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post #31 of 259
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

That's not what I said at all. What I said was in the post you quoted. I never once said anything about any sort of "censorship-free forum."

What you said is that people moved onto other sites because they couldn't bear the censorship. So, what other sites? I'd like to know.

Or are you saying that they've moved onto sites on completely unrelated topics and given up on home theater, essentially taking their ball and going home?

Maybe that's the case, but what I think you're forgetting is that most people aren't belligerent jerks who need to be moderated (or "censored"). Not everyone, but most people can carry on a conversation without launching into abusive personal attacks. The ones who can't behave themselves, and may have fled for other pastures, are fairly few in number - though of course they do tend to be the most vocal and prolific of posters, so their absense may be felt more than others'.

In any case, I have to side with the apathy explanation. Outside of forums like this, I don't know many people in real life who give a flying crap about home theater. Some may own Blu-ray players, but relatively few movies. They just aren't passionate about things like this.
post #32 of 259
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

What you said is that people moved onto other sites because they couldn't bear the censorship.
Again, that's not what I said. What I said is what's in the post that you responded to. I simply agreed with Dex's post and added my belief that "inconsistent, heavy-handed control/censorship is not usually what people are looking for in a discussion forum." Note the descriptive terms, bolded for your convenience, that preceded the words "control" and "censorship."
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

So, what other sites? I'd like to know.
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

And before you ask again, no I'm not going to start listing the other forums here, for obvious reasons.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Maybe that's the case, but what I think you're forgetting is that most people aren't belligerent jerks who need to be moderated (or "censored").
I agree. Hence my comment about "inconsistent, heavy-handed control/censorship."
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

In any case, I have to side with the apathy explanation. Outside of forums like this, I don't know many people in real life who give a flying crap about home theater. Some may own Blu-ray players, but relatively few movies. They just aren't passionate about things like this.
Generally speaking, people "in real life" "outside of forums like this" have never really given a flying crap about home theater. This is nothing new. Of course, that doesn't really address the observations made in the OP (and subsequent replies) about this particular site's BD forum appearing to be far less active than it once was.
post #33 of 259
I find this the most annoying forum here that I still have to check in with.

I'm not saying it should change, just that the way its run doesn't fit into my head at all.

You have a movie, on BD. But, you can't talk about the movie in any way, including the cinematography.

People say to go to the movie forum, but that's a "movie" forum, not a BD forum, and a lot of the titles there seem to be still in theatrical release.

And of course, they don't like it if you talk about tech issues there.

On a "side" not - Just watched Side By Side. Nice overview of tech issues getting from original photography to finished print. Whatever your biases there should be something in there to support them. For me it was the colorist bragging about how he's in charge - even if he gets notes from the DP, it's still his deal. He used verbs like "crank" and "push" for what he does. Oh good says me. And this is just for the theatrical release.

In other words, it was nice to see a direct refutation of all the AVS "directors intent" gang.

Anyone who reads this forum should probably check it out.
post #34 of 259
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

You have a movie, on BD. But, you can't talk about the movie in any way, including the cinematography.

People say to go to the movie forum, but that's a "movie" forum, not a BD forum, and a lot of the titles there seem to be still in theatrical release.

And of course, they don't like it if you talk about tech issues there.
Although not posted at the top of this forum, there has been a change of policy here per Mike Lang, AVS Administrator:

"Guys, there's room to discuss the technical aspects of a movie as well as the storyline"

Source: Skyfall thread, post #331

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On a "side" not - Just watched Side By Side. Nice overview of tech issues getting from original photography to finished print. Whatever your biases there should be something in there to support them. For me it was the colorist bragging about how he's in charge - even if he gets notes from the DP, it's still his deal. He used verbs like "crank" and "push" for what he does. Oh good says me. And this is just for the theatrical release.
Anyone who reads this forum should probably check it out.
It's in my NF Queue.

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In other words, it was nice to see a direct refutation of all the AVS "directors intent" gang.
I always did find that argument hysterical.
Apparently, unbeknownst to most of us, real film directors were actually posting here anonymously....rolleyes.gif

When it became overdone and overcooked and downright annoying, I pointed out NO ONE ON THIS FORUM knows what a director's "intent" is (excepting, of course, John Malkovich's tongue.gif).
And that pretty much caused them to shut the he!! up.wink.gif
post #35 of 259
Dont worry, I am not going anywhere.
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

You have a movie, on BD. But, you can't talk about the movie in any way, including the cinematography.

People say to go to the movie forum, but that's a "movie" forum, not a BD forum, and a lot of the titles there seem to be still in theatrical release.

And of course, they don't like it if you talk about tech issues there.

I have no clue what you are writing about, they are plenty of cinematography and tech discussions posted in the BD software thread.
post #36 of 259
I think it's just this forum. To be honest it was never crazy active before anyway. The format change didn't help either (i almost stopped posting in fact). Bluray.com is the same as it's always been. The party never stops. There are over 1000 members in the movies section right now-

http://forum.blu-ray.com/
post #37 of 259
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Although not posted at the top of this forum, there has been a change of policy here per Mike Lang, AVS Administrator:

"Guys, there's room to discuss the technical aspects of a movie as well as the storyline"

Source: Skyfall thread, post #331
It's in my NF Queue.
I always did find that argument hysterical.
Apparently, unbeknownst to most of us, real film directors were actually posting here anonymously....rolleyes.gif

When it became overdone and overcooked and downright annoying, I pointed out NO ONE ON THIS FORUM knows what a director's "intent" is (excepting, of course, John Malkovich's tongue.gif).
And that pretty much caused them to shut the he!! up.wink.gif

Awesome, thanks for the heads up on Mike's post. I note that he said "technical aspects of a movie." I read several pages preceding Mike's post - interesting that Emaych was involved, don't see him much, but his view is perfectly in tune with mine.

Didn't know until I read the Skyfall pages that the Prometheus thread had been locked (at the request of the OP) for too much talking about the darn movie.
post #38 of 259
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

When Blu-ray was a new format, a lot of the troubleshooting had to do with discs being not compatible with all players, glitches everywhere for everyone.

The studios seem to be ramping this up again with their "tricky" authoring & DRM.

IMO, this may be part of the reason for the Forum being less active: people giving up with defective products that nothing they say will actually fix plus other members bagging them for complaining. I expect they have been driven underground, to rip and reverse engineer their purchased titles to get something close to what they expected for their money, in silence, because the Forum is so sensitive about anything to do with studio copywrong.
post #39 of 259
Maybe it's my age(50), maybe it's the movies that are out now, but I am just not as interested.
I have a hard time looking at a movie that has a $29.99 price point and paying that, knowing I will probably watch it once or twice.
I go to best buy and the movie section is half the size it used to be. There are almost no concert DVD/blu rays, and I bought a lot of them.
Since I turned 40, I have been turned off by violence. The new movies try to show it as graphically as possible.
There is so much cgi now that I can't suspend disbelief.
The blockbuster in my area is in the process of closing.
Streaming is such a big thing now that I don't even think the movie vending machines will be around much longer.
Just not impressed with many releases. Maybe 4-5 a yet interest me, so at this point I am spending $100-120 a year on blu rays and nothing on DVDs.
The first year I had my DVD player 1999-2000 I spent $2k.
post #40 of 259
Art is right.

As he, and I and others have noted for a while now, it's not just the Blu-Ray forum, there is significantly less traffic in all of the AVSforum. I've just been amazed to see so many threads that once would have been burning up with posts just limping along with little input. It used to be that each day I'd open a forum page all the thread topics had changed, or shifted, with all the activity. Now when I go back to a sub-forum it's like the picture hasn't changed, threads haven't budged, contribution has slowed so much.

I'm not sure why, probably a bunch of reasons combining what people have already said. Perhaps some of it was the AVS re-formatting itself contributing, especially the constant splintering of forum subjects.
Possibly a creeping malaise about AV stuff and home theater in general?

As for Blu-Ray, maybe others are getting bored, but I'm in heaven snapping them up for my collection. But, like a chicken/egg syndrome, I don't feel the habit or compulsion to post here nearly as strongly as before because there seems to be far less action and excitement in the forum(s).

Though I'm still extremely grateful that a significant community remains, as it is such a valuable resource for all of us.
post #41 of 259
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post


I also believe that the home theater hobby is dying out.

Art

What leads you to that conclusion Art? Is it the lowering traffic in this forum in particular, or some other set of observations?

There is the pulling in opposite directions in terms of media displays and consumption, one trend toward viewing smaller movie files on smaller screens (phones, tablets, laptops), the other being ever cheaper, larger TVs and cheaper projection set ups.

Given how happy many people are with their TVs and tablets, I'm sort of amazed that my Projection set up even has the cache it still has with my family and friends. I never really thought people would bother coming to watch with me, but every pal who can make it crowds my home theater for UFC nights, even though they could watch it on their flat screen or at a bar, and I have a constant stream of friends who join me to watch movies.

And don't more people than ever own projection set ups? When I joined the forum it was incredibly active, but virtually no one I knew had a projection based home theater. Now several of my friend have one, as does my brother, guys at work, and acquaintances.

I dunno...I'm wondering about the state of AV gear and home theater like most other people, so I'm looking for answers too.
post #42 of 259
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

I think it's just this forum. To be honest it was never crazy active before anyway. The format change didn't help either (i almost stopped posting in fact). Bluray.com is the same as it's always been. The party never stops. There are over 1000 members in the movies section right now-

I'd be very interested to compare the average age of readers of this forum with readers of that one, if such a statistic were ever available.
post #43 of 259
I don't know if the HT hobby is "dying out", I just think there's less to talk about these days. It's not like everyone's upgrading their TV or player every year. I never had much interest in home theater before HDTVs and blu-ray, my interest naturally spiked when HDTVs and the content became widely availble/affordable, and since I've gotten my HT set up the way I like it, there's really not much more to be done with it, until some newfangled format comes out. Same reason every TV manufacturer has been struggling financially lately: everyone's already got HDTVs. Since I'm probably in the 95th percentile of PQ obsessives, I still like to gab about the quality of blurays, but that's something few people care much about.
post #44 of 259
I've always seen AVS as a mainly hardware-centric forum. It's the same for music. One subforum devoted to Blu-ray Disc cannot be expected to be as popular, comprehensive or competitive as the other site where software is the main focus.

I particularly find it helpful to see subforums divided into world regions and separate subforums (not just a thread) for deals. People from other regions find it more cosy and convenient to have areas dedicated to their regions and talk about things more relevant to them. The other place also has weird admin/censorship issues so I hardly post there. No place is perfect but there's nothing wrong with different sites each with its own strength complementing each other, each has some insiders/ex-insiders, at the end of the day as long as I get the info I need I'm happy and not bothered where I browse.

If time is spent watching BDs or listening to music instead of talking (writing) about it surely can't be a bad thing.smile.gif
post #45 of 259
Just to piggyback on what most of you have been saying, there is no silver bullet - AVS has a lot of strengths, but also many weaknesses. Strictly speaking about Blu-ray, it's clear to me that a site like Blu-ray.com has an inherent advantage and focus compared to AVS. For starters, anyone looking for "blu-ray reviews" via Bing or Google will first be sent to Blu-ray.com. Second, Blu-ray.com has multitudes more reviews than our dear Ralph can compete with. Quantity vs. quality? It doesn't help that Ralph gives every catalog title an 86 and every CG film a 98 - you know what you're getting before you even read it. LOL From a design standpoint of their website as a whole, they have tightly integrated their reviews with user reviews and forums and purchasing links, making it much easier to read and type about discs.

Also, AVS has spread out its subforums (and it has MANY) across a broad spectrum whereas a place like Blu-ray.com is much more focused, but that tighter focus may end up being a burden. Someone else mentioned ebb and flow - as Blu-ray ebbs and UHD (4K/8K) flows, I think you'll see that Blu-ray.com will start to struggle and AVS will likely pick up steam again... especially if we get another format war! *gun-cocking sound*
post #46 of 259
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post


There are numerous other places indeed, but I like AVS, and I like its community. So I'm stuck here wink.gif

+1
post #47 of 259
It's because of the new forum layout and design. I'm shocked that everyone else is missing this and throwing out other hypotheses that make no sense. The art of HT dying out? People don't have problems anymore? Please....

The lower traffic happened right after the redesign. I even went in record to say that traffic will suffer.
post #48 of 259
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

It's because of the new forum layout and design. I'm shocked that everyone else is missing this and throwing out other hypotheses that make no sense. The art of HT dying out? People don't have problems anymore? Please....

The lower traffic happened right after the redesign. I even went in record to say that traffic will suffer.

What specifically about the re-design do you think is responsible for this?

I guess I'm used to it already so it doesn't seem to make a difference to me, other than as I mentioned the further splintering off of sub-forums over time.
post #49 of 259
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

What specifically about the re-design do you think is responsible for this?.

Not answering for FR but..

In the beginning if you clicked one of the stickies it took you to the first post and did not have an option to go to the last post like the old software had. There were similar limitations with normal threads. Some of these issues have been changed/improved.

The search and member profile features of this software are nowhere near the level of the old software.
post #50 of 259
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Not answering for FR but..

In the beginning if you clicked one of the stickies it took you to the first post and did not have an option to go to the last post like the old software had. There were similar limitations with normal threads. Some of these issues have been changed/improved.

The search and member profile features of this software are nowhere near the level of the old software.

+1
post #51 of 259
I don't agree that the home theater hobby is in decline. The movie studios certainly feel threatened by home viewing, as they realize adults are largely fed up with the existing theatrical experience and staying home to watch movies on their 7.1 surround setups. This site is driven by the high-end portion of the hobby, which does seem to be in a stalling pattern with the continued problems in the economy. Blu-ray.com is fine but the average poster over there is much younger, with much less home theater experience. It's very hard to have an in-depth discussion over there on most any issue beyond the latest blockbusters.
post #52 of 259
You guys are over-thinking this.

The answer is simple. In this lousy Obama economy, people have less disposable income.

Less disposable income means fewer people are buying or thinking about buying Blu-rays or new TVs, etc. Hence, less participation.

It's not just the blu-ray forum, the other forums are slow as well.

It's the new normal.

Hope and change, baby!

Hope.

And.

Change.
post #53 of 259
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I'd be very interested to compare the average age of readers of this forum with readers of that one, if such a statistic were ever available.
Good point.
The crowd over there is, in general, much younger.
Most of us here are Old F_cks, and nature being nature, we are just being replaced by the new crop.biggrin.gif

Seriously though, I think other factors are involved too....
The Wall Street fraud that collapsed the ECONOMY 6 years ago has left many with a much smaller budget for personal entertainment.
The belt-tightening has hit everyone to some extent and, no doubt, has been a negative on sales.
During times of financial uncertainty, folks tend to cut their amount of discretionary spending.

Also, streaming and the use of portable devices for video is having an effect on sales.
If you don't own the disk, it's easy not to get emotional about it. wink.gif
post #54 of 259
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Originally Posted by rinseandspit View Post

You guys are over-thinking this.

The answer is simple. In this lousy Obama economy, people have less disposable income.

Less disposable income means fewer people are buying or thinking about buying Blu-rays or new TVs, etc. Hence, less participation.

It's not just the blu-ray forum, the other forums are slow as well.

It's the new normal.

Hope and change, baby!

Hope.

And.

Change.
Uhhh, I hope you are not implying the state of the economy is Obama's doing.
I can PROVE otherwise....

Let's not bring partisan politics to this discussion...wink.gif
post #55 of 259
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

Blu-ray.com has multitudes more reviews than our dear Ralph can compete with. Quantity vs. quality? It doesn't help that Ralph gives every catalog title an 86 and every CG film a 98 - you know what you're getting before you even read it.

Greetings,

Ouch! Every catalog/every CG film? Now now...let's be fair Nathan. wink.gif

I think that there are valid points being made but I agree that part of what we are seeing especially in this forum is due more in part to where the industry is now versus two or three years ago in terms of the format. I also agree that AVS has always been geared more toward technical discussions related to hardware than software. We'll see what lies in store.


Regards,
post #56 of 259
Not implying. Saying directly.

However, as you say, this is an AV site.

And no matter, how you wish to believe the economy arrived at it's current lousy condition surely you would agree that less disposable income means less participation here at avsfourm.

For instance, my wife would straight up murder me if I brought home a new $3500.00 TV.

So, I don't read so much about the new stuff out there.

It's less frustrating that way.biggrin.gif
post #57 of 259
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Originally Posted by rinseandspit View Post

You guys are over-thinking this.

The answer is simple. In this lousy Obama economy, people have less disposable income.

Less disposable income means fewer people are buying or thinking about buying Blu-rays or new TVs, etc. Hence, less participation.

It's not just the blu-ray forum, the other forums are slow as well.

It's the new normal.

Hope and change, baby!

Hope.

And.

Change.

I think your point about the bad economy affecting buying habits is valid, but there's no reason to turn this into an obnoxious political debate. The economy wasn't exactly thriving under the last administration, and half the people who've driven us into this mess are on the other side of the aisle. All politicians have failed us. It's both sides' fault. Let's leave it at that.
post #58 of 259
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

What specifically about the re-design do you think is responsible for this?

I guess I'm used to it already so it doesn't seem to make a difference to me, other than as I mentioned the further splintering off of sub-forums over time.


I just miss my RETRO COLORS......it's hard on my eyes to see either all white, and I'm even having a hard time with the black background. GIVE ME BACK MY RETRO!!!
post #59 of 259
My 2 cents:
The excitement of the new media has worn off. Since I don't really like the vast majority of the new movies coming out, and the list of catalog titles while better still isn't great, I'm really not buying a whole lot of BDs right now. Add the fact that the redesign is so graphics laden and cumbersome, that I rarely bother anymore. As for Bluray.com, yes there seems to be a noticeable age difference from here, which is why I dislike the place.
Carry on...
J
post #60 of 259
My 2 cents:
The excitement of the new media has worn off. Since I don't really like the vast majority of the new movies coming out, and the list of catalog titles while better still isn't great, I'm really not buying a whole lot of BDs right now. Add the fact that the redesign is so graphics laden and cumbersome, that I rarely bother anymore. As for Bluray.com, yes there seems to be a noticeable age difference from here, which is why I dislike the place.
Carry on...
J
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