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post #61 of 160
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My 2021 works well so far. No major issues. Did an autocalibration with Calman 5 today and it worked flawlessly.

Were you able to control on Calman 5 using DDC?
post #62 of 160
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I am in on this: hopefully will have this week

How is it Mark? Im looking at getting one and getting rid of my DUO.

thanks
post #63 of 160
I've had my 2021 since last Thursday and am very pleased with the improvement it has made in my main AV system; so much so that I ordered a second one for my bedroom system. The only problem that I'm having is with DirecTV 3D. I've tried every I/O configuration that I can think of, but I get no picture or sound. 2D works fine, but 3D is a no-go. I don't have this problem with 3D from my OPPO BDP-95, just the DirecTV DVR. Other than that, the 2021 is a wonderful product. Using Calman HT 5.1.1 beta doing a 125 point LUT calibration of my Panasonic 65VT50 was "a piece of cake" giving excellent results. If I ever get my Sim2 projector up and running in a new home theater I'll probably order a 3rd 2021, I'm that happy!
post #64 of 160
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

My 2021 works well so far. No major issues. Did an autocalibration with Calman 5 today and it worked flawlessly.
Were you able to control on Calman 5 using DDC?
What is DDC?
post #65 of 160
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

What is DDC?
"Direct Display Control"....HERE's a list of devices that support it, using CalMAN . You have to be connected via RS-232 to communicate with the Lumagen.
Edited by ElectronicTonic - 4/3/13 at 2:18pm
post #66 of 160
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

What is DDC?
"Direct Display Control"
I don't know what that means when running Calman with a Radiance 2021 as pattern source and CMS device. There was no need to manipulate the display directly as it was within the green range as tested by Calman. The calibration was then automaticly done by Calman using the 3D LUT of the 2021.
post #67 of 160
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

I don't know what that means when running Calman with a Radiance 2021 as pattern source and CMS device. There was no need to manipulate the display directly as it was within the green range as tested by Calman. The calibration was then automaticly done by Calman using the 3D LUT of the 2021.
I updated my original post. If you are doing a 3D LUT using the Lumagen and CalMAN, you're using "DDC".
post #68 of 160
We corrected the 031713 update issue and revision 031813 updates correctly and is now available on our website.

Note this update includes a new FPGA and takes about 15 minutes at 57k BAUD.
post #69 of 160
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Originally Posted by Doyle View Post

I've had my 2021 since last Thursday and am very pleased with the improvement it has made in my main AV system; so much so that I ordered a second one for my bedroom system. The only problem that I'm having is with DirecTV 3D. I've tried every I/O configuration that I can think of, but I get no picture or sound. 2D works fine, but 3D is a no-go. I don't have this problem with 3D from my OPPO BDP-95, just the DirecTV DVR.

I have DirecTV at home and have been testing with the 2021. As noted 2D is working well, but there are two issues with 3D.

The HR-24 goes into 3D mode fine (i.e. it is reporting 3D in the HDMI info frame), but there are some drop outs with 3D that do not occur with the Mini/XS/XE. My HR-24 is at work and Pat is bust working on a fix. We believe this is the same inconsistent HSync pulse issue many Bluray players have and we will do a work-around to ignore the bad syncs (Assuming this is it of course).

The HR-34 (Genie) is not sending the 3D Info-frame packets out for 3D. However, you can manually go into 3D mode on the Radiance using the "Quick Keys" menu to select side-by-side 3D as the input type and then 3D Off when you go back to 2D. We have a loaner HR-34 here and we will be testing it int he next couple days to figure out if it gives any indication of 3D since it appears to not be correctly setting the 3D type in the info frame.

NOTE: Make sure you do NOT disable 1080i output on your DirecTV box if you want 3D. One customer enabled only 480p and 1080p and got weird results. At this time 3D on DirecTV is 1080i side-by-side (even ESPN) and you must output this from the DirecTV box in 1080i mode.
post #70 of 160
Hi Jim,

I solved my DirecTV HR-23 3D problem by going into Output Setup and setting the 3D Video Output Mode to 1080p60 instead of Auto 2,1. I now have 3D picture and sound with no drops. Auto 2,1 works with all of my other sources except this one. Now everything is working properly.
Edited by Doyle - 4/3/13 at 9:56pm
post #71 of 160
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Hi Jim,

I solved my DirecTV HR-23 3D problem by going into Output Setup and setting the 3D Video Output Mode to 1080p60 instead of Auto 2,1. I now have 3D picture and sound with no drops. Auto 2,1 works with all of my other sources except this one. Now everything is working properly.

Good you found an alternative solution smile.gif

The Lumagen 2021 is pretty new and it will take sometime to be plain perfect like the older models.

Having said that, it is very usable as is and I enjoy every bit of it each day !

The Darbee, the VXP processing and the auto calibration of my grayscal, gamma and 125pt colors have give a new breath to my Sony VW95 projector smile.gif
post #72 of 160
quick question- I just got the 2021 have not set it up yet but if I want to use it for both my PJ and my plasma in another room can I use both HDMI outs and hook one to the PJ and one to the tv or do i need another Lumagen- also if my Pj was prof. calibrated a few years ago - Can I just leave the adjustments where they are and just run the chromopure pro that i have or do I need to reset my settings on the Sim 2- thanks
post #73 of 160
yes send one to tv and one to projector. By default the audio is off on hdmi2 i htink so if you send that to tv and you use tv speakers you will want to enable it.

RE calibration and your PJ. I would suggest that after two years it's worthwhile starting from the beginning on the projector calibration. Especially if you are going to be using a radiance as it has far superior calibration tools to any SIM2 pj i've come across.
post #74 of 160
We have more information on the DirecTV 3D issues:

On the HR-24: It does not send out the 3D info-frame as often as it is supposed to. There will be a 2021 release with a work-around soon.

On the HR-34: The HR-34 was not sending out the 3D info frame (we believe), but when we next checked to start debugging we noticed it had just completed a software upgrade and the new software is now sending out the 3D info frames correctly. So no change needed in the Radiance 2021 for this one.
post #75 of 160
Got mine yesterday and still tinkering with it. I do have an issue so far. My Tivo3HD loses connection everytime I switch to a different input and back. I have to turned the 2021 off and then back on again for it to work or re-synch again. Tivo is output 1080i into the 2021 and the 1021 is set to output 1080P60 to TV. I have tried various ways and still got the same result. I have a Dune (media player) connected to another input, switched back and forth yet no problem there.
post #76 of 160
Maison:
Okay. Thanks for the report.

Don't have a Tivo for testing, so we will need to think about what might be the issue and perhaps have you run some tests.

Does not sound like a cable issue, but you might want to try a longer/different cable to see if that might be part of the issue.
post #77 of 160
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You should achieve essentially the same visual results as using an external Darblet on a Radiance output.
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I hope not. With some content Darblet looks awful on the output of my XS. Take for example in Skyfall where M is looking outside her MI6 office window, she is wearing a black jacket with white spots on it. With Darblet the white spots on the jacket have this whacky strobing effect as the camera pans slowly, without Darblet (i.e. XS only) the jacket looks completely normal.
post #78 of 160
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I hope not. With some content Darblet looks awful on the output of my XS. Take for example in Skyfall where M is looking outside her MI6 office window, she is wearing a black jacket with white spots on it. With Darblet the white spots on the jacket have this whacky strobing effect as the camera pans slowly, without Darblet (i.e. XS only) the jacket looks completely normal.

You may need to reduce the Darbee enhancement setting. For my use I select Darbee HD mode at a setting of 30. This give some enhancement, but appears to not cause noticeable artifacts.

As a side note: For various reasons we moved the Darbee to the front of the Radiance 20XX pipeline. So it is now operating at the source resolution. From what we have observed, and what we are hearing from customers, this is the preferred location for the DVP(TM) logic. So one might consider this an advantage of having the Radiance 20XX unit with Darbee, verses an external Darbee.
post #79 of 160
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Originally Posted by jrp View Post

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As a side note: For various reasons we moved the Darbee to the front of the Radiance 20XX pipeline. So it is now operating at the source resolution. From what we have observed, and what we are hearing from customers, this is the preferred location for the DVP(TM) logic. So one might consider this an advantage of having the Radiance 20XX unit with Darbee, verses an external Darbee.

 


Would this sequence ( source => Darbee => Radiance => display) also be preferred for an external Darbee / Mini3D setup (aside from the fact that one would 'lose' the Mini's second input)?

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Axel

post #80 of 160
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Would this sequence ( source => Darbee => Radiance => display) also be preferred for an external Darbee / Mini3D setup (aside from the fact that one would 'lose' the Mini's second input)?
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Axel

If you have only one source, your proposal may be a better arrangement. With multiple sources, it is not as practical of a solution as after the Radiance.
post #81 of 160
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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

Would this sequence ( source => Darbee => Radiance => display) also be preferred for an external Darbee / Mini3D setup (aside from the fact that one would 'lose' the Mini's second input)?
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Axel

If you have only one source, your proposal may be a better arrangement. With multiple sources, it is not as practical of a solution as after the Radiance.

 



Thanks Jim;

 

I do not want to derail this thread, but would appreciate if you could provide just a bit more detail as to why this 'may be a better arrangement' smile.gif.

 

Thanks!

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Axel

post #82 of 160
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Thanks Jim;

I do not want to derail this thread, but would appreciate if you could provide just a bit more detail as to why this 'may be a better arrangement' smile.gif .

Thanks!
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Axel

Jim's very next sentence answers your question i think......you would need multiple darbee's. one between each source and the minin3d in order to get the same performance advantage the 2021 has by putting the darbee engine in it's optimal location before the scaling. Darbee have said their process works best when fed the least corrupted signal and lumagens experience with the 2021 would seem to agree.
post #83 of 160
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Originally Posted by Gordon Fraser View Post

.....Darbee have said their process works best when fed the least corrupted signal and lumagens experience with the 2021 would seem to agree.

 

Thanks, Gordon, this is the part I was curious about.

I'll give it a try and switch the location of Mini and Darbee in my signal path and and see if I notice any difference. It already looks very, very good!. Thanks again!

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Axel

post #84 of 160
Just to let folk know that Lumagen have announced the rest of the 2XXX range Radiance products
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiance20XX_details

2021 you all know about
2022 is the above with analogue inputs like the XS
2041 is a 4K output version of the 2021 (2021 CANNOT be upgraded to 2041)
2042 is the same as 2041 with analogue inputs like XS.....
post #85 of 160
So to be clear the new 2041/2042 processors Dont except UltraHD or 4k input through HDMI?

Its A shame that HDMI V2.0 or whatever is not finalised so it may have allow Higher ultraHD refresh rates from these 2 new lumagens like the latest version of Display port can..
post #86 of 160
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So to be clear the new 2041/2042 processors Dont except UltraHD or 4k input through HDMI?

Its A shame that HDMI V2.0 or whatever is not finalised so it may have allow Higher ultraHD refresh rates from these 2 new lumagens like the latest version of Display port can..

Good question, Im curious about that too.
post #87 of 160
Hi guys,

According to Jim@Lumagen, all that can be said at this time is that Lumagen is working on a 4K video processor. Official schedule/pricing information is not available at this time. When official news is released, it can be posted.

Kal
post #88 of 160
yes, as it says, they output 4K at up to 30Hz. They do not have capability for 4K input. As KAL says the super scaler they have intimated they were working on will have 4K IN and OUT.
post #89 of 160
What is the MSRP on the 2041?
post #90 of 160
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What is the MSRP on the 2041?

MSRP on the 2041 is $3,495.
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