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Say it isn't so Krell amps engaging, deep, articulate, but not real?

post #1 of 21
3/5/13 at 1:54pm
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http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1165433684&openflup&21&4#21

02-28-07: Jodus001
Had to post here, currently have a MF TriVista 300, have done many A/B's against Krell 400 xi, modded McCormack, and McIntosh MA6500. Perfect word, at least in my system - laid back. ULTRA laid-back. Absolutely wonderful, IMHO. Krell was engaging, deep, articulate, but not real. Mac was beautiful, smooth, but too boomy, again, not real. MF sounds exactly as the source sounds, at least my Tri-Vista. That's all I can ask.

12-09-06: Redoctober2
I love MF sound,but are they using cheap selecter & volume?
My ex MF amp, A1X,A100,A3 had these problem.sound "de de" when turning the selecter (it means bad contact).
And Now, I'm using NuVista M3 , Problem occur again.
I know the forum post is old, but does krell stuff really sound not real and musical fidelity amps using cheap knobs?
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post #2 of 21
3/7/13 at 8:55pm
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Do you all agree that Krell sounds not real and Artificial? What would you describe the sound of a krell? Is krell bright neutral laid back?
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post #3 of 21
3/7/13 at 9:07pm
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Is krell bright neutral laid back?

Probably all three, depending on what speakers and/or the quality of the recorded song you plan on using with them. wink.gif
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post #4 of 21
3/7/13 at 9:27pm
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good points speakers matter also. I agree with you.
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post #5 of 21
3/7/13 at 9:29pm
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thumb do you like krell? do you use it? what amps you use?
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post #6 of 21
3/7/13 at 9:31pm
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when you say quality of recording do you mean badly done remasters? I hear that when people remaster stuff a lot it sounds horrible.
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post #7 of 21
3/8/13 at 7:33am
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thumb do you like krell? do you use it? what amps you use?

I've only heard Krell once at a Tweeter store a few years ago. I don't recall hearing anything remarkable about it, but to be fair the room Tweeter had them in wasn't good at all.
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post #8 of 21
3/8/13 at 7:40am
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when you say quality of recording do you mean badly done remasters? I hear that when people remaster stuff a lot it sounds horrible.

Badly-done remasters can fall into that category, but there are good and bad recordings in every genre over the years. Not all modern mainstream remasters are bad, but I'm sure the record companies don't gear them towards guys like us who actually have good stereos and good speakers.
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post #9 of 21
3/8/13 at 7:53am
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Badly-done remasters can fall into that category, but there are good and bad recordings in every genre over the years. Not all modern mainstream remasters are bad, but I'm sure the record companies don't gear them towards guys like us who actually have good stereos and good speakers.

Agreed. The newer Led Zeppelin Mothership set is a loudness war victim and sounds worse than the 20 year old Remasters box set. Meanwhile, the most recent releases of the first 7 Steely Dan albums are much better than the older Citizen Steely Dan set, and you can actually get all the individual albums for less total than the box set.
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post #10 of 21
3/8/13 at 8:16am

The only Krell amp I've owned was a KAV-300i. It sounded pretty much the same as the other maps I've owned. Not worth the price they go for. IMO. I bough it used for a good price and sold it for what I paid.

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post #11 of 21
3/8/13 at 4:12pm
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just curious stanley what speakers were you using it with at the time? thumb was tweeter center the hi fi store chain that went out of business? I hear that people said that it was overpriced and a shady company.
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post #12 of 21
3/8/13 at 4:40pm
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thumb was tweeter center the hi fi store chain that went out of business? I hear that people said that it was overpriced and a shady company.

Yup, that's them. The store near me used to be called Bryn Mawr before changing its name to Tweeter.
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post #13 of 21
3/8/13 at 4:57pm
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I heard that tweeter center wasn't nice about returns even if it was defective and were like high pressure used car salesmen. Is this all true?
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post #14 of 21
3/8/13 at 5:06pm
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just curious stanley what speakers were you using it with at the time? thumb was tweeter center the hi fi store chain that went out of business? I hear that people said that it was overpriced and a shady company.

 

A few different speakers.  Vandersteen 2ce Signatures, Thiel 2.2's and JM Lab Cobalt 820's. Also a pair of DIY's that you're probably not familiar with.

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post #15 of 21
3/8/13 at 5:14pm
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Thiel is the speaker that a lot of people want but can't afford? I hear that Thiel can get pretty expensive. Do thiels have a lot of bass? I hear that they can be hard to drive speakers.
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post #16 of 21
3/8/13 at 6:00pm
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Thiel is the speaker that a lot of people want but can't afford? I hear that Thiel can get pretty expensive. Do thiels have a lot of bass? I hear that they can be hard to drive speakers.

 

 

Not that expensive. I bought them used. New speakers lose a lot of value once to take them out of them box and use them. I've bought most of the speakers I've owned used.

The Thiels I had weren't that hard to drive. I don't listen at high volumes.

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post #17 of 21
3/8/13 at 6:13pm
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I bought my energy veritas 6.2 speakers used from the dealer
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post #18 of 21
3/8/13 at 6:14pm
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you are right Stanley I have seen great deals on used speakers/amps from dealers or even people on craigslist who upgraded to something better.
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post #19 of 21
3/8/13 at 9:15pm
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thumb when you said that the krell amp didn't sound remarkable do you agree with stanley that krell isn't worth the high asking price that they charge?
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post #20 of 21
3/8/13 at 9:54pm
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I heard that tweeter center wasn't nice about returns even if it was defective and were like high pressure used car salesmen. Is this all true?
Not in my experience. I bought quite a bit of gear from a Tweeter in MA years ago, and I remember I bought one of the first pairs of KEF Uni-Q speakers. After 2 days, I brought them back with my ears bleeding and they exchanged them. I think for Polk LS-70's, which were a pretty decent speaker in their day.
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post #21 of 21
3/8/13 at 10:12pm
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speaking of kef I don't see a lot of dealers that have them to hear. I had to go to new york city to hear them. the store only had one pair to hear. they were about 4 thousand.
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