 72
CaspianM,

I'm not sure about the other Vizio's, but the three E320i-a0's I bought and returned clearly said on the back that they were manufactured in China. All 3 had the same issue, with the Tv's becoming unresponsive to both the remote and the buttons on the side of the tv. Customer service had me reset the tv using their protocol, but this fix either didn't work or only lasted yntil the next time I turned on the tv. The customer service reps were always nice, but seemed ill informed. To the OP, good luck with your new tv!

Tom
post #34 of 72
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Originally Posted by Tpcorr View Post

CaspianM,

I'm not sure about the other Vizio's, but the three E320i-a0's I bought and returned clearly said on the back that they were manufactured in China. All 3 had the same issue, with the Tv's becoming unresponsive to both the remote and the buttons on the side of the tv. Customer service had me reset the tv using their protocol, but this fix either didn't work or only lasted yntil the next time I turned on the tv. The customer service reps were always nice, but seemed ill informed. To the OP, good luck with your new tv!

Tom

Thats 100% accurate, a Chinese Company called AmTran makes Vizio.
post #35 of 72
Thread Starter 
So far we love it.... My Direct TV seems to be an issue though, picture not as sharp...Its like a bit of pixelation, yet more boxy square looking. Some channels better than others and recorded programs not all that good. The HR34 is a buggy unit, this my second one now. All other sources, PS3,Xbox360, Blue Ray Player all look fantastic. So I know its the DTV source. Im going to try to go direct from DTV to TV see if that looks a bit better. If not try a new HDMI cable..... But based on past experience and with this new unit, im pointing fingers at it directly. As for the 3D, simply amazing. Coming from an active set, the war is over in my book on which is better.... Passive hands down wins.

What do you guys think, should i grab a square trade for 3 year warranty as they appear it begins the day I get it....Don't want to deal with Vizeo the first year if a issue occurs. I called Walmart, the warranty I got there is after manufactures warranty regrettably.

Thanks again guys for all your support. Bless

Dan
post #36 of 72
I read somewhere (might have been a pro review) that the Vizio e70 had a Sharp X-Gen 70" panel. Likewise, their passive 3D models have supposedly used panels sourced from LG. Sorry, I didn't bookmark any links.

It's not hard to believe though; 70" , and even 65" panels are not produced in numbers remotely comparable to 60" and below.

Nevertheless, even *IF* true, it's quite possible they used other panels as well, even within the same model lines. Samsung, for instance, has been known to do that.

For anything else, all bets are off. I'm inclined to believe they lean towards using the cheapest panels available, which would likely mean Chinese panels from TCL and/or BOE.
post #37 of 72
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Originally Posted by Datagg View Post

So far we love it.... My Direct TV seems to be an issue though, picture not as sharp...Its like a bit of pixelation, yet more boxy square looking. Some channels better than others and recorded programs not all that good. The HR34 is a buggy unit, this my second one now. All other sources, PS3,Xbox360, Blue Ray Player all look fantastic. So I know its the DTV source. Im going to try to go direct from DTV to TV see if that looks a bit better. If not try a new HDMI cable..... But based on past experience and with this new unit, im pointing fingers at it directly. As for the 3D, simply amazing. Coming from an active set, the war is over in my book on which is better.... Passive hands down wins.

What do you guys think, should i grab a square trade for 3 year warranty as they appear it begins the day I get it....Don't want to deal with Vizeo the first year if a issue occurs. I called Walmart, the warranty I got there is after manufactures warranty regrettably.

Thanks again guys for all your support. Bless

Dan

I'm not sure what your concern over Vizio Warranty is. But from what I've read on some of their other model threads (e series 60 and 70 inch), Vizio service has been fine. It seems like they typically send out someone they contract with locally to replace suspected bad component and if that doesnt fix, then ship a replacement. Fortunately I don't have direct experience with their service though. And I also have the 651.

Thanks
rick
post #38 of 72
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

That's what I was thinking.
here is FACT
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1458616/vizio-e601i-a3-repair
most of the comments here are based on Vizio from years ago. I heard the same thing when I bought a Samsung 36" CRT in 1999 and we all know what crap they are now..... rolleyes.gif
post #39 of 72
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Originally Posted by rickie View Post

I'm not sure what your concern over Vizio Warranty is. But from what I've read on some of their other model threads (e series 60 and 70 inch), Vizio service has been fine. It seems like they typically send out someone they contract with locally to replace suspected bad component and if that doesnt fix, then ship a replacement. Fortunately I don't have direct experience with their service though. And I also have the 651.

Thanks
rick

Rick, reading over there warranty..It appears to there discretion if and only if there is a serious issue they will come to the home & if they don't have the part to fix or cant do it at home its my responsibility to ship the item to them on my dime, then they will return it on there's. That just don't sound right to me. After all we aren't talking about a toaster here.

This is why I was wondering on the Square Trade deal, if i should get it as the Walmart extended would have me deal with Vizeo for the first year. My dime, to send to them and there discretion just don't sound right in my book. I didn't buy this unit to play Russian roulette with them if a situation occurs.
post #40 of 72
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

That rates tv's by pq, which any new tv is going to, or should have, very good pq. I've seen Vizios at Costco that looked really good. But pq is not really the issue with Vizios, it's reliability, quality of build, customer support, and robustness of firmware updates. Vizio was started in 2002 and has it's corporate headquarters in Irvine, CA but the sets are cobbled together in China.
And what TV do you fantasize is being built by good old boys in the USA???. I also posted a few posts back about Consumer reports reliability that Vizio was rated at 4%. granted panny's were rated 2% but consumer reports also stated that any "difference of less than 3% was meaningless". So I don't have any issues with buying a Vizio.Based on that, 98 out of 100 panny owners had no problems and 96 Vizio owners had no problems, so for the difference of $1000 dolars for the same basic product, I chose Vizio " So it seems that a few posters here have a major issue with them, so be it. I have no vested interest in Vizio beyond the fact that I bought a 70" at sams and a 42 " there too to replace some old tv's based on consumer reports reliability, quite a few online reviews and my own visual observations. as far as what I ended up with, I am very happy with the PQ. There was a poster earlier, hoozthatat, blasting anyone for owning a Vizio. I noticed he owns a LG 60PZ950 plasma, more power to you. But you want to blast Vizio, I just returned a 2 month old LG to sam's club because it had a "blotch on the screen & 50% of the time when I turned it on, there was no sound, I had to turn it on again to get sound. Bottom line, there is not 1 manufacturer out there without issues and not one that is made in the US of A, yes they may say assembled in USA but the boards & panels are made in China, Malaysia etc. Yes I have SOME reservations about Vizio, but I bought a 70" TV with a beautiful picture and got a Square Trades 5 year in home warranty for a total of $1700 (149 for the warranty through Vizio), WAY cheaper than anything out there not to mention just as good a PQ as anyone, and I sleep well at night knowing that I have nothing to fret about.
post #41 of 72
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

And what TV do you fantasize is being built by good old boys in the USA???. I also posted a few posts back about Consumer reports reliability that Vizio was rated at 4%. granted panny's were rated 2% but consumer reports also stated that any "difference of less than 3% was meaningless". So I don't have any issues with buying a Vizio.Based on that, 98 out of 100 panny owners had no problems and 96 Vizio owners had no problems, so for the difference of $1000 dolars for the same basic product, I chose Vizio " So it seems that a few posters here have a major issue with them, so be it. I have no vested interest in Vizio beyond the fact that I bought a 70" at sams and a 42 " there too to replace some old tv's based on consumer reports reliability, quite a few online reviews and my own visual observations. as far as what I ended up with, I am very happy with the PQ. There was a poster earlier, hoozthatat, blasting anyone for owning a Vizio. I noticed he owns a LG 60PZ950 plasma, more power to you. But you want to blast Vizio, I just returned a 2 month old LG to sam's club because it had a "blotch on the screen & 50% of the time when I turned it on, there was no sound, I had to turn it on again to get sound. Bottom line, there is not 1 manufacturer out there without issues and not one that is made in the US of A, yes they may say assembled in USA but the boards & panels are made in China, Malaysia etc. Yes I have SOME reservations about Vizio, but I bought a 70" TV with a beautiful picture and got a Square Trades 5 year in home warranty for a total of $1700 (149 for the warranty through Vizio), WAY cheaper than anything out there not to mention just as good a PQ as anyone, and I sleep well at night knowing that I have nothing to fret about.

I agree... I tossed and turned for a few days on what unit to get. I felt comfortable with the Vizeo. Still, like anything I want to stay on the cautious side. We here are extremely happy with the Vizeo, granted its only been a couple of days now but im feeling pretty good about it.
post #42 of 72
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

here is FACT
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1458616/vizio-e601i-a3-repair
most of the comments here are based on Vizio from years ago. I heard the same thing when I bought a Samsung 36" CRT in 1999 and we all know what crap they are now..... rolleyes.gif

That's the whole point. Vizio puts together their tv's from parts from multiple vendors who have rejected those parts for whatever reason or the original mfrs made design changes mid-production. The installation and QA/QC of the assembled sets isn't consistent nor are firmware upgrades, a lot of times, robust enough to cover hardware changes. There are Vizio's that have been trouble-free for years and that's great. But I think Vizio's push to be the dominant mfr has resulted in cutting quite a few corners to meet that goal. QC, reliability, support to name a few. But if you're satisfied with your Vizio then that's all that matters, and I really hope you have many trouble-free years.
post #43 of 72
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

And what TV do you fantasize is being built by good old boys in the USA???. I also posted a few posts back about Consumer reports reliability that Vizio was rated at 4%. granted panny's were rated 2% but consumer reports also stated that any "difference of less than 3% was meaningless". So I don't have any issues with buying a Vizio.Based on that, 98 out of 100 panny owners had no problems and 96 Vizio owners had no problems, so for the difference of $1000 dolars for the same basic product, I chose Vizio " So it seems that a few posters here have a major issue with them, so be it. I have no vested interest in Vizio beyond the fact that I bought a 70" at sams and a 42 " there too to replace some old tv's based on consumer reports reliability, quite a few online reviews and my own visual observations. as far as what I ended up with, I am very happy with the PQ. There was a poster earlier, hoozthatat, blasting anyone for owning a Vizio. I noticed he owns a LG 60PZ950 plasma, more power to you. But you want to blast Vizio, I just returned a 2 month old LG to sam's club because it had a "blotch on the screen & 50% of the time when I turned it on, there was no sound, I had to turn it on again to get sound. Bottom line, there is not 1 manufacturer out there without issues and not one that is made in the US of A, yes they may say assembled in USA but the boards & panels are made in China, Malaysia etc. Yes I have SOME reservations about Vizio, but I bought a 70" TV with a beautiful picture and got a Square Trades 5 year in home warranty for a total of $1700 (149 for the warranty through Vizio), WAY cheaper than anything out there not to mention just as good a PQ as anyone, and I sleep well at night knowing that I have nothing to fret about.

I didn't blast anyone for owning a Vizio. You're free to make your choice. But if somebody is asking my opinion, which is what this entire thread was about, I will NEVER recommend a Vizio.
post #44 of 72
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

That's the whole point. Vizio puts together their tv's from parts from multiple vendors who have rejected those parts for whatever reason or the original mfrs made design changes mid-production. The installation and QA/QC of the assembled sets isn't consistent nor are firmware upgrades, a lot of times, robust enough to cover hardware changes. There are Vizio's that have been trouble-free for years and that's great. But I think Vizio's push to be the dominant mfr has resulted in cutting quite a few corners to meet that goal. QC, reliability, support to name a few. But if you're satisfied with your Vizio then that's all that matters, and I really hope you have many trouble-free years.

I hope so. I initially joined this forum when I bought a refurbed Philips plasma in 2007 (turned out to have 14 hrs on it). I heard a lot of horror stories about them but had ZERO issues, a great tv. In fact one thing they have that nobody else does is an automatic aspect ratio that uses an algorithm that stretches the picture more at the edges & less at the center where you are focused on and it works great. People complain about Chrysler but I bought a Pacifica AWD in 2007 ( 2 months before they came out with the free lifetime power train warranty which they wouldn't grandfather me into) but I found a Chrysler dealer in Massachusetts that sold official extended warranties at a discount and got a lifetime bumper to bumper warranty for $1700 ( so once again I sleep well at night), and once again have had NO problems with the car so people can complain as much as they want about what they hear as far as reliability but look at what you get -vs- what you pay, you can buy a slightly more reliable panny for over $1000 more for an equivalent TV ( and as of lately they don't even sell a 70" LED yet which is the size Vizio I have , ... AND enjoy) or I can do what I did, buy the excellent PQ Vizio for well less than that and enjoy it and when the next Holy Grail comes out in 5 years I can buy it with the money I saved, your choice.
post #45 of 72
Oh, and as far as putting things from multiple vendors, my Philips plasma has a samsung panel in it and it was perfect as far as I could tall. Sometimes manufacturers sell parts like that to help their bottom line. The Vizios use Sharp panels and from what I see there is no problems with them.
post #46 of 72
Oh, and as far as using things from multiple vendors, my Philips plasma has a samsung panel in it and it was perfect as far as I could tell. Sometimes manufacturers sell parts like that to help their bottom line. The Vizios use Sharp panels and from what I see there is no problems with them as far as PQ
post #47 of 72
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

I didn't blast anyone for owning a Vizio. You're free to make your choice. But if somebody is asking my opinion, which is what this entire thread was about, I will NEVER recommend a Vizio.
Truce, Truce. You seem very strong about Vizio, why, is it, hear say or personal experience?
post #48 of 72
Well I was going to suggest that the OP wait for the Sony KDL-70R550A (70", 120Hz, Passive 3D) but he already bought the Vizio. IMO 73" to 65" is quite a drop, but more power to you if it doesn't bug you.
post #49 of 72
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Well I was going to suggest that the OP wait for the Sony KDL-70R550A (70", 120Hz, Passive 3D) but he already bought the Vizio. IMO 73" to 65" is quite a drop, but more power to you if it doesn't bug you.

It is indeed a big drop by the numbers.... yet when 9-10 feet away and the quality so much more than the other its not bad at all. 3D is so much better, picture and all... No more trails behind fast moving scenes etc.... Plus part of the decision was to sell the WD73 unit while it is still worth some money as Mitsubishi dropped out of the RPTV arena. I really wasn't ready to part with it so soon, yet the price is dropping so quickly I decided I needed to unload it before it goes down to nothing. With the TV, the Mits stand, IR blaster and 8 pairs of active glasses I will be able to recoup most or match the price for the Vizeo. That was the plan and the Vizeo was the only one that could achieve that goal. I honestly didn't think the Vizeo would be this good, I am pleasantly surprised to say the least. I would have no problems thus far recommending this to others. And as a bonus it put an end to the passive VS active war in my book... Night and day difference. The 3D is simply amazing. Watched a few netflix 3D stuff tonight and everyone loves it.
post #50 of 72
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

That's the whole point. Vizio puts together their tv's from parts from multiple vendors who have rejected those parts for whatever reason or the original mfrs made design changes mid-production. The installation and QA/QC of the assembled sets isn't consistent nor are firmware upgrades, a lot of times, robust enough to cover hardware changes. There are Vizio's that have been trouble-free for years and that's great. But I think Vizio's push to be the dominant mfr has resulted in cutting quite a few corners to meet that goal. QC, reliability, support to name a few. But if you're satisfied with your Vizio then that's all that matters, and I really hope you have many trouble-free years.

All manufacturers depend quite a bit on parts by other suppliers. Vizio is not alone. And I do not buy the notion that vizio buy substandard parts. Vizio most likely design the sets based on what is available or simply get them supplied by others such as Sharp in order to save. It is all speculation any way.
Regardless FW upfradeability has nothing to do with parts that are not "A" grade. I have no idea where you drawing your claims!

Bottom line: manufacturing QA are on par with each other now. The differences are not there. What you pay is for features, case design and brand name not duribility and/or QC.
post #51 of 72
There are obviously lots of varying opinions on what Vizio does, or does not do, from first hand knowledge to anecdotal information. That being said, I think everyone who participated kept it civil and didn't let the discussion get out of hand like it seems to do so often on AVS, even with strong opinions. Thanks all for "taking the high road", as one of our moderators has in his sig line.
post #52 of 72
Granted, years ago Vizio was the bargain basement TV but they have improved from what I have seen people say that have owned them. The couple times I called for info I got a LIVE american on the phone and they were very helpful. I have Philips plasma and had a Philips surround sound (which I had previous to the plasma. Problem was I only used the surround for movies or DVD's and when I turned the surround on or off it would turn the TV off too which I usually didn't want to do. I called them to see if there were any different code or what I could do about it and they basically said tough crap thats the way it is.
post #53 of 72
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

Truce, Truce. You seem very strong about Vizio, why, is it, hear say or personal experience?

I seem strong about Vizio because I am. I've never owned one, nor do I believe I ever will.
Edited by hoozthatat - 3/9/13 at 5:48pm
post #54 of 72
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

I seem strong about Vizio because I am. I've never owned one, nor do I believe I ever will.
the person posting this thread was looking for recommendations based on fact not baseless opinion. At least I have consumer report data and first hand experience to back my opinion, you have nothing?
post #55 of 72
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

the person posting this thread was looking for recommendations based on fact not baseless opinion. At least I have consumer report data and first hand experience to back my opinion, you have nothing?

So much for the civility of this thread. I too have first hand knowledge of a Vizio and I'm afraid that puts me in the same camp as hoozthatat. As far as CR goes, take that with a grain of salt. They are a good place to start but I would never base my decision alone on them. AVS is where you find out how well the sets actually perform in consumer homes after a period of time.
post #56 of 72
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

the person posting this thread was looking for recommendations based on fact not baseless opinion. At least I have consumer report data and first hand experience to back my opinion, you have nothing?

I have a brand history. I have countless articles and etc. that note the QC issues of Vizio.

The OP wanted opinions, he received opinions. You don't have facts. You have CR. Spew all the nonsense you want about Vizio, they're a cheaply made, "value" oriented, Chinese brand who doesn't care about the quality of their products. Enjoy yours, and I hope everyone else that buy's one does the same. But don't mention Vizio in the same breath as Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Sharp, Sony, or Toshiba.

And to the OP, enjoy your FP!
post #57 of 72
Thread Starter 
I would ask the mod to close this thread if it gets hostile.... It was indeed civil, now its getting a bit out of control. I appreciate all the help and suggestions, took them all in and decided on the Vizeo. We love it, thus far working and looking fantastic. We all have our opinions yet lets keep it civil please.
post #58 of 72
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Originally Posted by Datagg View Post

I would ask the mod to close this thread if it gets hostile.... It was indeed civil, now its getting a bit out of control. I appreciate all the help and suggestions, took them all in and decided on the Vizeo. We love it, thus far working and looking fantastic. We all have our opinions yet lets keep it civil please.

Actually I think all that's been said has been said so we should just move on to other subjects. Enjoy your Vizio and congrats on getting a new tv.
post #59 of 72
Sorry if I came across hostile, not my intention, apologies if it was taken bad.

hoozthatat,

I was basically asking what data you had, you seemed to imply it was just opinion, do you have some articles / links you can give here? I am still within the return period (90 days) and would appreciate anything you could refer me to.
post #60 of 72
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

Sorry if I came across hostile, not my intention, apologies if it was taken bad.

hoozthatat,

I was basically asking what data you had, you seemed to imply it was just opinion, do you have some articles / links you can give here? I am still within the return period (90 days) and would appreciate anything you could refer me to.

http://hdguru.com/vizio-disposable-hdtv-sellers-do-they-have-your-back/5596/

http://hdguru.com/disposable-tvs-vizio-tells-owners-their-sets-are-un-repairable/5485/

http://hdguru.com/an-hdtv-by-another-name/5657/

http://www.techlicious.com/blog/un-repairable-vizio-tvs-leave-customers-out-of-luck/

Just a few. Again, I don't care what anyone says, they aren't even in the same arena as the top-tiers.
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