or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Display Calibration › eeColor Processor - CalMAN - 3D LUTs
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

eeColor Processor - CalMAN - 3D LUTs - Page 11

post #301 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACappo View Post

since the eecolor box only support HDMI 1.3 ie no 3D no UHD, how long would you think it is before its totaly outdated?
I dont use 3D and dont think I have any plans of it, not within the next few years anyway,

I guess what im asking is it a waste to go and get it now, or would you wait to an updated version is on the market? baring in mind im on a budget.

You're not going to find any affordable LUT box that supports UHD. You could wait, but for how long? As with any rapidly advancing technology, you have to just jump on the bus or sit on the sidelines.
post #302 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACappo View Post

since the eecolor box only support HDMI 1.3 ie no 3D no UHD, how long would you think it is before its totaly outdated?
I dont use 3D and dont think I have any plans of it, not within the next few years anyway,

I guess what im asking is it a waste to go and get it now, or would you wait to an updated version is on the market? baring in mind im on a budget.

You will be able to use eeColor with your BluRay Player for 2D Blu-Ray Movies for a lot of years...

When the next format will be annouched (Blu-Ray XL for example), then we will have to start searching for a new Affordable LUT Holder Box.

2160p TV's is not something new, Toshiba is selling already the 55ZL2 from 2011 at stores.

3D Signal is not something special you need to have your TV 17-Point Cube Calibrated to see accurate picture because 3D can't ever be precisely calibrated, 3D Movies are just for fun.

The only 3D LUT Holder Device with 3D Frame Packing Capability is the Pandora Pluto (~5.000$) but you can't use with a Stand-Alone Blu-Ray Player because it has HD-SDI Connections , don't have HDMI Input/Output (HD-SDI to HDMI or HDMI to HD-SDI Signal Convertors can't help because of HDMI HDCP Copy Protection)

There is not available at any price range any LUT Holder Box with HDMI In-Out that can handle 2160p Singal yet.

If you got eeColor with a 2160p TV, then you will have to output 1080p from your Blu-Ray Player and the TV will have to do the upscaling to 2160p because these TV's feature better Picture Quality Scallers to do that, you will have better performance compared with 2160p Bluray Player upscaling.

eeColor for it's price / performance it's still 'the king of value for money' vs. any other calibration device.
Edited by ConnecTEDDD - 9/7/13 at 12:03pm
post #303 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post


eeColor for it's price / performance it's still 'the king of value for money' vs. any other calibration device.

What does the eeColor give up over the Radiance Mini-3D besides 3D support, extra HDMI input, and scaling?
post #304 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

What does the eeColor give up over the Radiance Mini-3D besides 3D support, extra HDMI input, and scaling?

it has no VP at all, but it does process 65^3 LUT's... ;-)
post #305 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post


eeColor for it's price / performance it's still 'the king of value for money' vs. any other calibration device.

What does the eeColor give up over the Radiance Mini-3D besides 3D support, extra HDMI input, and scaling?

Radiance is Video Processor, you can't disable that extra internal signal processing...

eeColor is just a LUT Holder Device, you will get a more transparent signal.

Radiance's LUT capability: 21-Step Grayscale (1D Table) + 5-Point Cube (125 Color Points) (3D Cube Table)

eeColor LUT capability: 65-Point 1D Table (But we don't use them) + 65-Point Cube (274.625 Color Points) that are interpollated from actual 17-Point Cube (4.913 Color Points) Corrected Color Points from your Calibration Software.

This means that you can have the same accurancy of correction (17-Point Cube) that all the PRO Calibrations Systems are using @ Professional World for 650$.

If you need extra HDMI In or Outs, you can hook up an HDMI Switcher or HDMI Splitter and you can swap throu it's 6 Memory Slots.
post #306 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

it has no VP at all, but it does process 65^3 LUT's... ;-)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

Radiance is Video Processor, you can't disable that extra internal signal processing...

eeColor is just a LUT Holder Device, you will get a more transparent signal.

Radiance's LUT capability: 21-Step Grayscale (1D Table) + 5-Point Cube (125 Color Points) (3D Cube Table)

eeColor LUT capability: 65-Point 1D Table (But we don't use them) + 65-Point Cube (274.625 Color Points) that are interpollated from actual 17-Point Cube (4.913 Color Points) Corrected Color Points from your Calibration Software.

This means that you can have the same accurancy of correction (17-Point Cube) that all the PRO Calibrations Systems are using @ Professional World for 650$.

If you need extra HDMI In or Outs, you can hook up an HDMI Switcher or HDMI Splitter and you can swap throu it's 6 Memory Slots.

Thanks guys, that's exactly what I needed to know. The eeColor is more suited to my needs.

I have a Chroma5, I assume I should upgrade to a i1DPro to take the most advantage of using LUTs via the eeColor?
post #307 of 406
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post


Thanks guys, that's exactly what I needed to know. The eeColor is more suited to my needs.

I have a Chroma5, I assume I should upgrade to a i1DPro to take the most advantage of using LUTs via the eeColor?

If you get a OEM D3 you can use it with LightSpace HCL or CalMAN.
post #308 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

What does the eeColor give up over the Radiance Mini-3D besides 3D support, extra HDMI input, and scaling?

eecolor doesn't have a triplet Pattern Generator as does the Radiance Mini-3D. So unless you have a internal triplet Pattern Generator you need a external triplet Pattern Generator.

That's what I used my Mini 3D for, and I also have a eecolor box for LightSpace's large Profiles/LUT's.

ss
post #309 of 406
Thread Starter 
How about CalMAN or LightSpace internal patterns?
post #310 of 406
That's what I said, "internal triplet Pattern".
Do you use internal triplet Pattern's from Lightspace or Calman or a External Pattern Generator.. ?

I think most of us LightSpace users that post here on AVS use a Mini or External Pattern Generator of some kind. And as you have read here on AVS there was a heated debate on how effective a Internal Pattern Generator is.

Also don't forget about the small distortion with brightness that eecolor has a issue with.

ss
Edited by sillysally - 9/7/13 at 9:37pm
post #311 of 406
Thread Starter 
ss - Your signature says you're selling your Radiance. What will you use for a LS pattern generator?
post #312 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

If you get a OEM D3 you can use it with LightSpace HCL or CalMAN.

I thought CalMAN supports retail i1D3s?
post #313 of 406
Most CalMAN levels support both the retail and OEM D3. I have an OEM D3 that I use with CM and CP.
post #314 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

ss - Your signature says you're selling your Radiance. What will you use for a LS pattern generator?

A Radiance 2041.

ss
post #315 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Most CalMAN levels support both the retail and OEM D3. I have an OEM D3 that I use with CM and CP.

OK, just making sure. I thought I did some math where the bundled CalMAN + OEM D3 was at least $100 more than buying the license and getting a retail meter for $230. But, I just looked and a CalMAN enthusiast license + OEM D3 is only $600, so that seems like a fair deal.

EDIT: sorry that math was for ChromaPure bundle. I realize now I should be going with CalMAN. Version 5 seems like 10 years more advanced than my old 3.7 version!
post #316 of 406
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

A Radiance 2041.

ss

Ooooh. I'm looking for an wxcuse to drive down there..... tongue.gif
post #317 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

A Radiance 2041.

ss

Ooooh. I'm looking for an wxcuse to drive down there..... tongue.gif

I thought he was selling it to use my disk as a pattern source. lol
post #318 of 406
Hi again, and apologies for this very basic question:

If I'm using an eeColor box, I know I need to load LUTs from LightSpace. I would be using CalMAN Enthusiast version. But I'm unclear on exactly where the actual video patterns originate from? From the eeColorbox?
post #319 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Hi again, and apologies for this very basic question:

If I'm using an eeColor box, I know I need to load LUTs from LightSpace. I would be using CalMAN Enthusiast version. But I'm unclear on exactly where the actual video patterns originate from? From the eeColorbox?

No, the eeColor box does not have a pattern generator. You have to have a pattern generator also. Apparently a computer can do it if it has a well-behaved video card. There also seems to be talk of using a DVD of patterns, but it is unclear to be if that DVD is ready yet. I use a Lumagen Radiance.
post #320 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by erkq View Post

No, the eeColor box does not have a pattern generator. You have to have a pattern generator also. Apparently a computer can do it if it has a well-behaved video card. There also seems to be talk of using a DVD of patterns, but it is unclear to be if that DVD is ready yet. I use a Lumagen Radiance.

Hmmm... a bit tricky as I suspected. I have a decent Gateway laptop with a first-gen Core i5 with integrated graphics. It does have HDMI out. But who knows if the HDMI output is worth a damn?
post #321 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Hmmm... a bit tricky as I suspected. I have a decent Gateway laptop with a first-gen Core i5 with integrated graphics. It does have HDMI out. But who knows if the HDMI output is worth a damn?

I think there's a procedure to compare the output of your laptop to the colors on a reference BD... I think I read that back a ways. But then how you'd correct the lap top if it was wrong... I don't know. I think all you can do is test for correctness. If it's wrong, there's currently not a solution unless you use some other product on the laptop to correct its output... calibrate the laptop. Then you may as well simplify things and just get a pattern generator.
post #322 of 406
Thread Starter 
Check the LightSpace internal patterns vs those from a calibration disc for starters.
post #323 of 406
Thread Starter 
Ted's calibration disc specifically for LUT production will be out soon. He's nearly finished according to info received today.
post #324 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Ooooh. I'm looking for an wxcuse to drive down there..... tongue.gif

I will be firing it and LightSpace up taking my eecolor out of the loop to see how it does with a 4913 profile converted to a 9^3 LUT for 2D and 3D Blu Rays.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

I thought he was selling it to use my disk as a pattern source. lol

I am sure you know if I didn't have the Radiance Mini or 2041 for a triplet pattern source, your new Blu Ray disc would be my go to triplet pattern source for LightSpace. wink.gif
Never could get any internal pattern source to work to my satisfaction.
Non the less when I can I will be playing with your new and great calibration disc for LightSpace. Great Job !!

ss
post #325 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by erkq View Post

I think there's a procedure to compare the output of your laptop to the colors on a reference BD... I think I read that back a ways. But then how you'd correct the lap top if it was wrong... I don't know. I think all you can do is test for correctness. If it's wrong, there's currently not a solution unless you use some other product on the laptop to correct its output... calibrate the laptop. Then you may as well simplify things and just get a pattern generator.

I'm all about simple!

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Ted's calibration disc specifically for LUT production will be out soon. He's nearly finished according to info received today.

But again, this would be a disc... if I'm using this in my BD player, am I supposed to manually step through each pattern via the remote? Talk about a long calibration session!
post #326 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by erkq View Post

I think there's a procedure to compare the output of your laptop to the colors on a reference BD... I think I read that back a ways. But then how you'd correct the lap top if it was wrong... I don't know. I think all you can do is test for correctness. If it's wrong, there's currently not a solution unless you use some other product on the laptop to correct its output... calibrate the laptop. Then you may as well simplify things and just get a pattern generator.

I'm all about simple!

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Ted's calibration disc specifically for LUT production will be out soon. He's nearly finished according to info received today.

But again, this would be a disc... if I'm using this in my BD player, am I supposed to manually step through each pattern via the remote? Talk about a long calibration session!

17-Point Cube Profiling (4.913 Color Points) will require only an initial synced mouse click, for more details you can read here & here.

Sorry but CalMAN is not supported for this job using my disk becasue CalMAN don't have a fixed pattern order, it will request any RGB triplet from the whole 10/16 Million possible combinations, this makes impossible any plan for a future available disk for this job.

But I have add Patterns to check or perform a normal 1D (6-Axis CMS) + Grayscale Calibration if you like. wink.gif
post #327 of 406
I'm getting over the hurdles of doing my first LUT on an eeColor. When I'm going through optimizing the display, I'm getting WTW clipping, which goes away as soon as I bypass the eeColor processing. Is there a setting I should look for in CalMan5 to see if I did something wrong?
post #328 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by earwicker7 View Post

I'm getting over the hurdles of doing my first LUT on an eeColor. When I'm going through optimizing the display, I'm getting WTW clipping, which goes away as soon as I bypass the eeColor processing. Is there a setting I should look for in CalMan5 to see if I did something wrong?

Did you first connect the eeColor to CalMAN as a ColorBox and do a full reset? Once the input/output and 3D LUTs have been set to unity it should be just a pass through.
post #329 of 406
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by derekjsmith View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by earwicker7 View Post

I'm getting over the hurdles of doing my first LUT on an eeColor. When I'm going through optimizing the display, I'm getting WTW clipping, which goes away as soon as I bypass the eeColor processing. Is there a setting I should look for in CalMan5 to see if I did something wrong?

Did you first connect the eeColor to CalMAN as a ColorBox and do a full reset? Once the input/output and 3D LUTs have been set to unity it should be just a pass through.

Derek - does the reset function reset all 6 LUTs to Unity or only the one chosen? Strange because I should have tested this but didn't and my equipment is 1600 miles away. It'll be two weeks before I can hook up again and try the new version of 5.2 with the ee.
post #330 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Derek - does the reset function reset all 6 LUTs to Unity or only the one chosen? Strange because I should have tested this but didn't and my equipment is 1600 miles away. It'll be two weeks before I can hook up again and try the new version of 5.2 with the ee.

Good questions. I wrote the code so should remember. I will have a look when I'm on my dev computer a bit later and let you all know.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Display Calibration
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Display Calibration › eeColor Processor - CalMAN - 3D LUTs