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post #121 of 1724
Has anyone compared the wireless stability with the Roku 3 vs. the Roku 2 XS? I have the latter hardwired to my router. Due to network instability, I had to move my modem and router into the living room. If I get a Roku 3, I'd like to put that in the living room and move the 2 XS into the bedroom but I worry that some of my wireless issues will come back. I could always just put the Roku 3 in the bedroom and use the wireless if it's stable enough.

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post #122 of 1724
Wireless is always a try and see proposition. Too many variables to predict where it may be good or not. You can get some indication with a smartphone app like WiFi-Analyzer.
post #123 of 1724
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

How does Plex play on the Roku 3? Smooth, faster? I am also curious if the data from Plex is being pulled into the results when doing a content search on the box. Example: I type in "Jaws" it will show the movie tile record with Netflix next to it and another record with Hulu... You click the record and the movie plays in that source. If I have the movie file indexed in Plex would it come back in the search results and play in Plex?

I didn't use Plex very often on the Roku 2, so I can't really say whether it's any faster on the Roku 3, tho I assume that it is due to the faster processor. It crashed HARD the first time I tried it. I wanted to see if Plex on the Roku 3 could direct-play my high-bitrate copy of Avatar any better than on the Roku 2. It hung while loading the movie... and then rebooted and got stuck on the Pixar-ish boot screen for 15 minutes before I gave up and tried to power cycle it. I eventually had to do a complete hard reset in order to get the thing running again. I've since tried to direct-play a couple of slightly lower bitrate movies but most of them just end up causing the Roku to reboot. So I don't think I'll be using Plex very often! biggrin.gif

The Plex library does not get included in the Roku 3 search results. I tried searching for a few titles that are in my Plex Library; the Roku found results for them in Vudu and Neflix, but not Plex.

The headphone feature of the Roku 3's remote control does not work with Plex, either.
post #124 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Wireless is always a try and see proposition. Too many variables to predict where it may be good or not. You can get some indication with a smartphone app like WiFi-Analyzer.

If you are having wireless problems, get a new high quality router
post #125 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Doctego View Post

Has anyone compared the wireless stability with the Roku 3 vs. the Roku 2 XS? I have the latter hardwired to my router. Due to network instability, I had to move my modem and router into the living room. If I get a Roku 3, I'd like to put that in the living room and move the 2 XS into the bedroom but I worry that some of my wireless issues will come back. I could always just put the Roku 3 in the bedroom and use the wireless if it's stable enough.

I haven't tried wireless on my Roku 3 yet, but wireless from my Roku2 boxes has always been rock solid. Everything has been just as quick whether using a wired or wireless connection with my Roku 2 boxes. So I would expect the Roku 3 to be just as solid.
post #126 of 1724
^^^ The Roku 3 on the 2.4 GHz band is about the same as the Roku2 XS (most of our Rokus are on a wired network, but the one that has been wireless is rock solid). There is one major advantage for the Roku 3 though, it can also use the 5GHz band, if your router is a dual-band with 5GHz. In that sense, it would be superior to the Roku2's as the 5GHz band is not usually as cluttered (most wireless devices use the 2.4).

Also, keep in mind, the main issue is the stability of your Router, stability of your Modem, and stability of your internet service. If any one of those have a problem, then the whole system has a problem.
post #127 of 1724
Can anyone give me some guidance here.

I have an old Roku HD (2000C) that was in the bedroom but has recently been retasked to run Netflix on a 24" TV setup in front of the treadmill. Due to the close distance you can really see a lot of the macroblocking and noise in the 720p Netflix feed being played on the older roku.

My question is, does Netflx stream higher bitrate feeds to this new roku if you set it up to output 1080p vs the older 720p roku I'm using now? Does the new Roku get the same high bitrate feeds as the PS3 does (assuming the show being watched offers the high bitrate in the first place)?

-Suntan
post #128 of 1724
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

^^^ The Roku 3 on the 2.4 GHz band is about the same as the Roku2 XS (most of our Rokus are on a wired network, but the one that has been wireless is rock solid). There is one major advantage for the Roku 3 though, it can also use the 5GHz band, if your router is a dual-band with 5GHz. In that sense, it would be superior to the Roku2's as the 5GHz band is not usually as cluttered (most wireless devices use the 2.4).

Also, keep in mind, the main issue is the stability of your Router, stability of your Modem, and stability of your internet service. If any one of those have a problem, then the whole system has a problem.

In my limited understanding of wireless networks, I believe that the 5 GHz is usually less cluttered but has less range than the 2.4 GHz. Is this correct? I was having issues with my Roku 2 XS and my router. The router was about 18-20 feet away, with a wall in between. The Roku 3 would be about 15 feet away, with a wall in between. I have a dual band router but I only had a 2.4 GHz connection when I was having my original issues. I had forgotten that a Netgear rep had me remove the 5 GHz band from my network in the past for some reason. That issue has since been rectified.
post #129 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Can anyone give me some guidance here.

I have an old Roku HD (2000C) that was in the bedroom but has recently been retasked to run Netflix on a 24" TV setup in front of the treadmill. Due to the close distance you can really see a lot of the macroblocking and noise in the 720p Netflix feed being played on the older roku.

My question is, does Netflx stream higher bitrate feeds to this new roku if you set it up to output 1080p vs the older 720p roku I'm using now? Does the new Roku get the same high bitrate feeds as the PS3 does (assuming the show being watched offers the high bitrate in the first place)?

-Suntan

We have a similar setup in our kitchen, close to a 24" monitor with a Roku2 XS set to 1080p and it looks just fine. I do not have the HD model, all XS and also the new 3. They all look great when set to 1080p and close viewing range.
post #130 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Doctego View Post

In my limited understanding of wireless networks, I believe that the 5 GHz is usually less cluttered but has less range than the 2.4 GHz. Is this correct? I was having issues with my Roku 2 XS and my router. The router was about 18-20 feet away, with a wall in between. The Roku 3 would be about 15 feet away, with a wall in between. I have a dual band router but I only had a 2.4 GHz connection when I was having my original issues. I had forgotten that a Netgear rep had me remove the 5 GHz band from my network in the past for some reason. That issue has since been rectified.

Hi. You are correct, the 5 GHz does have less range but not that much. A lot depends on your router. We have the Netgear R6300 router and the range of both bands easily reaches, in our house, over 50 feet with no issues (50 foot radius from the router) with a full signal. Just about all our equipment is hard wired to the net through gigabit switches, but the one Roku2 XS that is in our kitchen is wireless, and is 40' away, through 3 walls and has no issues at all. Note that I have the router located 4' above the floor level. I'm not sure what router you have, but it may be time to upgrade (only if you are having issues).
post #131 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

My question is, does Netflx stream higher bitrate feeds to this new roku if you set it up to output 1080p vs the older 720p roku I'm using now? Does the new Roku get the same high bitrate feeds as the PS3 does (assuming the show being watched offers the high bitrate in the first place)?

All of the newer Roku models (Roku 2s, HD 2500, LT and Roku 3) can stream Netflix's 1080p streams, DD+ 5.1 sound and closed-captions/subtitles, none of which were available to the older models. Their Netflix players use a technology called "Adaptive Bit Rate Streaming" (aka ABS), which will smoothly switch up and down through several video encodes at different bit-rates/picture-quality as its ability to keep its buffer full changes (probably due to fluctuations in available bandwidth on its connections to Netflix's servers). Most HD titles have three 1080p encodes, at 3850-, 4300- and 5800 Kbps. The 4300- and 5800- Kbps encodes are what Netflix calls "Super HD" and they're only available if your network provider has signed up to access Netflix's private content distribution network (CDN) which they call Open Connect. Very few ISPs have signed up thus far, the largest being Cox Communications and Cablevision.

Typically you need about 120% of the bit rate of a video encode to stay ahead of it, which would be about 4600 Kbps for the lowest bit rate 1080p encode, 5200- and 7000 Kbps for the Super HD ones. Go to https://owner.roku.com/Add and enter "speedtest" to get a channel which will give you a rough idea of the network bandwidth you can get to your box.
post #132 of 1724
how do you play files from a local network , does it support .iso playback, or is it just an overpriced Netflix player
post #133 of 1724
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Originally Posted by radco View Post

how do you play files from a local network , does it support .iso playback, or is it just an overpriced Netflix player

If your primary goal is network playback and ISO files then you should look elsewhere like one of the Mede8er players. It will playback from a network using a channel like Roksbox but you need to set up a web server on your NAS or whatever your using. Your still limited to MP4/MKV though. There's also the option of installing Plex if your server is powerful enough to transcode but there's still better options.
post #134 of 1724
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post

If you are having wireless problems, get a new high quality router

That guarantees nothing.
post #135 of 1724
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Hi. You are correct, the 5 GHz does have less range but not that much. A lot depends on your router. We have the Netgear R6300 router and the range of both bands easily reaches, in our house, over 50 feet with no issues (50 foot radius from the router) with a full signal. Just about all our equipment is hard wired to the net through gigabit switches, but the one Roku2 XS that is in our kitchen is wireless, and is 40' away, through 3 walls and has no issues at all. Note that I have the router located 4' above the floor level. I'm not sure what router you have, but it may be time to upgrade (only if you are having issues).

Thanks for the reply. My apologies for not listing which router I have. I have this router:

http://www.netgear.com/service-provider/products/routers-and-gateways/fast-ethernet-routers-gateways/WNDR3300.aspx#

I'm not currently having issues and, if I get a Roku 3, it's more because of extra gift cards laying around than anything else. My router is only 2' off of the floor. I know that's not ideal but it has to be there to also be able to hardwire my Roku 2 XS.
post #136 of 1724
Just hooked up my Roku 3 and just like my other 3 units (Roku 1, XR, 2-XS) no problems at all. Really like this new addition but was wondering if anyone has any new info about why or when channels like all the Angry Birds games aren't showing up or when they will. Nothing new over in the Roku forums about this particular problem. Thanks.
post #137 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Doctego View Post

Thanks for the reply. My apologies for not listing which router I have. I have this router:

http://www.netgear.com/service-provider/products/routers-and-gateways/fast-ethernet-routers-gateways/WNDR3300.aspx#

I'm not currently having issues and, if I get a Roku 3, it's more because of extra gift cards laying around than anything else. My router is only 2' off of the floor. I know that's not ideal but it has to be there to also be able to hardwire my Roku 2 XS.

Mike above pretty much nailed it. You do need to confirm your speed at the location of your Roku. Put a laptop in the area and check your download speed (Speedtest.net or bandwithplace.com). I mentioned that all parts of your system need to be checked for issues as I have run across them before. My parents had an issue with theirs and it turned out to be their modem, not router. Their download speed was only 5MB/S. When we upgraded the modem, they got 35MB/S (the router was pretty new). When I moved into the house I'm currently in, the issue was not my equipment, but my ISP. They had to change the cable from the street to the house as it was damaged (the house itself I re-wired myself).
post #138 of 1724
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

Just hooked up my Roku 3 and just like my other 3 units (Roku 1, XR, 2-XS) no problems at all. Really like this new addition but was wondering if anyone has any new info about why or when channels like all the Angry Birds games aren't showing up or when they will. Nothing new over in the Roku forums about this particular problem. Thanks.

I was curious about this also. I don't play AB, but my 6yo son love to play and we have all 4 versions installed on our Roku2's. Hopefully they will update the 3 to have them also. Not an issue at the moment as I put the Roku3 in the media room which is primarily for viewing movies and music.
post #139 of 1724
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

Just hooked up my Roku 3 and just like my other 3 units (Roku 1, XR, 2-XS) no problems at all. Really like this new addition but was wondering if anyone has any new info about why or when channels like all the Angry Birds games aren't showing up or when they will. Nothing new over in the Roku forums about this particular problem. Thanks.

I can't find the thread but RokuShawn said that those games and some others will be appearing in the Channel Store for Roku 3 "soon".
post #140 of 1724
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Mike above pretty much nailed it. You do need to confirm your speed at the location of your Roku. Put a laptop in the area and check your download speed (Speedtest.net or bandwithplace.com).

You can also go to https://owner.roku.com/Add and enter "speedtest" to get a channel which will allow you to do the test within your Roku. (To get it immediately installed on a Roku 3 you'll have to go into setting and check for a system update). If I were testing wireless speed that's how I'd do it. The speed which a laptop can get in the area where the Roku is may differ from what the Roku is getting or can get with its radio and antenna.
post #141 of 1724
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

You can also go to https://owner.roku.com/Add and enter "speedtest" to get a channel which will allow you to do the test within your Roku. (To get it immediately installed on a Roku 3 you'll have to go into setting and check for a system update). If I were testing wireless speed that's how I'd do it. The speed which a laptop can get in the area where the Roku is may differ from what the Roku is getting or can get with its radio and antenna.

Sweet, I didn't know there was a speedtest channel. I just added to all my Rokus.
As an aside, I don't usually use a laptop to test my wireless in our house, but an Android App which works just fine (it's the same as speedtest.net). It's a lot easier to move around with a phone...
post #142 of 1724
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Mike above pretty much nailed it. You do need to confirm your speed at the location of your Roku. Put a laptop in the area and check your download speed (Speedtest.net or bandwithplace.com). I mentioned that all parts of your system need to be checked for issues as I have run across them before. My parents had an issue with theirs and it turned out to be their modem, not router. Their download speed was only 5MB/S. When we upgraded the modem, they got 35MB/S (the router was pretty new). When I moved into the house I'm currently in, the issue was not my equipment, but my ISP. They had to change the cable from the street to the house as it was damaged (the house itself I re-wired myself).

My cable and modem are fine. When I run a speed test on my hardwired PC, I get 18 down and 2 up, which should be plenty. I might try the laptop idea to check the wireless signal in that room. Good call.smile.gif

I downloaded and ran the Ookla speed test app on my iPhone 4S and everything looks good. Does it matter that my phone can only recognize and connect to my 2.4 GHz network? I ran the test on my phone connected directly to my wireless 2.4GHz network as well as the 2.4GHz network on my range extender and the extender network was substantially slower.
Edited by Doctego - 3/13/13 at 4:22pm
post #143 of 1724
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I can't find the thread but RokuShawn said that those games and some others will be appearing in the Channel Store for Roku 3 "soon".
Thanks for the update. Will keep my eyes open.
post #144 of 1724
^^^ Yes, thanks. Will be looking out also.
post #145 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Doctego View Post

My cable and modem are fine. When I run a speed test on my hardwired PC, I get 18 down and 2 up, which should be plenty. I might try the laptop idea to check the wireless signal in that room. Good call.smile.gif

I downloaded and ran the Ookla speed test app on my iPhone 4S and everything looks good. Does it matter that my phone can only recognize and connect to my 2.4 GHz network? I ran the test on my phone connected directly to my wireless 2.4GHz network as well as the 2.4GHz network on my range extender and the extender network was substantially slower.

That App should be fine. What was your wireless speed?

Note that the throughput on a range extender is always much slower - usually 50%. Always connect to your main router if you are within range. Range extenders are basically to give you coverage in an area that you normally wouldn't, but it's not ideal.

Since your phone only 'sees' the 2.4 GHz band, it means that it is not 5 GHz capable (most items are not - we only have a few in our house that can use the 5 GHz such as the new Kindle Fire - the one from a year ago only had the 2.4 GHz). This is one of the main advantages of the Roku3 - it has the 5 GHz band (plus a faster processor, so far I'm liking it).
post #146 of 1724
I just tried out the SpeedTest on my Roku 3 and Roku 2 boxes.
With the Roku 3 over a wired connection the fastest I'm getting is around 80Mb/s. At 2.4Ghz I'm getting around 50Mb/s and at 5Ghz I'm getting 60Mb/s.
With the Roku 2 the fastest I'm getting is around 55Mb/s over the wired connection and around 20Mb/s over wireless.

And those speeds have always been fast enough with my Roku 2 to not have any issues getting SuperHD on Netflix or 3 bar HDX on Vudu. So the Roku 3 should certainly not have any issues.
Edited by aaronwt - 3/13/13 at 7:03pm
post #147 of 1724
Wow aaronwt!!! That's SCREAMING internet speed! The fastest we have here is through Comcast/Xfinity and it's 50 Mb/s. I wish it was faster, but we have no problems with streaming to multiple devices in HD all at once. I did the best I could to get the best Ethernet throughout the house since we stream everything (cut the cable a long time ago). Faster ISP would be welcome though. Here is our Ethernet setup:



Edited by cavchameleon - 3/13/13 at 8:14pm
post #148 of 1724
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

That App should be fine. What was your wireless speed?

Note that the throughput on a range extender is always much slower - usually 50%. Always connect to your main router if you are within range. Range extenders are basically to give you coverage in an area that you normally wouldn't, but it's not ideal.

Since your phone only 'sees' the 2.4 GHz band, it means that it is not 5 GHz capable (most items are not - we only have a few in our house that can use the 5 GHz such as the new Kindle Fire - the one from a year ago only had the 2.4 GHz). This is one of the main advantages of the Roku3 - it has the 5 GHz band (plus a faster processor, so far I'm liking it).

That makes sense. On my desktop, I am getting 5 bars on both extender networks but only 3 bars on my 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz networks. That said, I did a speed test on my phone and got 16 down and 3 up on my 2.4 GHz network and 10 down and 2 up on my 2.4 GHz extender network. I ran the same test on my iPad and got the following results:

2.4 GHz - 12/2
2.4 GHz EXT - 8/2
5 GHz - 17/3
5 GHz EXT - 8/2
post #149 of 1724
Headphone Jack Problem

If I'm watching a movie in DD+, my headphone jack does not work. If I stick to "stereo" they work fine. I've got the Roku 3 set for Surround Sound. The Roku 3 goes directly into my Pioneer receiver. While watching a movie on VUDU in HDX, it streams in DD+ to my receiver. If I plug in a headset, nothing happens. If I plug in the headset before starting the movie, the sound is streamed in PCM and the headsets work. On Amazon, with a movie in Dolby Digital, the same thing happened. Headset jack did not work, if I plug in the headset before starting the movie, it works and streams in PCM. I can then plug it in and out and it still works. (The sound is not as good, however, as DD.)

Anybody else seeing this?

Thanks,
post #150 of 1724
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Originally Posted by artseattle View Post

Headphone Jack Problem

If I'm watching a movie in DD+, my headphone jack does not work. If I stick to "stereo" they work fine. I've got the Roku 3 set for Surround Sound. The Roku 3 goes directly into my Pioneer receiver. While watching a movie on VUDU in HDX, it streams in DD+ to my receiver. If I plug in a headset, nothing happens. If I plug in the headset before starting the movie, the sound is streamed in PCM and the headsets work. On Amazon, with a movie in Dolby Digital, the same thing happened. Headset jack did not work, if I plug in the headset before starting the movie, it works and streams in PCM. I can then plug it in and out and it still works. (The sound is not as good, however, as DD.)

Anybody else seeing this?

KInd of makes sense--it only streams PCM if you ask for stereo or if the audio sink's capability is limited to stereo, as when you plug headphones into the remote. The fact that it can't switch in mid-stream is a trivial limitation; now that you know, stop the stream, plug in the headphones and start it again.
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