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post #421 of 1173
Here are my revised settings:
Cinema 2 (Cinema 1 is Cnets setting)
Backlight:2
Picture:84
Brightness:52
Color:53
Hue:G1
C.Temp:warm 1
Sharpness:50
Noise Red:off
MPEG N:off
Dot Noise:off
Reality creation:off
Video area:grayed out
Resolution:grayed out
Noise filter:grayed out
Smooth gradation:off
Motionflow:off(game) True cinema(film)
Adv.settings:
Black corrector:off
Adv.contrast enhancer:medium (controls frame dimming)
Gamma:0
Auto light limiter:off
Clear white:off
Live color:off
White balance:
R.gain:0
G.gain:0
B.gain:-3
R.bias:0
G.bias:0
B.bias:0
Detail Enhancer:off
Edge Enhancer:off
Skin Nat:grayed out
Display speed:grayed out
Preferences:
Eco Sensor:on
Note: Sony's advanced contrast is one of the best faux dimming solutions I have ever seen.
Some manufacturers when employed is overly aggressive and can be very distracting during watching film and games that change environments often. This is not the case for this Sony.
I have a very light controlled room and have experimented with the Eco sensor as a means to help with uniformity. I have had no fluctuation of brightness and my set is about 98% uniform without being too dark or crushing black/shadow detail loss.
Once again any input or adjustments to my setting are appreciated.
Edited by Dr.Shankenstein - 6/4/13 at 12:56pm
post #422 of 1173
I've been comparing the specified height of 47-inch diag. TVs by LG, Panasonic, and Sony (I couldn't find the Philips TVs). So far, the Sony KDL-47W802A is the one with minimum height with the stand attached, 26&1/2 inches. If I'm right, that would make the Sony easiest to fit in tight areas. If I can't fit this one, I'll definitely be able to fit the KDL-46R453A. Although I'm hoping for the KDL-47W802A because it uses an IPS panel and possibly can get much brighter than the KDL-46R453A.
post #423 of 1173
Cnet has updated their review of the W802a with the following information-

"Update: If you play fast-paced video games, this TV's excellent input lag measurement--the lowest we've seen so far--might make it more appealing to you"

So congratulations to Sony for offering the first full feature set with an admirable input lag. Previously you'd only find a number this low on computer monitors ranging in 17 to 24 inches, even then their numbers aren't as low as this television which come in sizes of 47" and 55".
post #424 of 1173
How are people finding this TV compared to the w600 range? Does it suffer from any banding/backlight bleed? Not sure if I should get this or pay the extra for the w900.
post #425 of 1173
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Originally Posted by jobble9 View Post

How are people finding this TV compared to the w600 range? Does it suffer from any banding/backlight bleed? Not sure if I should get this or pay the extra for the w900.

The w650 is only available in a 32", so it won't be considered as more than a slightly larger PC monitor. Sony's w900a seems to only be available in a 55" and retails for around $2600. The w802a 55" is around $1800, so if the active 3D,triluminos display and MVA panels (better black level) are worth the $800 extra is up to you?
post #426 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

The w650 is only available in a 32", so it won't be considered as more than a slightly larger PC monitor. Sony's w900a seems to only be available in a 55" and retails for around $2600. The w802a 55" is around $1800, so if the active 3D,triluminos display and MVA panels (better black level) are worth the $800 extra is up to you?

Thanks for the response smile.gif

I mean, I'd prefer better colours and a better black level, but I wonder how much of a difference it is to the w802a?

And on another note, have you spotted any banding or backlight clouding with your w802a? Also, how's the screen reflectivity?
post #427 of 1173
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Originally Posted by jobble9 View Post

Thanks for the response smile.gif

I mean, I'd prefer better colours and a better black level, but I wonder how much of a difference it is to the w802a?

And on another note, have you spotted any banding or backlight clouding with your w802a? Also, how's the screen reflectivity?

Coming from an LG LM7600 I can tell you that black levels are some of the best I have seen on a non- full array IPS LED. I bought an open item NX720 which employed a PVA and the Dynamic Edge tech with "local" dimming and was always blown away by it's motion and black level performance. What Sony offers with their displays especially the X-Reality pro chip is some of the best video processing this side of plasma. If you you do with the w900a you will get the same fantastic processing with quantum dot (triluminos) and a more advanced dimming solution. I have a fairly struck budget, so my decision came from appealing features within that budget and the w802a delivered. Although if I had $3-6,000 sitting a first gen Sharp Elite, w900a or HX950 would be my top 3.
Edited by Dr.Shankenstein - 6/5/13 at 6:25pm
post #428 of 1173
Wtf is wrong with Sony? I went to test this tv earlier only to find out it still cant play MKV files. It is the year 2013 already and Sony still doesnt support MKV files. Sheesh. What gives?

Now I'm leaning to get the LG LA7400 instead. But I came unprepared though and only had a hard drive with me earlier. Will bring 3d blu rays tomorrow to further test the tv.

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post #429 of 1173
I just bought a 55" w802a last night. When I was playing around in the menu system I saw my NAS come up completely unexpected. I did nothing to connect to it and completely forgot I had files in the shared folders. I was excited when I clicked an MKV and video started playing but then realized I had no sound. This was over the tv's wireless g connection so not sure if bandwidth played a factor there. It would be sweet if the TV could natively play them (with sound). The WD TV Live and similar devices are supposedly good at handling these file types for around $100. Never tried one though. Most of my time with the TV has been set up but so far I'm pretty pleased with it. Upgraded a 5 year old 46" W series sony.
post #430 of 1173
I think the first question I have is, what is an MKV file anyway?
post #431 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post

I think the first question I have is, what is an MKV file anyway?

It is just a file container. File extension .mkv instead of .avi, mpeg3, mp4 etc. See, here in my country, we dont have netflix, hulu, etc. So I usually download tv episodes of my favorite shows(coz they are always delayed by a week or even more when they show it on cable). The HD tv shows are in mkv file containers.



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post #432 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Fenrir7 View Post

Wtf is wrong with Sony? I went to test this tv earlier only to find out it still cant play MKV files. It is the year 2013 already and Sony still doesnt support MKV files. Sheesh. What gives?

Now I'm leaning to get the LG LA7400 instead. But I came unprepared though and only had a hard drive with me earlier. Will bring 3d blu rays tomorrow to further test the tv.

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Use the Serviio DLNA server before giving up.

The note above about no sound. Chances are the MKV was using DTS audio. My bet is that the Sony cannot decode DTS, and therefore you get no sound. Serviio should be able to address that.
post #433 of 1173
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Use the Serviio DLNA server before giving up.

The note above about no sound. Chances are the MKV was using DTS audio. My bet is that the Sony cannot decode DTS, and therefore you get no sound. Serviio should be able to address that.

Ahhh yes forgot about that. The files did have DTS audio. Thanks for the Serviio recommendation. Looks like they make a version that runs on my synology NAS. With netflix, hulu, amazon prime, red box etc. I don't really mess with MKV files anymore. I was impressed with how easily the w802a connected to my NAS though. In contrast to other devices I've tried that are slow and clunky the tv functioned pretty smooth.
post #434 of 1173
If you're using the TV's internal speakers and you need DTS capability, just get yourself a Blu-ray player with a USB and Ethernet port, as well as built-in wifi. Most Blu-ray players can convert Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio to PCM via HDMI. Just make sure that the player you choose has a PCM option under HDMI audio out. Also, make sure it can play as many file formats as possible, especially the ones you're interested in. I think Sony makes products geared more towards the arts, prioritizing sound and picture quality over user-friendly operation, convenience, functionality, and file compatibility. If you want the other things, there are devices you could get for that, such as Blu-ray players, game concels, smartphones, Rocus, and computers.
post #435 of 1173
I saw the W802 series 55" TV in Bestbuy yesterday. They didn't have the 47" version on display.
Also they had Samsung 55" F8000 series next to it on left and 55" LG LA7400 on right of this 55" Sony set.

Frankly speaking I couldn't decide between this Sony set and the Samsung one. Obviously, there were differences between the 2 sets but nothing like the posters on the previous page seem to comment where they found one set of the two to be hands down better than the other. However, the LG LA7400 set did seem to have a little lower picture quality.

So, to the experts.. can you'll elaborate on what factors are you'll using to judge the TV sets?

Long time reader, first post on AVS. Strongly considering this set. Read all the 434 posts before me smile.gif
post #436 of 1173
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Originally Posted by mailrachit View Post

I saw the W802 series 55" TV in Bestbuy yesterday. They didn't have the 47" version on display.
Also they had Samsung 55" F8000 series next to it on left and 55" LG LA7400 on right of this 55" Sony set.

Frankly speaking I couldn't decide between this Sony set and the Samsung one. Obviously, there were differences between the 2 sets but nothing like the posters on the previous page seem to comment where they found one set of the two to be hands down better than the other. However, the LG LA7400 set did seem to have a little lower picture quality.

So, to the experts.. can you'll elaborate on what factors are you'll using to judge the TV sets?

Long time reader, first post on AVS. Strongly considering this set. Read all the 434 posts before me smile.gif

As an owner of the 47" W802a and having owned last years LM7600 (2013 replacement LA7400) I enjoy the Sony much more. The Sammy 46" F8000 is a pretty stellar set for picture adjustments and PQ, but the off angle viewing and overdrive trails associated with VA panels was to much for me to consider.
post #437 of 1173
I think I'm going to get the panasonic ET60 instead of the W802.

I have to special order it though.
post #438 of 1173
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Originally Posted by CalebLevArn View Post

I think I'm going to get the panasonic ET60 instead of the W802.

I have to special order it though.
It was suppose to be on Best buy.com, but as far as I know they haven't started stocking it yet.
Edited by Dr.Shankenstein - 11/26/13 at 6:05pm
post #439 of 1173
Does the 802A have RGB settings under Picture Settings>Advanced Settings? If so, what do R Bias, G Bias, and B Bias go up to? The 2010 Sony I use at my sister's residence goes up to +20. If it goes higher on the newer models, while that might turn blacks into dark grays, it would give me that brightness I'm seeking for daytime viewing.
Edited by Big C - 6/6/13 at 12:06pm
post #440 of 1173
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

In general manufacturers no longer offer response times on their displays. Since the W802a employs an LG IPS panel they have in the past claimed having 4-8ms response times. Having invested a few hours gaming and some film content I can say motion on this set is impressive. My big stress test for motion is Prometheus and Deadspace(1) and saw no overdrive trailing in areas I have with VA panels. If you are talking input lag a few published reviews have stated that it has measured at around 6ms.

I was speaking of input lag and I got to say, this forum is great! Thank you all for the responding and the CNET review sealed the deal for me. I'll be picking up this TV because it clearly fits what I'm looking for. Thanks again for the help.
post #441 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

It was suppose to be on Best buy.com, but as far as I know they haven't started stalking it yet.

Where did you get that info? I probably won't buy it until July anyways.

I sure feel stupid for spending 1,300 on the 37'' DT30 back in 2011 because now the 50'' ET60 is about the same price.
post #442 of 1173
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Originally Posted by CalebLevArn View Post

Where did you get that info? I probably won't buy it until July anyways.

I sure feel stupid for spending 1,300 on the 37'' DT30 back in 2011 because now the 50'' ET60 is about the same price.
I talked to the Panasonic Rep while he was in store. I said noticed that the ET60 was at Nebraska furniture mart, but not at BB. He said it would be a dot com only item, because if the poor sales of the ET5 last gen. When and if it does launch the 50" will $1199.
post #443 of 1173
Update.
Flashlighting still gone. Sony still no reply.
post #444 of 1173
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

As an owner of the 47" W802a and having owned last years LM7600 (2013 replacement LA7400) I enjoy the Sony much more. The Sammy 46" F8000 is a pretty stellar set for picture adjustments and PQ, but the off angle viewing and overdrive trails associated with VA panels was to much for me to consider.

Thanks, maybe I need to go and check it out again..
post #445 of 1173
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Originally Posted by mailrachit View Post

Thanks, maybe I need to go and check it out again..

You should give it a look. The LG had great picture quality overall, but between the flashlighting and the vertical banding caused by LED+ it went back. I feel the picture quality on the Sony is fantastic and with the adjustments can deliver outstanding PQ for and LED based LCD. Having owned plasma displays the black levels aren't as deep as the ST50/60, but for IPS I am very pleased.
post #446 of 1173
I'm actually in the same boat. I'm torn between the UN55F7100 and the KDL-55W802A. I've been reading through the owner threads for both TVs, took a look at the input lag thread and also read through the Active vs Passive debate. I wanted to throw out a couple points that I've come across for the UN60F7100 that you seem to be leaning towards. That TV actually uses a Sharp manufactured display...thus the input lag results are a little different. (43ms for the 60" vs. 38ms for the 55") Not a huge difference...but it does put the 60" in the "OKAY" range vs the "GOOD". Also, the design of the TV's frame is thicker on the 60" most likely to account for the difference in the Sharp display vs the Samsung found on the 55" and 65".

Right now I am leaning towards the Sony 55W802A because of the input lag, Passive 3D and video processing. However, I like the look of the Samsung better, and it does seem to produce a brighter more crisp picture than the Sony...from what I've seen at Best Buy. Both are great TVs...but any additional info to help make the decision would be appreciated!!!
post #447 of 1173
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Originally Posted by NINEraser View Post

I'm actually in the same boat. I'm torn between the UN55F7100 and the KDL-55W802A. I've been reading through the owner threads for both TVs, took a look at the input lag thread and also read through the Active vs Passive debate. I wanted to throw out a couple points that I've come across for the UN60F7100 that you seem to be leaning towards. That TV actually uses a Sharp manufactured display...thus the input lag results are a little different. (43ms for the 60" vs. 38ms for the 55") Not a huge difference...but it does put the 60" in the "OKAY" range vs the "GOOD". Also, the design of the TV's frame is thicker on the 60" most likely to account for the difference in the Sharp display vs the Samsung found on the 55" and 65".

Right now I am leaning towards the Sony 55W802A because of the input lag, Passive 3D and video processing. However, I like the look of the Samsung better, and it does seem to produce a brighter more crisp picture than the Sony...from what I've seen at Best Buy. Both are great TVs...but any additional info to help make the decision would be appreciated!!!

The F7100 is another quality picture from Samsung but its just more of the same input lag as years past (38 to 42ms). The Sony truly breaks ground this year by offering the IPS panel. Passive 3D, and input lag only a half frame slower than a crt television.
post #448 of 1173
Well I just read the DT60 review on cnet and they said that the W802 had better black levels.

Maybe I'll stay away from the ET60 since it probably preforms the same as the DT60.

Now I'm back to deciding what TV to get again.

Sony R550?

Sony W802?

Lg LA6900?
post #449 of 1173
Hello Everyone on the thread

I got this 2 days for my mother to replace a 30 inch Panasonic CRT with 1080i HDMI.

Really nice tv overall. Not close to my HX950 or XBR8 in terms of built quality but I do not notice any edge bleeding or banding on the screen. I have the 47 inch model so i believe banding is more visible in 60 inch or higher models.

I did not check the panel for any dead pixels but sitting 3 feet close to it, I did not notice anything. Might try that tonight to officially see if there is anything. It comes with 4 Passive 3D glasses and I own a Sony 3D projector with Active Glasses and 65HX950 with active the Passive was pretty nice and clear without any ghosting that I would notice on the active. Although anything more than 30 to 40 degrees from the screen would reduce the effectiveness of passive 3D effect. Picture quality is good and I haven't calibrated the panel yet for color but I might have to adjust Green and Blue Bias.

The blue on the edges is a nice touch but i think it's a little unnecessary although i wished the SONY logo lit up like my XBR8 and 950 rather than the LED underneath it. It still looks pretty good though. It comes with 1 year HULU and NETFLIX subscription which is pretty good.

Let me know if you have any questions and I will try to answer.

Thanks
post #450 of 1173
I think the power supply or main board just went out on my set. I noticed last night when powering the set on it took much longer at the boot screen than normal. when it did boot and the PS3 XMB came into view it did so very slowly in vertical bars. Unplugged the set and and did a factory reset. Everything seemed alright afterwards. Today when I got home turned on the set heard a faint buzz and clicking sound before the screen went black and now set won't turn on. No power indicator lights or flashing LED below the Sony logo.
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