Originally Posted by cel4145
OPs come on here all the time saying that they need this or that without realizing the consequences of those choices. I believe that it's important for this community to point out when a choice is not a good one. And it's often important to emphasize that something is a BAD IDEA rather strongly to get the message across, in case alternatives are possible.
Now I'm not an audio engineer, speaker designer, or audio installer, but it's not rocket science to know that in-ceiling speakers are a BAD IDEA, even with improvements in technology.
If you disagree, and you believe in-ceiling are generally an equivalent alternative to in-wall or regular speakers, then come out and say so and say why, but with something more than speaker companies have spent lots of money on R&D.
Originally Posted by smasher50
+1 9 out of 10 people looking for advice in these forums dont have a clue on where to begin or what will give the best results for quality sound, and to get better options is a virtue i'd want if i was looking for and spending my hard earned cash on some speakers. just my 2 cents
I'm sorry, but most of the members here don't have a clue about what they are really talking about either and that's because their experience is very limited. So, as far as "community knowledge" goes this is a public forum for hobbyists where anyone can hop in and say whatever it is they want (even Mr. Fitzmaurice, who says he invented the concept of sound itself). Many of these folks have one system that they are familiar with and a few local stereo shops they go into from time to time. Some of them have incredibly impressive systems and homes as well. The problem is, again, the more narrow scope of ownership and experience from which people recommend things.
And I will be the first to say that many audio companies are very poorly educated and limited in their experiences as well. Last year we hosted a round table discussion with other integration firms around the state and asked why some of them carried the brands they carry. One guy carried Speakercraft and his answer was because most of the top 100 CI pros in the country use it so they thought it would be good to use as a main brand. Uhhhhh, what? That's a stupid reason to carry something. And this guy does a pretty decent little business (about $1,000,000 a year). Ridiculous.CEL4145
, I NEVER said that in-ceiling LCR is better than in or on wall. EVER. Why do you keep trying to push that idea on me? Is it just to argue? I will say this, and this is to my point of experience, sometimes because of room construction or room design in-ceiling LCR is a better option. No question. But, in terms of absolute performance in general... no. My argument in all of this is that in-ceiling LCR is NOT ALWAYS A BAD IDEA. The guy said he needs in-ceiling LCR.... he needs it. It is not a BAD IDEA to the point of pushing the red panic button.
You asked for reviews. I explained why in-ceiling reviews are seldom done and still provided you with one for what I would call an avg to above avg. product. Did you read it?