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post #121 of 180
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Originally Posted by ozar View Post

Overall, it was a bit dull for my tastes, too, but I'm going to watch it again later tonight and see if it's more pleasing the second time around. I did like it after the first viewing, but the story itself simply didn't come off as especially intriguing or intense, although Chastain was quite good at portraying her character, as usual. Ralph noted in the "My Take" section of his review that he liked it the first time he saw it, but loved it the second time, so with any luck I too will feel that way by the end of the night.

Couldn't agree more. Felt somewhat the same about Argo although Alan Arkin and John Goodman's characters were great and added welcome change of pace. While I wasn't looking for a shoot em' up from either, both were a bit dull and unengaging for the most part of two or more hours. Overrated IMHO. I felt the Intouchables and The Sessions were better in my recent viewings.

I'm hoping that Lincoln and The Hobitts aren't as overly hyped and fare better.
Edited by ImaStar - 3/26/13 at 8:32am
post #122 of 180
I didn't suit your taste. Doesn't make it an over hyped title. It's a great movie. Those of you looking for an exaggerated unrealistic movie clearly would not like this. It had an awesome story from start to finish. Every scene in the video let up to what would happen in the next scene wasn't any dull or unnecessary scenes that didn't pertain to the story.
post #123 of 180
I didn't suit your taste. Doesn't make it an over hyped title. It's a great movie. Those of you looking for an exaggerated unrealistic movie clearly would not like this. It had an awesome story from start to finish. Every scene in the video let up to what would happen in the next scene wasn't any dull or unnecessary scenes that didn't pertain to the story.
post #124 of 180
I blame some of the negative viewer reaction squarely on Sony's shoulders for putting out utterly falsely misleading ads for ZDT.

They still claim it's the story of Seal Team Six and the raid on the compound and emphasizing action, action, action, which it clearly is not. That's only one small part of the larger film, and the bulk of the screenplay is a vehicle for Jessica Chastain's "Maya"... a one-woman "crusader" obsessed with her mission to track and kill UBL.

It's like they're selling a Rambo flick like the propaganda-esque "Seal Team Six" movie that came out earlier rather than a character drama.
post #125 of 180
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Originally Posted by ozar View Post

Overall, it was a bit dull for my tastes, too, but I'm going to watch it again later tonight and see if it's more pleasing the second time around. I did like it after the first viewing, but the story itself simply didn't come off as especially intriguing or intense, although Chastain was quite good at portraying her character, as usual. Ralph noted in the "My Take" section of his review that he liked it the first time he saw it, but loved it the second time, so with any luck I too will feel that way by the end of the night.

This weekend I plan to try it again w/o friends & family.
I am very forgiving (keep in mind). smile.gif

Keep in mind I didn't expect Act of Valor or Rambo. cool.gif
post #126 of 180
It's definitely not an action film. But it does affect you in ways other films can't, because after 9-11 everything changed. IMHO it's even better watching it a second time. Which is cool with me, I can't get enough of blu-ray video/audio smile.gif
post #127 of 180
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This weekend I plan to try it again w/o friends & family.
I am very forgiving (keep in mind). smile.gif

Keep in mind I didn't expect Act of Valor or Rambo. cool.gif

I loved this movie but keep in mind I watched it alone and didn't have to concern myself with whether or not my guest were having a good time. Yeah, it would have been great to have some friends over but after watching it I'm glad I was alone because it wasn't that easy to follow and, being alone, I could pay it all my attention.

I can't say for sure but I'd almost bet that when you watch it with no distractions you'll at least like it. I'm interested to find out what you think the second time around.

Al
post #128 of 180
Wife and kids weren't home. Had to time to actually use my home theater for once. Watched it alone. No distractions at all. Enjoyed every bit of it from start to finish.
post #129 of 180
I watched this movie the other night, I actually enjoyed it. Definitely a keeper for me.
post #130 of 180
Thought it was alright...thought Argo was alright too and a bit better. The unrelenting "me against the world super girl" schitick wore thin after 2 1/2 hours for me.

I simply cannot understand a score of perfection in the audio department but it's really not worth debating.

Glad it was a rental for me.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 3/26/13 at 8:41pm
post #131 of 180
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I simply cannot understand a score of perfection in the audio department but it's really not worth debating.

James

Greetings,

James, feel free to drop me a PM if you care to discuss.


Regards,
post #132 of 180
^ Hey Ralph:

Yeah, nothing personal and I appreciate your reviews. Everyone has different criteria is all I was really getting at, and you have a track record of establishing yours. For me, the audio track simply did not engage/entertain me as much as others have in recent time, including Skyfall, Mission Impossible 4, The Dark Knight, etc.

A perfect score pretty much says to me (inescapably, really) it's as good or better than EVERYTHING out there, which is prolly why I and others rarely anoint anything judged subjectively with such a score, but others are free to do what they choose.

Don't know where I'd land this one precisely, prolly around a 92-94 if it matters to anyone.

James
post #133 of 180
I don't know how anyone can compare an action movies soundtrack to this movie. When the sound needs to be there it is. I think my neighbors thought helicopters were landing in their yard smile.gif
post #134 of 180
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I don't know how anyone can compare an action movies soundtrack to this movie. When the sound needs to be there it is. I think my neighbors thought helicopters were landing in their yard smile.gif
Hahahaha. Fully agree.
post #135 of 180
I personally like the fact that we can all have varying thoughts about different movies. If we all thought the same on each movie, having them reviewed would seem rather redundant. Please keep up the good work, Ralph! cool.gif
post #136 of 180
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I don't know how anyone can compare an action movies soundtrack to this movie. When the sound needs to be there it is. I think my neighbors thought helicopters were landing in their yard smile.gif

Yeah, my subs pumped during that thump thump from the chopper, lit up both my Crown XTis. Kathryn Bigelow used to be married to James Cameron. I think she's the reason Aliens was such a great movie, I think it was her idea to turn Ripley into a warrior, and the kinds of characters we saw in Hurt Locker and ZDT have her imprint on them. I also appreciated the "closed space" ambiance, punctuated by gun shots, once the seals enter the UBL compound. That whole scene was audio excellence.
Edited by imagic - 3/27/13 at 11:56am
post #137 of 180
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Yeah, my subs pumped during that thump thump from the chopper, lit up both my Crown XTis. Kathryn Bigelow used to be married to James Cameron. I think she's the reason Aliens was such a great movie, I think it was her idea to turn Ripley into a warrior, and the kinds of characters we saw in Hurt Locker and ZDT have her imprint on them. I also appreciated the "closed space" ambiance, punctuated by gun shots, once the seals enter the UBL compound. That whole scene was audio excellence.



Agreed and I'm watching it right now for the third time with my son. Are you using Crown amps for your for your passive subs? I'm thinking about trying one for my fronts.
post #138 of 180
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Agreed and I'm watching it right now for the third time with my son. Are you using Crown amps for your for your passive subs? I'm thinking about trying one for my fronts.

I'm using an XTi-2002 for my subs and an XTi-1000 for my L/R mains. A Pioneer Elite SC-55 takes care of the rest of the channels.
post #139 of 180
The daytime video in Zero Dark Thirty was extremely good, but I thought the nighttime shots were totally spectacular, especially those of the covert choppers in flight, and then all movement that was happening once inside the compound.
post #140 of 180
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Originally Posted by ozar View Post

The daytime video in Zero Dark Thirty was extremely good, but I thought the nighttime shots were totally spectacular, especially those of the covert choppers in flight, and then all movement that was happening once inside the compound.

+1

I agree totally! I just can't for the life of me figure out how anyone can criticise the dark scenes in this blu ray movie.

Al
post #141 of 180
as i said before, as good of audio as i've heard on a bd.

no problems with the dark scenes , my elite has all the shadow detail i needed.


love this disc.
post #142 of 180
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I'm using an XTi-2002 for my subs and an XTi-1000 for my L/R mains. A Pioneer Elite SC-55 takes care of the rest of the channels.



Awesome Mark, the Crowns are class H? And you don't feel as though your sacrificing any quality in sound using it for your fronts?
Edited by comfynumb - 3/27/13 at 2:17pm
post #143 of 180
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^ Hey Ralph:

Yeah, nothing personal and I appreciate your reviews. Everyone has different criteria is all I was really getting at, and you have a track record of establishing yours. For me, the audio track simply did not engage/entertain me as much as others have in recent time, including Skyfall, Mission Impossible 4, The Dark Knight, etc.

A perfect score pretty much says to me (inescapably, really) it's as good or better than EVERYTHING out there, which is prolly why I and others rarely anoint anything judged subjectively with such a score, but others are free to do what they choose.

Don't know where I'd land this one precisely, prolly around a 92-94 if it matters to anyone.

James

Greetings,

Thanks for following up James and I do understand your perspective. smile.gif

Regards,
post #144 of 180
Ralph -- My Zero Dark Thirty BD arrived and I watched it tonight. Wow! I agree with your assessment of the film. Although I loved it when I saw it in the theater, it was my first choice for the Best Picture Oscar, I enjoyed the BD even more. I gave it 10 Stars out of 10 when I saw Zero Dark Thirty in the theater and now wish I could give it 11 Stars.

My home theater doubles as my family room so I virtually always watch BDs under normal room lighting. With Zero Dark Thirty, though, I completely darkened my viewing room for the scenes involving the Bin Laden mission. I thought the black levels were simply marvelous. I could hardly believe that a film shot in such low light levels could be so clear and convincing. I usually hate to watch BDs in the dark but, trust me on this, it's the only environment in which the depiction of the Bin Laden mission can be fully appreciated.

I love the ambiguity of the story. The harsh techniques used on the prisoners were chilling. This made many on the left angry because, they claimed, the film tried to justify torture. Simultaneously, many on the right claimed that the film was a tribute to the Obama administration. I thought that both positions were hooey. The message of the film, to me at least, is that protecting this country requires some of its citizens to do brutal jobs but those so tasked pay a horrible emotional price for what they have done. The final scene, with Maya the lone passenger on a huge cargo plane, moved me deeply. What a great motion picture!
post #145 of 180
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Ralph -- My Zero Dark Thirty BD arrived and I watched it tonight. Wow! I agree with your assessment of the film. Although I loved it when I saw it in the theater, it was my first choice for the Best Picture Oscar, I enjoyed the BD even more. I gave it 10 Stars out of 10 when I saw Zero Dark Thirty in the theater and now wish I could give it 11 Stars.

My home theater doubles as my family room so I virtually always watch BDs under normal room lighting. With Zero Dark Thirty, though, I completely darkened my viewing room for the scenes involving the Bin Laden mission. I thought the black levels were simply marvelous. I could hardly believe that a film shot in such low light levels could be so clear and convincing. I usually hate to watch BDs in the dark but, trust me on this, it's the only environment in which the depiction of the Bin Laden mission can be fully appreciated.

I love the ambiguity of the story. The harsh techniques used on the prisoners were chilling. This made many on the left angry because, they claimed, the film tried to justify torture. Simultaneously, many on the right claimed that the film was a tribute to the Obama administration. I thought that both positions were hooey. The message of the film, to me at least, is that protecting this country requires some of its citizens to do brutal jobs but those so tasked pay a horrible emotional price for what they have done. The final scene, with Maya the lone passenger on a huge cargo plane, moved me deeply. What a great motion picture!

Greetings,

Terrific! As always gwsat, I appreciate your input and am glad that you enjoyed the film and presentation as much as I did. smile.gif


Regards,
post #146 of 180
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I don't know how anyone can compare an action movies soundtrack to this movie. When the sound needs to be there it is. I think my neighbors thought helicopters were landing in their yard smile.gif

This seems to be aimed at me so I suppose I'll respond, briefly.

I think I made my case- so to speak- pretty clear. Great sound is great sound, irrespective of the genre. I just happened to list a few "action" flicks with stupendous audio so that's, well, basically that. I could litter the thread with "non-action" titles that I also believe possessed superior audio (something like Tree of Life pops right into the mind) but what's the point? I'm of the opinion that a perfect rating implies nothing else is superior. I think that viewpoint is grounded in pretty good logic. As I said, I don't usually spend a lot of time mocking others criteria for judgment because I almost certainly do not view movies, sound, or most other art forms through the same lens.

Still, let's face it, if you looked at the titles with 97+ audio ratings I'd be willing to bet at least 90+% are action or pixar flicks...simply the way it works, and that's fine.

As it lays, there's PLENTY of action- you know, yelling, dynamics, things blowing up, things flying, breaking, etc- in THIS "non-action" flick anyway so this would be a pretty silly debate to begin with.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 3/28/13 at 11:47am
post #147 of 180
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Thought it was alright...thought Argo was alright too and a bit better. The unrelenting "me against the world super girl" schitick wore thin after 2 1/2 hours for me.

I simply cannot understand a score of perfection in the audio department but it's really not worth debating.

Glad it was a rental for me.

James

Schtick?
Before you use words, you should know what they mean and to a lesser extent how to spell them. smile.gif
post #148 of 180
I got this movie when I first saw it in the theater. Meaning, I knew what the director was doing. This all started with 9/11. She was showing all of us what many of us have forgotten (not me), how ruthless and unrelenting our enemy is. She used this info to make us remember why this is all happening, ending with the raid. And not all movies have to be subwoofer tests to get perfect scores. When you go on Ultimate Demos web site in the scene from Saving Private Ryan they mention of course the 1st 20 mins but 1 scene that sticks out is the scene in the church where they are sitting talking. Just because it doesn't go boom...

Jeff
post #149 of 180
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Schtick?
Before you use words, you should know what they mean and to a lesser extent how to spell them. smile.gif

Wow, pretty hardcore. First, I'm fully aware of the meaning of the word and it was used appropriately to convey what I intended (a gimmicky method to advance the film), thanks though. Second, did it occur to you that it was likely a typo while pounding on my iPad (yeah, I really don't think there's TWO i's in the word, believe it or not)? Also SHTICK by the way. wink.gif

Good to know correct spelling is held in much less regard though, lmao.


James
post #150 of 180
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

I got this movie when I first saw it in the theater. Meaning, I knew what the director was doing. This all started with 9/11. She was showing all of us what many of us have forgotten (not me), how ruthless and unrelenting our enemy is. She used this info to make us remember why this is all happening, ending with the raid. And not all movies have to be subwoofer tests to get perfect scores. When you go on Ultimate Demos web site in the scene from Saving Private Ryan they mention of course the 1st 20 mins but 1 scene that sticks out is the scene in the church where they are sitting talking. Just because it doesn't go boom...

Jeff

I don't believe anyone ever stated or even implied they (movies) need to go "boom" to have perfect scores. Don't remember any "booms" in life of pi and it is one of my recent favorites.

Placing an opinion within these threads has- all too often- become pointless, unfortunately. Perhaps we should all feel identically about everything and then forget the reviews and commentary altogether. Jesus, think about it.

James
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