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post #61 of 259
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

What leads you to that conclusion Art? Is it the lowering traffic in this forum in particular, or some other set of observations?

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There were about 15 or so of us in the Michigan group and essentially Jeff and I are all that's left around here being even semi active. I mean look at the publications that are left,the variety of new things for the theater room ,the excitement of it.The traffic on AVscience forum also has clearly diminished. I think the whole concept of reproducing a theater in ones home is passe ,although not for me personally.

Art
Edited by Art Sonneborn - 3/6/13 at 5:27pm
post #62 of 259
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

There were about 15 or so of us in the Michigan group and essentially Jeff and I are all that's left around here being even semi active. I mean look at the publications that are left,the variety of new things for the theater room ,the excitement of it.The traffic on AVscience forum also has clearly diminished. I think the whole concept of reproducing a theater in ones home is passe ,although not for me personally.

Art

Yeah...it's a shame that people today prefer to carry their entertainment in their pocket or purse. (No wisecracks!)
post #63 of 259
Art,

Glad to see you and Jeff are still around. Your threads with group movie nights at your place were just fantastic. Its a bummer not to see some of the regular crew, from way back, on AVS very often anymore. Yet there are still enough of the gang around to make things okay while spending time here. David, and Alan, if you guys read this thread, maybe we could get some of your thoughts on this matter?
post #64 of 259
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

I just miss my RETRO COLORS......it's hard on my eyes to see either all white, and I'm even having a hard time with the black background. GIVE ME BACK MY RETRO!!!

There is a way to get close to the Retro colors, which I also used before the change. I will say that it seems much more like home for me using the retro look after all these years.wink.gif
Link to thread: Thanks to member wajo. http://www.avsforum.com/a/avs-retro-style
post #65 of 259
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

There were about 15 or so of us in the Michigan group and essentially Jeff and I are all that's left around here being even semi active. I mean look at the publications that are left,the variety of new things for the theater room ,the excitement of it.The traffic on AVscience forum also has clearly diminished. I think the whole concept of reproducing a theater in ones home is passe ,although not for me personally.

Art

Righto.

I'm certainly ok if there is less interest in home theater in the rest of the world. I'm still thrilled with mine and if anything more thrilled than ever.
Even though they watch tons of stuff on TVs and tablets, my kids remain giddy in joining me to watch movies or old TV shows on Blu-Ray, in the home theater room.

(Though the only thing is if Home Theater gets too passe it may slow progress).
post #66 of 259
Add me to the statistic of leaving after the layout change and redesign. I loved using the dedicated app and then it stopped working with the change. I don't like using the browser on my smart phone.

I check bluray.com 5x as much as here. I like the quick access to all titles and it will show their review and you can see user reviews with ratings for video, audio,etc. Plus quick pricing on Amazon too.

I only came back here recently since I was interested in hardware upgrades again.

I continue to check this bluray section and it is pretty lifeless.

I've also used cinemasquid's site as a reference.
post #67 of 259
I still check AVS daily, maybe twice a day. But, really, since the format change my old Windows XP takes forever to download an AVS page - there is so much advertising and stuff on it. I get it, that all keeps it going. But there are no other of my regular sites that is so cumbersome.

And, no, there just isn't as much Blu-ray content to get excited about right now. Maybe there will be an uptick with The Hobbit complaints or for other biggies. Also, quality aside, the way in which viewers are obtaining entertainment is fracturing...
post #68 of 259
It seems clear that with the economic downturn, HT has somewhat fallen out of favor. Clearly, you see that with the building industry which has de-emphasized putting theater rooms in homes. People also have less disposable income for these pursuits. All of this has an effect I am sure on traffic on AVS. Also, once you have your stuff, you tend to sit back and enjoy it, at least most people do. Not all of us perseverate over this stuff. Finally, some of us and I include myself here, got tired off all the bickering that goes on here. Some continue with political commentary on their posts. Who needs that? I don't. Once the newness of any hobby pursuit wears off a bit, as real life intervenes and as participating here becomes less pleasant, we find other things to do with our time. I would rather watch my films than post here, which is why I am now a much infrequent visitor and poster than I was just 2 years ago.
post #69 of 259
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

There were about 15 or so of us in the Michigan group and essentially Jeff and I are all that's left around here being even semi active. I mean look at the publications that are left,the variety of new things for the theater room ,the excitement of it.The traffic on AVscience forum also has clearly diminished. I think the whole concept of reproducing a theater in ones home is passe ,although not for me personally.

Art

Economy, loss of interest in the hobby... Even manufacturers are releasing less high end gear. The SSP market has dwindled to about a half dozen real choices. Like Art, I still like keep up with what's new but admittedly, since redoing my theater have not added any statement pieces in some time. Then again, since Blu Ray came about, there hasn't been any game changing events in HT. Blu Ray and HD changed everything. People jumped on the band wagon and bought it up and the accompanying equipment. You could see the difference - it wasn't theoretical. That was the beginning of flat panels and everyone wanted one. And the economy was great and everyone had money to burn.

Just the hard cores left here.

That said, I'm less in upgrade mode and have honestly never enjoyed my theater more. Blu Ray gives excellent 1080P24 video and lossless audio. So since we are no longer worried about using scalers, line triplers, etc and various codecs to make lossy DD or DTS sound its best, innovation in devices to make things sound and look better has slowed... and so follows interest in the hobby.
post #70 of 259
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post


That said, I'm less in upgrade mode and have honestly never enjoyed my theater more. Blu Ray gives excellent 1080P24 video and lossless audio. So since we are no longer worried about using scalers, line triplers, etc and various codecs to make lossy DD or DTS sound its best, innovation in devices to make things sound and look better has slowed... and so follows interest in the hobby.

Yes that's something I've noticed too since Blu-Ray took over.

There used to be TONS of discussions, often very technical, concerning the performance of DVD players on the various tests, lots of subjective and/objective reports, hand-wringing over upscaling, and various tweaks and mods (e.g. tweaking for a direct digital path from the player, like the venerable old RP-91), which scalers and noise reduction systems to buy, etc. It seems once Blu-Ray took over most of that type of concern is gone. It seems to be a general feeling that actual visible differences between Blu-Ray players (assuming a generally competant player) are negligible if visible at all on typical content.
(I know some may want to chime in "Not true! X player produces better image quality than Y player!" But I think this attitude is now the outlayer rather than the norm). Good Blu-Ray is good enough, terrific, for most of us. Hence, one more subject not generating much discussion.
post #71 of 259
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

Anyone else notice this? I used to be on this specific forum since Bluray first came out. Maybe it's just that all of the anticipated releases are now here, and the excitement for new (or catalogue) titles are far and few between? I AM, however, glad that the 'bickering' on certain threads is slowing down quite a bit. Another note is that we have almost all given up hope for REFERENCE QUALITY DISCS; something that has depressed most of us here. What do you think???

Well most Blu-ray fans (including me) post on Blu-ray.com since it seems to be a lot more active there.
Edited by MrHT - 3/7/13 at 8:24pm
post #72 of 259
Well regarding the OP I usually comment on the movie pq and aq in RALPHS thread and if i discuss the movie I do it in MOVIE,CONCERT AND MUSIC DISCUSSION THREAD. There will be times that I will visit the blu ray software thread if its a movie Ralph hasn't reviewed but then again I will have to like the film.

Regarding upgrading equipment I've personally reached a point in my life where I'm done. Just the other day I was looking around to see what to upgrade too and there was nothing but I still look around to see if there is any new and interesting things are coming out ( I'm finding know its more about flat panels which i have no care for ). Like most I'm at a level where I sit back and I'm enjoying the movies. It's the main reason I got into HT in the first place smile.gif
post #73 of 259
I think part for being done is that the equipment available has reached the "good enough" point. There's so much available on the audio end that performs so well, for so little cash outlay, it's remarkable.

Same is true for displays, which is driving the manufacturers crazy smile.gif
post #74 of 259
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

I think part for being done is that the equipment available has reached the "good enough" point. There's so much available on the audio end that performs so well, for so little cash outlay, it's remarkable.

Same is true for displays, which is driving the manufacturers crazy smile.gif
How much further can video hardware go with 1080p?
Good 1080p hardware is abundant and fairly inexpensive.

3D hardware is not really cost prohibitive either.
Other than glasses-free displays, what's left?

It is true some new BD releases are suspect, but it's become less frequent.

I do think audio hardware can be improved on the consumer end.
Still, other than lower prices, I dunno....

Where do we go?
post #75 of 259
Funny thing is, I've bought more blu-rays than ever over the past 4 months. I'm nearly finished upgrading my most important dvds that have blu-ray versions. As far as forums go, the AVS blu ray section has an interesting group of weirdos who are tech savvy, and into genre films. It's not super busy, but it never was for me, because I sat out the entire format war, and didn't buy a blu ray player until it was declared over.
post #76 of 259
I hate to say this, after being here for over 12 years, but AVS in general feels like "Elvis has left the building".

The post count over-all appears to decrease each week and for some odd reason there are far more new foreign members, especially in the sub$3k forum where AVS is feeling more and more like a Euro based forum. Now I don't blame anyone for wanting to come to this great forum (they have every right) and it is not their fault that the translation software is so destructive but there is so much lost in translation that it often seems as though it only serves to confuse and discourage more posts.

This is all such a shame to see as this truly is one of the best CE/tech resources on the planet. It has had the best over-all membership of any forum I have ever utilized and I feel very fortunate to have been a part of it for so long.

So regardless of how this ends up... thank you to Alan and David for giving us AVS.

Jason
post #77 of 259
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

How much further can video hardware go with 1080p?
Good 1080p hardware is abundant and fairly inexpensive.

3D hardware is not really cost prohibitive either.
Other than glasses-free displays, what's left?

I guess 4K. Im sure will see the Blu ray thread come alive when 4K comes to Blu ray. I can see it now LOTR 4K vs 1080P comparison shots as well as many other films.
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I do think audio hardware can be improved on the consumer end.
Still, other than lower prices, I dunno....

Where do we go?

Once you got your audio setup right and your happy with it, there will be no need to upgrade unless you want the features. Apart from that sit back and enjoy smile.gif
post #78 of 259
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

So regardless of how this ends up... thank you to Alan and David for giving us AVS.

I have a feeling Alan Gouger has left the building as well.
post #79 of 259
In regard to the forum's controversial software change, I noticed that Home Theater Forum (which converted to Huddler a little before AVS did) is about to dump Huddler and change to something else. Back to vBulletin? I don't know; they haven't announced that part.
post #80 of 259
I wasn't pleased when AVS switched to the "new" software.
However, after using it for so long, I have become comfortable.
post #81 of 259
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

In regard to the forum's controversial software change, I noticed that Home Theater Forum (which converted to Huddler a little before AVS did) is about to dump Huddler and change to something else. Back to vBulletin? I don't know; they haven't announced that part.

Huddler's main purpose, as far as I can tell, is to serve ads in as many ways as possible. HTF's implementation of it is far more obnoxious, but yes, vbulletin (again) would be welcome, on both sites.
post #82 of 259
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Originally Posted by MrHT View Post

Well most Blu-ray fans (including me) post on Blu-ray.com since it seems to be a lot more active there.

Well I still harbor a little bit of grudge against this site. During the format war the amount of lies and half truths that they let a certain 'insider' get away with was too much. I sure felt like I was ganged up on when I disclosed why I bought a PS3 and couldn't bring myself to go with a HD DVD player. AVS did it to themselves catering to the insiders far too much.
post #83 of 259
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

I've never been incredibly prolific here, but as I'm finding with the internet in general, I'm bored.

Bored of the same old arguments, the same old forum 'celebrities', (weirdos), the same posters, who I'm convinced have mental problems, the same need to try and find bad in everything. It grinds you down after a while, to the point where I will murder the next person that asks me if something comes with a slipcase.

This.

I still visit AVS regularly but not the Blu-ray Software forum, i.e., crazy town.

I think a prime example is the LOTR Extended Edition "green" thread.
Still going since the late 50's.
Who the phuck cares anymore?

My film interest is more in catalog releases which get almost no attention here, so I go where film is the main theme not what some know-nothing
posts about how a particular transfer is an abortion and everyone involved is incompetent and should be strung-up.

Unlike some I hated the format war days and thought it brought out the worst in most everyone(me included) but that is now so long ago that it is immaterial, imo.
post #84 of 259
The whole "insider" thing was a fiasco and contributed to a lot of friction.
We would have been better of without it and allowed every poster to be on the same footing as any other.
Everyone's opinion or comment should have had equal weight on the forum....in other words, worth 2 cents.wink.gif
post #85 of 259
There was an awful lot of hostility as a whole against BD during and right after the format war on this forum. A lot of people got fed up with it and went elsewhere.

There are also a select few who still seem to criticize every single release no matter what - that gets old too for a lot of people.
post #86 of 259
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

There was an awful lot of hostility as a whole against BD during and right after the format war on this forum.
The most appalling part was a lot of it was organized.
I debated many times whether of not to just go elsewhere.
However, I always have believed in dying on the battlefield....even if the game is rigged.wink.gif
post #87 of 259
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Originally Posted by Toknowshita View Post

Well I still harbor a little bit of grudge against this site. During the format war the amount of lies and half truths that they let a certain 'insider' get away with was too much. I sure felt like I was ganged up on when I disclosed why I bought a PS3 and couldn't bring myself to go with a HD DVD player. AVS did it to themselves catering to the insiders far too much.

As opposed to the site that let a person the owners of the site knew was a nobody with no legitimate connection to any home entertainment company pretend to be a Sony "insider" for years, even long after the format war ended, and gave him free reign to belittle anyone who questioned him and moderate his own thread in a blatant conflict of interest? As opposed to that? rolleyes.gif
post #88 of 259
Methinks the occasional member who got into their own personal grudge matches way back in the format war are rather overestimating the influence on AVSforum traffic.
post #89 of 259
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

As opposed to that? rolleyes.gif

Come on Josh, now you know Penton-Man never gave out any free laptops to you press guys so I would not hold that against him wink.gif

On a serious note, they did lock the Penton-Man insiders thread. I was not privy to the forum staff so I have no idea if they knew he was not a Sony employee. I do not recall if paidgeek ever said anything and I am fairly certain he was a Sony employee. Anyway, all history now!
post #90 of 259
I'm in the camp that none of this has anything to do with the popularity of A/V in general declining or everyone being saturated or the existence of other sites. I place the decline chiefly on the site redesign.

I frequent several other message boards, and most of them use vBulletin these days. I'm used to that format, I know how subscriptions work, I know how to find posts and search and do basic forum functions. I can also expect all the buttons and icons and figures and features to be the same across all of them. It was the same years ago when everyone was using phpBB. But when they switched over to this format, I got lost. It took me a long time to figure out how subscriptions worked (figured it out eventually), and I didn't like the navigation. I slowly started posting less and less. Eventually it got to the point where if a thread wasn't in my subscriptions, I never saw it because I wasn't checking the actual boards. I still don't, really. I found this thread because I didn't have any activity in my feed and wanted something new to discuss.

I post in several threads across all of the subforums, and it's the same everywhere. AVS site traffic is just down in general. I have not noticed this decline at any other messageboard that I post at.
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