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post #31 of 175
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

OPPO is pure marketing, this is why you have read great things. They are trying to be the swiss army knife of AV gear when most people only need the toothpick. Yet people will praise them for their features, continue to buy, and continue to recommend them needlessly.
Well, I'm glad that you settled all of that for us in one fell swoop, only one problem.
You're dead wrong.

Good day.
post #32 of 175
Ya gotta love fanbois.

Good day to you too!
post #33 of 175
imo the op will also need need to get some $500 cables and some $500 speaker wires also to actually make this system sound its best tongue.gif
post #34 of 175
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Ya gotta love fanbois.

Good day to you too!

Apologies, this was out of line. I'd like to be educated, not just told I am wrong. I still fail to see why piecing components together to overcome shortcomings of his legacy system is the best choice. But then in the grand scheme of things, nothing really matters.

Peace.
post #35 of 175
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Originally Posted by IJB77 View Post

Hi – would really appreciate anyone’s thoughts on the following. I’m looking to upgrade my blu-ray player AND finally enter the era of digital music and am therefore looking for both a DAC and a new blu-ray player.

I will play the blu-ray through my stereo (I have a high end British amp and CD player). So here’s my dilemma. I had originally thought the OPPO 105 would be the perfect solution as in addition to the blu-ray it also has the DAC. However, the more I look into this and read about it, the more I’m pulled towards the need for a separate DAC and have heard that the DAC in the OPPO can’t compete with the stand-alone DACs of equal cost. The final issue is that I’m under a bit of pressure from my darling wife to keep my system as tidy as possible, and try to avoid any more “big boxes”.

So I guess my questions are:

1) How does the DAC in the OPPO 105 stack up against the sub $1,000 separate DACs? Specifically for sound quality from a macbook with pure music, and also from a blu-ray player and cable box?
2) If I would be best off getting a separate DAC, and since I need to at least try and keep it semi-compact, the most recommended under $1,000 seem to be:

a. Rega DAC
b. Schiit Bifrost
c. Resonessence Labs Concero
d. Music Fidelity V DAC II
e. Arcam rDAC
f. Music Fidelity M1 (might be a bit too big?)
g. Cambridge Audio DAC Magic Plus (again, too big?)
h. Peachtree DAC iT (although this is not asynchronous)
i. Any others?

With regards sound, I’m looking for a neutral, slightly warm character to go with my amp / speakers, not too lively and avoiding unwanted treble and brightness.

Would really appreciate any suggestions / comments / guidance.

Thanks
I would go with the oppo,it has a top notch DAC,sounds incredible!.. And the picture quality and build quality is definitely worth every dollar
post #36 of 175
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

For the kind of money you are thinking about spending, you might do well to completely rethink your situation.

A good general rule of audio is to keep your audio from the digital domain in the digital domain as close to the speakers as is reasonably possible. This goal is probably most simply and efficiently realized by relying on an AVR for the many signal and control functions in a modern audio system. Among other things this can centralize your need for Digital-To-Analog conversion in one place, the AVR. A consequence of this is that a simple Blu Ray player without expensive multichannel digital converters can be your best possible solution.

In these days DACs are no longer the mysterious and highly expensive oddities that they once were. Endlessly upgrading DACs in order to improved obtain sound quality is no longer a productive strategy.
Totally agree on that arnyk!.. That is so true nowdays
post #37 of 175
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Nope, I don't need personal experience to evaluate features and equate them to that which exists in cheaper, more flexible and scalable alternatives. My AVR, my Panasonic Blu-Ray, my legacy Denon play everything box connected via Denonlink easily equal, perhaps surpass anything Oppo offers. I don't think anyone but diehard fans cares what Oppo sold in the past.

Well no, he didn't say least expensive solution, but he did say financial constraints. Semantics, but my feedback is valid.

Good day.
Now that is very funny! Lmfao
post #38 of 175
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Well, I'm glad that you settled all of that for us in one fell swoop, only one problem.
You're dead wrong.

Good day.
Um...have you ever had a oppo?
My 103 ranks up there with some of the best audio/video components I have ever owned!
It sits proudly with my parasound halo amps and anthem pre-pro..the build quality is top notch,the sound is amazing.. And the picture quality blows away any other blue ray player I have ever owned,thanks to the hi-end video processing..I have NO idea what your talking about?!?!
post #39 of 175
My Oppo story, first i am pro cd and have been since 1983, yes 30 years with more than a dozen cdp's and most of them over 5k, i now own a Chord One cd player that needs repair i did not want to be without music for a couple of weeks so i tought i would buy a backup, i had a friend selling his Oppo 95 to upgrade to the 105 i bought it and to my surprise i liked it, i kept it two days and sold it to buy the 105, well here is my review on this unit for $1,150.00 Canadian NEW it's a real bargain, is it better than my Chord the answer is NO, does the Chord sound sound 7 times better again the answer is NO, all i can say is that my Chord duo CPM-2600 & One will be for sale soon and i will match the Oppo 105 with a very powerful amplifier NO preamp, it's a toss between Jeff Rowland - Krell - McIntosh - what ever will be available on the used market.








Edited by MrAcoustat - 4/4/13 at 5:51pm
post #40 of 175
That's one hellacious sentence. You must be some kind of punctuation athiest.
post #41 of 175
If you have a problem reading it just skip it and go to the next post.
post #42 of 175
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

OPPO is pure marketing, this is why you have read great things. They are trying to be the swiss army knife of AV gear when most people only need the toothpick. Yet people will praise them for their features, continue to buy, and continue to recommend them needlessly..

 

Swiss army knife? Definitely.

 

Most people only need the toothpick? Probably.

 

Pure marketing? Absolutely false. It's your empty criticism that needless. Sorry.

post #43 of 175
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Originally Posted by MrAcoustat View Post

If you have a problem reading it just skip it and go to the next post.

There was no next post to go to at the time of my reply. biggrin.gif

Perhaps I'm being quaint here but I actually find it a little bit rude when people do not make the effort to express themselves clearly, knowing that others will be reading and possibly struggling to get through their text. But maybe that's just me.

I do give you credit for going back to edit the post after I made my wisecrack comment, as you added in nearly a dozen commas. A period or two might have been nice, but I'll take it as a small victory anyway. cool.gif
post #44 of 175
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

There was no next post to go to at the time of my reply. biggrin.gif

Perhaps I'm being quaint here but I actually find it a little bit rude when people do not make the effort to express themselves clearly, knowing that others will be reading and possibly struggling to get through their text. But maybe that's just me.

I do give you credit for going back to edit the post after I made my wisecrack comment, as you added in nearly a dozen commas. A period or two might have been nice, but I'll take it as a small victory anyway. cool.gif

As a francophone on an english site i can only try my best, i am sorry if i'm not to your standards, i think that most here prefer that i write in english instead of my mother tongue wich is french.smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #45 of 175
Do you think bolding every post gives it more gravitas?
post #46 of 175
About as annoying as those who post in blue. I use the black background, and the blue is unreadable. So I just skip those posts. wink.gif
post #47 of 175
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Do you think bolding every post gives it more gravitas?

No but it's much easier to read, some of you guy's are worst than my wife, yack yack yack , don't you have anything interesting to say.
post #48 of 175
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Do you think bolding every post gives it more gravitas?

No but it's much easier to read, some of you guy's are worst than my wife, yack yack yack , don't you have anything interesting to say.

 

Yet. another. pot. calling. the. kettle. black,

post #49 of 175
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Apologies, this was out of line. I'd like to be educated, not just told I am wrong. I still fail to see why piecing components together to overcome shortcomings of his legacy system is the best choice. But then in the grand scheme of things, nothing really matters.

Peace.

I don't know from a feature standpoint you may be correct. I don't use half of the oppo 'features'. I don't use dnla, the usb input or many of the other 'fancy features' it has. I"m old school, I put in a disc and play it. The 105 to me is too feature laden and they have tried to stuff 10 lbs in a 5 lb bag, at least for me. I do know a couple of things about my 95. One it delivers a very clean and pure signal to my headphone amp, via analog. Two, the company has the best customer service, period. The few times I've had hiccups or questions and sent an email, it was always answered within 24 hours, usually a couple of hours (even on weekends). Once I sent them a disc to confirm and it was promptly returned in a couple of days. I have a panasonic player that retired to the bedroom when the oppo came, and I never got anywhere close to that service from panasonic. In the oppo thread, (particularly the old 83 thread) you'll find people who've had their player sent in for service out of warranty and it was fixed for nothing anyway (usually loader problems), or for small fixed fees. in most cases turnaround was a day, maybe two. To me that service is worth the cost of admission and in this day and age needs applauding.
post #50 of 175
Hi guys... Maybe some objective measurements might help.

Oppo BDP-105 as USB DAC:
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/02/measurements-oppo-bdp-105.html

Oppo BDP-105 DSD Measurements:
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/04/measurements-oppo-bdp-105-does-dsd.html

Summary: It's good!
post #51 of 175
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Originally Posted by Archimago View Post

Hi guys... Maybe some objective measurements might help.

Oppo BDP-105 as USB DAC:
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/02/measurements-oppo-bdp-105.html

Oppo BDP-105 DSD Measurements:
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/04/measurements-oppo-bdp-105-does-dsd.html

Summary: It's good!
Excellent work.
post #52 of 175
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Originally Posted by Archimago View Post

Hi guys... Maybe some objective measurements might help.

Oppo BDP-105 as USB DAC:
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/02/measurements-oppo-bdp-105.html

Oppo BDP-105 DSD Measurements:
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/04/measurements-oppo-bdp-105-does-dsd.html

Summary: It's good!

Actually insanely good - vast overkill.

Nice low-residual measurements. Shows how good the E-MU 0404USB (note: USB but not asynch) really is for not a ton of money.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=462248&is=REG&A=details&Q=
post #53 of 175
I hate to be this guy, but I was reading this thread and I think you should be really careful with the majority of the advice above.

Yes, there's always a bang-for-the-buck argument, but to say that a DAC is a DAC is a DAC, well that's just silly in my opinion.

Go with your gut, come up with a budget to experiment that your wife will not leave you over...or make some friends that have DACs and go listen to them (you can bring your Oppo to their house and try it running direct to their pre-amp/amp or thru their DAC)...have some fun, don't listen to the bad advice here...ugh
post #54 of 175
^So when you go to a friend's house and listen to their DAC, it's the DAC - and only the DAC - that you're listening to? How does that work?
Normally you need speakers and a room in order to listen to a DAC.
post #55 of 175
You're saying he can't do a simple A/B between his Oppo with/without a DAC unless it's at his house...gotcha
post #56 of 175
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Originally Posted by kinchu007 View Post

Go with your gut,
Now that's a bad advice. frown.gif
post #57 of 175
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Originally Posted by kinchu007 View Post

You're saying he can't do a simple A/B between his Oppo with/without a DAC unless it's at his house...gotcha

DAC listening tests are kinda futile because all good DACs sound the same, and more and more of them are very good.
post #58 of 175
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

I don't know that a modern optical drive would hold up that long, so you have mechanical failure to consider.

You know it's funny, I have my HT torn down waiting on Seaton CAT's and I was just playing the re-mastered Pink Floyd SACD on my "other" system cause I needed some louder sound while I wait.
This other system is comprised of 1985 vintage Carver separates including a Carver TL-3100 Compact Disc Player. Powered up by a Carver M-500T amp into get this... a pair of original Bose 901, Series 1 loudspeakers.
Does it sound great? Not even close but it does play quite loud and doesn't distort.

So that player is 28 years old and has been flawless.

Not saying this to say all players will last more than ten years but I am amazed at this one for sure.




Here is a video of it playing, recorded on my Galaxy Note II phone.
http://www.getdieselpower.com/misc/Sharon/HomeTheater/Living_Room/Bose901.mp4
Edited by mhrischuk - 6/12/13 at 5:12am
post #59 of 175
Okay so I am gathering here that spending a lot of money on an expensive DAC is a waste of money? I have read and done some research and seems the main importance of a good DAC is to reduce or try to eliminate jitter which effects sound quality. By all means I am no engineer here I'm just going off what I have read online. Anyways I'm on the same boat as far as deciding on a DAC or Oppo-105. I do have a Playsation 3, Marantz pm-15s2, Paradigm studio 60 v3 (soon to upgrade to Kef Ls50s), and using my Burson Audio Conductor as a dac. I feel my dac has provided a bigger soundstage and more detail to my flac files I stream through it. Anyways I was thinking about returning my Burson Audio originally to save money and go with a less expensive dac like the Rega, Audiolab, or Musical Fidelity but I came across many great reviews about the Nad m51 and Wyred 4 Sound DAC-2SE both costing 2500 dollars. But it seems I found the most and best reviews about the Wyred but I realized omg I am spending more and more when I was thinking I could save save save by going with a less expensive dac or Oppo. I have see DACs go well over 30k which I think is crazy and not sure what makes the price skyrocket (are they making with real gold and diamonds? LOL) but I am seeing a debate about DACs now. I have even read a research about the Human Ears and how we cannot distinguish above a certain level of quality in sound (music) and how DACs with that go above 192khz can actually not be good for listening. Not sure how credible this source is but check out this link: http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html I thought it was interesting and made some valid points. With that said I am so confused if I even need an expensive DAC or a middle of the road DAC like Rega, Audiolab, Schiit Bifrost, Musical Fidelity, or and Oppo bdp-105 would suffice my needs. I hear people talking about transparency, bigger soundstage, separation, warmth, laidback, forward, detailed and coming to life as they talk about there DACs. I just want the best out of my 2 channel audio system with the digital files that I am feeding back. Any thoughts and/or suggestions or comments?
post #60 of 175
I used to believe all dac's sound the same. back 10 yrs ago, when i bought my first real hifi system I was at a stereo shop in new york and i bought B&W Nautilus 804 and Arcam AVR300 receiver on an impulse mainly because it sounded so much better than what I had before (Kenwood AVR & Polk audio bookshelves).

Came home and hook up my ps2 via optical to the AVR and the sound was certainly better than what I had before but nowhere near as good as i heard when i was in the shop.

I decided to buy a usd 500 denon universal player and connected it via analog AND digital to the arcam avr.

The sound was immensely better (night and day) and it was just slightly better when using the anlog connection of the Denon vs the digital connection. it was easy to test because i could just change the input via remote. There were a lot of different things going on:
1) the arcam in analog mode turned off all digital circuitry and claimed it sounded better in analog (in pure direct mode)
2) the dacs in the arcam were different than the denon (arcam used wolfsen, forgot what denon used).
3) the having seperate powersupplies for pre+amp vs dac+transport

All of those contributed to a much better sound.

Eventually I bought a usd800 Arcam CD player and an hifi friend bought along a Linn Genki CD player along and we hooked all three up via analog to different inputs and played the same CD and kept switching and there were clear differences in the sound. I think the dacs played a big factor, but I think the qualities of the power supplies played an equally big role.

Nowadays I don't have a seperate DAC or disc player. I have a Linn Akurate DSM wihich is a 2ch pre-amp with integrated DAC and all my music is stored in a NAS.

never compared or heard the oppo disc players, but heard good things about them. personally, based on the OP's question, i don't think the forum can ever conclusively answer it.

1) if you belive all dacs are the same (as clearly many here do) then the OP should buy the cheapest huwai disc player and be done with it. why bother even with anything opp?
2) if you actaully want to audition and hear differences, they only you can decide whter oppo 103 or 105 are 'good enough' or whether you need an outboard DAC. the reviews seem to suggest the DACs in an oppo are very very good and a cheap dac will probably at best match it or be worse so you should have some big bux dacs around an you can simultanously hookup the oppo via analog to the amp and via digital via outboard dac to different input in the same pre and input switch via remote which should give you a fairly good basis.

warning though--option 2 requires you to make your own decisions based on what you hear (i know its crazy), and not rely on armchair reviews based on what should work/not work and emprical data on some double blind tests that you were neither and it probably didnt' include the exact equipment in question anyways but some random list of equipment and then the data interpolated to fit gross generalizations on 'all dacs'. it not for everyone expecially double blind abx flat earthers. if you can't trust yourselft you hear differences of an input change wihtout an insanely elaborate double blind abx, then just buy a huawai blue ray and be done with it.

Ignorance is bliss smile.gif
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