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Well, I trust JeffreyLyons's assessment above, but as the thread starter, and one of the many of you pounding the earth digging up whatever there was on the 550 vs 802 from before they were out, I felt it balanced to chime in as well in this thread:

So far, FWIW, I very much like 60" 550 I just received.

Quick notes:
  • As feared, the start-to-washout viewing angle isn't any better than any of the high-end LG's have been. But, for reasons I don't understand, the wash-out doesn't progress as badly either. This is compared to the 2012 LG 55LM7600 & 8600 (2 steps and 1 step below their 2012 flagship 9600). I view this as the price to pay for passive 3D currently, because currently passive 3D is (for no spectacularly cogently defined reason supplied as yet) latched to IPS, and this is the IPS quality. Don't give me any propaganda hooey about better viewing angles. smile.gif
  • The passive 3D is beyond clear and really really refreshing. Tested only on FIOS 3D though.
  • The darks out of the box don't squash like the Samsungs are known to. At least the one I test drove, and the others who have been burned by that have commented. I found this surprising, especially without local dimming.
  • 2D clarity is as good as I could possibly test using FIOS. Don't get me started, but at least they seem better than comcast.
  • Bright TV if you follow the normal "turn off the stupid power savings mode" MO, which by the way, shouldn't even be an option on any set. I don't care *how* dark a cave you live in. There are *OTHER* options for that. Perhaps this is an EPA mandated thing?
  • No test for insane motion yet.
  • Out of the box color is fine on some channels and horribly oversaturated on others. So what else is new.

But note, I am not pleased by anything, and I have a long history of computer graphics algorithms, etc., and have been scrutinizing pixels and chroma effects for as long as I can remember. And I'm not "annoyed" by the 60" R550A.

Well the W802A came and it blows the 550 out of the water. I didn't even adjust the settings and the picture is beautiful, crisp, and pops! I am watching the islanders and penguins and no issues with DSE. I am gonna spend sometime with the settings tonight. I
will report back later.

Hey hey! Awesome! At this point I would miss those extra 5 inches though. frown.gif
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Hey hey! Awesome! At this point I would miss those extra 5 inches though. frown.gif

Time for the bad news? Seriously I have no luck. One dead pixel bottom right. And now I have a spot the size of quarter which looks like a shadow or a small case of DSE smack right in the middle of the screen. I am so annoyed. I tried wiping it off. No luck. It looks like a dirty finger print on the inside of the screen. I feel like such a dork going back to the store and asking for an exchange. Ugh
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Time for the bad news? Seriously I have no luck. One dead pixel bottom right. And now I have a spot the size of quarter which looks like a shadow or a small case of DSE smack right in the middle of the screen. I am so annoyed. I tried wiping it off. No luck. It looks like a dirty finger print on the inside of the screen. I feel like such a dork going back to the store and asking for an exchange. Ugh

I have already exchanged my w805a once for sound problems and now my replacement is doing it as well.. I really hate confrontation and don't want to go back to the store again..
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I went to Sears and PC Richard and Son yesterday. Using the THX Optimizer loaded on my portable Sony BDP-SX910, I connected it to the Panasonic TC-P##S60, Sony KDL-##R4##A, and the Sony KDL-##W802A via HDMI. After getting it to look its best on all three of them, I made my decision. Because of where I'm posting this, I think you can figure out which series I decided on. With the backlight and Picture set to Max, color set to 50, hugh set to 0, and black corrector, contrast enhance, live color, LED Motion, light sensor, etc. set to Off, after comparing it to a Panasonic TC-P##S60 plasma and a Sony KDL-40R450A, I get pitch blacks, eye-piercing whites, and ritch, accurate colors. I read a review on Amazon stating that the blacks aren't as deep as on a Panasonic plasma, but the only way I can reproduce his experience would be to raise the so-called 'Brightness' to a value well over 50. If you want a current TV with a quality panel and acceptable internal speakers, the Sony KDL-##W802A would be a good choice! I won't actually be able to get mine until a week before the downstares of my house has been redone after resulting from the Hurricane Sandy damage. At least I have a great TV to look forward to.
Edited by Big C - 5/12/13 at 5:39am
post #275 of 1173
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I have already exchanged my w805a once for sound problems and now my replacement is doing it as well.. I really hate confrontation and don't want to go back to the store again..

I contacted Sony and they gave me the # of an authorized repair center which I really dont wanna go through. My wife said she would go back to the store for me and ask for an another exchange.

I am sure they wouldn't give a hard time to a good looking sweet italian girl.

TV # 1- Samsung ES8000 Dead Pixel, motion problems, and a huge V shaped cloud at the bottom of the screen instead of Samsung replacing the TV they replaced the panel. A six week old TV taken apart on my living room floor. Emailed the president of Samsung and they issued a store credit at my local retailer to pick something else out

TV # 2- Sony 550A- Large circles of dirty screen which was very distracting during all sports and could be seen on any light colors such as a sky, grass, ice rink, etc. It was so bad I took pictures and brought them to the store.

TV # 3-Dead pixel and a spot the size of a quarter on the screen that looks like a finger print on the inside of the panel. Imagine watching soccer, hockey, etc and a dark shadow following the play all over the screen.

Am I crazy? or is it just the crap that these TV companies are putting out? Spent close to $2300 for the TV.
post #276 of 1173
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I went to Sears and PC Richard and Son yesterday. Using the THX Optimizer loaded on my portable Sony BDP-SX910, I connected it to the Panasonic TC-P##S60, Sony KDL-##R4##A, and the Sony KDL-##W802A via HDMI. After getting it to look its best on all three of them, I made my decision. Because of where I'm posting this, I think you can figure out which series I decided on. With the backlight and Picture set to Max, color set to 50, hugh set to 0, and black corrector, contrast enhance, live color, LED Motion, light sensor, etc. set to Off, after comparing it to a Panasonic TC-P##S60 plasma and a Sony KDL-40R450A, I get pitch blacks, eye-piercing whites, and ritch, accurate colors. I read a review on Amazon stating that the blacks aren't as deep as on a Panasonic plasma, but the only way I can reproduce his experience would be to raise the so-called 'Brightness' to a value well over 50. If you want a current TV with a quality panel and acceptable internal speakers, the Sony KDL-##W802A would be a good choice! I won't actually be able to get mine until a week before the downstares of my house has been redone after resulting from the Hurricane Sandy damage. At least I have a great TV to look forward to.

That's great to hear. Glad your rebuilding after Sandy. Seems like so long ago. I just hope you have better luck with TVs then
I do.
post #277 of 1173
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I contacted Sony and they gave me the # of an authorized repair center which I really dont wanna go through. My wife said she would go back to the store for me and ask for an another exchange.

I am sure they wouldn't give a hard time to a good looking sweet italian girl.

TV # 1- Samsung ES8000 Dead Pixel, motion problems, and a huge V shaped cloud at the bottom of the screen instead of Samsung replacing the TV they replaced the panel. A six week old TV taken apart on my living room floor. Emailed the president of Samsung and they issued a store credit at my local retailer to pick something else out

TV # 2- Sony 550A- Large circles of dirty screen which was very distracting during all sports and could be seen on any light colors such as a sky, grass, ice rink, etc. It was so bad I took pictures and brought them to the store.

TV # 3-Dead pixel and a spot the size of a quarter on the screen that looks like a finger print on the inside of the panel. Imagine watching soccer, hockey, etc and a dark shadow following the play all over the screen.

Am I crazy? or is it just the crap that these TV companies are putting out? Spent close to $2300 for the TV.

Yeah i completely agree i spent £1000 on my W805A and the speakers just screech at me, I'm so pissed off about this whole situation i dont even want the tv anymore haha
post #278 of 1173
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

I contacted Sony and they gave me the # of an authorized repair center which I really dont wanna go through. My wife said she would go back to the store for me and ask for an another exchange.

I am sure they wouldn't give a hard time to a good looking sweet italian girl.

TV # 1- Samsung ES8000 Dead Pixel, motion problems, and a huge V shaped cloud at the bottom of the screen instead of Samsung replacing the TV they replaced the panel. A six week old TV taken apart on my living room floor. Emailed the president of Samsung and they issued a store credit at my local retailer to pick something else out

TV # 2- Sony 550A- Large circles of dirty screen which was very distracting during all sports and could be seen on any light colors such as a sky, grass, ice rink, etc. It was so bad I took pictures and brought them to the store.

TV # 3-Dead pixel and a spot the size of a quarter on the screen that looks like a finger print on the inside of the panel. Imagine watching soccer, hockey, etc and a dark shadow following the play all over the screen.

Am I crazy? or is it just the crap that these TV companies are putting out? Spent close to $2300 for the TV.

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Yeah i completely agree i spent £1000 on my W805A and the speakers just screech at me, I'm so pissed off about this whole situation i dont even want the tv anymore haha


I spoke to the sony manager who basicaly just said they couldnt actually find a fault with my old tv and it HAS to be a problem my end and to test different things out blah blah blah.. But they offered me one of there expensive hdmi cables to test on my tv lol i will pick that up tomorrow and will keep hold of it :-) haha as good old Charlie Sheen would say = WINNING..... not!!!!!
post #279 of 1173
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I spoke to the sony manager who basicaly just said they couldnt actually find a fault with my old tv and it HAS to be a problem my end and to test different things out blah blah blah.. But they offered me one of there expensive hdmi cables to test on my tv lol i will pick that up tomorrow and will keep hold of it :-) haha as good old Charlie Sheen would say = WINNING..... not!!!!!

One more return and I give up.
post #280 of 1173
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I spoke to the sony manager who basicaly just said they couldnt actually find a fault with my old tv and it HAS to be a problem my end and to test different things out blah blah blah.. But they offered me one of there expensive hdmi cables to test on my tv lol i will pick that up tomorrow and will keep hold of it :-) haha as good old Charlie Sheen would say = WINNING..... not!!!!!

Excuse me, but what the @#$% is "one of their expensive HDMI cables" supposed to accomplish?

LOL.

You can quote me if you like.
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Excuse me, but what the @#$% is "one of their expensive HDMI cables" supposed to accomplish?

LOL.

You can quote me if you like.

Dont feel bad I called sony tech and they told me to unplug the TV and count to 60.
post #282 of 1173
Round 4.

Replacement W802A is enroute and will be here tomorrow.

Thankfully the manager is an easy person to deal with. Plus my wife wouldn't of went in if she didnt see the problem also. He said if I experience any issues he would like to send a tech out to look at the problem before I return the next one(if there are any problems with the replacement). I pray this wont be the case.

He also suggested I may want to go with a Samsung.

Stay tuned!
post #283 of 1173
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I went to Sears and PC Richard and Son yesterday. Using the THX Optimizer loaded on my portable Sony BDP-SX910, I connected it to the Panasonic TC-P##S60, Sony KDL-##R4##A, and the Sony KDL-##W802A via HDMI.

Aye yi yi!


All those #'s make it hard to figure out just what TV you're actually looking at. If you put down the precise model number of what you're testing it might be good for others to know. The 60" of a model might have trouble but the 70" might not. There is no TC-P##S60. tongue.gif
post #284 of 1173
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Round 4.

Replacement W802A is enroute and will be here tomorrow.

Thankfully the manager is an easy person to deal with. Plus my wife wouldn't of went in if she didnt see the problem also. He said if I experience any issues he would like to send a tech out to look at the problem before I return the next one(if there are any problems with the replacement). I pray this wont be the case.

He also suggested I may want to go with a Samsung.

Stay tuned!

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope it works out!!!!!!!!!
post #285 of 1173
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One thing in all this: Just one man's perspective, but I'm amazed at how much bigger a 60" seems than a 55".
post #286 of 1173
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Round 4.

Replacement W802A is enroute and will be here tomorrow.

Thankfully the manager is an easy person to deal with. Plus my wife wouldn't of went in if she didnt see the problem also. He said if I experience any issues he would like to send a tech out to look at the problem before I return the next one(if there are any problems with the replacement). I pray this wont be the case.

He also suggested I may want to go with a Samsung.

Stay tuned!


With all these rounds, you know to delete any login based information off a tv before returning it, right? There have been reports elsewhere of people using streaming services off of previously returned TVs.
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With all these rounds, you know to delete any login based information off a tv before returning it, right? There have been reports elsewhere of people using streaming services off of previously returned TVs.

Oh s**t balls I left Facebook and Netflix signed in to my old tv haha.. The sony manager did tell me he reset the tv but hmmmm suspicious very suspicious haha
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With all these rounds, you know to delete any login based information off a tv before returning it, right? There have been reports elsewhere of people using streaming services off of previously returned TVs.

I didn't even get that far with the TV.
post #289 of 1173
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One thing in all this: Just one man's perspective, but I'm amazed at how much bigger a 60" seems than a 55".

You know I was thinking the same thing. 60 now looked too big in my living room. The highest I can ever go is 55 IMO
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One thing in all this: Just one man's perspective, but I'm amazed at how much bigger a 60" seems than a 55".

You know I was thinking the same thing. 60 now looked too big in my living room. The highest I can ever go is 55 IMO

I'm just not used to to it yet, but yikes. And I'm far away from the thing as well.
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I'm just not used to to it yet, but yikes. And I'm far away from the thing as well.

Well I think I'm good. It's here and it's setup. No dark shadow the size of a nickel and no dead pixels. God damn this TV has a ton of settings.
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I'm just not used to to it yet, but yikes. And I'm far away from the thing as well.

Well I think I'm good. It's here and it's setup. No dark shadow the size of a nickel and no dead pixels. God damn this TV has a ton of settings.

Check DSE. Did you say that there was no SOE out the gate on the 802? I wonder if their X-Reality PRO chip is squashing what might naturally happen from their motion processing otherwise.
post #293 of 1173
I have been following this thread seems like this TV is the one I would want IF it came in a 60" size. Any word if Sony may make a 60" for this model line?
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Check DSE. Did you say that there was no SOE out the gate on the 802? I wonder if their X-Reality PRO chip is squashing what might naturally happen from their motion processing otherwise.

Yes the SOE had to be turned off but so far so good. I had to get out of the house for awhile my eyes where starting to hurt. I never seen so many settings for a TV. I am sure I will be adjusting settings for the next few days till I am happy.

Color and motion are handled very nicely on the this set. If you have any questions ask away.
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Yes the SOE had to be turned off but so far so good. I had to get out of the house for awhile my eyes where starting to hurt. I never seen so many settings for a TV. I am sure I will be adjusting settings for the next few days till I am happy.

Color and motion are handled very nicely on the this set. If you have any questions ask away.

Have you got any kind of lines when the tv is on and the screens black, it's really weird... Maybe just loads of light coming through on mine it's hard to see unless you go right up and close
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Have you got any kind of lines when the tv is on and the screens black, it's really weird... Maybe just loads of light coming through on mine it's hard to see unless you go right up and close

I havent seen any lines yet. I will be able to tell better once night falls and the living room is dark.
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I havent seen any lines yet. I will be able to tell better once night falls and the living room is dark.

Cheers bro your input would be appreciated, bloody tv's haha
post #298 of 1173
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Check DSE. Did you say that there was no SOE out the gate on the 802? I wonder if their X-Reality PRO chip is squashing what might naturally happen from their motion processing otherwise.

Yes the SOE had to be turned off but so far so good.

Not sure what you mean. Do you mean that the SOE was just not there with default settings, or that you had to disable it somehow. (What did you do for both the 550 and the 802?) Unless you're implying that Sony finally gave up and added a "Soap Opera Effect" option. LOL....
post #299 of 1173
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Not sure what you mean. Do you mean that the SOE was just not there with default settings, or that you had to disable it somehow. (What did you do for both the 550 and the 802?) Unless you're implying that Sony finally gave up and added a "Soap Opera Effect" option. LOL....


I gotta read the manual man!

Ok here are the settings: I had to turn motionflow off.

Picture Mode-Standard, Vivid, Custom
Backlight-0-100
Picture-0-100
Brightness - 0-100
Color-0-100
Hue
Color Temp Neutral, Cool, Warm 1, Warm 2
Sharpness 0-100
Noise Reduction
MPEG Reduction
Dot Noise Reduction
Reality Creation in that sub menu is Resolution and Noise Filtering
Smooth Gradation
Motionflow
Cinemotion

Advanced Settings
Black Corrector
Contrast Enhancer
Gamma
Auto Light Limiter
Clear White
Live Color
White Balance
Detail Enhancer
Edge Enhancer
Skin Naturalizer


On top of that there is a Pro Picture Setup

I am so lost.
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ok people....

let me sum up the situations after 10 pages of reading+ 10 pages of avforums UK

The W8 is a big disspointment so far and is plagued with quality issues....
What i would like to know is WHO did get the chance to see a W6 ???? Nobody seems to have compard the image quality ???
Is it really a W8 with no 3D ? Is it better because it's not a passive panel and no black lines ???
Is it confirmed that it is IPS and not VA line the 42"/47"/50" panasonic E6 TV ????

Anyhow the W9 is not good enough, the W8 has huge problems and the R500 is dull....that just leaves the W6 then !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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