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post #571 of 1724
I think it's time I broke down and got off my cheap ass and got a Roku3. I don't have one at all right now, and I stream Netflix from the native app on my Vizio TV, through WiFi. But it will constantly stop the show and do the "loading" thing. Sometimes, more than once during the same show. Getting really old. I was pretty sure it was the network and wireless and tried this and that. No option to hardwire the TV to the network sadly. Then I realized that our old TV in the bedroom where we run Netflix from the Wii, doesn't have any problems. I realize it's not streaming in HD, but still. So I'm thinking it's just a crappy app in the TV and not my network so much.

So, are there any problems running Netflix or Amazon Online over WiFi on the Roku3? I do have a dual band router so I think it's awesome I can take advantage of a lesser used frequency on this thing. Is it a pretty rock solid device for streaming shows, even over wireless? What about streaming from a NAS? I read a few posts where it's not native(shame on Roku) but it can be done with a media server running.

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post #572 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Squidwalker View Post

I think it's time I broke down and got off my cheap ass and got a Roku3. I don't have one at all right now, and I stream Netflix from the native app on my Vizio TV, through WiFi. But it will constantly stop the show and do the "loading" thing. Sometimes, more than once during the same show. Getting really old. I was pretty sure it was the network and wireless and tried this and that. No option to hardwire the TV to the network sadly. Then I realized that our old TV in the bedroom where we run Netflix from the Wii, doesn't have any problems. I realize it's not streaming in HD, but still. So I'm thinking it's just a crappy app in the TV and not my network so much.

So, are there any problems running Netflix or Amazon Online over WiFi on the Roku3? I do have a dual band router so I think it's awesome I can take advantage of a lesser used frequency on this thing. Is it a pretty rock solid device for streaming shows, even over wireless? What about streaming from a NAS? I read a few posts where it's not native(shame on Roku) but it can be done with a media server running.

No problems as long as your wireless network is setup properly and you have proper internet speeds. In my use with my Roku 2 and Roku3 boxes. Performance is identical whether I use a wired connection or wireless connection. Of course that isn't difficult since none of the streaming apps really need much bandwidth to work properly. But if the wi-Fi network is not setup correctly then of course there can be issues.
post #573 of 1724
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

But if the wi-Fi network is not setup correctly then of course there can be issues.

Can you elaborate? What would not be set up correctly in a wireless setup?
post #574 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Squidwalker View Post

I think it's time I broke down and got off my cheap ass and got a Roku3. I don't have one at all right now, and I stream Netflix from the native app on my Vizio TV, through WiFi. But it will constantly stop the show and do the "loading" thing. Sometimes, more than once during the same show. Getting really old. I was pretty sure it was the network and wireless and tried this and that. No option to hardwire the TV to the network sadly. Then I realized that our old TV in the bedroom where we run Netflix from the Wii, doesn't have any problems. I realize it's not streaming in HD, but still. So I'm thinking it's just a crappy app in the TV and not my network so much.

So, are there any problems running Netflix or Amazon Online over WiFi on the Roku3? I do have a dual band router so I think it's awesome I can take advantage of a lesser used frequency on this thing. Is it a pretty rock solid device for streaming shows, even over wireless? What about streaming from a NAS? I read a few posts where it's not native(shame on Roku) but it can be done with a media server running.

I love my Roku 3. However, just know that the Roku 3 can not pass HD Audio. SO if you have any BluRay Rips with Dolby HD or DTS HD, the Roku will down sample this to Dolby D. I spoke with Roku Tech support for at least 45 minutes trying to figure out why my AVR would only say Dolby D when in fact I had HD Audio. A senior Tech finally admitted that the Roku 3 can not pass HD audio.
post #575 of 1724
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Can you elaborate? What would not be set up correctly in a wireless setup?

Well if you don't have enough Access Points so you have too many devices for the amount of APs which will reduce your throughput or your devices are too far away from the APs to get a decent signal strength which will again reduce your throughput.
Or if you are in a area, like a High rise, where there might be alot of Wi-Fi signals using the same frequencies. That can cause issues as well.
post #576 of 1724
Sounds good. My WiFi is setup well. I'm only in an apartment, and the AP is in the middle of the unit. I have it tuned in pretty well and locked up, so only my household devices are using it. I scanned around to find a channel least used in the building. As I said, my Wiii doesn't have issues, so I'm pretty sure it's just the crappy Netflix app of the TV.

What is the output type to the TV? Is it HDMI or what? Tech specs on the Roku page doesn't specify.
post #577 of 1724
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Well if you don't have enough Access Points so you have too many devices for the amount of APs which will reduce your throughput or your devices are too far away from the APs to get a decent signal strength which will again reduce your throughput.
Or if you are in a area, like a High rise, where there might be alot of Wi-Fi signals using the same frequencies. That can cause issues as well.

Oh, I thought you were referring to actual configuration of the router.

My Router is dual band and I use my 5GHz radio for Roku. I don't have to worry about my band being over crowded.
post #578 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Squidwalker View Post

Sounds good. My WiFi is setup well. I'm only in an apartment, and the AP is in the middle of the unit. I have it tuned in pretty well and locked up, so only my household devices are using it. I scanned around to find a channel least used in the building. As I said, my Wiii doesn't have issues, so I'm pretty sure it's just the crappy Netflix app of the TV.

What is the output type to the TV? Is it HDMI or what? Tech specs on the Roku page doesn't specify.

It's HDMI only.
post #579 of 1724
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

I spoke with Roku Tech support for at least 45 minutes trying to figure out why my AVR would only say Dolby D when in fact I had HD Audio. A senior Tech finally admitted that the Roku 3 can not pass HD audio.
I don't know what you mean by HD audio, except like Dolby True HD, or DTS Master Audio on a Bluray.

The Roku passes through Dolby Digital for Amazon, and Dolby Digital Plus for Netflix and Vudu.
post #580 of 1724
The question is whether Plex is passing it, received via DLNA (I presume). I can assure you that Roku's not converting it or otherwise touching it. They license no Dolby or DTS tech and just pass those audio formats through.
post #581 of 1724
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Originally Posted by CaptainVideoJW View Post

I don't know what you mean by HD audio, except like Dolby True HD, or DTS Master Audio on a Bluray.

The Roku passes through Dolby Digital for Amazon, and Dolby Digital Plus for Netflix and Vudu.

Dolby Digital Plus is an advanced audio codec. But a lossy one. You still need HDMI 1.3 to bitstream it just like with Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA. The Roku could probably pass the lossless advanced audio codecs too, if they paid to have a license for that capability. But since the main use is for the streaming apps which only use pcm, dd, or DD+. There would not be a reason to incur the extra expense. Especially since their profit margin is probably very thin to begin with.
post #582 of 1724
As I stated, they don't pay to license any sound format. You won't find mention of DD or DD+ or the Dolby logo anywhere in their documentation or on their product. They don't need to since they do not process the sound in any way shape or fashion, just pass it through to the downstream HDMI sink. I'm sure that they could pass the lossless formats through as well if they want to.
post #583 of 1724
There is a thread just on PLEX if you want more info:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389096/plex-discussion-thread
post #584 of 1724
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Originally Posted by JW1212 View Post

Have 2 issues with Roku 3 if anyone can help:

1) I run it through Marantz receiver which then sends the video through an HDMI matrix to a 1080p TV. I'm noticing in the Display Settings of the Roku that it is set to output 720p, but the TV is receiving a 1080p signal (maybe the receiver upscales?). When I change this to 1080p, the TV then switches to 480p. Anyone know what is happening here?

2) The Roku 3 doesn't have a separate audio out anymore, but I use an audio matrix to distribute sound, is there a way to get a separate sound on of this box?

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Originally Posted by RyanDinan View Post

Have you tried to connect the Roku (set @ 1080P) directly to your TV to see what happens? I would venture to guess that your Marantz is doing something funky to the signal...
I got my Roku 3 with the idea that I would have to settle for PCM audio via my TV's optical output to my Denon AVR 3802. To my surprise, my TV is passing DD 5.1 via it's optical out (I have an older LCD Samsung LN52A630) - at least with HBO GO. This is very odd considering Samsung has specifically stated that this should not be the case - it's only supposed to pass DD 5.1 if it is from an OTA broadcast from the internal tuner. Apparently there is more to this. I'm guessing it has something to do with the handshake between the Roku and the TV. I made sure my Roku was set to "surround" in the audio settings...
But anyway, I digress. If your receiver is capable of switching HDMI, which it appears to be, why can't you send the audio out from it , to your matrix? Doesn't your Marantz have a digital out? If not, try what I did above and see if you're lucky smile.gif

-Ryan

So actually the Roku goes into the hdmi matrix first of which one of the outputs then goes to the receiver. When connected directly to the receiver 1080p works just fine so something is screwy w/ the matrix. Tivo boxes from RCN work just fine outputting 1080i though through the matrix.

Regarding 2, that's where the problem lies. Because the roku goes into the matrix first which then outputs to 4 different rooms, only the main room which goes through the receiver first gets sounds split out. I need the audio out from the roku because that goes into a separate audio matrix which distributes the sound to the different locations in ceiling speakers
post #585 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Dominic26 View Post

Question for those streaming MLB. Is it me or does it seem that MLB does not have that great a picture on the Roku. I do not see a difference between my XDS and 3. The only other factor would be my service (ATT DSL). Any thoughts?

I have compared the Roku 3 and WDTV Live side by side while streaming MLB. On first inspection, the WDTV Live PQ is definitely superior. However I have noticed that after a minute or so the Roku 3 PQ will improve to match the WDTV Live. I would explain this as the way each unit handles video buffering...and this is only guessing on my part:

The WDTV LIve takes a very long time to actually start streaming the game, most likely buffering ahead of time to get the video quality up to speed. The Roku 3 on the other hand starts streaming almost instantly with raw video stream while buffering in the background. After a minute or so as the Roku 3 gets it's stream in order and the PQ of the Roku 3 rises to that of the WDTV Live.

Since I hate to look at the 'spinning arrow', I prefer the Roku 3's handling of MLB. By the way I have DSL at only 3 mbps...actually 2.8 if you want to get technical.
post #586 of 1724
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Originally Posted by jscudder View Post

I have compared the Roku 3 and WDTV Live side by side while streaming MLB. On first inspection, the WDTV Live PQ is definitely superior. However I have noticed that after a minute or so the Roku 3 PQ will improve to match the WDTV Live. I would explain this as the way each unit handles video buffering...and this is only guessing on my part:

The WDTV LIve takes a very long time to actually start streaming the game, most likely buffering ahead of time to get the video quality up to speed. The Roku 3 on the other hand starts streaming almost instantly with raw video stream while buffering in the background. After a minute or so as the Roku 3 gets it's stream in order and the PQ of the Roku 3 rises to that of the WDTV Live.

Since I hate to look at the 'spinning arrow', I prefer the Roku 3's handling of MLB. By the way I have DSL at only 3 mbps...actually 2.8 if you want to get technical.

The worst is the centerfield camera for SNY broadcasts of the NY Mets (yes, I suffer, but it is my team). All other cameras at Citi Field, and other games are not that bad. Unfortunately, most of the game comes from that angle.
post #587 of 1724
I just received my Roku 3 and downloaded the droid app for my Motorola Droid Xoom tablet.
I really like both the R3 and the app is so freakin cool it hurts!! wink.gif

Being able to stream both all my music and pictures (in a slide show manner) at the same time, is just perfect for adding a party background! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

BUT ....... I am having an issue that I can't sort out ......... how do you make a playlist that the Roku app will see?!?! confused.gif

I used the music app in the Xoom to make a playlist (in fact a few of them) but the Roku app never sees them.
I dumped the music data catch in my Xoom and rebooted .....but still no luck. frown.gif

Anyone have any ideas???



P.S. ..... I failed to mention that I could see no way to use the Roku app itself, to make a playlist. (???)

Edited by Flyer91 - 6/16/13 at 10:01am
post #588 of 1724
The Roku app leaves much to be desired in music streaming which I use a lot. It won't play some songs for no reason that I can determine. All my songs are mp3s. It won't even see some songs on my Samsung Galaxy tab even though they are clearly there when I look at the files on my SDcard. As for playlists,I have never even attempted those. I don't think you can.
post #589 of 1724
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Originally Posted by jscudder View Post

I have compared the Roku 3 and WDTV Live side by side while streaming MLB. On first inspection, the WDTV Live PQ is definitely superior. However I have noticed that after a minute or so the Roku 3 PQ will improve to match the WDTV Live. I would explain this as the way each unit handles video buffering...and this is only guessing on my part:

The WDTV LIve takes a very long time to actually start streaming the game, most likely buffering ahead of time to get the video quality up to speed. The Roku 3 on the other hand starts streaming almost instantly with raw video stream while buffering in the background. After a minute or so as the Roku 3 gets it's stream in order and the PQ of the Roku 3 rises to that of the WDTV Live.

Since I hate to look at the 'spinning arrow', I prefer the Roku 3's handling of MLB. By the way I have DSL at only 3 mbps...actually 2.8 if you want to get technical.

I would attribute this to your internet connection. On my Roku 3 all my apps start in the highest quality and do not change, granted I have cable internet at 20mbps.
post #590 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

I would attribute this to your internet connection. On my Roku 3 all my apps start in the highest quality and do not change, granted I have cable internet at 20mbps.

Really? Even Netflix? If Netflix starts at highest quality for you on Roku 3 then you may be in some kind of unique situation. Netflix (on Roku 3) never starts at the highest quality for me and I have 30 Mbps service from an ISP set up for Open Connect access. Play "Example Short 23.976" and tell me what you see.

Also, do you have MLB?

It sounds as if MLB, like Netflix, uses adaptive bit rate streaming tech on the Roku 3. This means that it seamlessly switches to better quality video encodes as available bandwidth on its connections to the servers increases and down to lower quality ones if conditions take a turn for the worse. Often such streamers will start low to get something on the screen immediately and gradually ramp up to higher bit rate video encodes.
post #591 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

I would attribute this to your internet connection. On my Roku 3 all my apps start in the highest quality and do not change, granted I have cable internet at 20mbps.

Interesting. I have Fios internet at 50mbps and I get the initial low quality then high quality once bandwidth is determined by the Roku. I wish mine was instant!
post #592 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Plasmacat View Post

The Roku app leaves much to be desired in music streaming which I use a lot. It won't play some songs for no reason that I can determine. All my songs are mp3s. It won't even see some songs on my Samsung Galaxy tab even though they are clearly there when I look at the files on my SDcard. As for playlists,I have never even attempted those. I don't think you can.

I don't have any issues with it playing any of my MP3s from my Xoom (droid tab) .... but for the life of me I just can't figure out how to make the playlist option work.

The app is touted as having that capability, and it does have it in the menu, but I just can't seem to see how to actually make a playlist that works. confused.gif

I'm sure my old eyes/brain are missing something ......... frown.gif
post #593 of 1724
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Interesting. I have Fios internet at 50mbps and I get the initial low quality then high quality once bandwidth is determined by the Roku. I wish mine was instant!

+1 ... same experience for me. I have a 50Mbps Comcast Business Class connections and Netflix always starts at low PQ and then quickly ramps up. I prefer the Amazon video app on my BD player, as it tests the connection before playing the content. Better experience, IMO. I can't recall if the Amazon app on the Roku works that way, as well.
post #594 of 1724
I mainly use my Apple TV for Netlfix because the Roku always starts at the lower quality version. It's a shame because the Roku plays Dolby Digital+ but that's not enough to convince me to use it for Netflix.
post #595 of 1724
Netflix always releases their newest tech on the PS3 first; they've stated that it's the single platform most used for streaming their service. Sometime in the past few months they made an update which gets to the highest bit-rate/quality video encodes very quickly. For me it's been usually starting (in about 3 seconds) at the 4300 Kbps lower "Super HD" encode; occasionally it backs down to 3850- or 3000 Kbps for a couple of seconds and returns, but that's nothing like starting at 235-, 375- or 560 Kbps (sub 480 res), as it sometimes does on Roku and other platforms. Occasionally it'll start in one of the 480 res encodes on other platforms but not consistently.

Of course I don't want to use my launch model PS3 for Netflix; it draws a lot of power and has a noisy fan which kicks after its been running for about 15 minutes. I just hope that Netflix can bring the PS3 player's stream start algorithm to more platforms soon.
post #596 of 1724
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Originally Posted by Neil S. Bulk View Post

I mainly use my Apple TV for Netlfix because the Roku always starts at the lower quality version. It's a shame because the Roku plays Dolby Digital+ but that's not enough to convince me to use it for Netflix.

Me too... I've found that the Apple TV works best for Netflix because it always starts out at a great resolution. All the others (TiVo, BD player, Roku) seem to start at the lower resolutions. The Roku 3, in my opinion is the best device for watching Vudu content as I have never yet received any buffering issues (hopefully I just didn't jinx it)? smile.gif
Edited by lujan - 6/17/13 at 1:15pm
post #597 of 1724
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

but that's nothing like starting at 235-, 375- or 560 Kbps (sub 480 res), as it sometimes does on Roku and other platforms. Occasionally it'll start in one of the 480 res encodes on other platforms but not consistently.

Even on my PS3 I had it start or drop down to the horrible 240p encodes even with SD programs and rarely it will even buffer right away after a few seconds but within around 30 to 45 seconds it will be at 1080 highest quality and stay there which I can't always say about the crappy Netflix channel on the Roku 3 unless I use it during non peak hours. But I am on TWC which you know does not support OpenConnect so I am stuck with TWC or well TWC that is all that is available in my area.
post #598 of 1724
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

Me too... I've found that the Apple TV works best for Netflix because it always starts out at a great resolution. All the others (TiVo, BD plalyer, Roku) seem to start at the lower resolutions. The Roku 3, in my opinion is the best device for watching Vudu content as I have never yet received any buffering issues (hopefully I just didn't jinx it)? smile.gif

Darn I knew I should have gotten a Apple TV instead but I know they are going to be releasing a 4th Gen soon which I why I got the Roku 3 instead.
post #599 of 1724
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Even on my PS3 I had it start or drop down to the horrible 240p encodes even with SD programs and sometimes it will even buffer right away after a few seconds but within around 30 to 45 seconds it will be at 1080 highest quality and stay there which I can't always say about the crappy Netflix channel on the Roku 3. But I am on TWC which you know does not support OpenConnect so I am stuck with TWC or well TWC that is all that is available in my area.

Who of the major ISP's support OpenConnect? I've had TWC and Verizon Fios, neither of which support it.
post #600 of 1724
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Who of the major ISP's support OpenConnect? I've had TWC and Verizon Fios, neither of which support it.

Neither does Comcast but some dinky ISP in the Midwest supports it. Heck even someone in Brazil which is a third world country has OpenConnect support but the three biggest ISP's in the US have no support for it.
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