Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice
Which in ceiling speakers do you use? And before you assume that other posters aren't either knowledgeable or experienced, you should at the very least look at their public profiles, if not google their names. On that count, doing so with you turns up nothing.
You design speakers for a living. I have seen your website and visited it several times over the years. Your folded horn subwoofer fascinates me to the point where just last night I was trying to draw up a system in which we could put it into cabinetry to hide such a beast. I have seen the videos online of some of your products as well. The outdoor line array video is particularly a fun one. For those who haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zns6E_AG4Yc
I have absolutely ZERO doubt that you know how design a great speaker. HOWEVER.... that does not mean that you know how to design or have worked with EVERY type of speaker in all types of environments. So before you assume that someone hasn't done their homework on who they are replying to... don't. In learning about your background on your website there is nothing that indicates you have any experience being successful with in-ceiling or in-ceiling LCR designs. If you do, I would love to read about what you have been able to build because architectural speakers are the lion's share of our system design.
That being said, besides reviewing your background on them, just based on your statements about in-ceiling speakers in this thread alone shows a lack of understanding or practical experience with them. That is not to say you don't understand audio, can't build a speaker, etc. It was merely to point out that just because someone holds expertise in some areas of audio does NOT mean they are an expert in all of it. By the way, is it such a bad thing to admit expertise in some areas and novice in another? Why would anyone feign omniscience unless solely to feed their ego or insecurities ("Google me". Really, Bill?).
While I would absolutely and under no circumstances even pretend to intelligently discuss with you anything to do with folded horn loudspeakers or technical in-room cabinet design (beyond relative basics), please forgive me if I do not hold your opinion of architectural speakers in very high regard. This is where I would have to draw a line between our experiences in real life environments with real life people and a lab.I would like to address your issues in your reply to me
and, sorry to be unkind - but none of your remarks even remotely disputed my point, which was that even though some guys on a message board say that in-ceiling LCR is crap, the engineers of some very well respected companies feel differently. So much so that these companies have invested millions of dollars in R&D and MFG of their designs.
- I have an anonymous name because of business relationships I have with manufacturers in the A/V market space - similar to you saying you sign nondisclosure agreements so you can't directly say who you work for. If I give out pricing, tell someone what dealer cost is or how much negotiating room there is in a product, or disparage one product in favor of another I would be potentially hurting a business that I have spend half of my life building. Then why do it at all? Because I feel that people deserve honest answers and advice and that perhaps they aren't getting them out in the public. I am sick of the misinformation that runs rampant in A/V (including on these forums) and if I see a post where someone needs help or guidance and I am qualified to do so... I do so.
- EVERYTHING that I post is based off of 1st hand knowledge and experience or direct from the mouth of a manufacturer (in which cases I will say... "the manufacturer said"). I do not, nor do I even at this point want to know everything about everything and I will happily admit that and stay out of threads where I have nothing of substance to add.
- Since you asked, in-ceiling speakers that I been a dealer of, installed, designed environments around and for all intents & purposes used to great degrees between today and, we'll say, the past 10 years and beyond...
Why so many brands and models? Because, Bill, things change. Manufacturing processes, new and improved models, designs, etc. I refuse to get caught up in any one idea. As I stated before, this is technology we're dealing with. It is an ever changing and evolving thing. I would be doing a disservice to our clients if I were to stop evolving.
That being said... you are correct on the point that this is the internet and anyone can be anyone.