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post #331 of 1167
My kdl-42W805A is going back tomorrow, I paid the massive extra and am swapping it for the kdl-46W905A.. That things has amazing reviews and I've looked at this tv from proper off angles and it still looks great.. Triluminos is going to be big :-)
post #332 of 1167
New CNET review.
post #333 of 1167
I don't put a lot of stock in CNET reviews but that is surprising about the video processing. Sony is usually the best by far at that.The rest of it as he sounds pretty good.
post #334 of 1167
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Originally Posted by vincevega44 View Post

I don't put a lot of stock in CNET reviews but that is surprising about the video processing. Sony is usually the best by far at that.The rest of it as he sounds pretty good.

I have had the TV for a week. Still tweaking the settings. Besides a few minor gripes I am enjoying the TV.
post #335 of 1167
I don't put too much stock in the cnet review as well. I saw two different samples of the set today, in two different stores, and the best way to give my impression is to say that I came home and immediately bought one from the Sony store! Nome of the defects (ie light bleeding, flash lighting, ect.) that Cnet discusses were in either of the samples I saw today. At Best Buy the 802A was hanging next to two Samsung's and I though how it seemed to blow away the both of them. I expected that they were the F6300 and the F6400's that would be direct competitors to the Sony, Imagine my surprise went I walked up and saw that they were the F7100 and the F8000!

So no mater what Cnet says, I think this a great TV. I can't wait until next weekend when mine gets here.
post #336 of 1167
Went to Best Buy today and checked out the Samsung plasma F8500, the LED F8000 and the Sony W802a. To my eyes the Sony W802a beat them all in picture quality. Blacks were pretty black. Picture quality was superb. Better than the F8000 Samsung. Even the store salesperson noticed it. The plasma picture to my eyes was not great but then I am no expert and my eyes liked the W802a. Also surprisingly the viewing angle on the W802 is pretty good for a LED. With the PS3 promotion this one is a no brainer amongst the current crop of TVs. Just waiting to see the W900a before deciding.
post #337 of 1167
Count me in as another happy owner of the Sony W802A series, i bought the 47" size and am perfectly happy with it! I'm overwelmed with the picture settings though, so some calibration help of the numerous settings would help. Some settings i'm interested with are "Reality Creation" (don't know if i should leave this on) and "Smooth Gradation", should it be on or off? And under "Pro Settings" should Sony's SBM (Super Bit Mapping)be left on? Oh and the sharpness setting is kind of odd, in that if you lower it the picture gets very blurry, so sharpness min seems a no no in this series. I'm leaving sharpness at 50 since it seems it has to be dead center to display properly.

Blacks are good if you enable ACE (Auto Contrast Enhancer) at low or medium, tried turning it OFF but PQ became a bit hazy, so will be experimenting with that. Oh by the way i just got this tv yesterday from Amazon and got a FREE PSVita with it, loving those special sony promotions!cool.gif

Overall i like the colors, blacks and detail but i just want to get the optimal settings for blu-ray and PS3 gaming, i want the PQ to be pure as possible and unaltered for pristine quality.

Cheers~
post #338 of 1167
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Originally Posted by SurfingMatt27 View Post

I'm overwelmed with the picture settings though, so some calibration help of the numerous settings would help.

Take a look at the official cnet calibration settings for the W802.
post #339 of 1167
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Originally Posted by malcolmp6 View Post

Went to Best Buy today and checked out the Samsung plasma F8500, the LED F8000 and the Sony W802a. To my eyes the Sony W802a beat them all in picture quality. Blacks were pretty black. Picture quality was superb. Better than the F8000 Samsung. Even the store salesperson noticed it. The plasma picture to my eyes was not great but then I am no expert and my eyes liked the W802a. Also surprisingly the viewing angle on the W802 is pretty good for a LED. With the PS3 promotion this one is a no brainer amongst the current crop of TVs. Just waiting to see the W900a before deciding.

Hello mate I have the 42W805A and am taking it back today for the 46W905A, if people on here think the W8 looks good then you all HAVE to see the W9.. It blows everything else out of the water, will post some pics when I get mine home and set up :-)
post #340 of 1167
Does anyone have any experience comparing the W802A to last years LG 6700 or this years Samsung 7100 or higher models? I originally purchased the LG 6700 last year but returned two sets due to screen uniformity issues. I also wasn't completely satisfied with the picture quality in general. I then purchased a Panasonic GT50 plasma but returned it due to the long term IR I experienced, slight buzzing, and a defective speaker. I enjoyed the picture quality of the GT50 but decided against a replacement due to the IR issues. I am kicking myself now for cancelling an order I had for the Sony HX 850 as it seemed like the perfect set for me.

Anyways, I am considering purchasing the Sony W802A, Samsung 7100, or Panasonic ST60 plasma. I am still concerned about the IR on the plasma but the price and picture quality make it worth considering. There are no stores in my area that carry the mid to higher end sets so I can view in person and make my own comparison. If anyone has any experience comparing the sets mentioned I would appreciate any advice.
post #341 of 1167
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Originally Posted by devo96 View Post

Does anyone have any experience comparing the W802A to last years LG 6700 or this years Samsung 7100 or higher models? I originally purchased the LG 6700 last year but returned two sets due to screen uniformity issues. I also wasn't completely satisfied with the picture quality in general. I then purchased a Panasonic GT50 plasma but returned it due to the long term IR I experienced, slight buzzing, and a defective speaker. I enjoyed the picture quality of the GT50 but decided against a replacement due to the IR issues. I am kicking myself now for cancelling an order I had for the Sony HX 850 as it seemed like the perfect set for me.

Anyways, I am considering purchasing the Sony W802A, Samsung 7100, or Panasonic ST60 plasma. I am still concerned about the IR on the plasma but the price and picture quality make it worth considering. There are no stores in my area that carry the mid to higher end sets so I can view in person and make my own comparison. If anyone has any experience comparing the sets mentioned I would appreciate any advice.

I can only compare a Samsung E series to the Sony. If that helps let me know.
post #342 of 1167
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Originally Posted by CalebLevArn View Post

Take a look at the official cnet [URL=http://forums.cnet.co

m/7723-19410_102-593017/sony-kdl-55w802a-picture-settings/]calibration settings[/URL] for the W802.

I did but they don't go into detail of what the settings actually do, i'll find out what they all do eventually with some trial and error.
post #343 of 1167
CNET review, very dissapointed in this set. I am going to look at Samung or Toshiba.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w802a/4505-6482_7-35561934.html
post #344 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Kobrinl View Post

CNET review, very dissapointed in this set. I am going to look at Samung or Toshiba.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w802a/4505-6482_7-35561934.html

I would highly recommend looking at the W9
post #345 of 1167
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kobrinl View Post

CNET review, very dissapointed in this set. I am going to look at Samung or Toshiba.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w802a/4505-6482_7-35561934.html

I haven't evaluated this set myself. However Cnet has been disappointing me lately.

If you follow their embedded link under the tag "mumbo jumbo" within the article, you can see they still don't understand what the strobing technology (aka backlight scanning) is accomplishing. Cnet is really starting to irk me here, and they should know better. Look at this quote; I'll put in bold what is alarming:
Quote:
“Frame insertion (interpolation), LED backlighting blinking (line blinking), and Image Blur reduction via signal processing. So, for example, a Motionflow XR 960 can be found by multiplying the native refresh times four (240 x 4=960) or as Sony told us: “With frame interpolation, four distinct images in the same time period of 1/60th of a second. 240 Hz times 4 = 960″

We don’t understand this explanation, as it implies the TV creates at least 15 frames for every native frame, and we know of no TV signal processor with that kind of capability

They don't "understand" this explanation because they are simply not paying attention---those 15 frames are not all unique and the duplicates are not taxing on the cpu---there's no interpolative cpu overhead! And they have no understanding at all of the sample-and-hold problem. True, all manufacturers are going overboard with it, and it is misleading!, but for Cnet to outright say they don't understand that explanation that Sony gave them is not telling of Sony, it's telling of Cnet.
post #346 of 1167
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Originally Posted by SurfingMatt27 View Post

Count me in as another happy owner of the Sony W802A series, i bought the 47" size and am perfectly happy with it! I'm overwelmed with the picture settings though, so some calibration help of the numerous settings would help. Some settings i'm interested with are "Reality Creation" (don't know if i should leave this on) and "Smooth Gradation", should it be on or off? And under "Pro Settings" should Sony's SBM (Super Bit Mapping)be left on? Oh and the sharpness setting is kind of odd, in that if you lower it the picture gets very blurry, so sharpness min seems a no no in this series. I'm leaving sharpness at 50 since it seems it has to be dead center to display properly.

Blacks are good if you enable ACE (Auto Contrast Enhancer) at low or medium, tried turning it OFF but PQ became a bit hazy, so will be experimenting with that. Oh by the way i just got this tv yesterday from Amazon and got a FREE PSVita with it, loving those special sony promotions!cool.gif

Overall i like the colors, blacks and detail but i just want to get the optimal settings for blu-ray and PS3 gaming, i want the PQ to be pure as possible and unaltered for pristine quality.

Cheers~

That being said I would turn Adv contrast enhancer off.
post #347 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Kobrinl View Post

CNET review, very dissapointed in this set. I am going to look at Samung or Toshiba.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w802a/4505-6482_7-35561934.html
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

That being said I would turn Adv contrast enhancer off.

Yeah it's looking like Cnet is going to be disappointed in anything outside of plasma this year.
post #348 of 1167
@W802 owners - does the bezel glows in dark room? I read somewhere that it glows green in light, but in dark room if it glow it will be disturbing to watch movies...

Edit: My very first post @AVSforum smile.gif
post #349 of 1167
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Originally Posted by emmarbee View Post

@W802 owners - does the bezel glows in dark room? I read somewhere that it glows green in light, but in dark room if it glow it will be disturbing to watch movies...

Edit: My very first post @AVSforum smile.gif

Set it to demo in the settings.
post #350 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post


Yeah it's looking like Cnet is going to be disappointed in anything outside of plasma this year.

Half the crap in the review the average person wouldn't even understand. I don't even understand some of the dialogue and their graphs.

The picture looks great, motion is handled very well, 3D is awesome, and the TV design is pretty decent.

The sound isnt that great, way too many settings, and turning off motion flow really effects the broadcast/turning it on(clear, clear 2) really hinders the brightness and pop of the set.

Thats my review.
post #351 of 1167
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

Set it to demo in the settings.

Setting it to demo in the settings will turn on the Lights or turn off.
I don't want those light to glow ever.

Also Jeff, can you tell me about the sharpness in 3D movies. Few have told that the FPR 3D in LG tries to produce a sharp picture. And the lesser horizontal lines aren't noticeable to an extent. Is that the case in W802A too?
post #352 of 1167
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Originally Posted by emmarbee View Post

Setting it to demo in the settings will turn on the Lights or turn off.
I don't want those light to glow ever.

Also Jeff, can you tell me about the sharpness in 3D movies. Few have told that the FPR 3D in LG tries to produce a sharp picture. And the lesser horizontal lines aren't noticeable to an extent. Is that the case in W802A too?

I didnt notice any lines at all. I think the passive 3D is easier on the eyes also.

I had the model below the W802A and the 3D made some things looks jaggie. For example the MARVEL in the beginning of the Avengers wasnt as sharp. I didnt notice that in the W802A.
post #353 of 1167
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

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Originally Posted by emmarbee View Post

Setting it to demo in the settings will turn on the Lights or turn off.
I don't want those light to glow ever.

Also Jeff, can you tell me about the sharpness in 3D movies. Few have told that the FPR 3D in LG tries to produce a sharp picture. And the lesser horizontal lines aren't noticeable to an extent. Is that the case in W802A too?

I didnt notice any lines at all. I think the passive 3D is easier on the eyes also.

I had the model below the W802A and the 3D made some things looks jaggie. For example the MARVEL in the beginning of the Avengers wasnt as sharp. I didnt notice that in the W802A.

I've got the 550 and have been looking like crazy for any evidence of resolution based aliasing and cannot find it except for line-art style things (text, etc.) and for the most part only if they are stationary. And even *then* it's by no means a distraction at all.
post #354 of 1167
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

Under the first menu.

Where sharpness and motion flow is.
Do you mean the backlight level? I didn't find any dimmer on/off in the picture menu or advanced picture menu. In fact, I got to go to a shop yesterday. Only this time, the W802A looked similar to the R450A. Could it be that I was shown either a W900A or X900A by mistake the first time I went to the shop? Another possibility: Due to my sight condition, I have someone go through the menus and make the settings I ask them to make. My brother went with me both times. I explained to him that I forgot to disable some auto dimming and power saving/ECO settings the first time. Could it be that he, with good intentions, tried to make the W802A look like the R450A to save me money? If so, I wouldn't be mad at him, unless he decided to tell me thirty days after I bought and installed an R450A.

Here are my preferences:




Picture

Picture Mode = Custom

Backlight = Max

Picture = Max

Brightness = 50

Color = 50

Hue = 0

Sharpness = Min

Color Temperature = Neutral

Noise Reduction = Off

MPEG Noise Reduction = Off

Motionflow = Off

CineMotion = Auto 1

Advanced

Adv. Contrast Enhancer = Off

Black Corrector = Off

Gamma = Max

Clear White = Off

Live Color = Off

LED Motion = Off

3D Settings

Auto 3D = On

3D Signal Notification = On

Preferences

Eco

Power Saving = Off

Light Sensor = Off

I expected eye-piercing whites, like the first time. Another challenge is that there is no full online manual for the W802A, so I have to go by a combination of other manuals and what I remember from the shop I went to.
Edited by Big C - 5/20/13 at 11:38am
post #355 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

Do you mean the backlight level? I didn't find any dimmer on/off in the picture menu or advanced picture menu. In fact, I got to go to a shop yesterday. Only this time, the W802A looked similar to the R450A. Could it be that I was shown either a W900A or X900A by mistake the first time I went to the shop? Another possibility: Due to my sight condition, I have someone go through the menus and make the settings I ask them to make. My brother went with me both times. I explained to him that I forgot to disable some auto dimming and power saving/ECO settings the first time. Could it be that he, with good intentions, tried to make the W802A look like the R450A to save me money? If so, I wouldn't be mad at him, unless he decided to tell me thirty days after I bought and installed an R450A.

Here are my preferences:




Picture

Picture Mode = Custom

Backlight = Max

Picture = Max

Brightness = 50

Color = 50

Hue = 0

Sharpness = Min

Color Temperature = Neutral

Noise Reduction = Off

MPEG Noise Reduction = Off

Motionflow = Off

CineMotion = Auto 1

Advanced

Adv. Contrast Enhancer = Off

Black Corrector = Off

Gamma = Max

Clear White = Off

Live Color = Off

LED Motion = Off

3D Settings

Auto 3D = On

3D Signal Notification = On

Preferences

Eco

Power Saving = Off

Light Sensor = Off

I expected eye-piercing whites, like the first time. Another challenge is that there is no full online manual for the W802A, so I have to go by a combination of other manuals and what I remember from the shop I went to.

Its called the Auto Light Limiter. Its in advanced settings. Also some some motion flow settings will decrease brightness.
post #356 of 1167
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

Do you mean the backlight level? I didn't find any dimmer on/off in the picture menu or advanced picture menu. In fact, I got to go to a shop yesterday. Only this time, the W802A looked similar to the R450A. Could it be that I was shown either a W900A or X900A by mistake the first time I went to the shop? Another possibility: Due to my sight condition, I have someone go through the menus and make the settings I ask them to make. My brother went with me both times. I explained to him that I forgot to disable some auto dimming and power saving/ECO settings the first time. Could it be that he, with good intentions, tried to make the W802A look like the R450A to save me money? If so, I wouldn't be mad at him, unless he decided to tell me thirty days after I bought and installed an R450A.

Here are my preferences:




Picture

Picture Mode = Custom

Backlight = Max

Picture = Max

Brightness = 50

Color = 50

Hue = 0

Sharpness = Min

Color Temperature = Neutral

Noise Reduction = Off

MPEG Noise Reduction = Off

Motionflow = Off

CineMotion = Auto 1

Advanced

Adv. Contrast Enhancer = Off

Black Corrector = Off

Gamma = Max

Clear White = Off

Live Color = Off

LED Motion = Off

3D Settings

Auto 3D = On

3D Signal Notification = On

Preferences

Eco

Power Saving = Off

Light Sensor = Off

I expected eye-piercing whites, like the first time. Another challenge is that there is no full online manual for the W802A, so I have to go by a combination of other manuals and what I remember from the shop I went to.

Its called the Auto Light Limiter. Its in advanced settings. Also some some motion flow settings will decrease brightness.
I'm pretty sure I had that turned off. Does the advanced picture menu have two pages, like the regular picture menu does? If not, then I'm sure we didn't miss it. If so, then there's a chance we might have missed it.
post #357 of 1167
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I'm pretty sure I had that turned off. Does the advanced picture menu have two pages, like the regular picture menu does? If not, then I'm sure we didn't miss it. If so, then there's a chance we might have missed it.

I believe its just one page.
post #358 of 1167
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

I'm pretty sure I had that turned off. Does the advanced picture menu have two pages, like the regular picture menu does? If not, then I'm sure we didn't miss it. If so, then there's a chance we might have missed it.

I believe its just one page.
OK. I believe I had that turned off. Before I continue, I would just like to say that I used the Monitor Performance screen of the THX Optimizer yesterday and a week before yesterday. How come the white portions were eye-piercing the week before yesterday? Could the shop I was in the week before yesterday have accidently shown me the wrong model? You'd think that with the settings I posted earlier today that you'd get the eye-piercing whites I'm talking about. I'm surprised how similar the R450A and W802A screens looked yesterday, compared to a week before yesterday!
post #359 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

OK. I believe I had that turned off. Before I continue, I would just like to say that I used the Monitor Performance screen of the THX Optimizer yesterday and a week before yesterday. How come the white portions were eye-piercing the week before yesterday? Could the shop I was in the week before yesterday have accidently shown me the wrong model? You'd think that with the settings I posted earlier today that you'd get the eye-piercing whites I'm talking about. I'm surprised how similar the R450A and W802A screens looked yesterday, compared to a week before yesterday!

They are other options in preferences under scene select. Check that out.
post #360 of 1167
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

OK. I believe I had that turned off. Before I continue, I would just like to say that I used the Monitor Performance screen of the THX Optimizer yesterday and a week before yesterday. How come the white portions were eye-piercing the week before yesterday? Could the shop I was in the week before yesterday have accidently shown me the wrong model? You'd think that with the settings I posted earlier today that you'd get the eye-piercing whites I'm talking about. I'm surprised how similar the R450A and W802A screens looked yesterday, compared to a week before yesterday!

They are other options in preferences under scene select. Check that out.
When you get a chance, could you post the items under Scene Select along with their options? Thanks.
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