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post #481 of 1173
So, I picked up the 55W802A because I was unhappy with the Samsung 55F7100 having thin dark lines along all the edges (about half a cm into the picture along the edge).

Given that, I am pretty disappointed because the W802A also has edges issue. There's a uniform ~1/2" gradient shadow on all sides, which I find most noticeable on the bottom. Of course you can see it most clearly on bright colors. Can any other owners confirm this is normal for all panels? I don't want to get into the panel lottery returning it if there's no hope of a perfect one.

The W802A panel also has a good bit of minor Dirty Screen Effect (DSE). frown.gif

This is a bummer because I really enjoy the W802A's super low input lag in games.

I've been wondering if any of these flaws could be correctable by loosening the screws, as has been suggested for clouding...
post #482 of 1173
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

So, I picked up the 55W802A because I was unhappy with the Samsung 55F7100 having thin dark lines along all the edges (about half a cm into the picture along the edge).

Given that, I am pretty disappointed because the W802A also has edges issue. There's a uniform ~1/2" gradient shadow on all sides, which I find most noticeable on the bottom. Of course you can see it most clearly on bright colors. Can any other owners confirm this is normal for all panels? I don't want to get into the panel lottery returning it if there's no hope of a perfect one.

The W802A panel also has a good bit of minor Dirty Screen Effect (DSE). frown.gif

This is a bummer because I really enjoy the W802A's super low input lag in games.

I've been wondering if any of these flaws could be correctable by loosening the screws, as has been suggested for clouding...

 

Can you post a picture of the gradient shadow you're seeing on the border of the display?  Also for the DSE?

 

Use youtube stills if you have to.

 

I hate TVs.  And I hate seeing the crap they make put people through.

post #483 of 1173
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Can you post a picture of the gradient shadow you're seeing on the border of the display?  Also for the DSE?

DSE is pretty hard to see without motion. I'll try to photograph the edge shadows tomorrow at least, although my poor photography skills may not be adequate to capture a backlight uniformity problem.

Coincidentally, I did loosen the screws on the panel a bit earlier. The sweet placebo tells me the edges look better, we'll see if it sticks. smile.gif
post #484 of 1173
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Wish this thing came in 60".....

 


Was hoping it came in 50"
post #485 of 1173
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Was hoping it came in 50"

wishing the 47" was cheaper...the 50" r550a is on sale at best buy for 899
post #486 of 1173
Does anyone know of any rumors of a 70" being unveiled by Sony in this series this year ?
post #487 of 1173
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

So, I picked up the 55W802A because I was unhappy with the Samsung 55F7100 having thin dark lines along all the edges (about half a cm into the picture along the edge).

Given that, I am pretty disappointed because the W802A also has edges issue. There's a uniform ~1/2" gradient shadow on all sides, which I find most noticeable on the bottom. Of course you can see it most clearly on bright colors. Can any other owners confirm this is normal for all panels? I don't want to get into the panel lottery returning it if there's no hope of a perfect one.

The W802A panel also has a good bit of minor Dirty Screen Effect (DSE). frown.gif

This is a bummer because I really enjoy the W802A's super low input lag in games.

I've been wondering if any of these flaws could be correctable by loosening the screws, as has been suggested for clouding...

You know, I've seen those gradient shadows you mentioned on many Sony LCDs over the years. I was never sure what to call them, but "gradient shadows" is a good term. They look like a narrow, dark shadows that run vertically down the far edges of both sides of the screen and are much more visible when the screen is displaying lighter colors. I haven't noticed them so much on the top or bottom. Is this what you're seeing?
Edited by LDBetaGuy - 6/19/13 at 11:44am
post #488 of 1173
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Originally Posted by LDBetaGuy View Post

You know, I've seen those gradient shadows you mentioned on many Sony LCDs over the years. I was never sure what to call them, but "gradient shadows" is a good term. They look like a narrow, dark shadows that run vertically down the far edges of both sides of the screen and are much more visible when the screen is displaying lighter colors. I haven't noticed them so much on the top or bottom. Is this what you're seeing?

I know this is a mid-range TV and that my expectations should follow accordingly, but to tell you the truth, guys, I'm kind of underwhelmed with it. I tried the Cnet settings, then tweaked them using the DVE calibration disc and then finally tweaked it some more to make things more to my liking. On very well-lit studio programming (such as Food Network cooking shows), the picture looked very good, but on many other kinds of programming I just wasn't pleased with the colors, contrast or black levels. I think this is all at least a little bit subjective, so my concerns may not match yours. I'm returning the Sony and trying out a Panasonic TC-L55ET60. The reviews for the Panasonic are mostly good, especially the one from PCmag.com, so it should be an interesting comparison.

I started to get things set up to photograph like tgm1024 suggested, but just looking at the W802A got me so disgusted I quit. There's no way I'm keeping it.

I hooked the F7100 back up beside it and the difference is striking. In comparison, the F7100 has a crystal clear picture and my previous complaints seem trivial. The difference in contrast is stark. Between the clean backlight, superior colors, and super sexy thin bezel, I'm suddenly loving the F7100. We'll see if it sticks after the ugly W802A is out of here. smile.gif

As far as the W802A compared to the F7100:
  • F7100's exterior design blows away the W802A.
  • F7100 has way better color and contrast. (I claim no credentials here, but it seems obvious to me.)
  • F7100 has a much more consistent backlight.

  • F7100 has an auto-dimming feature that is hard to defeat in game mode.
    This can be annoying, but seeing glowing black loading screens on the W802A made me miss it.

  • W802A's backlight (non)uniformity is a disaster. It looks moderately bad on still images, and disgusting in motion.

  • W802A has a better user interface; it is snappy, looks stylish, and is laid out well to access common functions like switching preset by content type.
    The F7100's UI is utilitarian text menus, with the toggle for game mode being extremely inconvenient.

  • W802A has half the input lag (17ms vs 39ms).
    I can tell the difference under close scrutiny in a rythm game, but these are both very small numbers and only frame-counting fighter fans will be impacted. The lower number is a nice placebo though.

  • W802A's frame interpolation seems less aggressive; it introduces less artifacts in some scenes. (But still too many to leave this on.)

  • W802A has an interesting "Impulse" backlight mode, which is pure strobing without any other processing.
    It's even available in game mode. This makes the picture extremely dark and flickery, but it's very interesting to demonstrate perceptual motion blur (due to Sample And Hold). Moving sprites in a PS3 game are a blurry mess on every LCD I've tried -- but with Impulse mode, they are 100% sharp. I could tell the difference in 3D games too -- such as Trials Evolution. Foliage in the background is sharp as you pass, which looks very nice.

    Impulse mode also eliminates all blur in the PixPerAn motion tests. I was a bit shocked to see stark motion trails due to poor pixel response, since it's normally obscured by the perceptual motion blur.

    Anyway, I don't think Impulse mode is very usable on this set -- it needs about 4x more brightness -- but I found it a useful tool for analyzing motion artifacts.

  • W802A has no advantage on motion in normal backlight mode.
    I actually think 24fps panning judder looks worse, subjectively. I don't know why. This surprises me since I expected the IPS panel technology to have an advantage.

Hm, I think that's enough. I don't want to hijack this thread talking about the F7100 too much.
post #489 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Fenrir7 View Post

Wtf is wrong with Sony? I went to test this tv earlier only to find out it still cant play MKV files. It is the year 2013 already and Sony still doesnt support MKV files. Sheesh. What gives?

Now I'm leaning to get the LG LA7400 instead. But I came unprepared though and only had a hard drive with me earlier. Will bring 3d blu rays tomorrow to further test the tv.

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Use the Serviio DLNA server before giving up.

The note above about no sound. Chances are the MKV was using DTS audio. My bet is that the Sony cannot decode DTS, and therefore you get no sound. Serviio should be able to address that.

Yeah i actually gave up on that. I didnt want to go through DLNA because i just like to plug n play my HDD into the tv to watch HD tv shows. I use my tv for my bedroom and i want it to be as simple and clean as i can possibly be. I only have a tv and an HTIB blu ray (which is terrible at playing videos from flashdisks and HDDs.)

I just wish Sony finally decides to supoort MKV files and other media codecs

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post #490 of 1173
Here is something even more interesting i thought i should bring up. Panasonic has released its 2013 led's out of all of them one series TX-L42E6B LED Smart TV which is a 42" led tv and since its a 42" set one would naturally assume it to be an IPS display but its not. Apparently the E6 range of panasonic led tvs don't come with an IPS panel. I have read about this model on http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-l42e6b-201303102720.htm and even cnet u.k. both these websites have quoted saying that its has some of the best black levels this side of an led tv. they claim panasonic is getting its panels from AU Optronics and CMI. I had read earlier that sony is going to source its panels from AU Optronics. could it be that the sony W802 is not an IPS display but panel made by AU. Oh by the Way here in Asia Sony has released its W9 series model its called W905 and W954 the difference being that the W954 comes with an opti contrast panel same like the HX850.
post #491 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Sehej Rana View Post

Here is something even more interesting i thought i should bring up. Panasonic has released its 2013 led's out of all of them one series TX-L42E6B LED Smart TV which is a 42" led tv and since its a 42" set one would naturally assume it to be an IPS display but its not.Apparently the E6 range of panasonic led tvs don't come with an IPS panel. I have read about this model on http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-l42e6b-201303102720.htm and even cnet u.k. both these websites have quoted saying that its has some of the best black levels this side of an led tv. they claim panasonic is getting its panels from AU Optronics and CMI. I had read earlier that sony is going to source its panels from AU Optronics. could it be that the sony W802 is not an IPS display but panel made by AU. Oh by the Way here in Asia Sony has released its W9 series model its called W905 and W954 the difference being that the W954 comes with an opti contrast panel same like the HX850.

 

Only 3 out of the 7 base model LED-LCD's that panasonic offers in the US are IPS.

 

IPS: WT60, DT60, ET60

non-IPS: E60, EM60, XM6, B6

 

I'm not sure why you think that a 42" implies IPS.

 

By the way, AUO makes panels for a LOT of companies.  They've wound their way into everyone and everything.

post #492 of 1173
Hi

I'm new in the forum, I don't speak english very well, but I will try...

I bought a KDL-47W807A (A Colombian version of W802 series) and have some issues withe the TV:

I replace my old XBR6 with this new model, and I have a PS3, some games have a DTS audio (uncharted 2-3, killzone 2-3) and the new tv cannot send the DTS audio to my amplifier via optical output (my old XBR6 can make this) how is posiible this? the W802 is a new model and the XBR6 is 5 years old!!!

In my new TV, I can play MKV files directly with a external USB hard disk, but when I try to play a mkv file bigger than 8 gb the TV freezes and the only way to unfreeze the tv is unplugging from the electrical source, happens to someone else?

thank you for your help
post #493 of 1173
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Originally Posted by jboteroz View Post

Hi

I'm new in the forum, I don't speak english very well, but I will try...

 

Hey, welcome!  I don't know the answer to your questions, but I thought I'd tell you that you apparently write in English better than many of the younger characters I've bumped into on the web.  I don't know if it's the schools these days, or them growing up as a primarily txting generation, but many of these kids have no idea what punctuation is at all or how to express an idea properly.  Things run on and on from them, and from where I sit your use of English is nearly spot-on.

post #494 of 1173
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Originally Posted by jboteroz View Post

Hi

I'm new in the forum, I don't speak english very well, but I will try...

I bought a KDL-47W807A (A Colombian version of W802 series) and have some issues withe the TV:

I replace my old XBR6 with this new model, and I have a PS3, some games have a DTS audio (uncharted 2-3, killzone 2-3) and the new tv cannot send the DTS audio to my amplifier via optical output (my old XBR6 can make this) how is posiible this? the W802 is a new model and the XBR6 is 5 years old!!!

In my new TV, I can play MKV files directly with a external USB hard disk, but when I try to play a mkv file bigger than 8 gb the TV freezes and the only way to unfreeze the tv is unplugging from the electrical source, happens to someone else?

thank you for your help

With regard to MKV files: that is what happened when I tested most of the 2013 Sony models. They all froze and the only way to unfreeze was unplugging the power. This happend to the W6, W7, W8 and R5 models O tried. It was only a 1.5gb HD episode of Game of Thrones.

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post #495 of 1173
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Originally Posted by jboteroz View Post

Hi

I'm new in the forum, I don't speak english very well, but I will try...

I bought a KDL-47W807A (A Colombian version of W802 series) and have some issues withe the TV:

I replace my old XBR6 with this new model, and I have a PS3, some games have a DTS audio (uncharted 2-3, killzone 2-3) and the new tv cannot send the DTS audio to my amplifier via optical output (my old XBR6 can make this) how is posiible this? the W802 is a new model and the XBR6 is 5 years old!!!

In my new TV, I can play MKV files directly with a external USB hard disk, but when I try to play a mkv file bigger than 8 gb the TV freezes and the only way to unfreeze the tv is unplugging from the electrical source, happens to someone else?

thank you for your help

With regard to MKV files: that is what happened when I tested most of the 2013 Sony models. They all froze and the only way to unfreeze was unplugging the power. This happend to the W6, W7, W8 and R5 models O tried. It was only a 1.5gb HD episode of Game of Thrones.

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post #496 of 1173
I might be wrong but I thought this was a limit of the technology or a copyright issue when using an HDMI source. I've had 3 sony's and none of them have passed DTS over optical but none have been XBRs.

I have tried smaller MKV files over a network (less than 2gb) and they have been good. Have you tried streaming the 8gb+ files over a network to the TV instead?
post #497 of 1173
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I might be wrong but I thought this was a limit of the technology or a copyright issue when using an HDMI source. I've had 3 sony's and none of them have passed DTS over optical but none have been XBRs.

I have tried smaller MKV files over a network (less than 2gb) and they have been good. Have you tried streaming the 8gb+ files over a network to the TV instead?

Through a network, meaning there's a DLNA server? Of course MKVs will work that way. The server will do the transcoding ib order to play it on the TV.

That takes away simplicty. You'll need to turn on your laptop/pc as media server rather than just plugging and playing the HD directly to the TV

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post #498 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Fenrir7 View Post

Through a network, meaning there's a DLNA server? Of course MKVs will work that way. The server will do the transcoding ib order to play it on the TV.

That takes away simplicty. You'll need to turn on your laptop/pc as media server rather than just plugging and playing the HD directly to the TV

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True. I'm not sure my NAS had DLNA enabled though. I thought it was pulling from a shared folder. I'll have to mess with that tonight.

I know that isn't the functionality you asked about, just throwing out suggestions. I used to be determined to play files directly from hard drives like that until I got a good NAS. Best thing I ever did to my home network. You can plug a HDD into a router or buy a cheap NAS enabled drive for around $100. Both would get you DLNA functionality. You don't need to have a pc running. To me having to plug a hdd into my computer, transfer files and then plug it into my TV to watch a video is a hassle.
post #499 of 1173
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Originally Posted by dan96max View Post

I might be wrong but I thought this was a limit of the technology or a copyright issue when using an HDMI source. I've had 3 sony's and none of them have passed DTS over optical but none have been XBRs.

I have tried smaller MKV files over a network (less than 2gb) and they have been good. Have you tried streaming the 8gb+ files over a network to the TV instead?

Hi

Thank you everybody for the answers

Yes, I can play mkv files with a DLNA streaming but, over wi-fi, with the high bitrate of mkv files (12 mbps) is impossible!

I will try with a cable conection
post #500 of 1173
Hi folks!
Im interested to the kdl-42w805a it claims input lags of 6ms , is it real?
I need it for 3d pc gaming (simracing such as rfactor,iracing and fps such as bf3 and Far Cry 3) so input lag it's very important.
Who try 3d with nvidia cards?Can support 1080p@60 hz or support only 720p@60hz and the orrid 1080p@24 hz?
Does the edid hack works (forces the tv in 3D 1080p@60hz like you can see on that link) :

http://afriendlyfox.com/2013/02/04/massively-improved-nvidia-3d-vision-on-passive-3dtvs-edid-override/

Thanx.
post #501 of 1173
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Hi folks!
Im interested to the kdl-42w805a it claims input lags of 6ms , is it real?

...

I got a Leo Bodnar input lag tester recently and went rampant at a local retailer. Among others, I tested the 55" W807AS (I think it's a Scandinavian version of the series), and got around 16ms, which matches what CNET lists in their "game mode on" article. I also tested a 42" in the W6 series and got a lag score so low I started to worry about the lag tester, around 6-7ms. It gives fairly consistent results for the other TVs I have tested (and same as other sources, in the case of W8), though, so even if 6-7 isn't perfectly correct, the lag is sure to be low.

(ADDED: This was with both sets in game mode [Scene set to Game]. The W807 had 115ms lag in non-game mode, in case anyone wonders.)

For comparison, the mid-range Samsungs and Panasonics I tested were around 40ms. Samsung usually below 40 and Panasonic above.

I'm thinking of getting either a W6 or W8, mainly for gaming. Does anyone have observations regarding their differences in picture quality and motion? I.e. is W8 much better? It's kind of stretching my budget.

Also, does anyone know the difference(s) between W802A, W805A, W807AS, etc? I'm quite new to his and want to know I'm actually reading about the correct panel and stuff when the model number differs.
Edited by hiptanaka - 6/19/13 at 4:22am
post #502 of 1173
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jboteroz View Post

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Originally Posted by dan96max View Post

I might be wrong but I thought this was a limit of the technology or a copyright issue when using an HDMI source. I've had 3 sony's and none of them have passed DTS over optical but none have been XBRs.

I have tried smaller MKV files over a network (less than 2gb) and they have been good. Have you tried streaming the 8gb+ files over a network to the TV instead?

Hi

Thank you everybody for the answers

Yes, I can play mkv files with a DLNA streaming but, over wi-fi, with the high bitrate of mkv files (12 mbps) is impossible!

I will try with a cable conection

 

Go dual-band 802.11n.  In any case, people get confused by wireless communications.  Unlike wired, it is not duplex.  A send from anywhere eclipses a receive, I believe at the IP packet level, I'm not sure.

 

EDIT: Whoa.  For routers: The new 802.11ac format is MU-MIMO (Multi User-MIMO) and might allow duplex for that reason.  I don't know this for sure.  But there are reports of 802.11ac routers handling multiple .n endpoints simultaneously.


Edited by tgm1024 - 6/26/13 at 12:05pm
post #503 of 1173
Can anyone tell me what settings Game Mode disables?

Game Mode on my F8000 isn't great at bringing input lag down to an acceptable level, but it doesn't disable the Smart LED setting. That keeps black levels consistent across the whole screen. Playing without that setting enabled made blacks around the edges far too light, especially in The Last of Us which is full of dark scenes.
post #504 of 1173
I'm leaning towards getting a W80x, but I just went to a local store and compared the model they have (W807AS) to other sets, and that particular unit had some of the worst uniformity among all the models on display. Essentially the screen is slightly darker along the edges, and in some places it spreads into the picture and creates the "smudge" effect. I didn't notice it until I started looking for it, but then it was obvious. I captured a video of it that probably doesn't show it too well, but you can probably get the idea.

Owners of this model, can you see these dark edges/unevenness on your sets? I'm thinking it could be worse on this specific unit.

Other than this annoyance, I liked it a lot.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG3f5nPz7po (Switch to 720p)
post #505 of 1173
Nobody have tested the w802/805/807 in 3d gaming with a PC and NVidia cards?
post #506 of 1173
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Nobody have tested the w802/805/807 in 3d gaming with a PC and NVidia cards?

I may be wrong, but I believe Nvidia 3D is active 3D only.
post #507 of 1173
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I may be wrong, but I believe Nvidia 3D is active 3D only.

No,3DTV Play is a special feature that enables NVidia drivers to work with passive and active 3d TV's.
post #508 of 1173
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No,3DTV Play is a special feature that enables NVidia drivers to work with passive and active 3d TV's.

Really? That's awesome. I'm keeping this TV as a contender.
post #509 of 1173
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No,3DTV Play is a special feature that enables NVidia drivers to work with passive and active 3d TV's.

Really? That's awesome. I'm keeping this TV as a contender.


kwild, I've seen people pass around this strange idea before about 3D technologies from the content side somehow being latched to passive or active.  Dual play, 3D games, etc., etc.  I still have no idea why people would think that any of that matters.  The 3D content is sent to the TV.  Whether or not that 3D is a movie, a game, or two 2D screens crocked together in the same signal for dual-play, it's up to the TV to decipher it the way it knows how to.  Passive or active.

post #510 of 1173
Just an update. I initially posted a bad review about this tv but decided id take it back and try out another one. Well now all I can say is wow eek.gif I now have no backlight bleeding or any clouding. It is completely uniform. Also on the previous set I thought it looked extremely dim. There is a setting in "eco" to turn off the light sensor, which drastically changes brightness. If your looking for an excellent gaming set (which is what I use this for), then there is no better. At +/- 18ms of input lag this thing is untouchable. cool.gif
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